Question to Indian Fans - Ind vs Pak ....or ....Ind vs Aus

[W63L35]

For the last two, three years most of the Indian fans/PPers have been bragging that Ind-Aus rivalry taking over Pak-Ind rivalry. They had been claiming that NOBODY in India is interested Pak-Ind matches anymore….as much as they are in Ind-Aus matches.

They claimed most Indian fans did not care about Ind-Pak rivalry since Indian team is much better than Pakistani team.... and only Australia is good enough for them

Can all those Indian PPers who trashed Pak-Ind rivalry, please come forward and restate their claim in the light of tomorrow's match and it’s hype … or will they stay in hiding?

Question to them would be.... which Ind-Aus "rivalry" match in the past would have beaten the hype of this Pak-Ind match? Do they still believe Aus-Ind rivalry is bigger than Pak-Ind rivalry?

Come on out.... or I have to go find your posts to pull you out?

[Dragon]

We'll be their biggest rivals after we knock them out of the world cup. They'll forget australia after that one.

[Down2Earth]

nothing beats a pakistan v india match, they can deny it all they want but from inside they know it is.

[avidlearner]

India Vs Pakistan for ODIs and India Vs Australia for Tests

(Its just my personal opinion)

[sachinrocks]

hard to tell honestly. of course against pakistan, there's always been that extra edge, but frankly india - australia matches, whether test or one-day have produced some of the most memorable cricketing moments for me. i also like watching matches played in australia - just the bounce, atmosphere, commentary etc. pak-india have played too many one-sided games or boring test matches on very flat pitches.

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by sachinrocks hard to tell honestly. of course against pakistan, there's always been that extra edge, but frankly india - australia matches, whether test or one-day have produced some of the most memorable cricketing moments for me. i also like watching matches played in australia - just the bounce, atmosphere, commentary etc. pak-india have played too many one-sided games or boring test matches on very flat pitches.

i mean, i don't know how many times i've watched sachin score his twin hundreds at sharjah. at the same time, i can tell you that i've watched his knock against pakistan in durban, many many many times.

plus when i was younger, it was exciting to wake up at 4am or 5am in the morning to watch india play australia. on purely cricketing terms, i would definitely say ind - aus. on emotional terms, maybe ind - pak has an edge. then again, i'm not a pakistan hater, so maybe my opinions are not representative.

[Krishnan]

India australia for sure these days,india pakistan earlier days.When you see changes in rivalries,one must accept it,and not deny telling that ind pak always have a history so it must be best.

The extra hype about tomorrow's match is because ind pak are playing after a long time.Just see what happens if ind-pak play every year a test and one day series like ind-aus.there will be less hype.

[PakistaniThinkTank]

Originally Posted by avidlearner India Vs Pakistan for ODIs and India Vs Australia for Tests (Its just my personal opinion)

lol , wow what a funny answer

[ZenBowman]

Ind v Pak.

Ind v Aus is good, but it is not even close to as exciting. In terms of tests, I prefer Ind v Aus, because Ind v Pak almost always ends in a boring draw.

But Ind v Pak ODI > all.

[kriskmk]

I kinda agree.. as an Indian.. I am more interested in India-Aus matches than India Pak matches..
India and pakistan haven't played as many games in the past... on the contrary, India and Australia have played each other quite often.. both in tests and ODI.

I can't speak for all Indians.. but over the years.. I have stopped caring about India-Pak matches in general because I honestly believe India has moved over to a different league compared to the Pak Team.

That is not to say that Pakistan team is weak or that they can't win tomorrow.. all I am saying is .. considering the trouble with Pakistani cricket in the recent past.. scandals, terrorist attacks.. no one wanting to play in Pakistan etc.. Pakistan cricket team does not hold much interest to us.

I've been watching cricket for over 30 years.. and have never missed an India Pak match.. and I've been watching Pak cricket team since the Zaheer Abbas days.. India Pak rivalry was at it's peak during the Miandad times.. post 2000.. it really is not on the forefront of Indians.

