Imran Farhat's Stats Are Not Very Bad

[wasi90lk]

imran farhat has a batting average of 31.87 in test cricket, he played 39 tests.

he has a batting average of 30.94 in ODI cricket, he played 37 ODI games.

if you compare these stats with some other pakistani openers, you will see he is not that bad record wise.

i think he is underrated just because his father-in-law is a selector.

imran farhat's profile: http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...yer/40582.html.

[hamzie]

Oh dear God........what have you done

you are about to be ripped

[Liverpool_Faizan]

haha

u do have a point

i think its just because this guy has been in and out of the team since 2001 that people are pissed. u think in 10 years of cricket he would have improved.

he also gets more stick than others thanks to susar.

[ads101]

exactly.

Not to mention he delivered that matchwinning knock under pressure in the second innings, helping us to a first test win against Australia in ages.

The guy deserved the international chances he got because he was and is one of the best domestic openers on the circuit, as well as performing internationally to a certain extent that the lack of good quality opener meant that he was always in contention.

Shouldn't be in the team now, but people shouldn't begrudge the chances he had. I mean after all his batting partner Salman Butt had an even lower average than he did.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

OP - I'll be thankful if you can take him in Bangladeshi line up. You probably need Farhat more than us.

[wasi90lk]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada OP - I'll be thankful if you can take him in Bangladeshi line up. You probably need Farhat more than us.

bangladesh need hitters in the middle order, top order is fine.

i was just saying, farhat's record is not very bad for a pakistani opener.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by wasi90lk bangladesh need hitters in the middle order, top order is fine. i was just saying, farhat's record is not very bad for a pakistani opener.

hahaha shows your true colors. Praising a batsman but not willing to take him in your line up.

THREAD FAIL.

[salman24]

OP is correct.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by wasi90lk imran farhat has a batting average of 31.87 in test cricket, he played 39 tests. he has a batting average of 30.94 in ODI cricket, he played 37 ODI games.

Let me break down this 31.87 ave in test and 30.94 in ODIs... a little further... to OPEN YOUR EYES;

[saajidrox]

oh my god

i think he is underrated just because his father-in-law is a selector

that is the way he keeps coming back to the team i never knew that if his father in law was not a selector he will not even be close to the Pakistan A team

[ads101]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada hahaha shows your true colors. Praising a batsman but not willing to take him in your line up. THREAD FAIL.

errr that's because quite frankly Bangladesh have got better openers than we do.

[Justcrazy]

Move on mate. Farhat is just not worth.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

was waiting for W63L65 to check this thread....

where's OP lol...

[ddss]

They are pretty ordinary, and don't help our current test team. If a guy like Mohammad Yousuf can't get into our test team then we should forget Farhat.

[Down2Earth]

inshallah i will never see him play for pakistan again in my lifetime.

[Gotham Cronie]

Imran Farhat's Stats Are Not Very Bad

No they're not....but he is.

[wasi90lk]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada hahaha shows your true colors. Praising a batsman but not willing to take him in your line up. THREAD FAIL.

bangladesh need good batsmen in the middle order, farhat is not a middle order batsman. why should i want him in bangladeshi line up?

farhat had a good period with the bat a few years ago, which is why his overall record is satisfactory. according to cricinfo, he had 4 successive century partnerships as an opener. it is possible he might have lost his touch, but labeling him as talentless is a bit harsh i think.

right now, pakistan have better openers though. hafeez and ahmed shehzad should continue.

[wasi90lk]

