Do we have anyone like Baba Ramdev?

[Sultanofswing]

In india, this is going to be possibly biggest moment of fight against corruption. A spiritual yoga teacher known as Baba Ramdev is going on infinite fast. He is forcing govt to bring all the black money back. i dont know if he is doing for publicity or for the country but it has create quite a stirr. he is getting too much backing from all over the country. atleast nation is coming together.

Do we have someone who just dont talk about problems but actually has guts to fight against corruption? No nation can rise to the height of glory if its citizen cant fight agaisnt corruption. i am not blaming our politician coz they are currpt like hell and as bad as indian politicians. but i am asking to our citizens, pakistanis, cant we get together and put a fight against this corruption? terrorism is just a part of whole corrupt system. Do we have someone who can do this? Imran Khan, Zaid Hamid or people like them only talk about " this can be done" or " this should be done" from their a/c office but has no guts to come out in public and do something concrete. what can be done to make our nation great?

[GOAT]

I wouldn't ram Dev. Her ears are WAY too pointy.

[Sultanofswing]

Originally Posted by GOAT I wouldn't ram Dev. Her ears are WAY too pointy.

do you want him to walk on the ramp ? or want to walk to fight against corruption?

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Well, the original fast that scared the government out of its wits was by Anna Hazare. Baba Ramdev doesn't have the stature and clean image of Hazare but has more money and followers from his yoga teaching.

Also, Hazare's fast was done for a clear purpose whereas Ramdev's demands are unfeasible. However, this is supported by Hazare which brings some credibility to the fast, also, helps Hazare's negotiations with the government in drafting the Jan Lokpal bill, which was Hazare's original demand.

With RTI (Right to Infromation) act in place, corruption scams are being exposed left, right and centre and a wide array of powerful people, from a cabinet minister to CEOs of big companies are behind the bars. However, the Jan Lokpal Bill is the law which is supposed to simplify the judicial process in high profile cases and is claimed to have the capacity to ease the process of actual convictions.

Whilst most of the informed society was behind Hazare, Ramdev's fast is viewed with a bit more skepticism.

[Mohsin]

No offence but I doubt many people will give 2 monkeys about someone starving themselves for corruption...I don't see it making any difference.

If more than a million people starving because of your corruption can't make any difference, 1 man won't (I don't know anything about this guy but still).

[GOAT]

This guy can cure AID using Yoga. I'm sorry but no, we do not have anyone like Yogi here.

edit: and Cancer. He can cure cancer.

[Sultanofswing]

either way, i think its really good move. keeping periodically pressure on govt. atleast it spreads some awareness in people.

[Mohsin]

I'm sure people are aware of corruption in india

[KingKhanWC]

Thousands of people are dying of hunger in India, one man who has a choice not to die won't make a difference.

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by Mohsin No offence but I doubt many people will give 2 monkeys about someone starving themselves for corruption...I don't see it making any difference. If more than a million people starving because of your corruption can't make any difference, 1 man won't (I don't know anything about this guy but still).

You under-estimate the powers of media in a democratic country, my friend.

Public perception is all that matters to politicians and when someone high-profile starts this kind of a fast with lots of people in all cities joining in, the government is totally shaken.

In fact, the government agreed to ALL demands of Hazaare during his fast and so scared were they of the Hazaare situation repeating that four cabinet ministers tried to persuade Ramdev to not go ahead with his plans.

However, if you make infeasible demands from the government, people know and the support you have decreases and the credibility takes a hit. There are negotiations going on between Hazaare and co and the government regarding this Jan Lokpal Bill and this fast from Ramdev is acting as a source of pressure on the government which is why most people are supportive of the fast.

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

It is not about making people aware of corruption, it is about encouraging them to speak out against it and making them angry about it.

The congress government is quite scared at the moment, because it is on the back-foot on several different fronts due to corruption allegations. This would certainly not help them just when the Hazaare business was about to go off the radar.

[Arcturus]

Police arrests Ramdev, hurls tear gas and lathicharges his supporters

[dps2009]

is ramdev affiliated with hindu right wingers ? if so i am highly suspicious of his motives. any indians posters who can shed some light?

[kashmiri_lad]

Originally Posted by dps2009 is ramdev affiliated with hindu right wingers ? if so i am highly suspicious of his motives. any indians posters who can shed some light?

