Michael Holding's Displeasure for BCCI

[Striver]

just discussing IPL with Rameez ..... he says... he has nothing good to say about the BCCI and what they are doing to world cricket....

i assume he thinks that they are destroying it since players globally are into money.....

Rameez praises Michael Clarke for refusing to play for IPL and says hes more committed to Australia....

your thoughts

[zid60]

Hes gained alot of respect from me, Country comes first.

[BoiWonder]

"ICC is BCCI. Just drop the B and turn it around." respectt

[kkmix]

haha I know, he is right...he seems very emotional about West Indies Cricket. I feel for him.

[Badsha]

I am over the moon our players aren't playing IPL.

[kkmix]

"Thing about IPL is that you will never see it clashing with an Indian Series". He is furious.

[pakistandiehardfan]

BCCI are stupid anyway. I feel for Holding.

[Abdullah22]

Michael Holding Zindabaad!!!!!!!!!

[Striver]

well india will look for its own interests therefore, ipl will never collide with indian series

they'll burn bcci

[Statsman]

And what does he have to say about the West Indies Board?

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC "Tony it's impossible to bowl the doosra, it's a joke" "Is that arm 15%, I don't think so" With West Indies 183-7 Michael Holding started ranting about Ajmal's ability to bowl the doosra. Maybe he is being consitant but I've never heard him mention this ever before and he's commented on many matches involving Murali, Harbajhan, Saqlain etc. If he watched carefully Ajmal has a very small 'kink' in his arm even when he is bowling the off spinner. It's the job of the umpires to report or discuss any action they consider illegal not the commentators especially when their side is being spanked. He loses all credibility in my eyes.

LOL I love how opinions change so fast on this forum.

[Theo_14]

He also stated that IPL never clashes with India's International fixtures.

That's a very good point made by Holding and I completely agree with him - it's sad how ICC can allow IPL to continue over fixtures where players are needed to represent their countries, just a shame really.

Holding is having a emotional day today - he's a passionate "cricket fan" and I still remember when the tears were coming out after what Aamer chose to do, just shows he's a great character despite some PP'ers being against him today... After making comments related to Saeed Ajmal's doosra.

[KingKhanWC]

Well he hates T20 cricket full stop and refuses to commentate on it. Indians have done a favour to Pakistan for not allowing our players so it's other people problem.

[Pakistani93]

Holding is right, BCCI are simply just destroying world cricket

[Sherlock]

What he said about how the Indian players don't miss any of the Indian team games, yet everyone else is retiring or greedy for money are so true.

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by ZenBowman LOL I love how opinions change so fast on this forum.

he was wrong about that point he made, he is right about this point. sometimes you agree, sometimes you disagree, it's not hard to understand.

[Abdullah22]

Originally Posted by ZenBowman LOL I love how opinions change so fast on this forum.

SO the opinion of a single poster is equivalent to opinion of the whole forum??

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by ZenBowman LOL I love how opinions change so fast on this forum.

What are you on about? I've only just commented. lol

Everyone has their own opinions, that's how it works.

[cricketloverindia]

BCCI along with CIA, RAW and Mossad are the root of all evil in this world.

[in_cutter]

Originally Posted by kkmix "Thing about IPL is that you will never see it clashing with an Indian Series". He is furious.

Hmm never thought of this before. So true.

[StraightHit]

Everyone has their opinion. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Even if BCCiI hires him for commentary...he should reject the offer.

Those boards against the BCCI or IPL in general shouldn't give NOC's to their players. Pay the players more or start your own league. Simple as that.

[QuarterBack]

Simple solution - Implement a separate window for the IPL, players are happy, administrators are happy, fans are happy. Ergo!

[cricketloverindia]

"Ajmal's action when he bowls doosra has a little 'kink' " - Holding is crap, who cares what he says.

"BCCI is evil and they are destroying world cricket" - Holding is a sensible commentator who knows what he is saying.

[StraightHit]

Originally Posted by kkmix "Thing about IPL is that you will never see it clashing with an Indian Series". He is furious.

Of course it won't as BCCI has given the IPL a window.