A gifted young left-handed opener who threatened at one stage to solve Pakistan's perennial opening conundrum, Imran Farhat had a brief spell in the Pakistan side after success with the national under-19 and A sides. Farhat also evokes Saeed Anwar but only fleetingly; he bludgeons rather than times his runs. He was rather too cavalier in his early appearances in the Test arena, and was promptly discarded after the tour to New Zealand in 2000-01. However, he tightened his game and achieved much more success in the 2003-04 season. Tempering his impressive array of shots with better defensive technique, Farhat scored a deluge of runs in the home series against South Africa and New Zealand, being involved in a record four successive hundred partnerships with Yasir Hameed in the one-day internationals against New Zealand. He also notched up his first century in both Tests and ODIs during this season, and then went on to score a vital 101 in Pakistan's victory against India in the Lahore Test. But since the India series, he has fallen away. A mediocre series at home to Sri Lanka and away to Australia saw him falter, especially with the emergence of the other left-handed opener, Salman Butt. When Pakistan included only one specialist opener in the squad for the series against England in 2005 - Butt - seemingly it confirmed that Farhat, temporarily, was out of national reckoning. But as an opener in Pakistan, you are never out of national reckoning and sure enough Farhat was back for the final Test against India, where he scored a fifty. That performance saw him on the plane to Sri Lanka and an average series. But with openers becoming as rare as dinosuars in Pakistan, he was retained for the summer tour to England, where he again produced some mixed results. Despite failures in the first two Tests, a broken finger and a spate of dropped catches, he came back to score a cavalier 91 in the final, fateful Oval Test. Runs against West Indies at home were followed by a barren patch in South Africa. A first away hundred followed by a patient half-century in the Napier Test of 2009 has set him up for a long sojourn in the Test side. His ODI career has however hit roadblocks since he was dropped after an indifferent run of scores in 2006.

source: cricinfo.

[kingusama92]

W63L35's statistical genius at it again.

Just shows how useless Farhat has been. Pakistan needs to move past mediocrity.

[wasi90lk]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Let me break down this 31.87 ave in test and 30.94 in ODIs... a little further... to OPEN YOUR EYES;

good post.

[SketchE]

Originally Posted by wasi90lk source: cricinfo.

The problem is you've never seen them bat. Farhat is talentless and most of his runs come through the slip cordon. Whereas Hafeez is a flashy player and if he had more temperament he would have been averaging 40s in test cricket. In terms of talent there are very few openers that come close to Hafeez in Pakistan right now if only he applied himself. Farhat is an average player, no footwork, no shots, he can hang around and the runs come but he is so limited he will never make it at this level.

[wasi90lk]

Originally Posted by SketchE The problem is you've never seen them bat. Farhat is talentless and most of his runs come through the slip cordon. Whereas Hafeez is a flashy player and if he had more temperament he would have been averaging 40s in test cricket. In terms of talent there are very few openers that come close to Hafeez in Pakistan right now if only he applied himself. Farhat is an average player, no footwork, no shots, he can hang around and the runs come but he is so limited he will never make it at this level.

i have actually seem him bat quite a lot. i still remember his debut series against new zealand, i saw that series live. farhat was very instrumental in pakistan's test series victory against south africa, a few years ago.

he also played a good knock against australia in that headingly victory.

he is one of the worst fielders though, from pakistan.

[SketchE]

Originally Posted by wasi90lk i have actually seem him bat quite a lot. i still remember his debut series against new zealand, i saw that series live. farhat was very instrumental in pakistan's test series victory against south africa, a few years ago. he also played a good knock against australia in that headingly victory.

At no point did he look comfortable at the crease though. Hafeez looks far more comfortable. Once again you've confirmed that you've only seen Farhat bat. I suggest you watch Hafeez bat and look at the shots he plays compared to those that Farhat plays.

[UmarAkmals-fan]

hes lara part 2

[ads101]

Originally Posted by SketchE At no point did he look comfortable at the crease though. Hafeez looks far more comfortable. Once again you've confirmed that you've only seen Farhat bat. I suggest you watch Hafeez bat and look at the shots he plays compared to those that Farhat plays.

Farhat has decent technique. However in international games for some reason it goes missing. The games he's scored big, it's often when his technique is working and he's playing good. Maybe it's a mental block, I dunno. Definitely had the talent to succeed, just can't reproduce it internationally. Farhat's attributed a lot of his runs due to gritting it out there and trying to stay at the crease. Something which Hafeez probably should have done in the past instead of just relying on his huge natural talent.

Anyway I'm a supporter of Hafeez, and think we should back him now. We need to move on from Farhat.

[mastermind_quad]

what his domestic stats ??....I think there are more than 25 batsman at least in Pakistan domestic circuit who are better then him.

plz look beyond him ...last I checked on PP Sarjeel made 139 something ..bring him ..he is a decent lefty opener...

[sakss]

Allah khar........

its not about his stats..there are no words to describe how crap he is....id rathar watch ravinder jadeja bat than farhat..hope that explains it

[SketchE]

Originally Posted by ads101 Farhat has decent technique. However in international games for some reason it goes missing. The games he's scored big, it's often when his technique is working and he's playing good. Maybe it's a mental block, I dunno. Definitely had the talent to succeed, just can't reproduce it internationally. Farhat's attributed a lot of his runs due to gritting it out there and trying to stay at the crease. Something which Hafeez probably should have done in the past instead of just relying on his huge natural talent. Anyway I'm a supporter of Hafeez, and think we should back him now. We need to move on from Farhat.