No he is not affiliated with BJP or RSS..
So, my answer would be NO...

[dps2009]

Originally Posted by kashmiri_lad No he is not affiliated with BJP or RSS.. So, my answer would be NO...

thanks , although it sounds like he is an opportunist?

[The WagonWheel]

Originally Posted by dps2009 thanks , although it sounds like he is an opportunist?

Not as much as politicians. Was never a fan of Baba but what has happened today in Delhi is highly tyrannical and undemocratic. Tear gas on fasting and sleeping people - how low can you go ?

[SameerP]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud Well, the original fast that scared the government out of its wits was by Anna Hazare. Baba Ramdev doesn't have the stature and clean image of Hazare but has more money and followers from his yoga teaching. Also, Hazare's fast was done for a clear purpose whereas Ramdev's demands are unfeasible. However, this is supported by Hazare which brings some credibility to the fast, also, helps Hazare's negotiations with the government in drafting the Jan Lokpal bill, which was Hazare's original demand. With RTI (Right to Infromation) act in place, corruption scams are being exposed left, right and centre and a wide array of powerful people, from a cabinet minister to CEOs of big companies are behind the bars. However, the Jan Lokpal Bill is the law which is supposed to simplify the judicial process in high profile cases and is claimed to have the capacity to ease the process of actual convictions. Whilst most of the informed society was behind Hazare, Ramdev's fast is viewed with a bit more skepticism.

Anna Hazare>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ramdev

[AlizeeFan]

Both sides seemed to be colliding against the wall. Baba made demands from the Govt. which are not feasible and Govt., well politicians don't want to axe their own legs.

Everyone knows about the corruption in India and the fact that politicians can make any promise and never fulfill those.

Everyone talks about and blames politicians for the situation. It's become habit of people to just say the politics in gutter and we carry on with it.

People rarely fought against this. That's where the difference lies between Anna Hazare and Baba's effort. They actually tried to mobilize people and do something.

Anna Hazare's demands were feasible and his movement showed the power of people in the country. As someone said why would anyone care about someone's fast. It's not so. Today media is so active and powerful here. They bring politicians in studio and directly accuse them or put them in tough situations with questions. Add to that their constant reporting and competition among news channel has prompted them to expose things when such opportunities come their way.

Take baba's case. For last 3 days each and every private channel is showing live reports continuously for hours. Today their reach is so widespread that it's affects everyone. As we have seen recently with some elections that once you get a very bad image among the people, it's difficult for you to win and get to power.

Moreover initially baba had no support from any political party and it was mass support. Common people who come to baba's camp for yoga. They were supporting this movement. It certainly scares the Govt. That's why when baba arrived in New Delhi, 4 ministers went to welcome him and talked to him there. Later when decision of sending 4 top ministers just to welcome a baba, was criticised in media, Govt asked only 2 ministers to talk with them One minister is a top ranked leader of the ruling party and other knows baba personally.

I'm not sure if baba has any hidden motive or not. It will be clear later when we observe his more actions. But it has certainly created a turmoil here.

Political parties as usual are trying to their cards on this issue. But it hardly seems that baba would affiliate anyone with any party given his current status in India. His image is non-religious and non-political and that's why he enjoys so much support. If he tries to drift away from this then certainly he will be in loss. He has said many times that he won't contest elections and in his speeches he has avoided criticism of any side.

But baba made the demands which are very difficult to fulfill. He wants prompt action which is not possible.

No one expects a bill for black money in one day. That's not possible. Without any proper draft or proposal such changes can't be made.

Govt. can't make a promise for bringing back black money from outside to India as it depends on third party.

But it remains that you can't trust words or politicians and you'll have to fight until they actually actions for what you want.


At the end, I don't see the exact same good thing to happen as many expect from this, but certainly it starts movements and adds lot of pressure on the Govt. So much that if this continues for long time then it can bring change. Moreover this issue has become so highlighted that everyone is talking about it. People are saying about this in their home. Young people discuss about it. Most of the status updates on facebook is about corruption. Even sports and other celebraties can't stop themselves from tweeting about this only.

It's a long battle and not one day affair. We need not to be dependent on one person. If more true people come forward for this movement then it can have a long time effect.