Originally Posted by W63L35 For the last two, three years most of the Indian fans/PPers have been bragging that Ind-Aus rivalry taking over Pak-Ind rivalry. They had been claiming that NOBODY in India is interested Pak-Ind matches anymore….as much as they are in Ind-Aus matches. They claimed most Indian fans did not care about Ind-Pak rivalry since Indian team is much better than Pakistani team.... and only Australia is good enough for them Can all those Indian PPers who trashed Pak-Ind rivalry, please come forward and restate their claim in the light of tomorrow's match and it’s hype … or will they stay in hiding? Question to them would be.... which Ind-Aus "rivalry" match in the past would have beaten the hype of this Pak-Ind match? Do they still believe Aus-Ind rivalry is bigger than Pak-Ind rivalry? Come on out.... or I have to go find your posts to pull you out?

[DesiMunda]

Ind vs Pak is bigger up north.
In the south, they hate the Aussies more

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by kriskmk I can't speak for all Indians.. but over the years.. I have stopped caring about India-Pak matches in general because I honestly believe India has moved over to a different league compared to the Pak Team.

Then why is it that we are still about 50/50 when it comes to W/L against them in the last few years?

Stop denying the magnificence of this rivalry.

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by DesiMunda Ind vs Pak is bigger up north. In the south, they hate the Aussies more :P

i don't know about "hating" aussies, but certainly i feel that there is lesser animosity toward pakistan in the southern parts of india.

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by kriskmk I can't speak for all Indians.. but over the years.. I have stopped caring about India-Pak matches in general because I honestly believe India has moved over to a different league compared to the Pak Team.

thats sort of weird considering that we haven't won the ODI world cup for the last 28 years, and pakistan has done better than us in the T20 world cup as a whole.

the IPL has given our cricket infrastructure some credibility for sure, but the quality of our cricketers hasn't gone up so much. if amir and asif were playing tomorrow, i would say that pak had the edge.

[yamibone]

Originally Posted by ZenBowman Ind v Pak. Ind v Aus is good, but it is not even close to as exciting. In terms of tests, I prefer Ind v Aus, because Ind v Pak almost always ends in a boring draw. But Ind v Pak ODI > all.

finally an indian fan speaking some sense...

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by ZenBowman Then why is it that we are still about 50/50 when it comes to W/L against them in the last few years? Stop denying the magnificence of this rivalry.

Just because there is not much energy in the rivalry anymore.. does not mean that India will always win, or that Pakistan has no chance..

Most of the rivalry is "artificial hype"... most Indians I know are excited to see India win tomorrow.. but they are not as passionate as the Pakistanis are to see their team win. A big change for this attitude is due to the fact that more and more Indians are coming in interaction with Pakistanis and are actually getting along just OK.. I guess the hatred is not as much as it used to be in the past.

Back when the Indian team was more unpredictable.. people were very passionate to see India win against Pakistan... but I believe India has done pretty good in terms of building a strong team and being somewhat consistent in their performance.... so really, even if India lose tomorrow.. no body is going to throw chappals on the Indian team. I can guarantee you that.. They'll be disappointed no doubt.. but they know they can deal with it.

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by kriskmk Just because there is not much energy in the rivalry anymore.. does not mean that India will always win, or that Pakistan has no chance.. Most of the rivalry is "artificial hype"... most Indians I know are excited to see India win tomorrow.. but they are not as passionate as the Pakistanis are to see their team win. Back when the Indian team was more unpredictable.. people were very passionate to see India win against Pakistan... but I believe India has done pretty good in terms of building a strong team and being somewhat consistent in their performance.... so really, even if India lose tomorrow.. no body is going to throw chappals on the Indian team. I can guarantee you that.. They'll be disappointed no doubt.. but they know they can deal with it.

famous last words .... i'm pretty sure that if we lose tomorrow, someone's house will get stoned!

[Krishnan]

Originally Posted by sachinrocks thats sort of weird considering that we haven't won the ODI world cup for the last 28 years, and pakistan has done better than us in the T20 world cup as a whole. the IPL has given our cricket infrastructure some credibility for sure, but the quality of our cricketers hasn't gone up so much. if amir and asif were playing tomorrow, i would say that pak had the edge.