Even decent I wouldn't agree with. I agree with everything else but the technique part. Farhat doesn't move his feet to begin with. Farhat plays away from the body which explains the numerous edges that go flying through slip cordon and gully. That is when Farhat tries to play his shots. When he tries to grit it out he becomes uglier than Fawad Alam.

I'm also a huge supporter of Hafeez. We need batting consultants for people like him and Umar Akmal that have the talent but not the temperament. To guide them and nurture them.

[momin97]

he barely gets past 38 usually he gets out in the 30s like taufeeq umar

[PakPrince]

what i do remember is that when he made his last test century in nz that was probably the luckiest century i have ever seen. atlest 40 runs came off edges

[PakPeace]

yh the guy is a talent he needs to be in the team, also bring back Mo Sami and kick out hafeez and gul

[AmmarAshraf]

We are happy to gift Imran Farhat to our Bangladeshi brothers. Free of cost!

[carbon11]

farhat has a horrible batting stance , horrible technique and absolutely horrible footwork.

taufeeq umar is the one who is hard done by, that guy has a proper technique, temperment and is a proper opening batsmen but wasn't allowed to develop.

hafeez is not test match material, he is limited over batsmen and i don't even reckon he is a proper opener and also not very good against spin.
he is just a flashy bits and pieces cricketer

salman butt is the only decent classy opener we have had since saeed anwar. salman butts weakness was he was poor against spinners

[sunnykhan]

People please watch him play then come on to the stats. He is an absolute waste. He don't know when to block and when to score.

[freelance_cricketer]

Not bad by current Pakistani standards actually. I think your current openers are averaging in low 20s

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by carbon11 farhat has a horrible batting stance , horrible technique and absolutely horrible footwork. taufeeq umar is the one who is hard done by, that guy has a proper technique, temperment and is a proper opening batsmen but wasn't allowed to develop. hafeez is not test match material, he is limited over batsmen and i don't even reckon he is a proper opener and also not very good against spin. he is just a flashy bits and pieces cricketer salman butt is the only decent classy opener we have had since saeed anwar. salman butts weakness was he was poor against spinners

Butt's technique was even worse than Farhat. It's just farhat didn't had the capabilty to cope with pressure.

[carbon11]

Butt's technique was even worse than Farhat

yeh right

go and look at butts record against australia

he was maturing and developing well as a test batsmen needed to improve against spin , he was only 26 yrs old.


in odi butt was excellent averaging 36+ for odi with eight hundreds and 14 fifties is commendable

[talha3]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Let me break down this 31.87 ave in test and 30.94 in ODIs... a little further... to OPEN YOUR EYES;

Very good analysis. But in trying to prove he's bad you've actually proved something else, he's amazing in pakistan.

So the moral of the story is...don't pick him until we get cricket in pakistan again (which is probably unlikely before he retires).

[talha3]

Originally Posted by sunnykhan Butt's technique was even worse than Farhat. It's just farhat didn't had the capabilty to cope with pressure.

While we're talking about technique, how would you rate Shahzaib's technique between the three?

[aby10rulz]

Farhat is a waste of space.

[Wasim_Waqar]

- Poor away record
- Predictable methods of getting out
- Poor technique
- Drops millions of catches
- Poor body language

[AmmarAshraf]

Originally Posted by Wasim_Waqar - Poor away record - Predictable methods of getting out - Poor technique - Drops millions of catches - Poor body language

But What a great ******

[Watsupdoc]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Let me break down this 31.87 ave in test and 30.94 in ODIs... a little further... to OPEN YOUR EYES;

Now compare these to some other openers, so that we can get the real picture.

[JibranAnsari]

FArhat is crap and so is hafeez. Ofcourse for different reasons, farhat ofcourse lacks talent and hafeez despite the most talented of the current pakistan batsmen is unable to use his talent.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by talha.raja Very good analysis. But in trying to prove he's bad you've actually proved something else, he's amazing in pakistan. So the moral of the story is...don't pick him until we get cricket in pakistan again (which is probably unlikely before he retires).

But if Pakistan does start playing in Pakistan tomorrow.... then what should PCB do? Pick up for home series and drop him for all the series in Eng/NZ/AUS/SAF?

What about openers who he replaces..... that would get dropped for home series to make room for him and then getting picked for the difficult pitches in Aus/NZ/Eng/SAF?

[Imran_m]

I would much rather start each inning at 0/1 and field with 10 players than have farhat in the team, thats how bad farhat is.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Watsupdoc Now compare these to some other openers, so that we can get the real picture.

See the comparison below.... what's is your point?


Imran Farhat made his test debut on Mar 8-12, 2001 and played his last test on Aug 26-29, 2010. Here are some opener's Test stats between those two dates:

1) All Openers with 200+ Test Runs between 3/7/2001 - 8/30/2010.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting


2) All Pakistani Openers with 200+ Test Runs between 3/7/2001 - 8/30/2010.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

3) All Pakistani Test Openers in Aus/NZ/SAF/ENG.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting


Imran Farhat made his ODI debut on Feb 17, 2001 and played his last ODI on Nov 5, 2010. Here are some opener's ODI stats between those two dates:

1) All Openers with 200+ ODI Runs between 2/17/2001 - 11/05/2010.
Notice the two openers above Imran Farhat and one below him. He is in a great company!
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting


2) All Pakistani ODI Openers with 200+ ODI Runs between 2/17/2001 - 11/05/2010.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting


3) All Pakistani ODI Openers in Aus/NZ/SAF/ENG.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting

[IMMY69]

I'll never forget that image of him dropping a catch at slip and then amking out to his own team mates that ball didn't carry when it clearly had!!!

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by talha.raja While we're talking about technique, how would you rate Shahzaib's technique between the three?

Well, Has Shahzaib played tests? In tests you need a solid technique. Shahzaib has never been the most technical player and I never said he has a great technique. Shahzaib has a great hand eye co ordination and a special talent. He is ideal for limited overs cricket.

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by carbon11 yeh right go and look at butts record against australia he was maturing and developing well as a test batsmen needed to improve against spin , he was only 26 yrs old. in odi butt was excellent averaging 36+ for odi with eight hundreds and 14 fifties is commendable

Record? I watch him play dude. Record has nothing to do with technique or scoring runs in Australia. He was maturing? Then quite a slow progress for him. Maturing after playing years of international cricket

And did I talk about his records? Not excellent just goood. Scoring centuries against India and Bangladesh and failing to perform against others is not we call excellent.

[zoi321]

Umar Guls got a better t20 batting average than him by 2 runs

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Imran Farhat is a decent batsman - but will never be a success!

The reason is not that he is a FTB.

He can play the moving ball relatively well. Look how many balls he faced against moving balls below!

His problem is that he easily gets out once in!

Ie he will get to 20 - having done all the hard work. Then he will play a lazy defensive or attacking shot and get out. He loses concentration at silly times.

I'm not sure that this can be coached out of you - if it can, somebody should tell him!

90% of batsmen (even very good ones) struggle up to 20. The good ones, once they get to 20 cash in. Unfortunately Farhat does not have this trait.

In England -

Lords v Aus - 24 off 48.
Leeds v Aus - 43 off 84 & 67 off 95.
Notts v Eng - 19 off 51 & 15 off 37.
Birm v Eng - 29 off 93.
Oval v Eng 11 and 33....

Below are all of his innings where he gets score below below 25 ordered by the number of balls faced.

You can see he has played the opening bowlers well (ie moving ball) really well..... ie he get in... but then gets out (loses concentration!)


20 (76)
20 (71)
23 (68)
8 (62)
23 (58)
11 (55)
24 (54)
19 (51)
20 (50)
22 (48)
24 (48)
18 (46)
20 (46)
14 (41)
7 (41)
16 (39)
9 (39)
15 (37)
18 (33)
24 (32)
14 (31)
20 (30)
22 (29)
13 (28)
18 (26)
3 (25)
22 (25)
0 (24)
1 (22)
19 (22)
12 (22)
9 (21)
6 (21)
4 (19)
1 (17)
11 (16)
5 (16)
8* (14)
5 (12)
9 (11)
1 (11)
0 (11)
4 (9)
0 (2)

[carbon11]

Scoring centuries against India and Bangladesh and failing to perform against others is not we call excellent.

and what is an average off 44+ against australia then in test matches.

and with that debacle in australia, and tour in england against australia and england.
butt looked like the most assured batsmen in testing conditions.

don't forget aussie and england openers were blown away by aamer and asif too.
alistair cook had a nightmare.

