Subcontinental Teams: Who has Played Better So Far?

[Dr Khan]

Teams from Subcontinent have failed to impress so far in the early couple of weeks of WC. India, Pakistan, SL and Bangladesh have all looked below par. The spinners have failed to make a mark and all the teams are struggling with their combination. Which team do you think will go the longest distance in this competition?

For me SL and Pakistan look better sides because their bowling attacks are more balanced. India has once again disappointed. Their bowling is a big concern. BD will be luck to quilify for QF and dont see them making any further progress.

What do you think?

[ZenBowman]

What is really surprising to me is that the spinners from subcontinent teams have not made a mark (apart from Afridi), while spinners from other teams are doing quite well...

[Afridi_Fan]

I think SL has been the best so far, even in that defeat to Pakistan they came close to us. Where as we are thrashed by NZL.

There is no need to discuss India in this thread.

[AZ]

a very good question.

I think its between us & SL, we have shown quality in both disciplines so far.

and since we beat them, I'll go for Pak

[Shaq_oneal]

BD will be out in group stages.. Ind & Pak qualify for SF,, dont see both of them beating Aus/SA.

SL looks good to me to go all the way to the finals

[Hando]

India

[kkmix]

Bangladesh without a doubt.

[asad100101]

I think Indian batting is rock solid consistently scored 300. Indian bowling can be handful on a given day if pitch conditions favor them. No team has played exceptionally well but still Indian is hot favorites on their ground. Will go for semis atleast

[ads101]

India

[cricketindiafan]

Group A has been disappointing so far. Koi to ek close game hone do udhar

Group B is where the "Box Office" has been as David Gower keeps calling it.

Jokes apart, as the OP says, all the sub continental teams are still undecided about their final combination. SL cannot seem to decide whom to play in their middle order or who their 2nd pacer and 2nd spinner should be. Pakistan too have had issues with their pacers and I have a feeling even the openers may get changed come the knock outs.

India, well quite disappointing especially Dhoni's leadership. Somehow he hasn't been his usual attacking self either with the bat, with his field placements or even the bowling combinations.

[Dr Khan]

What happened to the Spin factory in India. How come we don't see any quality spinners from them?? May be Indian PPers can elaborate.

Also I think IPL has done harm to India cricket, as we can witness. All they are producing are T20 style batsmen, with no quality fast bowler or spinner.

[james_bond]

Neither.

[w8in_4_0402]

Imran Tahir is from the Sub-Continent

[Shaq_oneal]

Originally Posted by Dr Khan What happened to the Spin factory in India. How come we don't see any quality spinners from them?? May be Indian PPers can elaborate. Also I think IPL has done harm to India cricket, as we can witness. All they are producing are T20 style batsmen, with no quality fast bowler or spinner.

I think I will have to agree with you.. the focus is shifting to containing runs than take wickets, and thats backfiring on team strategy

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by Dr Khan What happened to the Spin factory in India. How come we don't see any quality spinners from them?? May be Indian PPers can elaborate. Also I think IPL has done harm to India cricket, as we can witness. All they are producing are T20 style batsmen, with no quality fast bowler or spinner.

They are producing good batsmen, but the bowlers are definitely T20 style lafangas.

[IMMY69]

India have played on extremely flat tracks which have made their batsmen, at times, look like demons (apart from the collapse against the Saffies) but their bowling has also been woefully exposed.

Both Sri Lanka and Pakistan have played on tougher wickets. The colombo track has offered more turn then any of the Indian wickets and this wicket in Kandy has done the lot! Bounce, swong, seam and some spin too!! So although the batting has struggled at times I think both Sri Lanka and Pakistan have shown they are stronger allround teams.

Not much to choose between Sri Lanka and Pakistan only that we've beaten them so ofcourse logically Pakistan would be the better subcontinent team...

[SameerP]

Whoever voted for India is flat out lying or is delusional, We couldn't win the match against England after scoring almost 350 and lost against South africa and our batsmen gave 9 wickets for 29 runs. Pakistan's performance has been good other than the New zealand match

[cricketindiafan]

Originally Posted by Dr Khan What happened to the Spin factory in India. How come we don't see any quality spinners from them?? May be Indian PPers can elaborate. Also I think IPL has done harm to India cricket, as we can witness. All they are producing are T20 style batsmen, with no quality fast bowler or spinner.

BCCI doesn't care about developing the game. Their entire focus is on IPL and CL these days. There were plans to start a pacers cacademy at Mohali and a spinners academy at Chennai , but those remain on paper.

