Islam vs Evolution

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Islam - Everything created or changed/evolved by God.

Evolution - Life evolved itself through time commencing from survival of the fittest.



So, which one you believe makes more sense?

... and why? :-D

[Geordie Ahmed]

I was gonna answer your question BUT thw Why bit put me off :-D :-D

[sajjad]

naah, we need either of two things for this thread to go on

Make it a comedy routine where we all make silly jokes and upset some of our more 'pure minded' muslims bros and sista's here

OR

God forbid actually have a knowledge based discussion on the topic...which i believe, given my time spent on posting here, we are incapable of doing.

Hence...ill just ignore this one!

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

hmmm - wonder where this idea came from

[Geordie Ahmed]

Sajjad its obvious its the latter

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

could it be from the divorce threaf? LOL

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No, I just made a remark in Razzler's 'Parents dream' thread, so this word 'Evolution' came up.


I'm for Creation, however I don't deny the process of Evolution, coz life does change and evolve with time, by the will of ALLAH s.w.t of course. But do not believe the ape to human thingy, instead the opposite, human to ape.

[Pathan007]

Entra bhai i recommend u watch this video.

http://www.islamyesterday.com/videos/science_islam.htm

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Thanks pathan007, will do definitely. :-)

[Sid]

The theory of Evolution has got to be the most widely acclaimed "scientific" theory that actually has NO SCIENTIFIC BASIS. Why do so many people (esp in the west) believe it and in turn propagate it? The theory was developed to justify White Supremacy. It borders on Fascism.

[MecnunK]

entra you argue for evo and I'll stand for Islam ;)

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Originally Posted by MecnunK entra you argue for evo and I'll stand for Islam ;)

:oD :oD :oD :oD :oD - Only if you can convince some monkeys to help me out. :oD :oD

But really not even the monkeys would be able to save my a$$ then. :oD :oD :oD

[MecnunK]

there is always Mona and Annie possibly razzler too ;)

I mean to help you out not that they are monkeys ;) I thought I better clarify since there is alot of sensitive ppl around..

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:oD :oD :oD - You just saved us with that added statement at the end. Still if the 'Team Girl' knows this, we're in BIIIIIG! trouble. :?d

However I think they are against Evolution and being fundamentalists, decided not to evolve. :oD :oD

[MecnunK]

You could have said.. they have evolved as far as evolution can go.. ;) It's a good job there is an edit option..that's all I got to say..

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Interesting coz ppl are actually now looking up to the fact that there are serious flaws in what darwin derived!!!!

[razzler]

Mecunk I will stand for Islam no matter what. I am pretty sure Annie would it for Islam too. I have never gone against Islam and don't intend to either.

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Razzler if from now on you ever get serious if someones jokes, I will beat you on your soft round pithi.


:?d

[razzler]

Entra no joking when it comes to Islam.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

i agree with razzler, refreshing to see such an attitude!!!

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Originally Posted by razzler Entra no joking when it comes to Islam.

I don't know where you get this idea from, but the Prophet S.A. used to joke as well. However he never resort to lying even when joking, always spoke the truth, but yes he joked as well. Faces like these ones --> |-S |-n :o^ aren't appreciated in Islam, should be smiling always, like these :-) |-A

[razzler]

Entra I am talking about a personal point of view. Joking is all good but when it comes to Islam then it is a big no no.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

i think society as a whole has a major problem as people seem to lack basic morals and principles - not talking about anyone here but am surprised at how things have changed and im only 19 lol

[Annie]

when it comes to evolution vs. Islam, there is really no debate...we did not evolve from monkeys (though I am seriously uncertain about bush lol).

Allah created all in the way He wanted, now science can go around determining wat it will and people can stick to the whole big bang theory, but when it comes to where did all this come from...they have no answer...because it all was created by Allah...the world, us and all living things. They are exactly as He intended them to be.

another article to better explain:

Within the past century, the theory of evolution has been taught, particularly in Western schools, as fact. While there is much controversy surrounding the conclusiveness of evolution, our response does not seek to disprove the theory nor repaint it in a faith-based light.

It should be noted that volumes have been written on the subject; they reflect a spectrum of positions including scientific skepticism of evolution to scriptural defense of it. If you are interested in the issue, we suggest that you examine it from several angles before you draw your conclusions.