This window was time off for the players before...like the players would get 2 months off..but now due to the IPL...instead of having 2 months off...they are playing league cricket.

Not so hard to understand. Holding should have deciphered this simple thing, knowing he is an expert

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by StraightHit Everyone has their opinion. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Even if BCCiI hires him for commentary...he should reject the offer. Those boards against the BCCI or IPL in general shouldn't give NOC's to their players. Pay the players more or start your own league. Simple as that.

Yeah, it is pretty straightforward. I'd much rather see Gayle and Taylor play for the West Indies, I don't even watch the IPL, I think of it as a circus.

But they are free men, and nobody can force them, it is their choice.

[cricketfanfirst]

Hi,

It seems quite ironic how some of the former players who themselves played Kerry Packer Cricket and put their personal interests above their boards are now advocating to fellow cricketers who are following the suit. The main concern at that time for the players to join the Kerry cricket circus was money and the same one is haunting the IPL now. So essentially, nothing has changed only the players have and money was and is the primary concern.

It is commendable to see few players putting their country duties first, but such are seldom in today's competitive driven world where money is a driving force.

Thanks.

[Quick Single]

What a legend.

He is what I would call a real cricket fan. Not those guys sitting in India who are going crazy over a 'DLF Maximum' or a 'Karbonn Kamal catch'. He respects good proper cricket, bowlers beating the batsmens edge, batsmen coming back to drive through the covers, this is what I call cricket.

Respect to you Mr. Holding

[PB]

Haha
"The BCCI is the ICC" - Rambo

Respects for him and Holding...

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by cricketfanfirst Hi, It seems quite ironic how some of the former players who themselves played Kerry Packer Cricket and put their personal interests above their boards are now advocating to fellow cricketers who are following the suit. The main concern at that time for the players to join the Kerry cricket circus was money and the same one is haunting the IPL now. So essentially, nothing has changed only the players have and money was and is the primary concern. It is commendable to see few players putting their country duties first, but such are seldom in today's competitive driven world where money is a driving force. Thanks.

Excellent point.

The journey towards "pyjama cricket" started with Kerry Packers World Series. If not for that, Test cricket would still be the dominant form of the game.

[ace58]

Don't understand his point. Does he want BCCI to check with the schedules of West Indians players so they can set up the tournament at a time most conveniant for them? Its an Indian league, BCCI never made any secrets about this fact.

[PB]

Originally Posted by ZenBowman Excellent point. The journey towards "pyjama cricket" started with Kerry Packers World Series. If not for that, Test cricket would still be the dominant form of the game.

Yeah blame something many years ago, to cover up for IPL...

[StraightHit]

Originally Posted by PB Haha "The BCCI is the ICC" - Rambo Respects for him and Holding...

Funny how Rambo was commenting during the last 2 IPL seasons, even though Pakistani players were not allowed.

Maybe he wasn't given a contract this year.

Hypocrisy much? ;)

UPDATE: In relation to Holdings alleged comments, does he not know that the team owners did not buy Gayle on the request of the WICB since they wanted him for the series against Pakistan. Gayle was dropped and hence he was picked...AFTER he was given NOC by WICB.

Check your facts Mr. Holding...don't worry...you are still respected as a cricketig legend

[QuarterBack]

Originally Posted by PB Yeah blame something many years ago, to cover up for IPL...

There's no need to cover up for the IPL. But fact remains the Holding himself was a rebel against his board to play for Kerry Packer for MONEY.
"World Series Cricket, brought in by Kerry Packer was great for me. I played a couple of years of Test cricket and went to University and did not intend to be a professional cricketer. I got a Sussex contract, Tony Greig was there at the time, and there was not a long of money in the game and I would not have enjoyed trudging around the county circuit for low money. I was attending University and Kerry Packer was offering a contract, and I went and played. I have not looked back, enjoyed it all. I would do the same again."

So its fine if Holding does it himself, but calls out players doing it now?! Thats like the Devil lecturing about the Bible...

[StraightHit]

^^ Haha nice find.

Everyone is a hypocrite in one way or the other.