IPL too has played its part. Someone like Amit Mishra or even Pragyan Ojha, both good talents, haven't moved to the next level despite playing international cricket for 2-3 years. During the off season, they obviously have no motivation to work hard with easy money from IPL guarateeing a safe future.

Having said that, Ashwin looks to be a genuine talent and needs to be nurtured properly. Looks to be a lambi race ka ghoda

[Sitges]

Originally Posted by cricketindiafan Having said that, Ashwin looks to be a genuine talent and needs to be nurtured properly. Looks to be a lambi race ka ghoda

I hope you meant Ghora and not Ghada.

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by SameerP Whoever voted for India is flat out lying or is delusional, We couldn't win the match against England after scoring almost 350 and lost against South africa and our batsmen gave 9 wickets for 29 runs. Pakistan's performance has been good other than the New zealand match

Agreed, I voted for Pakistan. Despite the BCCI sponsored hype we are the underdogs here, Pak, SL, SA and Aus are the hot favorites.

[sohailmm]

We can see it in an other way also :which asian team other teams would like to avoid in QF ?
The answer for me is pretty straight forward : India .
I say this coz of the massive fear their batting order cast on the opposition .

[Bullet Drive]

Originally Posted by ZenBowman Agreed, I voted for Pakistan. Despite the BCCI sponsored hype we are the underdogs here, Pak, SL, SA and Aus are the hot favorites.

I really like your posts are you are probably the most unbiased Indian.

I still think that Aus, SA, Ind & SL are favorites with Pakistan being the dark horses.

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by Afridi_Fan I think SL has been the best so far, even in that defeat to Pakistan they came close to us. Where as we are thrashed by NZL. There is no need to discuss India in this thread.

SL came close coz of kami.

We were thrashed by the kiwis coz of kami.

Rest of the team played well

[Rizie]

SL has played well both with the bat and bowl

we only won the first 3 games because of afridi

[pak4life]

pak India and ban have all taken hammerings SL on the other have been consistently decent without being spectacular.

[ddss]

Sri Lanka, simply because they haven't been thrashed so far.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by ddss Sri Lanka, simply because they haven't been thrashed so far.

same reason..sri lanka.

[gsivak]

I think other than the game against NZ, Pak has been exceeding expectations, SL has been meeting expectation and India has definitely been under performing. I think Bangladesh has been doing well too but I don't expect them to go beyond QFs.

[md_tariq]

wrong thread

[Khan6575]

Originally Posted by md_tariq I dont understand why these polls are created. I dont think any Pakistani fan would say that Indian stadiums are better, no matter how many millions they invest in those stadiums. Eden Gargen is one of the best grounds in the world. But if I conduct the poll here between Eden Garden and the new stadium where Pakistan played NZ, I would say all Pakistan fans here would choose that Kandy stadium. Best thing is just avoid creating these kind of polls.

Your eyes or reading skills have deceived you. The poll is not about stadiums, it is about subcontinent teams performance so far in this world cup.

[md_tariq]

Originally Posted by Khan6575 Your eyes or reading skills have deceived you. The poll is not about stadiums, it is about subcontinent teams performance so far in this world cup.

dude I mistakenly wrote it in this thread. I apologize. why dont you talk about main things that mentioned in the post.

[freelance_cricketer]

So far-

Pakistan=Sri Lanka> Bangladesh > India

Honest opinion, India is the only one from this group not to have defeated a decent team. We haven't peaked yet, saving the best for the knock outs

[Gollum]

For now SL by a slight margin.

[Khan6575]

Originally Posted by md_tariq dude I mistakenly wrote it in this thread. I apologize. why dont you talk about main things that mentioned in the post.

Why don't you follow your own advise and not post on wrong threads.

As far as the OPs question goes WHO CARES the real tournament will begin on March 23, what happened in the past few games will be thrown out the window. That is what I am looking forward to, the future....... not the past.

[The Yorker]

All of the south asian teams could do better. If they don 't improve in certains aspect of their game then most of them may well be put out in the QF unless they play each other.

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by haroon_ahmed103 I really like your posts are you are probably the most unbiased Indian. I still think that Aus, SA, Ind & SL are favorites with Pakistan being the dark horses.

I don't think india belongs in that group - certainly they are very dangerous because they may bat you out of the game (almost did that vs RSA), but to be favourites you need to have a good bowling attack and good batting. In that sense I guess Pakistan is also not a favourite due to shaky batting.

Favourites: Aus, SA, SL
Dangerous: Pak, Ind
Dark horses: Nz, WI

[Abidi110]

Must be India, closely followed by SL.