Shahzaib has a great hand eye co ordination and a special talent. He is ideal for limited overs cricket

[AmmarAshraf]

is ghar ka shair baher dhair.

Gooray bowler deekh ker hath aur paoon kanptay hain is k.


He better spend sometime with A team.

[Khan6575]

Not a good title if you are trying to justify his inclusion, by the same token I can say Zardari is not a very bad President it doesn't change the fact that he is still bad. Same goes to Farhat he might not be very bad but he still remains bad to be a international cricketer. Case closed.

[Atif]

Originally Posted by wasi90lk imran farhat has a batting average of 31.87 in test cricket, he played 39 tests. he has a batting average of 30.94 in ODI cricket, he played 37 ODI games. if you compare these stats with some other pakistani openers, you will see he is not that bad record wise. i think he is underrated just because his father-in-law is a selector. imran farhat's profile: http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...yer/40582.html.

He has been given plenty of chances and he is overated .

IMO he is not a international level class player, he should remain in the domestic scene where he belongs and not be allowed to represent Pakistan again.

[Gollum]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Let me break down this 31.87 ave in test and 30.94 in ODIs... a little further... to OPEN YOUR EYES;

i think its time for you to get a POTW....terrific post!

[saeed-sohail]

Did I read salman butt and classy opener in the same sentence?Bloke is the worst opener to play 30+ tests for Pakistan(yes worse then Ramiz raja.
Did someone say he was maturing/improving?Should I dig up his record in his last 5/10 matches?

[saeed-sohail]

Did I read salman butt and classy opener in the same sentence?Bloke is the worst opener to play 30+ tests for Pakistan(yes worse then Ramiz raja.
Did someone say he was maturing/improving?Should I dig up his record in his last 5/10 matches?

[talha3]

Originally Posted by MR__KHAN__JI Imran Farhat is a decent batsman - but will never be a success! The reason is not that he is a FTB. He can play the moving ball relatively well. Look how many balls he faced against moving balls below! His problem is that he easily gets out once in! Ie he will get to 20 - having done all the hard work. Then he will play a lazy defensive or attacking shot and get out. He loses concentration at silly times. I'm not sure that this can be coached out of you - if it can, somebody should tell him! 90% of batsmen (even very good ones) struggle up to 20. The good ones, once they get to 20 cash in. Unfortunately Farhat does not have this trait. In England - Lords v Aus - 24 off 48. Leeds v Aus - 43 off 84 & 67 off 95. Notts v Eng - 19 off 51 & 15 off 37. Birm v Eng - 29 off 93. Oval v Eng 11 and 33.... Below are all of his innings where he gets score below below 25 ordered by the number of balls faced. You can see he has played the opening bowlers well (ie moving ball) really well..... ie he get in... but then gets out (loses concentration!) 20 (76) 20 (71) 23 (68) 8 (62) 23 (58) 11 (55) 24 (54) 19 (51) 20 (50) 22 (48) 24 (48) 18 (46) 20 (46) 14 (41) 7 (41) 16 (39) 9 (39) 15 (37) 18 (33) 24 (32) 14 (31) 20 (30) 22 (29) 13 (28) 18 (26) 3 (25) 22 (25) 0 (24) 1 (22) 19 (22) 12 (22) 9 (21) 6 (21) 4 (19) 1 (17) 11 (16) 5 (16) 8* (14) 5 (12) 9 (11) 1 (11) 0 (11) 4 (9) 0 (2)

Very good point! I agree.

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by carbon11 and what is an average off 44+ against australia then in test matches. and with that debacle in australia, and tour in england against australia and england. butt looked like the most assured batsmen in testing conditions. don't forget aussie and england openers were blown away by aamer and asif too. alistair cook had a nightmare.

delete

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by carbon11 and what is an average off 44+ against australia then in test matches. and with that debacle in australia, and tour in england against australia and england. butt looked like the most assured batsmen in testing conditions. don't forget aussie and england openers were blown away by aamer and asif too. alistair cook had a nightmare.

Alistair was out of form. He didn't scored against bangladesh also. So it's pointless that he had a nightmare. It was a bad patch more than a nightmare.