Just watching the press conference by baba. Earlier police arrested him last night and kept him hidden from others and later moved to other town. It was said that baba won't be allowed to meet anyone today. But because everyone was talking about the democracy and actions of the Govt, criticising what they did, Govt has been forced to allow baba to do a press conference now.

[AlizeeFan]

BJP trying to put their label on the future events after seeing how congress tried to stop it.

Most important thing of such movements is to keep it as People's movement and not as a movement of a person or any party.

If anything like this starts in Pakistan, then try to keep cunning politicians away from it.

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Congress have shot themselves in he foot. Their handling of Ramdev matter has been abysmal. The way things are going, I envisage some real trouble for the government.

Kapil Sibal has been an iconic failure in PR. Ever since they roped him in as the telecom minister to defend the previous telecom minister and scamster A Raja, he has been making one guffaw after another. He doesn't understand that aggression doesn't really suit you when you're defending people who have gobbled up thousands of crores of public money.

[AlizeeFan]

The way Congress ministers are acting I'm getting the feeling that they will be loose power in next elections. Some of the leaders are just insane and bad players of politics. Time will tell us what happens next.

[StraightHit]

Will be hard to beat the Congress as they keep appeasing the minorities.

Lets see how all the scams will affect this government.

Any other PM would have resigned by now. He has no credibility left.

[NJamal]

Who cares for this Baba?

[soton]

lol @OP We seem to copy everything from movies to technology now we are trying to copy Middle east revolution the only difference is Middle east revolution was instigated by common man whereas in India it has been hijacked by corrupt and bigoted people like Ramdev .




Surely Pakistan has its share of bigoted mullahs like ramdev.It would be too naive to think he is doing it without any political motives .BJP ,RSS ,VHP and other communal forces are backing him to carry out this drama .Ramdev is corrupt to the last marrow of his bones as he himself has amassed 1100 crores in the last 6 yrs .so it is a case of pot calling kettle black .


Congress is a very corrupt party like any other political party in India but the alternative is corrupt and regressive party in BJP so Indians have chosen lesser of the two evils .
As far as Pakistan is concerned you have a good alternative in just give this guy a chance and he will put your country in right direction .

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Ramdev has amassed 1200 crores in the last decade. But, that is because he has managed to hoodwink people into donating him the money and not by any illegal means. There is a difference between the two and that has to be understood.

Also. I do not know anything to classify him as "bigoted". Someone wearing a saffron cloth doesn't automatically become radical. He has made no comments against any religion at any point of time, as far as I know.

Of course, the VHP is bigoted to its core and their support to his movement was unfortunate, but, you can not stop anyone from supporting you and the bandh was hardly communal in nature. I don't trust Ramdev, but, his movement could have helped strengthen Anna Hazaare and co and their demands and that would have been a good thing.

Congress not being able to give assurances to bring black money back is fishy business. The non-disclosure of the list that they obtained from Germany which had details of forty four accounts in banks in Liechtenstein is really shocking. Hasan Ali was caught claiming during his interrogation that he was a proxy for three former CMs and many other people. Karunanidhi and now Marans are in trouble and Pawar has close links with 2G accused Shahid Balwa.

Thing is - there is a lot of information that CBI and ED are close to obtaining and a many important leaders could be nailed with this. The only thing stopping them from taking the next step is political will. Any agitation that forces them to step forward from here will be very very rewarding for the country, now.

[soton]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud Ramdev has amassed 1200 crores in the last decade. But, that is because he has managed to hoodwink people into donating him the money and not by any illegal means. There is a difference between the two and that has to be understood. Also. I do not know anything to classify him as "bigoted". Someone wearing a saffron cloth doesn't automatically become radical. He has made no comments against any religion at any point of time, as far as I know. Of course, the VHP is bigoted to its core and their support to his movement was unfortunate, but, you can not stop anyone from supporting you and the bandh was hardly communal in nature. I don't trust Ramdev, but, his movement could have helped strengthen Anna Hazaare and co and their demands and that would have been a good thing. Congress not being able to give assurances to bring black money back is fishy business. The non-disclosure of the list that they obtained from Germany which had details of forty four accounts in banks in Liechtenstein is really shocking. Hasan Ali was caught claiming during his interrogation that he was a proxy for three former CMs and many other people. