Aamir Sohail on NZ Debacle.

[saeed-sohail]

Main points.

1) Kamran was dropped due to poor keeping then why they picked him on the basis of good batting performances in domestic season.

2) Hafeez is making the same mistakes every game what is the coaching staff doing?

3) Shezad is prevented from playing his natural game.Who is stopping him from playing aggressively?

4) Razzaq is not used properly.He is batting too low.

[AZ]

kaunsa akhbar hai?

[Fireworks11]

It doesn't look like Shehzad is prevented from playing his natural game. He and Hafeez have issues facing the moving white cherry.

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by AZ kaunsa akhbar hai?

Apna Jang.

[octavian]

3. Hafeez cant play straight so it's the coaching staff fault?

Even Wasim Akram said in the Geo Super's program that he took Hafeez aside before the Canada and told him not to play across the line. In wasim's words

" Hafeez ko hazaar baar samjhaaya hai ke across the line mut khelo"

Now if he can't play to save his life, it's not anyone's fault. Sohail never blames hafeez for anything.

[Dr Khan]

Originally Posted by AZ kaunsa akhbar hai?

Rooznama Jhoot, I mean Jang

[AZ]

hahaha

interesting that they've got both Imran and Sohail writing for them.

[kingusama92]

Kamran Akmal should never have been selected for the squad.

I think the issue was that Pakistani selectors want a keeper who can bat. Our lineup is constructed in such a way that a keeper who can't bat is almost impossible to afford. In fact, it's an absolute must in the format. Thus, Kamran's batting form was given such importance.

Like I have said before - Zoni messed us up big time. We invested time on him and he ran away.

Hafeez the supposed "professor" needs to sit himself down and learn how to bat. Getting out early is fine (to an extent), but to get out in the same manner again and again is simply a sign of mental weaknesses.

I don't think anyone is stopping Shahzad from playing his natural game. He's just getting out early these days and the pressure is mounting on him. He doesn't want to get out early and is bogging himself down.

Razzaq is definitely batting too low. Should be coming in front of Afridi at the VERY LEAST. Probably should be up at 3 instead of Kamran.

[PakPrince]

Originally Posted by saeed-sohail Main points. 1) Kamran was dropped due to poor keeping then why they picked him on the basis of good batting performances in domestic season. 2) Hafeez is making the same mistakes every game what is the coaching staff doing? 3) Shezad is prevented from playing his natural game.Who is stopping him from playing aggressively? 4) Razzaq is not used properly.He is batting too low.

This (no.1) is what Ive been saying all along.

[hasanmehmoodkhan]

agree with all his points. for once he is sounding normal. hafeez is just in bad form inshallah he will regain his form

[PB]

If he was never selected for the 15..People would be crying..We want Kami..Kami bhai wapas aajao!

[Uhaymid]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 Kamran Akmal should never have been selected for the squad. I think the issue was that Pakistani selectors want a keeper who can bat. Our lineup is constructed in such a way that a keeper who can't bat is almost impossible to afford. In fact, it's an absolute must in the format. Thus, Kamran's batting form was given such importance. Like I have said before - Zoni messed us up big time. We invested time on him and he ran away. Hafeez the supposed "professor" needs to sit himself down and learn how to bat. Getting out early is fine (to an extent), but to get out in the same manner again and again is simply a sign of mental weaknesses. I don't think anyone is stopping Shahzad from playing his natural game. He's just getting out early these days and the pressure is mounting on him. He doesn't want to get out early and is bogging himself down. Razzaq is definitely batting too low. Should be coming in front of Afridi at the VERY LEAST. Probably should be up at 3 instead of Kamran.

Agree with most of it...

Razzler definitely before Afridi..in the batting line up...

Kamran Akmal was in imperious form in domestic and was hence selected in the WC squad.. no one thought he would be so abject with the gloves.. he has surprised everyone !!!! even himself !!! I doubt even he knew he could drop so many catches...



MUST make the following changes:
-- 2 wicket taking bowlers to do the opening spell when the batsmen are not settled.. (eg.. Akhtar and Gully or Riaz)
-- Razzler before Afridi in batting
-- Kamran Akmal to come towards the end of the innings to bat.. Yunus Khan to come 1 down...

[Justcrazy]

Hafeez is just not good enough. We have to accept that. He averages 20 being an opener in about 60 odd games or so. How many chances should he be given?
No other team would give so many chances. If he is there because of his bowling he should bowl 10 overs and bat lower down the order. Its pathetic to see someone failing so much yet been given chances.

[Random Aussie]

This thread is a poster child for fans of Pakistan cricket - and the ex players who comment on it.

It is the fault of the coaching staff or the captain always. Very rarely is anything the players fault, if it is the players fault then the coaches are to blame for not fixing any problems.

Not often you see people acknowledge they were just outplayed on the day or that X player is just not good enough.