[dps2009]

Originally Posted by QuarterBack There's no need to cover up for the IPL. But fact remains the Holding himself was a rebel against his board to play for Kerry Packer for MONEY. "World Series Cricket, brought in by Kerry Packer was great for me. I played a couple of years of Test cricket and went to University and did not intend to be a professional cricketer. I got a Sussex contract, Tony Greig was there at the time, and there was not a long of money in the game and I would not have enjoyed trudging around the county circuit for low money. I was attending University and Kerry Packer was offering a contract, and I went and played. I have not looked back, enjoyed it all. I would do the same again." So its fine if Holding does it himself, but calls out players doing it now?! Thats like the Devil lecturing about the Bible...

whoa! what a hypocrite holding is. prob just jealous that players today are making so much money on pajama cricket

[1137moiz]

It would be deliciously ironic if after the IPL a full strength Windies cream a full-strength India.

Doubt it'll happen, but one can hope. It's a fact that India always plays poorly in the aftermath of the IPL (2008: underwhelmed in Bangladesh, Pakistan & SL; 2009, underwhelmed in the T20 WC; 2010, underwhelmed in the Zimbabwe triangular tournament)

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by PB Yeah blame something many years ago, to cover up for IPL...

There is no need to cover-up for IPL, the organizers of IPL are free to do whatever they want. We do not live in a world where we must get approval for each and every action we take.

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by 1137moiz It would be deliciously ironic if after the IPL a full strength Windies cream a full-strength India. Doubt it'll happen, but one can hope. It's a fact that India always plays poorly in the aftermath of the IPL (2008: underwhelmed in Bangladesh, Pakistan & SL; 2009, underwhelmed in the T20 WC; 2010, underwhelmed in the Zimbabwe triangular tournament)

It is unlikely that a full-strength India will even go to the West Indies.

[Garuda]

Originally Posted by 1137moiz It would be deliciously ironic if after the IPL a full strength Windies cream a full-strength India. Doubt it'll happen, but one can hope. It's a fact that India always plays poorly in the aftermath of the IPL (2008: underwhelmed in Bangladesh, Pakistan & SL; 2009, underwhelmed in the T20 WC; 2010, underwhelmed in the Zimbabwe triangular tournament)

That's why the IPL was scheduled after WC this time. (Usually IPL happens when WC happened)

[shahrukh619]

oh man, look at that, everybody hates the BCCI..

[Ryankhan]

Originally Posted by pakistandiehardfan BCCI are stupid anyway. I feel for Holding.

True that. im with Holding totally

[b0wld]

Originally Posted by StraightHit Those boards against the BCCI or IPL in general shouldn't give NOC's to their players. Pay the players more or start your own league. Simple as that.

That's just plain stupid...Footballers earn more playing the league then for their country but they always put wearing the national jersey as their top priority..hell some of them even go to playing the Olympics where they only get a medal for their effort.

Cricketers are generally greedy and IPL provides them with the extra incentives as well...if this trends continues then i am afraid that in the long term international crickets will be in the shadow of IPL and thus will sound the death of professionalism in cricket

[QuarterBack]

Originally Posted by Ryankhan True that. im with Holding totally

Even when he quit on his national team to play the Kerry Packer series?!

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by b0wld That's just plain stupid...Footballers earn more playing the league then for their country but they always put wearing the national jersey as their top priority..hell some of them even go to playing the Olympics where they only get a medal for their effort.

Footballers play 95% of their matches for their clubs, and 5% for their country. Obviously during the World Cup and other major tournaments, they will play for their country.

Cricketers are generally greedy and IPL provides them with the extra incentives as well...if this trends continues then i am afraid that in the long term international crickets will be in the shadow of IPL and thus will sound the death of professionalism in cricket

Cricketers have every right to be well-paid.

[Garuda]

IPL is not signing anyone on gun point.

Ponting and clarke decided to stick to their national team and skip IPL. BCCI or IPL respected their decision and left it there. In terms of some other they choose to play IPL.

Why are we blaming IPL here. Its like saying due to US (H1B) visas we are loosing all our talents in our country instead of blaming our job market first.

[ScotRaz]

Originally Posted by cricketloverindia BCCI along with CIA, RAW and Mossad are the root of all evil in this world.

