"ICC or Beloff Haven't Been In Touch Since the Hearing" : Salman Butt

[Saj]

Former Pakistan captain's cricketing career hangs in the balance and by Saturday he is likely to know on "what ground he is standing on".

One of three cricketers to have spot fixing charges made against him, Butt faces discredit from the game of cricket, with some reports claiming that a life ban will be issued on Saturday in Doha.

As Butt prepared to leave Pakistan for Doha, PakPassion.net spoke with the southpaw who captained Pakistan to 2 test victories in England last summer including victory over Australia in Leeds in his debut test as skipper.

"Neither my lawyer Yasin Patel or I have any prior indication of how the outcome will turn out. We'll have to wait till the 5th just like everyone else." stated Butt

The spot fixing hearing outcome was not announced after the end of the hearing as the player's lawyer(s) wanted thorough clarification on the basis of the justice's decision, resulting in a delay in the announcement and the hearing having to reconvene on 5th February. Butt added that there had been no further requests for clarification on any of his evidence or statements from justices Albie Sachs, Sharad Rao and Michael Beloff, QC.

"They (ICC or Michael Beloff QC) have not been in touch with Yasin or I regarding clarification on any statements that I have submitted or any of my evidence at the hearing" stated Butt.

Briefly interrupted by the murmurings of his son brought a reminder to me that the hearing isn't just about Salman Butt, or Asif or Amir, but also about how the hearing will impact on the families of all three cricketers and how it will affect their futures.

Butt speaking of the travel arrangements interestingly added "There is only one flight to Doha from Pakistan and that leaves in a few hours time. I guess Amir and I will be on the same flight, but I have no idea of Asif's travel arrangements".

The world of cricket waits with waited breath and Albie Sachs, Sharad Rao and Michael Beloff, QC, the justices who listened to the testimony in January will make their findings public on Saturday, although Saturday could not be the end of the prolonged matter as all three players are expected to launch an appeak to the CAS, if they are unhappy with the outcome of the hearing.

[MISBAHYOUNUSROCK]

i wish him and the 2 bowlers luck ALL THE BEST hope they get cleared but i found gulity then all should get lie bans icc need to make an example of somebody

[Toe Crusher]

the eery silence... the calm before the storm.. no clarification questions, could that be a good thing... or a BAD thing... (i.e. they already know the judgement and the backing for their case!)

[Faizan Lakhani]

Salman needs to learn some legal practices and procedures, ICC was a party in case .. hence they're not suppose to stay in touch with accused players, Michael Beloff is the Judge and he has to remain unbiased and never in any legal circumstances any judge would stay in touch with some one who is being trailed in his court.

[AZ]

not surprised, its not as if they were interested in the evidence anyway.

verdict had been decided well in advance in this kangaroo court.

[kaalakawaa]

Go to hell Salman

You could have won some of the lost hearts if you had just come clean from day 1, instead of spinning this episode as some kind of conspiracy against you and Pakistan. You could have helped save Amir career who has only been quiet because he considers you as an elder brother

I hope you and your two acquaintances are given life bans for good tomorrow and we can leave you (and many like you in future) behind us. Thank you for your services but Pakistan has alhumdulillah done better without you and others over the past many months. Go lick Mazhar shoes

[Saj]

he has to remain unbiased and never in any legal circumstances any judge would stay in touch with some one who is being trailed in his court.

I think what he was referring to is that there has been no clarification requests for evidence or statements from the hearing.

[Junior_Akmal]

Originally Posted by kaalakawaa Go to hell Salman You could have won some of the lost hearts if you had just come clean from day 1, instead of spinning this episode as some kind of conspiracy against you and Pakistan. You could have helped save Amir career who has only been quiet because he considers you as an elder brother I hope you and your two acquaintances are given life bans for good tomorrow and we can leave you (and many like you in future) behind us. Thank you for your services but Pakistan has alhumdulillah done better without you and others over the past many months. Go lick Mazhar shoes

Not a way to treat someone who has not been proven guilty yet. If he gets cleared then I guess you would be the first one swallow your own words?

[SOSami]

Sounds like Beloff wasn't in touch during the hearing either given the length of time it's taken to get a verdict.