7 saal mai b assured nahi hoga to kab hoga? He's playing international cricket since 2003. And yet he was just good. not great. And as I said that his progressed was so slow. Nothing exceptional at all. The boy couldn't learn how to play inswing in 7 years

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by abma2k is ghar ka shair baher dhair. Gooray bowler deekh ker hath aur paoon kanptay hain is k. He better spend sometime with A team.

So T20 is the best format to judge a player?? Epic! Keep going.

Without a consistent run no one can say like that. I think Steyn, Morkel gooray thay or Tsotsobe kaala tha

[Cosmic]

OK OP One Exchange Give Us Tamim Iqbal Take Mr. Imran Farhat

[AmmarAshraf]

Originally Posted by sunnykhan So T20 is the best format to judge a player?? Epic! Keep going. Without a consistent run no one can say like that. I think Steyn, Morkel gooray thay or Tsotsobe kaala tha

You want to include a complete newbie in team?

Let him play in A team. Let him explore his game.


Dosra Imran Nazir ban'ana hai tu include him ODIS & T20. End result Imran Nazir wala niklay ga. Wapis A team main jana koi GAAALI nahi hai.

Currently he is a SISSY player. Let him play on A tours.

Look at Watson now. He was a below average player but OZs groomed him by selecting him in A team. Now he is a complete player

Andhi Mohabbat

[Fireworks11]

Great post, W63L35. Should finally lay the matter to rest.

[iafzal]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Let me break down this 31.87 ave in test and 30.94 in ODIs... a little further... to OPEN YOUR EYES;

Brilliant. From now on we should exclude the avg of Pak players for matches played in India or Pak. There is not way we are going to play any meaningful games in those to location for next 5 years so why used them in the avg of players when comparing who is better.

I am sure Farhat's avg would be around 23 with Ind and Pak exlcuded.

And lets not start on his catching ability we know he is a Kami jnr in that.

[carbon11]

Alistair was out of form. He didn't scored against bangladesh also. So it's pointless that he had a nightmare. It was a bad patch more than a nightmare.

ok so if its pointless his failure against bangladesh and pakistan why are u after butt then. so when cook is doing bad against Bangladesh it’s called a bad patch.

7 saal mai b assured nahi hoga to kab hoga? He's playing international cricket since 2003. And yet he was just good. not great. And as I said that his progressed was so slow. Nothing exceptional at all. The boy couldn't learn how to play inswing in 7 years

what assurance, his average against aussies 44+ in test matches proves his assurance.he is more than assured against inswing and fast bowling.
Like I said before I never claimed butt as some bradman, I said since saeed anwar he has been our most decent opener showing some class when compared to the other failures in particular the opener who the topic is about farhat.
aren't you being a bit of a hypocrite at same time u are dissing butt but then championing shazaib hassan who is 100 times worse with a horrendous technique when compared to butt.

Did I read salman butt and classy opener in the same sentence?Bloke is the worst opener to play 30+ tests for Pakistan(yes worse then Ramiz raja. Did someone say he was maturing/improving?Should I dig up his record in his last 5/10 matches?

let me save you the bother

In last 10 test matches salman butt averaged 34.8 with 5 fifties and 1 hundred against aussies in hobart
These matches were down under that whole illfated tour and debacle.
And then the ill fated tour in England against australia and england, where butt was captain and under pressure and also spot fixing business

So butt was good on bowler friendly conditions in England and australia on alien pitches opening the batting, considering the mayhem going on in the background.

In odis in last 10 matches he averaged 26.6 with three fifties
Again under ill fated tour down under whole debacle of oaths and then asia cup.
Butt didn’t feature in the odis against England because he was suspended for spot fixing allegations.
If you look at his Overall odi record and not your selective record of last 10 games. butt is not only good but excellent having an average of 36+ with 2725 runs with eight hundreds and fourteen fifties in 78 matches opening the batting against the new ball is more than commendable. Considering he averages more than younis, kakmal, afridi, razzaq who have played about three times the amount of games. saeed anwar who after 247 odis averaged only 39.21


In last 10 t20’s butt averages 31.7 with 2 fifties
on the other hand afridi in his last 10 t20's a format tailor made for him averages 12.5 with zero half centuries or centuries.

Like i stated before best opener we have had since saeed anwar.