Nope, he only mentioned BCCI

[1137moiz]

It's funny how Indian posters are defending the IPL to the hilt when in the long run their team will suffer more than any other. Burnout, overexposure to crap-quality standards, overacclimatized to lousy home standards (Indian pitches/grounds aren't crappy, but the IPL certainly is), crap standard cricketers being flattered before their international debuts and brutally exposed thereafter

In fact the BCCI has done Pakistan an enormous favour by refusing to play them.

[StraightHit]

Originally Posted by b0wld That's just plain stupid...Footballers earn more playing the league then for their country but they always put wearing the national jersey as their top priority..hell some of them even go to playing the Olympics where they only get a medal for their effort. Cricketers are generally greedy and IPL provides them with the extra incentives as well...if this trends continues then i am afraid that in the long term international crickets will be in the shadow of IPL and thus will sound the death of professionalism in cricket

So...whose fault is that? The players.

Like someone above pointed out...Ricky, Clarke, Bopara, Broad..all decided against playing in the IPL to give priority to the national team.

Blame the players for not prioritizing playing for their country. The BCCI is not blackmailing them to make themselves available for the auction.

The comparison with football does not do justice since international football is played rarely between world cups.

I see cricket going in the same path in 10-15 yrs time. Test cricket will stay and an ODI world cup will be held...but bilateral ODI series between countries will be rare...like football friendlies.

[gsivak]

BCCI bashing at its best. What is the point of ranting without offering a solutions. As other poster point out Holding has put cash in front of country during his playing days, name calling today's batsmen for playing in IPL can only be termed as sour grapes.

About his point of India series clashing with IPL, even the most idiotic board would not schedule international matches that clash with a money spinning domestic ones. BCCI for all its fault is very good with finance...why would they schedule a match that way?

As for praising Clarke and Ponting...please!!! they both make a lot of money through endorsements, paid really well by their board and in general well looked after that. Despite all that Clarke has repeatedly said he is not writing of ever playing in IPL (I fully expect him to start playing towards his retirement) and Ponting tried it and hated playing under Ganguly and quit.

[freelance_cricketer]

Please send this guy some sugar! :/

What is he happy with these days??

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by Theo_14 He also stated that IPL never clashes with India's International fixtures. That's a very good point made by Holding and I completely agree with him - it's sad how ICC can allow IPL to continue over fixtures where players are needed to represent their countries, just a shame really.

That's because it is an Indian tournament that is run by the Indian cricket board. So, they fix the timings in such a manner that the Indian players can play in the tournament.

As for the other players, when their board wants them back, they have to go back and play for their country. No player contracted to their national team's board can play in the IPL without the permission of their board.

ICC does not allow contracted players to play at IPL instead of their country and nor does IPL itself.

[Garuda]

Originally Posted by 1137moiz It's funny how Indian posters are defending the IPL to the hilt when in the long run their team will suffer more than any other. Burnout, overexposure to crap-quality standards, overacclimatized to lousy home standards (Indian pitches/grounds aren't crappy, but the IPL certainly is), crap standard cricketers being flattered before their international debuts and brutally exposed thereafter In fact the BCCI has done Pakistan an enormous favour by refusing to play them.

The reasons you mentioned are true. If there is a thread opened accusing IPL for player burnout, standard of cricket, over dramatised cricket, you will find a lot of Indians will support that view too.

But that doesn't mean anything in the world of cricket can be blamed on IPL cuz its Indian. The guy who complains about IPL, if gets a contract to comment on IPL would catch the next flight.

[StraightHit]

Originally Posted by 1137moiz It's funny how Indian posters are defending the IPL to the hilt when in the long run their team will suffer more than any other. Burnout, overexposure to crap-quality standards, overacclimatized to lousy home standards (Indian pitches/grounds aren't crappy, but the IPL certainly is), crap standard cricketers being flattered before their international debuts and brutally exposed thereafter In fact the BCCI has done Pakistan an enormous favour by refusing to play them.

I don't like the IPL,...I agree that the quality is not that good... but I also don't like false accusations against anything. Blaming the BCCI is THIS case is not right.