Hafeez is not coached properly
Someone is restricting Shezad mentally
Kami is a joke to every cricket observer from every country
YK is mentally weak (I saw this gem this week)
Misbah is selfish
Umar Akmal is a gun it is just the coaches fault he doesn't deliver
Afridi is not good because he is batting in the wrong position/under pressure whatever. If he is batting in the wrong position that is because he should be batting at number 10.
Razzaq should be opening the bowling and the batting even though he is mediocre at best at both and where he is actually of value is exactly where he is.
Rehman should play/Ajmal should play/Rehman should play/Ajmal should play
Umar Gul is coached badly even though he has been a professional cricketer forever and shouldn't need coaching.
Shoaib is immune from criticism because he is phasst even though he costs a million runs every game.....


Something like that.....RA

[octavian]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie This thread is a poster child for fans of Pakistan cricket - and the ex players who comment on it. It is the fault of the coaching staff or the captain always. Very rarely is anything the players fault, if it is the players fault then the coaches are to blame for not fixing any problems. Not often you see people acknowledge they were just outplayed on the day or that X player is just not good enough. Hafeez is not coached properly Someone is restricting Shezad mentally Kami is a joke to every cricket observer from every country YK is mentally weak (I saw this gem this week) Misbah is selfish Umar Akmal is a gun it is just the coaches fault he doesn't deliver Afridi is not good because he is batting in the wrong position/under pressure whatever. If he is batting in the wrong position that is because he should be batting at number 10. Razzaq should be opening the bowling and the batting even though he is mediocre at best at both and where he is actually of value is exactly where he is. Rehman should play/Ajmal should play/Rehman should play/Ajmal should play Umar Gul is coached badly even though he has been a professional cricketer forever and shouldn't need coaching. Shoaib is immune from criticism because he is phasst even though he costs a million runs every game..... Something like that.....RA

you could have saved yourself a lot of energy and just typed.

Whole pakistan team is crap and no pakistani should support them or talk about them on a cricket FORUM. Go Australia!

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by octavian you could have saved yourself a lot energy and just typed. Whole pakistan is crap and no pakistani should support them or talk about them on a cricket FORUM. Go Australia!

Way to miss the point dude.....that wasn't what I was saying at all.

[octavian]

People do find faults with players RA. Just go through the threads and see what people have to say about Kamran and hafeez in general.

Now you have pretty much listed whole pakistani team in your post. Now either those players are not good enough or either people are just finding excuses for them even though they are good enough? i have no idea what your point is.

[Turbokam512]

favorites to crap in just one match..

it all happens in PP ...

[AikAlif]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Way to miss the point dude.....that wasn't what I was saying at all.

i get your point, but you practically listed the whole team.

yes, it should be the players who are faulted for their techniques, lack of discipline, etc.

but i'm positive if Hussey (and i'm not drawing a comparison between Razzaq and Hussey here) was not coming in where he can best make an impact you and all other Australians would be complaining about how he's not being utilized properly.

the problem is this: the board is completely incompetent and the consistent selection of some players is baffling. Hafeez and Kami come to mind here. The same is to be said with the batting order. Afridi has said an umpteen amount of times he is no longer a proper batsman (as if he ever was) but is a bowler. if that's the case, why doesn't he bring himself in later just before the tail and let Razzaq have a go (who keeps insisting that he's not being used properly!) these types of decisions seem to defy common sense and contradict what's being said.

i completely agree, blaming the coaches or the captain for a player's clear and apparent lack of skill and ability to play at this level is self-delusion, but your "list" didn't do much to help you make your case.

we Pakistan fans will bring in our two cents because, the truth is, we just dont understand half the decisions taken by the team, and for good reason.

[ghufran7]

Originally Posted by Turbokam512 favorites to crap in just one match.. it all happens in PP ...

lol yea i know ey, people are just so narrow minded....they should put themselves in their shoes !

[Turbokam512]

i remember the FIFA WC 2010 where England were among the favorites too.. that match against Germany where they scored first and the goal wasnot allowed changed the whole aspect of the game... they conceded 4 goals after that poor refereeing ...

in this NZ match case.. it took some very poor keeping and it changed the mindset of the players.. Pakistan have yet to make a 300 + score against a test nation this WC themselves and to chase it down is probably too much to ask from a team that looked balanced at first but more over confident till the NZ match..

NZ lost the series earlier to Pakistan and prepared well to take on their opponents ,.. Pakistan on the other hand did well in the start but those missed oppurtunities rued them in the end.. Razzaq cannot and nor can any single cricketer unless powered by miracles .. bring back and win the game from certain defeat situations .. he tried and did well at it .. brought us to a more sensible defeat .. which at one stage was too obvious even to be a 200 + runs defeat...

K Akmal has been woeful the complete tourny so far.. needs to be sent back .. maybe a fake injury or something .. and bring in a performer from the best sides ..