Two things-there is no way you can judge a quality of players by T20 competitions.Only way to judge is tests and one days,and we have exceeded them in both.Yes we lost in champions trophy and beat them in asia cup,but considering all the test and odi series in the past 3 or 4 years,we lead them.No offence to pak here,they have gone through a lot of problems and still managed to come out on top lot of times but just the facts.and Going by your logic,pakistan is a better side than sa just because they won t20 world cups,but tomorrow if pak vs sa test match is played in centurion with steyn steaming we all know what would happen.

[kriskmk]

let me ask a simple question.. how many Indians here are linking their "national honor" to the outcome of this game tomorrow? My guess is not very many.

[leggie786]

Indian fans will obviously think India australia rivalry is greater. THey have to show off that it is not worth playing Pakistan. My question is, if you indian fans really think you guys are too much for Pakistan, then why not play Pakistan more and reduce the massive defeat deficit against Pak.

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by kriskmk let me ask a simple question.. how many Indians here are linking their "national honor" to the outcome of this game tomorrow? My guess is not very many.

strange. because every time i read an indian news column or watch TV online, all i can hear is ind-pak cricket match and how its a proxy war. never heard so much hype about ind-australia. i definitely think that there are many indians who HATE losing to pakistan. we may be the minority.

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by sachinrocks strange. because every time i read an indian news column or watch TV online, all i can hear is ind-pak cricket match and how its a proxy war. never heard so much hype about ind-australia. i definitely think that there are many indians who HATE losing to pakistan. we may be the minority.

but that's my point about the "artificial hype". Media may be blowing it out of proportion.. but I don't think that is the case with actual people.. See what Harsha Bhogle or Kapil Dev said..

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by leggie786 Indian fans will obviously think India australia rivalry is greater. THey have to show off that it is not worth playing Pakistan. My question is, if you indian fans really think you guys are too much for Pakistan, then why not play Pakistan more and reduce the massive defeat deficit against Pak.

thats just nonsense bro. ever since sachin made 155 in chennai, india - australia matches have produced some amazing and thrilling games. some people watch cricket because of the game, and not everyone is hyper jingoistic ... like maybe you are.

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by leggie786 Indian fans will obviously think India australia rivalry is greater. THey have to show off that it is not worth playing Pakistan. My question is, if you indian fans really think you guys are too much for Pakistan, then why not play Pakistan more and reduce the massive defeat deficit against Pak.

You are completely wrong. No Indian underestimates Pakistani team.. we are just not that interested in the whole drama behind the rivalry.

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by kriskmk but that's my point about the "artificial hype". Media may be blowing it out of proportion.. but I don't think that is the case with actual people.. See what Harsha Bhogle or Kapil Dev said..

for every harsha or kapil there's 3 other indian commentators who talk up the "war."

[DesiMunda]

Dude, I'm originally from Punjab/Delhi, and cities are gonna be shut down all over. I don't know how it is down south, but you've got to be kidding me if you don't think this semi-final isn't bigger because it is against Pakistan.

[saajidrox]

Most of you guys replies are very sensible thank god there is no bashing

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by DesiMunda Dude, I'm originally from Punjab/Delhi, and cities are gonna be shut down all over. I don't know how it is down south, but you've got to be kidding me if you don't think this semi-final isn't bigger because it is against Pakistan.

Of course it is bigger.. but not as much as people make it out to be.

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by saajidrox Most of you guys replies are very sensible thank god there is no bashing

there's also a lot of self-selection ... the very fact that we participate in a pak moderate cricket site. most indian posters on pakpassion don't represent the views of the "average" indian who goes around trolling crap sites like rediff and spewing nonsense about pakistan. so maybe we're not the right sample population!

[DesiMunda]

Originally Posted by kriskmk Of course it is bigger.. but not as much as people make it out to be.

Agreed.. The media is overhyping it.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by DesiMunda Agreed.. The media is overhyping it.

So if media was not hyping it then fans wouldn't be interested?

Keep in mind... media only sell what people buy!