[kaalakawaa]

Originally Posted by Junior_Akmal Not a way to treat someone who has not been proven guilty yet. If he gets cleared then I guess you would be the first one swallow your own words?

of course

[Usman]

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less about Butt. He averages 29 or something in test cricket. Whether he plays for Pakistan or not doesn't really affect him to much and he probably knew that sooner or later his below average performances would have got him kicked out of the captaincy. He comes from wealth and I'm sure he can do plenty outside cricket and that is something he knew very well when deciding to fix. Probably thought lets cash in whilst the times are good. He couldn't give a crap about anyone else - as shown by his recent comments on Afridi - all the stuff he said about unity was pretty much fake, just like him. He was quite happy to take Aamer down with him because a) Aamer was profitable to his match fixing ring and b) he couldn't care less about Pakistan and C) he couldn't care less about Aamer. Why did he make Aamer his brother? - So that he could use him for more money. Makes me sick.

[w8in_4_0402]

Absoulute Joke ICC is.

Well lets see what verdict they give our players.

Even 1 of them being able to play cricket in the near future would be a bonus.

[ZAK]

Originally Posted by harrisaslam100 is the verdict done? some1 told me theyv recieved lifebans. is that true???????

No the verdict will be given tomorrow but the most likely outcome which is being reported in the media is that Asif and Butt will get life bans whereas Amir is likely to get a 5 year ban.

[pakroyals]

Originally Posted by Saj I think what he was referring to is that there has been no clarification requests for evidence or statements from the hearing.

clarification requests ? u mst be kidding while justifying butt..

dude in US after the hearing and before the final judgment, judge & plaintiffs/accused are not even allowed to stay in the same hotel...Judge/jury is bound by law to not contact the accused/plaintiff after the hearing..

[Saj]

clarification requests ? u mst be kidding while justifying butt..

No idea what you are talking about or how you got to "justifying" Butt "

What I was referring to was that there had been no requests for clarification of evidence from the Justices.

If thats not clear then let me know.

[blinding light]

Originally Posted by pakroyals clarification requests ? u mst be kidding while justifying butt.. dude in US after the hearing and before the final judgment, judge & plaintiffs/accused are not even allowed to stay in the same hotel...Judge/jury is bound by law to not contact the accused/plaintiff after the hearing..

Einstein, this is not a COURT HEARING. Its a TRIBUNAL.


Re-evaluate your post instead of lashing out at admins like that.

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by blinding light Einstein, this is not a COURT HEARING. Its a TRIBUNAL. Re-evaluate your post instead of lashing out at admins like that.

blinding light is very :

[blinding light]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal blinding light is very :

TRD - are you surprised?

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by blinding light TRD - are you surprised?

yes!

i considered you the calm type..

maybe all this spot-fixing is getting to you..or specifically aamer will be soon forgotten...

[blinding light]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal yes! i considered you the calm type.. maybe all this spot-fixing is getting to you..or specifically aamer will be soon forgotten...

Uff brother - I may appear calm sometimes but trust me textual words cannot describe the storm that is brewing inside me atm.

I've been a great advocate of the trio's innocence, and this particular revelation feels like someone tore my heart out of my chest, pinched it to death and then threw it back at me.

OTT reaction? Maybe. But I have been hit hard. I concur.

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by blinding light Uff brother - I may appear calm sometimes but trust me textual words cannot describe the storm that is brewing inside me atm. I've been a great advocate of the trio's innocence, and this particular revelation feels like someone tore my heart out of my chest, pinched it to death and then threw it back at me. OTT reaction? Maybe. But I have been hit hard. I concur.

yes i've noticed a lot that you do did actually defend these guys, but i always wondered why?

look what these guys have done? sold there pride, sold the humility, sold their innocence away for what? paper.

no matter what the final verdict will be, the taint on these players will always be present. how could they, with such a honour to be representing your country, be shameful enough to play for pakistan again with the same love and pride?

playing for pakistan is not all about throwing a ball and hitting with a bat, its more about representing the people, the millions you represent around the world, the uniform you where, the mark you represent, is all pakistan.

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by blinding light Uff brother - I may appear calm sometimes but trust me textual words cannot describe the storm that is brewing inside me atm. I've been a great advocate of the trio's innocence, and this particular revelation feels like someone tore my heart out of my chest, pinched it to death and then threw it back at me. OTT reaction? Maybe. But I have been hit hard. I concur.

i'm sorry you feel that way, and i'm sure there's millions who feel the same, but this is what money does to people.

they sell their soul for this piece of paper.

look relax, and dont worry, there are better things to worry about. what has happened, has happened for the best.

gets rid of corrupt and fake players representing our pakistan.