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by abma2k You want to include a complete newbie in team? Let him play in A team. Let him explore his game. Dosra Imran Nazir ban'ana hai tu include him ODIS & T20. End result Imran Nazir wala niklay ga. Wapis A team main jana koi GAAALI nahi hai. Currently he is a SISSY player. Let him play on A tours. Look at Watson now. He was a below average player but OZs groomed him by selecting him in A team. Now he is a complete player Andhi Mohabbat

I also want him to tour with A team. But the comment 'ghar k shair and bahir dahir. gooray bowlers ko dekh k hath paon kanpte hai' was not fair. And I replied to that. But u mistook it. Simply ur problem. Coz u took my post out of context.

PCB can never groom a youngster like CA did with Watson. So it's not even worth thinking about it.

At the end. Shahzaib is not a new bie now. I never supported his inclusion in tests. So what are u saying about ODIs and t20s. I seriously don't understand.

[Inswinger]

Originally Posted by sunnykhan I also want him to tour with A team. But the comment 'ghar k shair and bahir dahir. gooray bowlers ko dekh k hath paon kanpte hai' was not fair. And I replied to that. But u mistook it. Simply ur problem. Coz u took my post out of context. PCB can never groom a youngster like CA did with Watson. So it's not even worth thinking about it. At the end. Shahzaib is not a new bie now. I never supported his inclusion in tests. So what are u saying about ODIs and t20s. I seriously don't understand.

Shahzaib needs to work on his fitness and lose the triple chins. Then he should work on his batting. He's got some talent but not much.

[AmmarAshraf]

Originally Posted by sunnykhan I also want him to tour with A team. But the comment 'ghar k shair and bahir dahir. gooray bowlers ko dekh k hath paon kanpte hai' was not fair. And I replied to that. But u mistook it. Simply ur problem. Coz u took my post out of context. PCB can never groom a youngster like CA did with Watson. So it's not even worth thinking about it. At the end. Shahzaib is not a new bie now. I never supported his inclusion in tests. So what are u saying about ODIs and t20s. I seriously don't understand.

Jo sach hai woohi boloon ga

Confidence koi nahi is main.

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by carbon11 ok so if its pointless his failure against bangladesh and pakistan why are u after butt then. so when cook is doing bad against Bangladesh it’s called a bad patch. what assurance, his average against aussies 44+ in test matches proves his assurance.he is more than assured against inswing and fast bowling. Like I said before I never claimed butt as some bradman, I said since saeed anwar he has been our most decent opener showing some class when compared to the other failures in particular the opener who the topic is about farhat. aren't you being a bit of a hypocrite at same time u are dissing butt but then championing shazaib hassan who is 100 times worse with a horrendous technique when compared to butt.

You yourself gave the example of Cook. So I replied. He is simple much greater than Butt. U said Cook failed due to the testing conditions. I said, it was his bad patch and yet he scored a century in his bad patch against PAK. Did Butt scored a 100 in england in testing conditions while being in decent form? The answer is NO.

So a average against only one team can asuure u that he has no flwas in his technique? And he is not a suspect against Inswing. Watch his matches again plz.

LOL about hypocrite. Tell me one post in my entire stay on PAK PASSION to claim that Shahzaib has a decent technique. I admit that Shahzaib has a dodgy technique coz he rely on strong hand eye co-ordination. Butt has been just good, only just. And it's becoz he had ample time to prove himself. Not dropped after 2 or 3 chances And for farhat he had a better technique but was mentally a very weak player.

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Shahzaib needs to work on his fitness and lose the triple chins. Then he should work on his batting. He's got some talent but not much.

He needs to work on. I agree. But one thing I say again and again that he wasn't given a proper run and it was unfair.

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by abma2k Jo sach hai woohi boloon ga Confidence koi nahi is main.

That's your opinion. T20 is not a format to measure any one's potential or confidence. Shahzaib played T20 WC against many gooray bowlers very well. So your arguement is just your personal believe which is far from reality.

[AmmarAshraf]

Dil per no lo. Let him play on A tours.

Kyun Dosra Imran Nazir ban'an hai us ko.

There are a lot of touchy fans here

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by abma2k Dil per no lo. Let him play on A tours. Kyun Dosra Imran Nazir ban'an hai us ko. There are a lot of touchy fans here

Dil p nahi liya bhai. But fair assesment is always best. Shahzaib has no comparison with nazir. A tours p b proper chance nhi dia jata. They are retards.