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by kriskmk let me ask a simple question.. how many Indians here are linking their "national honor" to the outcome of this game tomorrow? My guess is not very many.

Intenst rivalry ...infact very intense rivalry does/can exist without tying "national honor" to it.

Have you heard of NFL, MBL, NBA etc?

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by W63L35 So if media was not hyping it then fans wouldn't be interested? Keep in mind... media only sell what people buy!

that is so far away from the truth! Media does not have a pulse on the general population.. especially in india.. media makes up whatever crap they want and dish it out for the people to consume.

[saajidrox]

Originally Posted by sachinrocks there's also a lot of self-selection ... the very fact that we participate in a pak moderate cricket site. most indian posters on pakpassion don't represent the views of the "average" indian who goes around trolling crap sites like rediff and spewing nonsense about pakistan. so maybe we're not the right sample population!

You soud the right sample and WC to PP Nice to meet you

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by ZenBowman Then why is it that we are still about 50/50 when it comes to W/L against them in the last few years? Stop denying the magnificence of this rivalry.

Brilliant reply!

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Intenst rivalry ...infact very intense rivalry does/can exist without tying "national honor" to it. Have you heard of NFL, MBL, NBA etc?

but that's my point.. most Indians (my opinion) are not over passionate about this game.. and hence are NOT tying their "national honor" to the outcome of this game.

[Amir]

I don't think anything beats a Pakistan India ODI. Either team can win and the Aus India rivalry is overplayed nowadays because Australia is no longer a strong number one (as they once were, when they were invincible) and they play each other at least 5 ODIs a year. Its all becoming tedious.

Tests, Aus Ind has the advantage but that is because Pakistan India both are so notorious for making dry wickets that crumble on day five. Both teams are probably more adaptive to such conditions than Aus and hence makes it very boring. I hope Pak Ind play each other in a test series in England....now that would be exciting.

[DesiMunda]

Originally Posted by W63L35 So if media was not hyping it then fans wouldn't be interested?

Of course they would be interested !! It's an India - Pak match !!
But it wouldn't be an all out war as the media is portraying it to be.

[amit]

ind v aus is the bigger rivalry now

ind v pak is just overhyped by the media

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by kriskmk that is so far away from the truth! Media does not have a pulse on the general population.. especially in india.. media makes up whatever crap they want and dish it out for the people to consume.

Because most people love crap. They love to read and listen to crap. Those yellow journalists, editors and owners are not as stupid as you think.

[pakistandiehardfan]

It's just the fact that PAK have always had the upper hand on India through history, in both ODI's and Tests.

they don't like to see their team get pummeled.

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by amit ind v aus is the bigger rivalry now ind v pak is just overhyped by the media

The reason for the over hype is because the media is still thinking about the past. Yes, India Pak rivalry was the biggest in the 90s... but seriously.. how many games have India-Pak played in the past decade?.. not much.. to the point that when India and Pak play. .. it is now something novel and new..

For a rivalry to be alive and thriving.. teams need to have been playing each other quite often.. (like India Aus).

The fizz is just not there anymore.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by amit ind v aus is the bigger rivalry now ind v pak is just overhyped by the media

What are you and most of other Indian fans (much more than usual) are doing here...if you do understand that the hype is media driven? Sensable people like you should not fall for media hype then!

[TheHK16]

Originally Posted by amit ind v aus is the bigger rivalry now ind v pak is just overhyped by the media

is that why aus your so called biggest rivals couldn't beet us in the recent test series

or your other so called rival saffers also couldn't beat us in a recent test series

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by kriskmk but that's my point.. most Indians (my opinion) are not over passionate about this game.. and hence are NOT tying their "national honor" to the outcome of this game.

Ok... so back to my question then....

Does the intensity of Ind-Aus rivalry bigger/stonger than Pak-Ind rivalry ....without tying "national honor" any of the two?

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by W63L35 What are you and most of other Indian fans (much more than usual) are doing here...if you do understand that the hype is media driven? Sensable people like you should not fall for media hype then!

we are not falling for the media hype.. we are just interested in seeing how you guys drive yourself crazy over this match ...
and if you are seriously interested in knowing what Indians think about India-Pak rivalry in current times.. I suggest you listen to what the Indians are saying here.