[chacha kashmiri]

The more i hear about the case the more i think that whatever decision is given tomorrow or whenever they decide to enlighten us, that decision was made a long time ago, even before the initial call from mahmood to majeed.

[blinding light]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal yes i've noticed a lot that you do did actually defend these guys, but i always wondered why? look what these guys have done? sold there pride, sold the humility, sold their innocence away for what? paper. no matter what the final verdict will be, the taint on these players will always be present. how could they, with such a honour to be representing your country, be shameful enough to play for pakistan again with the same love and pride? playing for pakistan is not all about throwing a ball and hitting with a bat, its more about representing the people, the millions you represent around the world, the uniform you where, the mark you represent, is all pakistan.

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal i'm sorry you feel that way, and i'm sure there's millions who feel the same, but this is what money does to people. they sell their soul for this piece of paper. look relax, and dont worry, there are better things to worry about. what has happened, has happened for the best. gets rid of corrupt and fake players representing our pakistan.

Oh God, these 2 posts had me in tears literally.......

Thanks for writing it all out bro - must have taken time and effort..

Agree with every single word you've said - spot on!

I had a soft spot for Butt because the chance I met him, he was very respectful to me, even more friendlier to my mother. His status raised a number of notches up simply due to that. When you've met a celeb, you want them to be the perfect beings on earth - because it would further allow one to flaunt about it.. And Aamer was like a diamond in the rough with his bowling.. Its too sad, but we've got to move on.. Clap the dust off our hands and move on..

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by blinding light Oh God, these 2 posts had me in tears literally....... Thanks for writing it all out bro - must have taken time and effort.. Agree with every single word you've said - spot on! I had a soft spot for Butt because the chance I met him, he was very respectful to me, even more friendlier to my mother. His status raised a number of notches up simply due to that. When you've met a celeb, you want them to be the perfect beings on earth - because it would further allow one to flaunt about it.. And Aamer was like a diamond in the rough with his bowling.. Its too sad, but we've got to move on.. Clap the dust off our hands and move on..

@ bold part..

im sure thats not true!!

i've met a few pakistani players, wasim, shoaib, waqar, saeed anwar comes to our local mosque in the UK to give speeches, hafeez who use to train and practice at our local cricket club, but you've got to understand that these guys are humans like you and me, and will have the same temptation if something big is offered to them that involves a lot of $£..

trust me BL its for the best of pakistan cricket that guys like these are forgotten and rid of. inshallah there will be another aamer which you can admire and love, another salman butt..talent is huge in pakistan, thats not an issue, the issue is how we look after talent.

you're from lahore, you must see loads of cricketing talent coming through, im sure you go out and watch club cricket?

[blinding light]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal @ bold part.. im sure thats not true!! i've met a few pakistani players, wasim, shoaib, waqar, saeed anwar comes to our local mosque in the UK to give speeches, hafeez who use to train and practice at our local cricket club, but you've got to understand that these guys are humans like you and me, and will have the same temptation if something big is offered to them that involves a lot of $£.. trust me BL its for the best of pakistan cricket that guys like these are forgotten and rid of. inshallah there will be another aamer which you can admire and love, another salman butt..talent is huge in pakistan, thats not an issue, the issue is how we look after talent. you're from lahore, you must see loads of cricketing talent coming through, im sure you go out and watch club cricket?

IT IS!

She spoke to him for 10 minutes, and had the audacity to call him IMRAN! That was the MOST embarrassing moment of my life - although he was kind enough to laugh it off when I said "Pls dont pay attention to her, Salman bhai - she gets excited like that.."

Good times........................... oh crap

Inshallah =)

Actually, *nervous laughter* I dont. Whatever I know is from what I see and what I read. I've only seen Beaconhouse Garden Town play a match - just the basic highlights (shown on City042). It was the same branch as Salman Butt - yes the coincidence is appalling. But that was because a friend's bro was playing. He was pretty quick, got some nip and turn - I hope he makes it big, my friend says he wants to be the next Aamer. But for a 12 year old, he seemed pretty quick and got some swing, so I hope everything goes well for him.

[Cryin Out Loud]

"ICC or Beloff Haven't Been In Touch Since the Hearing" : Salman Butt

Forget ICC or Beloff, Salman Butt saab hasn't even been in touch with reality for a while now.