There is a difference between defending the IPL from false accusations and quality of cricket.

You are right on the quality of cricket front. No doubt.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by QuarterBack Even when he quit on his national team to play the Kerry Packer series?!

What has happened in past has happened. I dont care about it. I care about present and in present BCCI is destroying cricket. Michael Holding said the right thing.

[gsivak]

Originally Posted by StraightHit So...whose fault is that? The players. Like someone above pointed out...Ricky, Clarke, Bopara, Broad..all decided against playing in the IPL to give priority to the national team. Blame the players for not prioritizing playing for their country. The BCCI is not blackmailing them to make themselves available for the auction. .

Ricky played in the first season, didnt like the money or the team (Don;t blame him for not wanting to be with Shah Rukh and playing under Ganguly).

Clarke - Has said will play in the future

Bopara - Played before, put his name up for the auction, didnt get picked, was later offered a contract and he turned it down to try and win a place in the test team which will in turn ensure him a better contract with the ECB.

Broad - Didn't he also put himself up for the auction?

The point is no one is actually IPL free.

[StraightHit]

^^ Agreed, just pointing out that players can opt not to partcipate for whatever reason.

Ponting just sucked at T20 in general.

M Johnson has also opted against playing until now.

Just shows that the players have the power to say no.

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by b0wld That's just plain stupid...Footballers earn more playing the league then for their country but they always put wearing the national jersey as their top priority..hell some of them even go to playing the Olympics where they only get a medal for their effort. Cricketers are generally greedy and IPL provides them with the extra incentives as well...if this trends continues then i am afraid that in the long term international crickets will be in the shadow of IPL and thus will sound the death of professionalism in cricket

That isn't true.

Tell me which team you support and I'll tell you a player who puts club before country (unless it is a big tournament like the WC or the Euros)

Most footballers retire from international football much before they retire from football altogether. So, those final years when their body can't take both forms, they prioritize their club football.

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada What has happened in past has happened. I dont care about it. I care about present and in present BCCI is destroying cricket. Michael Holding said the right thing.

Destroying cricket by running a tournament where nobody is forced to play and players get more money than ever before which actually is going to end up attracting more people to take up in general?

Or destroying cricket merely because it is BCCI holding it and not ECB or CA or PCB in which case it would be quite alright?

[1137moiz]

I do agree that generally cricketers barring those from India, Australia and England are poorly paid. However paying them billions for crap-standard cricket will only undermine the sport

From a business perspective I can't blame the BCCI for this; they're typical opportunistic businessmen. But I wish the ICC wouldn't bow to them so much; it needs to grow a backbone

[gsivak]

Originally Posted by Garuda The reasons you mentioned are true. If there is a thread opened accusing IPL for player burnout, standard of cricket, over dramatised cricket, you will find a lot of Indians will support that view too. But that doesn't mean anything in the world of cricket can be blamed on IPL cuz its Indian. The guy who complains about IPL, if gets a contract to comment on IPL would catch the next flight.

Very well said. I am not a big fan of IPL but the constant demonizing of the tournament gets on my nerves. I agree the standards are low, commentary is horrible, music is loud, cheer leaders are cheesy but to claim it is all a plot by BCCI to destroy cricket in general is very off putting.

Another argument about how players are putting money before country sounds so hypocritical. In this day and age I can't think of a profession where people don't want to maximize their earnings. Given the short earning time players have the generally extravagant lifestyle they lead, it makes sense to make some extra for the rainy days.

[QuarterBack]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada What has happened in past has happened. I dont care about it. I care about present and in present BCCI is destroying cricket. Michael Holding said the right thing.

Even when he himself, as recent as in 2007 said "Kerry Packer was great, Ill do it all over again" But modern day players?! No no no they shouldnt! Come on!

And BCCI is destroying cricket how?! Are they forcing the players to play in the IPL. Are the ones who are not doing it being penalized?! Seriously, BCCI is conducting a domestic tourney. Why should they ask all the other boards about their convenience?!