Taufeeq Umar is doing well .. and is a safer pair of hands than most and is also leading as a captain one of the Provincial teams...

the other immediate choice would be Umar Akmal who keeps well and is a gem of a batsman..

[kkmix]

Never take this guy seriously, he is biased.

[PakPrince]

on the contrary aamir sohail makes a lot og good points and brings home the bitter truths.

dunno why he is so npopular here on PP?

Maybe its just the way he speaks

[*syed59*]

Our players don't learn and its a fact. Imran Farhat, Yasir Hameed, Akmal, Hafeez are solid examples.

But its also that our corrupt setup can't find anyone better than these players, and sometimes neither do they want to find anyone better.

[Turbokam512]

Ok so Aamir Sohail Basically says:

Why Kamran was selected in the first place?

Why the coach cannot pinpoint same mistake made by Hafeez over again?

Why / who Ahmed Shehzad is being stopped from palying his natural game ?

Why Abdul Razzaq is not completely utilized in batting & bowling?

so basically Akmal needs to be dropped for good,
Hafeez needs to take special sessions with bowlers and coach not to repeat playing accross the line ,
Shehzad needs to be given confidence to play his natural aggressive & flambuyont game &
Razzaq needs to bowl atleast 8 overs and play at say number 5 - 6 which is unlikely as we dont usually have the luxury of wickets in hand when he comes in ..so i think they should decide on how he should be used, out of the 2 (batting & bowling) Razzaq's heavier quality is his fearless, controlled & vicious batting .. he can control the game singlehandedly with his batting .. so is it time to make him an opener / up the order say no. 3 / 4 batsman?

[Eagle_Eye]

I do take RA's points... why must it be someone else's fault!!... Players need to man up and take responsibility and stop hiding behind excuses.

Hafeez keeps getting out the same way.... he cannot see that for himself... Waqar is to blame?

[Random Aussie]

Originally Posted by AikAlif i get your point, but you practically listed the whole team.

Just to clarify here, that list was not what I think of the whole team.
It was a compilation of what I read written on here about those players. Wasn't my intention to denigrate the Pakistan team. Salaam.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie Just to clarify here, that list was not what I think of the whole team. It was a compilation of what I read written on here about those players. Wasn't my intention to denigrate the Pakistan team. Salaam.

yeah but the one about afridi batting at 10? That was almost certainly your post

[Riff]

I thought he was gonna say that its Imran Khan's fault that we lost

[Eagle_Eye]

Originally Posted by Riff I thought he was gonna say that its Imran Khan's fault that we lost

He has saved that for next loss ...

[Prince_Pathan]

Originally Posted by Random Aussie This thread is a poster child for fans of Pakistan cricket - and the ex players who comment on it. It is the fault of the coaching staff or the captain always. Very rarely is anything the players fault, if it is the players fault then the coaches are to blame for not fixing any problems. Not often you see people acknowledge they were just outplayed on the day or that X player is just not good enough. Hafeez is not coached properly Someone is restricting Shezad mentally Kami is a joke to every cricket observer from every country YK is mentally weak (I saw this gem this week) Misbah is selfish Umar Akmal is a gun it is just the coaches fault he doesn't deliver Afridi is not good because he is batting in the wrong position/under pressure whatever. If he is batting in the wrong position that is because he should be batting at number 10. Razzaq should be opening the bowling and the batting even though he is mediocre at best at both and where he is actually of value is exactly where he is. Rehman should play/Ajmal should play/Rehman should play/Ajmal should play Umar Gul is coached badly even though he has been a professional cricketer forever and shouldn't need coaching. Shoaib is immune from criticism because he is phasst even though he costs a million runs every game..... Something like that.....RA

the last bit is funny coz its kinda true...lol

[Black Zero]

Originally Posted by PakPrince on the contrary aamir sohail makes a lot og good points and brings home the bitter truths. dunno why he is so npopular here on PP? Maybe its just the way he speaks

Junaid Zia

[Wised up]

Aamer Sohail is an idiot. He would never never appreciate other team effort.

His objective is:
When we bat we should make over 350 in every game and get opposition out under 150.
If we bowl opposition should not score more 200 No matter how dead the track is and we should chase it under 35 overs..

If things go outside his desired expectations he would blame the coaching staff. OR Imran Khan for destroying the domestic cricket setup.

[Riff]

Originally Posted by Anwaar Junaid Zia

Care to elaborate?

[PakPrince]

Originally Posted by Riff Care to elaborate?

I think he means that he selected Zia during his time as chief selector. But im not praising his selecting skills am I? I am just saying that he makes good points and ppl should understand them before opening the fire on Sohail.

As for Zia, I guess the then chairman forced him. Not much else he could do right?

But still I give some credit to Sohail as he got rid o old wood and brought in many new players or recalled some other new players and some of them have been good for Pakistan. These include Gul,Hameed, Rana, Hafeez, Kamran Akmal(lol, but once upon a time he wasn't a clown), Younis Khan etc