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by blinding light IT IS! She spoke to him for 10 minutes, and had the audacity to call him IMRAN! That was the MOST embarrassing moment of my life - although he was kind enough to laugh it off when I said "Pls dont pay attention to her, Salman bhai - she gets excited like that.." Good times........................... oh crap Inshallah =) Actually, *nervous laughter* I dont. Whatever I know is from what I see and what I read. I've only seen Beaconhouse Garden Town play a match - just the basic highlights (shown on City042). It was the same branch as Salman Butt - yes the coincidence is appalling. But that was because a friend's bro was playing. He was pretty quick, got some nip and turn - I hope he makes it big, my friend says he wants to be the next Aamer. But for a 12 year old, he seemed pretty quick and got some swing, so I hope everything goes well for him.

man i can see you have a soft spot for mr.butt. its sad that he's let his fans down big time, inc your mother, which is a shame.

how long ago was this? was is after the spot-fixing saga broke out or before?

that bowler seems to have his mind and heart with pakistan and its good to see he wants to be the next aamer! thats good to hear, maybe one day if he works hard enough, he may well be the next aamer

[blinding light]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal man i can see you have a soft spot for mr.butt. its sad that he's let his fans down big time, inc your mother, which is a shame. how long ago was this? was is after the spot-fixing saga broke out or before? that bowler seems to have his mind and heart with pakistan and its good to see he wants to be the next aamer! thats good to hear, maybe one day if he works hard enough, he may well be the next aamer

Now you know why

This was back in 2009, the morning after winning the T20 world cup - we met at Heathrow and I met Malik, Misbah Gul and Tanvir as well Nice bunch of guys, really

Yep he sure does. His sis gives me details of how he puts in 6-7 hours a day worth practice, his main aim is the Pak. team and all. Nice to see people STILL taking cricket seriously after the recent football fever pak. seems to be engulfed in..

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by blinding light Now you know why This was back in 2009, the morning after winning the T20 world cup - we met at Heathrow and I met Malik, Misbah Gul and Tanvir as well Nice bunch of guys, really Yep he sure does. His sis gives me details of how he puts in 6-7 hours a day worth practice, his main aim is the Pak. team and all. Nice to see people STILL taking cricket seriously after the recent football fever pak. seems to be engulfed in..

oh this is a while back then..

just imagine what his family, relatives must be thinking? all the hard work, all the 6-7 hrs practicing, all gone..for what? for nothing...

im sure he's from a middle-class family, so this should be the less reason to be accepting bribes from anyone..

[blinding light]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal oh this is a while back then.. just imagine what his family, relatives must be thinking? all the hard work, all the 6-7 hrs practicing, all gone..for what? for nothing... im sure he's from a middle-class family, so this should be the less reason to be accepting bribes from anyone..

Oh no nooo that was not Aamer, that was Saad Mushtaq (the young club level bowler) !!!

[The_Real_Deal]

Originally Posted by blinding light Oh no nooo that was not Aamer, that was Saad Mushtaq (the young club level bowler) !!!

oh lol sorry! but still these guys, aamer and butt must be doing the same amount of hard-work if not more all for nothing...

good to see saad putting in the effort, thats what you need, effort and inshallah the rewards you'll reap..

[blinding light]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Deal oh lol sorry! but still these guys, aamer and butt must be doing the same amount of hard-work if not more all for nothing... good to see saad putting in the effort, thats what you need, effort and inshallah the rewards you'll reap..

Inshallah. Hope he makes it big. Nice kid.

[pakroyals]

Originally Posted by blinding light Einstein, this is not a COURT HEARING. Its a TRIBUNAL. Re-evaluate your post instead of lashing out at admins like that.

right and you know the difference ?

Tribunal in generic sense is any institution with the authority to judge, adjudicate on, or determine claims or dispute. FYI, Any judge preciding over a court case is called the tribunal.

So its very much a court hearing but it ll take some more time for you to understand that..not everyone is einstein afterall..

[blinding light]

Originally Posted by pakroyals right and you know the difference ? Tribunal in generic sense is any institution with the authority to judge, adjudicate on, or determine claims or dispute. FYI, Any judge preciding over a court case is called the tribunal. So its very much a court hearing but it ll take some more time for you to understand that..not everyone is einstein afterall..

Dude, this is so OFF its not worth a reply. Seriously. Go take out some intro to law book and read through tribunals.