Like i said, simple solution is a separate window for the IPL,

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by 1137moiz It's funny how Indian posters are defending the IPL to the hilt when in the long run their team will suffer more than any other. Burnout, overexposure to crap-quality standards, overacclimatized to lousy home standards (Indian pitches/grounds aren't crappy, but the IPL certainly is), crap standard cricketers being flattered before their international debuts and brutally exposed thereafter In fact the BCCI has done Pakistan an enormous favour by refusing to play them.

Burn-out is the only real problem from all the negatives you stated.

All other points are rubbish.

In the long run, this will do our cricket a world of good because -

(a) Players of lower standard earning sizable sum of money would mean that more people take up cricket in the country and more kids take cricket seriously if they are good at it.

(b) Most players would be acclimatized to pressurized situations, packed crowds and also would have faced international quality bowlers and played with top coaches/es-internationals before they make it to the Indian team.

(c) There will be some semblance of transparency in selection procedure as the players who make it to the national team won't be complete unknowns and someone who is totally undeserving will not make it just on the basis of right contacts. However, it is indeed difficult to judge who is how good based on T-20 performances and the selectors will still depend on other domestic competitions to pick players.

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by 1137moiz I do agree that generally cricketers barring those from India, Australia and England are poorly paid. However paying them billions for crap-standard cricket will only undermine the sport From a business perspective I can't blame the BCCI for this; they're typical opportunistic businessmen. But I wish the ICC wouldn't bow to them so much; it needs to grow a backbone

What exactly has ICC done to bow down to BCCI?

They have allowed BCCI to hold a domestic T-20 tournament (which all boards conduct on a regular basis) and have allowed foreign players contracted to other member boards to play in them provided their board gives a no-objection-certificate.

I can not see any special favours curried out to IPL here. Many other countries have had domestic tournies where foreign players could play provided their board was okay with it.

There is no special power that ICC has given to IPL.

Yes, if they make a specialized window for IPL, that would be currying favour, but, now, there is nothing they've done for IPL that they haven't for, say, county cricket.

[PakPrince]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud Burn-out is the only real problem from all the negatives you stated. All other points are rubbish. In the long run, this will do our cricket a world of good because - (a) Players of lower standard earning sizable sum of money would mean that more people take up cricket in the country and more kids take cricket seriously if they are good at it. (b) Most players would be acclimatized to pressurized situations, packed crowds and also would have faced international quality bowlers and played with top coaches/es-internationals before they make it to the Indian team. (c) There will be some semblance of transparency in selection procedure as the players who make it to the national team won't be complete unknowns and someone who is totally undeserving will not make it just on the basis of right contacts. However, it is indeed difficult to judge who is how good based on T-20 performances and the selectors will still depend on other domestic competitions to pick players.

off topic observation -
you have username which would be gold for trolls (if you know the german meaning of the word)
when you joined pretty much right after the wc semi final i naturally thought oh my god here comes another indian to rub it in!

But you are a fantastic poster nad have good unbiased views.
Top top poster in the one or so month you have been here

[Savak]

Cricket boards could stipulate a clause in the players central contracts that they have absolutely no choice but to make themselves available for national duty whenever they are selected for the national team irrespective of the domestic competitions they play the world over.

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by Savak Cricket boards could stipulate a clause in the players central contracts that they have absolutely no choice but to make themselves available for national duty whenever they are selected for the national team irrespective of the domestic competitions they play the world over.

That is already the case, you cannot play in the IPL without a no-objection certificate from your board. The WICB could simply have not given the players an NOC.

You are asking for something that is already there.

And besides, the WICB didn't even give Gayle and Taylor central contracts.

[W63L35]

Originally Posted by Garuda IPL is not signing anyone on gun point. Ponting and clarke decided to stick to their national team and skip IPL. BCCI or IPL respected their decision and left it there. In terms of some other they choose to play IPL.

BCCI and respectful in the same sentence! Wow!

If BCCI is so respectful then why aren't SL player back in SL as desired by SL cricket board?

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud Destroying cricket by running a tournament where nobody is forced to play and players get more money than ever before which actually is going to end up attracting more people to take up in general? Or destroying cricket merely because it is BCCI holding it and not ECB or CA or PCB in which case it would be quite alright?