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Ok... so back to my question then.... Does the intensity of Ind-Aus rivalry bigger/stonger than Pak-Ind rivalry ....without tying "national honor" any of the two?

a definite YES. The reason why india Aus rivalry is of more interest is because of the sheer number of matches they play against each other... and because of the fact that Australia brings out the best in us.. No matter who India plays however.. the question of "national honor" is a moot point.. and has been so for the past 4 years or more. The fact that IPL is a 5 billion dollar franchise should tell you that India is just crazy about playing as much cricket as possible because it has really taken over as our favorite national pass time... the perception of tying national honor to cricket has metamorphosed into cricket being a sport that we are good at and that'll help us popularize the sport and bring in lots of money. India is not the "lonely team" that is ignored by the rest of the world.. on the contrary.. India has a tremendous amount of Influence on ICC and cricketing in general. So I think over the years Indians have started viewing cricket differently.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by kriskmk we are not falling for the media hype.. we are just interested in seeing how you guys drive yourself crazy over this match ...

You expect me or anybody to believe that? If you were just interested in "seeing", you did not have to register and start posting!

What did "we" do before internet days?

..and by the way which Australian forum your a permanent member of... since Ind-Aus rivalry is so big?

Originally Posted by kriskmk and if you are seriously interested in knowing what Indians think about India-Pak rivalry in current times.. I suggest you listen to what the Indians are saying here.

I don't have to listen.. all I have to do is ... to count the number Indian poster in this list. How many of these Indian poster went to an Australian forum and posted like crazy before your QF match?

[Amir]

we are just interested in seeing how you guys drive yourself crazy over this match

So you are not interested in the media hype, but you are interested to see our reaction to this.....um......yeah, sounds like you are sure avoiding the hype!

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by kriskmk a definite YES. The reason why india Aus rivalry is of more interest is because of the sheer number of matches they play against each other......

So tomorrow you start playing 20 matches a year vs Zimbabwe, that will become the biggest rivalry?

Originally Posted by kriskmk and because of the fact that Australia brings out the best in us...

good... then I am glad your team will not be at its best tomorrow!


Don't forget to tell me which Australian Cricket forum you regularly post on and what is your user-name!

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by W63L35 You expect me or anybody to believe that? If you were just interested in "seeing", you did not have to register and start posting!

My first post in this community was about wondering why the Paks were so over- sentimental about the game tomorrow and why they were linking it to national honor and praying so desperately.
Just because someone is interested in knowing what the buzz is about... does not mean they are responsible for creating the buzz .

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by W63L35 So tomorrow you start playing 20 matches a year vs Zimbabwe, that will become the biggest rivalry?

No.. because Zimbabwe will not bring out the best in us.. which is what I said Australia does.

and I really won't beat myself up if India loses tomorrow. If they win.. good for them.. if they lose.. oh well, maybe next time. But I guarantee you no Indian's view of the Indian team is going to change drastically. We Indians have been very pleased with our national team over the years in general

[cricketindiafan]

None, India-SL please. And hope the rivalry reaches its pinnacle at Mumbai

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by cricketindiafan None, India-SL please. And hope the rivalry reaches its pinnacle at Mumbai

now THAT I am really nervous about. If India makes it to the final.. Sri Lanka will be a very tough team to beat. Same applies to Pakistan if they make it to the finals.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by kriskmk No.. because Zimbabwe will not bring out the best in us.. which is what I said Australia does. and I really won't beat myself up if India loses tomorrow. If they win.. good for them.. if they lose.. oh well, maybe next time. But I guarantee you no Indian's view of the Indian team is going to change drastically. We Indians have been very pleased with our national team over the years in general

You must not be from places like Calcutta, Guwahati and other cities.... where fans start burning the stadiums, throwing stones, bottles, etc , and burning effigies! You must be a very rare bread in India!

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by W63L35 You must not be from places like Calcutta, Guwahati and other cities.... where fans start burning the stadiums, throwing stones, bottles, etc , and burning effigies! You must be a very rare bread in India!