Rather, our response aims to clear up areas of evolution that cannot be reconciled with the teachings of Islam, while acknowledging areas that may or may not be accurate – the Truth being known only to Allah. We hope that if our answer is found to be satisfactory, you will consider it as further proof of the soundness of the Islamic doctrine, particularly when compared with other creeds that demand “leaving the intellect at the door.”

To begin: the most important fact to bear in mind is that Allah alone controls ALL affairs. Allah is Qadeer, the Absolute Controller, of every event that has taken place, is taking place, and will take place. Nothing happens outside His will.

Nothing happens before Allah wills, nor after He wills. Nothing happens more than He wills, nor less than He wills. Nothing happens in a different manner than He wills. A snowflake does not fall in the arctic except by the will of Allah; a grain of sand does not blow across the desert except by His permission. A molecular mutation in a genetic code does not occur except by His power and control.

Allah alone causes life, and Allah alone causes death. Every living thing in the universe has been given life by Allah, and He alone is sustaining every second of its life. If a species survives better than another in a particular environment, it is because Allah allowed it to live more days, and He willed for its progeny to continue.

Allah has both a Sunna (usual way of making things happen), and He has a Qudra (ability to do anything even if it contradicts the usual order of things). He controls both cause and effect. Allah can will an effect to happen without a cause, and He can will a cause to take place but with no effect.

Regarding the former, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) once fed an entire army to its fill with a single pot of food, due to Allah’s Blessing (baraka) and not due to any perceivable cause, such as more food being added to the pot, etc. Similarly, the Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him) was thrown into an enormous fire by the wicked King Nimrod, but Allah willed for the fire to be cool for him, and thus he was not harmed. Allah removed the quality of burning from the fire, thereby overruling its effect. Both cases illustrate the Qudra of Allah, whereas water’s typical freezing at 0 degrees Celsius illustrates His Sunna, though it does so only by the will of Allah.

Allah is both transcendent and imminent in His qualities. Among the evolutionists, the role of “nature” or “natural selection” is confined to an absolutely transcendent and unconscious force that driven by an ill-defined “will to live.” It is not governed by wisdom, mercy, or justice. This is not Allah.

Furthermore, as we described the absolute control that Allah exhibits over His creation, it is impossible for Him to have started creation and then let it continue on its own. In other words, “random mutation,” if we are suggesting this as a means by which Allah might cause the origin of a new species from its cousin, is not absolutely random in that it cannot act outside the power of Allah.

In practical terms, if we take the theory of Evolution as a means by which Allah diversifies life on earth to show us His majesty and ability, then He alone, for instance, causes a nucleotide base to be deleted or added in a DNA sequence, thereby causing a frameshift mutation, which leads to the birth of a new species, which represents an evolutionary superior to its genetic predecessor, which passes on its DNA to its progeny, which results in a subsequent mutation, ad infinitum. Furthermore, Allah not only starts this process but He also sustains and directs every second of its execution and development.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

annie - day by day flaws are found in darwin's theory - infact going by his theory there is a huge gap in years which his theory is unexplained therefor it is invalid - ppl trying to turn to science in that way is wrong as science isnt facts - e.g look at the ridiculous big bang theory - there are about 10 that they say may have caused it? there is no way if such an explosion was the reason for world that everything would have turned out like it has, i mean in respect the environment and the people so is laughable really - to me it just strengthens Islam's views. It is said that the qu'uran can withstand any scientific arguments and this is correct - one particular famous case was where a a professor decided that he would analyse the qu'uran and try to fly any flaws at all and this guy had doen this before with the bible and torah and he had found flaws, he tried but his conclusion was that the qu'uran was flawless and withtood scientific challenges - This is a highly publicised case - will try to dig up a bit about his research, famous scientist - he was so astonished by what he found he actually converted to Islam!!!1

[Annie]

it's not surprising that scientific theories have their flaws...all u have to do is look at who create these theories...humans...

that is why the Quran is supreme...since it is Allah's word

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

after all einstein's theory of relativity isnt exactly correct he derived e=mc^2

but technically this aint correct - so u get nobel prizes for flawed work!!!!