[The Yorker]

India need to secure their bowling to leak less runs, Pak need to drop shezad for shafiq and umar akmal coming back in unless he feels really moody then he can be sent home. stick with riaz instead of akhtar who has run out of steam the rawalpindi express needs to be scrapped.

[Minku]

All 4 teams have massive holes to fill in their lineups..

India has a huge problem with bowling ..although I must say Zaheer Khan looks awesome..

Srilanka has a problem with their middle and lower order batting and I think that will cost them in the end...

Pakistan has a problem with Keeping, and top order and to an extent Razzaq

Bangladesh is very inconsistent ....


I think they all havent done as well as they should have.. considering they are playing in home conditions...

[Inswinging Yorker]

srilanka and India

[hasanmehmoodkhan]

Originally Posted by ZenBowman What is really surprising to me is that the spinners from subcontinent teams have not made a mark (apart from Afridi), while spinners from other teams are doing quite well...

ya agree this is very wierd as sl have some very good spinners. i guess if you count imran tahir then he he and afridi are doing good

[Ashraful_Rox]

Voted for India, honest opinion.

[riasat]

Team wise

India>SL>Pakistan>Bangladesh

Now based on performance shown compared to expected...

India did not do too much justice, should have won all their matches...

Pakistan did not do too well either, Altho it managed to defeat SL but Lanka did not field a full strength side. And loss against NZ in subcontinent conditions is just bad

SL is doing the best, they played well in almost all the matches, lost to Pak but then again did not field their best 11

Bangladesh bowling has been outstanding but batting has been below par... they won 3 matches which i guess was what most people in bangladesh hoped for. Hoping they reach the QF but cannot go further for sure...

SL>IN>PAK>BD

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by Ashraful_Rox Voted for India, honest opinion.

You must be kidding, we haven't defeated a decent side yet

[Dr Khan]

Lets cut Pakistan some slack. They are the only SC team which is not playing on home grounds, under home conditions and crowd.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer You must be kidding, we haven't defeated a decent side yet

Same as Sri Lanka. Yet people are still rating them.

In this tournament, it's not so much of a worry with your obvious flaw. It's when your strength starts failing. India's batting has looked rock solid in this world cup so far. As long as they keep putting 300+ scores, they've got a very good chance of winning really.

Pakistan the problem is they're bowling hasn't been up to scratch in places. Conceded too many against New Zealand. Our extra spinner,ajmal/Rehman hasn't looked effective. Akhtar has been on and off. Razzaq's been on and off too. I'm still not sure on these pitches, a strong bowling attack can cover over the cracks of a batting attack. But if our bowling attack isn't looking perfect, there's serious doubts we can win this.

India's batting hasn't really put a foot wrong. Their bowling has let them down.

Sri Lanka have looked ordinary in my opinion. We will see how they perform against New Zealand. Against Pakistan, their bowling was decent. But Pakistan outbowled and outbatted them that game. If it were not for our fielding, we may have won by a considerable margin.

The best batting I've seen has been by India. Best bowling I've seen has been by South Africa (who have limited teams to low scores, even their spinners seem to be performing).

[Ashraful_Rox]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer You must be kidding, we haven't defeated a decent side yet

You guys are at the top of the table. I am sure you guys will beat West Indies. Take it easy buddy, don't feel bad, maybe you guys will win it in the knockout stage if not WI, which is more sweeter.

[Inswinging Yorker]

well pak did defeat a major test side, but they also too good ass whipping from a major test team, then their batting failed miserably against a minnow side,If it was not for afridi and luck from the umpire.

Srilanka did lode to pak ,but it was not a heavy defeat, Malinga could have made a difference.

So i would still say Srilanka is tops followed by India.

[Looney]

Originally Posted by ZenBowman What is really surprising to me is that the spinners from subcontinent teams have not made a mark (apart from Afridi), while spinners from other teams are doing quite well...

i think you must have really high standards because Zaheer Khan is the third highest wicket taker

[cornered-tigers]

I think no one has impressed if you talk about overall game.
If INdian openers have flourished, Pak's openers have been abysmal, Sri Lanka has done goo din opening. Bowling wise, India has lacked wicket-taking ability, whereas Pak and Sri Lanka has looked stronger in glimpses. Bangladesh has at least shown a lot of grit and character to hang in there. Fileding wise Sri Lankans have been much better than others, so I am kind of really confused whether these teams have really done well, I think jury is still out on this!

[cornered-tigers]

India is a hype due to its batting, but, is it a world class team like the Aussies and Windies of the past, they are not a shoadow of those teams, let alone a strong team. For a team to be strong, it has to be rock solid in all departments of the game to roll over any side any day of the year, most times than not.