No, I am not from those cities.. I am from Mumbai.. but like I said.. I am only giving my opinion and perspective..

[SameerP]

lol at Aus-Ind rivalry being equal to Pak-Ind rivarly, it's not even close. Australia knocked us out in 2003 world cup final that's a big reason for the rivalry but nowhere close to being India-Pak

[ash7]

Ind-pak encounter any time... Beating pak at any sport gives me a feel of 100 simultaneous orgasms....

[kriskmk]

For India-Pak rivalry to get the real spark again.. Pakistan has to resolve it's political/communal issues and start hosting cricket matches again. India and Pak have to play each other a lot more often. Right now they are only traditional rivals.. not current rivals in my opinion... and tradition has a funny way of disappearing or changing altogether unless kept alive.

[kkmix]

As much as Indians deny the rivalry and competition with Pakistan, it is quite evident that they pay more attention to Pakistan games, be it ODIs, Tests, or T20s.

I haven't seen my Indian friends so excited about cricket when they play against Australia or any other team.

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by saajidrox You soud the right sample and WC to PP Nice to meet you

nice to meet u too!

[SameerP]

Originally Posted by ash7 Ind-pak encounter any time... Beating pak at any sport gives me a feel of 100 simultaneous orgasms....

[avidlearner]

Originally Posted by sachinrocks i don't know about "hating" aussies, but certainly i feel that there is lesser animosity toward pakistan in the southern parts of india.

I do agree with this to certain extent, one reason for this could be unlike our northern or eastern brothers (mainly Punjab, New Delhi, Bengal and Bihar etc) we hardly have any partition created wounds to heal. But that does not mean that we are any less patriotic towards our nation than anyone else.

Also, I doubt there is any blanket Aussie hating policy in Southern India.

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by kkmix As much as Indians deny the rivalry and competition with Pakistan, it is quite evident that they pay more attention to Pakistan games, be it ODIs, Tests, or T20s. I haven't seen my Indian friends so excited about cricket when they play against Australia or any other team.

The excitement is there because it is a semi Final match of a World Cup against a traditional rival.

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by kkmix As much as Indians deny the rivalry and competition with Pakistan, it is quite evident that they pay more attention to Pakistan games, be it ODIs, Tests, or T20s. I haven't seen my Indian friends so excited about cricket when they play against Australia or any other team.

i think you're absolutely right, that this particular semifinal game has captured people's imagination more than any other game that i can remember. but the question was more general, not just about this particular game.

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by kriskmk The excitement is there because it is a semi Final match of a World Cup against a traditional rival.

There was no such hype in the quarter final, it was also a knockout game against your so called rivals. lol. And I can guarantee you that there won't be such hype for even the final.

Just admit the fact that Indian can't take Pakistan out of their mind in any way.

[sachinrocks]

btw, one thing i'm 100,000,0000% sure about is that

so many indians i know do NOT like to watch india - sri lanka games. we have played each other so many bloody times in the last few years that i cannot recall a single match. asia cup, south asia cup, south east frontodorsal area cup, underwear cup, curry cup .... whatever. its gotten ridiculous.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by kkmix As much as Indians deny the rivalry and competition with Pakistan, it is quite evident that they pay more attention to Pakistan games, be it ODIs, Tests, or T20s. I haven't seen my Indian friends so excited about cricket when they play against Australia or any other team.

Can you tell other fans who are denying this... that being honest .. in most cases is very painless! I am sure it did not hurt you!

[AfridiRagingBull]

Originally Posted by saajidrox Most of you guys replies are very sensible thank god there is no bashing

I am a new poster on PP and I must say Indian posters on this forum are always responsible and sensible. I'm actually quite surprised at the level-headed replies by most of the Indian posters compared to a few other sites where you can sense the animosity and hate between Pakistani and Indian users on the same sites. This is a top website.

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Can you tell other fans who are denying this... that being honest .. in most cases is very painless! I am sure it did not hurt you!

I am not in denial.. I am only voicing my true opinion and perspective. I obviously don't represent the entire Indian population.. so I am sure you'll find people who will disagree with me.