BCCI should look to promote cricket and make it global event. West Indies and Pakistan are playing a series which are watched by people in US. What message that series is conveying right now?...West Indies main players are playing in IPL and that may cause WI to lose the series 5-0 which would further make carribean people down....Holding was referring to that and also why IPL is not conducted during Indian tour? why only other teams should suffer from IPL..and not India?...IPL is ICC recognized tournament so world cricket schedule should be given respect and IPL should have a completely separate window.

[ZenBowman]

Originally Posted by W63L35 BCCI and respectful in the same sentence! Wow! If BCCI is so respectful then why aren't SL player back in SL as desired by SL cricket board?

Because the SL players decided not to go. BCCI is not god, they do not control the actions of individuals.

[Dr Khan]

Its wrong to blame BCCI, they are doing whats good for Indian cricket. Only if other boards would do the same. The main culprit is ICC though

[dps2009]

did'nt modi LOL at michael clarke's inflated sense of his worth to ipl. the man is not 20/20 material ,doubt he would be picked up by any team even when he is available.

i agree with QB, need a window for ipl if we are to avoid such situations, where the players want to maximise their chances for making good money for doing relatively nothing.

but yeah def increased risk of burn out in the current scenario, too much cricket for the indian national team players in ipl.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by Dr Khan Its wrong to blame BCCI, they are doing whats good for Indian cricket. Only if other boards would do the same. The main culprit is ICC though

and ICC is BCCI

[Gabbar Singh]

Holding is entitled to his opinion but its convenient that he did not have a problem with big money T20 leagues at the time of jumping into bed with Allen Stanford. Where was his moral stand then?

[cricketloverindia]

Originally Posted by WithLoveFromCanada and ICC is BCCI

Just like during the 70-90s ICC was CA/ECB? I guess no one bothered to question their supremacy then

[Atif]

Holding is spot, the only team IPL does not affect is India themselves as they do not have international games scheduled during that period.

[cricketloverindia]

Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh Holding is entitled to his opinion but its convenient that he did not have a problem with big money T20 leagues at the time of jumping into bed with Allen Stanford. Where was his moral stand then?

He is angry because he wasn't in any commentary role in the subcontinent (during World Cup or IPL) and also partly because he thinks BCCI is to blame for the weak WI team which doesnt have Pollard and Gayle. It's all BCCI's fault.

[the Great Khan]

This thread is attracting Indiana like flies on crap!! IPL is rubbish, just a moneymaking tamasha for marasi's!!

[Garuda]

Originally Posted by W63L35 BCCI and respectful in the same sentence! Wow! If BCCI is so respectful then why aren't SL player back in SL as desired by SL cricket board?

That question should go to SLCB .

They gave NOC, no they didn't, yes they did.

There are many players who play IPL for only half or even only few matches. So why can't SL players couldn't or even why this point came to picture ?

Did some board give them NOC for full IPL before??

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by W63L35 BCCI and respectful in the same sentence! Wow! If BCCI is so respectful then why aren't SL player back in SL as desired by SL cricket board?

SLCB had given the NOC till a later date and wanted the players to leave earlier than what they had promised.

Now, you have to understand that people have invested their money on the tournament and it can not run in an ad hoc manner. When franchises purchased players, they had their availability during the season in mind and the money they paid for foreign players was proportional to their availability.

You can not renege on your own statement all of a sudden and the SLCB decision was political in nature(their ministry had instructed them to do it). This could have even led to further legal difficulties.

Nobody dictated the dates to SLCB, had they given the NOC initially only till May 5th, then, their players would have stayed only till then and would have been paid differently.

[cricketloverindia]

Originally Posted by Atif Holding is spot, the only team IPL does not affect is India themselves as they do not have international games scheduled during the period.

He is spot on, but isn't that obvious? IPL is Indian Premier League for a reason. It's an Indian domestic league. Foreign players are invited to the league, whether they come or not is upto them. If they come to IPL to get that huge paycheck whilst leaving their country duties then its the fault of the player and not BCCI/IPL. They didn't force them to come to IPL.