[carbon11]

He is simple much greater than Butt. U said Cook failed due to the testing conditions. I said, it was his bad patch and yet he scored a century in his bad patch against PAK. Did Butt scored a 100 in england in testing conditions while being in decent form? The answer is NO.

cook had a nightmare against bangladesh and pakistan. sky- media everyone was on his back , but england did not drop him and persisted with him. gooch worked extra time with him in the nets.

forget cook every batsmen had a shocker apart from trott, and some extent prior for england and katich for australia.
and that innings from broad, but that was pakistans fault for letting that partnership happen.
watson and ponting were aamers bunny as well in england.

cook failed due to testing conditions i think u should refresh your goldfish memory and remember the overcast conditions australia was also bundled out for 88 by pakistan.
that century by cook was full of luck had more than a few close shaves, one he was dropped in slips no one went for the catch, and i remember pakistan did not take a review for an lbw when he was out.

and as for average

butt averaged 46.66 in australia (2009 tour)

he averaged 53.25 against australia and won series against australia in england for many years and was captain he made an excellent 92.

against england he was captain under pressure, inexperienced middle order, at one point he was told to play with three openers so came one down, spot fixing fiasco, and batsmen were struggling in seamer friendly conditions. apart from trott every single batsmen struggled in that series.

david gower, atherton , rameez raja etc etc were all praising butt and his captaincy and victory against australia.they were praising his batting and were stating his 92 against australia and he looked like the most decent batsmen with any sort of form in the pakistan side, so it was there to see he was maturing as a batsmen.

butt has excellent technique his weakness is not fast bowling he actually murders fast bowling and is one of the best offsided players in pakistan beautiful cutter and driver , butts weakness has been spin bowling in particular left arm spin, but he was 25 at the time a youngster and could have easily developed more.
2 test centuries against australia
a test century against england more than prove he can play inswing
i think u need to back to multan where 20 yr old butt murdered england.

and besides championing shazaib hassan, and saying farhat has better technique u can't be taken seriously.

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by carbon11 cook had a nightmare against bangladesh and pakistan. sky- media everyone was on his back , but england did not drop him and persisted with him. gooch worked extra time with him in the nets. forget cook every batsmen had a shocker apart from trott, and some extent prior for england and katich for australia. and that innings from broad, but that was pakistans fault for letting that partnership happen. watson and ponting were aamers bunny as well in england. cook failed due to testing conditions i think u should refresh your goldfish memory and remember the overcast conditions australia was also bundled out for 88 by pakistan. that century by cook was full of luck had more than a few close shaves, one he was dropped in slips no one went for the catch, and i remember pakistan did not take a review for an lbw when he was out. and as for average butt averaged 46.66 in australia (2009 tour) he averaged 53.25 against australia and won series against australia in england for many years and was captain he made an excellent 92. against england he was captain under pressure, inexperienced middle order, at one point he was told to play with three openers so came one down, spot fixing fiasco, and batsmen were struggling in seamer friendly conditions. apart from trott every single batsmen struggled in that series. david gower, atherton , rameez raja etc etc were all praising butt and his captaincy and victory against australia.they were praising his batting and were stating his 92 against australia and he looked like the most decent batsmen with any sort of form in the pakistan side, so it was there to see he was maturing as a batsmen. butt has excellent technique his weakness is not fast bowling he actually murders fast bowling and is one of the best offsided players in pakistan beautiful cutter and driver , butts weakness has been spin bowling in particular left arm spin, but he was 25 at the time a youngster and could have easily developed more. 2 test centuries against australia a test century against england more than prove he can play inswing i think u need to back to multan where 20 yr old butt murdered england. and besides championing shazaib hassan, and saying farhat has better technique u can't be taken seriously.

You have lost the plot. Bringing broad, watson, prior, hussey, ponting etc etc in this thread and butt's captaincy which has no link to this thread. And this can be taken seriously?

Butt's weakness is inswing pitched on a good length apart from spinners. Farhat had a better technique but he didn't knew how to manage his innings, cope with pressure. Overall he had many flaws with him. More than butt. His technique was better.

[Sledger]

His catching is as good as Kamran's. Nuff said.

Can't forget his commitment either - http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...d.php?t=102466

[Fireworks11]

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Yes. He has dropped many dollies.