I am yet waiting to hear from my Indian friends here.. how many of you are linking the outcome of tomorrow's game to "national honor".

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by AfridiRagingBull I'm actually quite surprised at the level-headed replies by most of the Indian posters compared to a few other sites where you can sense the animosity and hate between Pakistani and Indian users on the same sites..

So you think..... all the Indian poster come here because they LOVE us?

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by kriskmk I am not in denial.. I am only voicing my true opinion and perspective. I obviously don't represent the entire Indian population.. so I am sure you'll find people who will disagree with me. I am yet waiting to hear from my Indian friends here.. how many of you are linking the outcome of tomorrow's game to "national honor".

its a silly question really. most sane people don't tie their sense of national honor to any one thing, let alone a cricket match. of course we are always wounded when we lose in the world cup.

but definitely losing to pakistan hits harder than losing to anyone else. no doubt about that. very few indians think otherwise.

[avidlearner]

Originally Posted by AfridiRagingBull I am a new poster on PP and I must say Indian posters on this forum are always responsible and sensible. I'm actually quite surprised at the level-headed replies by most of the Indian posters compared to a few other sites where you can sense the animosity and hate between Pakistani and Indian users on the same sites. This is a top website.

IMHO, feelings and respect are mutual (Mostly) in this forum. That's why many of us (Indians) joining here to discuss our favt sport

[praveen]

Sensible indian cricket fan would like to see india australia matches.
Average indian would always prefer india pakistan matches.

Heck, majority wins. India Pak rivalry any day.

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by sachinrocks its a silly question really. most sane people don't tie their sense of national honor to any one thing, let alone a cricket match. of course we are always wounded when we lose in the world cup. but definitely losing to pakistan hits harder than losing to anyone else. no doubt about that. very few indians think otherwise.

see that's my point.. I don't think most Indians are linking national honor to the outcome of this game.. contrary to the Pakistani fans.

[srg]

India vs Australia became as good as India vs Pak for a brief period of time i.e., since last couple of years. But, India vs Pak is always a classic

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by praveen Sensible indian cricket fan would like to see india australia matches. Average indian would always prefer india pakistan matches. Heck, majority wins. India Pak rivalry any day.

i would add to that and say that australia isn't the team it used to be. i honestly can't see myself waking up early or staying up late to watch shaun tait run in like a bull and bowl wide after wide ... or watch jason krejza bowl dollies to sehwag.

steve waugh, mark waugh, gilchrist, warne, mcgrath were all matchwinners and it meant a lot for indians to beat them and play well against such world class players. they really set the gold standard for batting, bowling and fielding ... and also played aggressive cricket. nowadays, other than ponting, and maybe hussey, australia is a mere shadow of their past. i definitely think that the india - australia rivalry will flounder.

[sachinrocks]

Originally Posted by kriskmk see that's my point.. I don't think most Indians are linking national honor to the outcome of this game.. contrary to the Pakistani fans.

go to ANY indian cricket forum and you can sense the amount of pride at stake in the game tomorrow! don't judge the reactions of indians by pakpassion posters.

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by sachinrocks i would add to that and say that australia isn't the team it used to be. i honestly can't see myself waking up early or staying up late to watch shaun tait run in like a bull and bowl wide after wide ... or watch jason krejza bowl dollies to sehwag. steve waugh, mark waugh, gilchrist, warne, mcgrath were all matchwinners and it meant a lot for indians to beat them and play well against such world class players. nowadays, other than ponting, and maybe hussey, australia is a mere shadow of their past. i definitely think that the india - australia rivalry will flounder.

I think so too.. Ponting was the best thing that happened to the Aus Cricket team.. and I am sure Indians will miss him as a captain. I am predicting Sri Lanka will take Australia's place as "current rivals" in the near future for us.

[kriskmk]

Originally Posted by sachinrocks go to ANY indian cricket forum and you can sense the amount of pride at stake in the game tomorrow! don't judge the reactions of indians by pakpassion posters.

I went to a few (indian cricket fans).. and didn't see much.... you may be right.. but I am not sure.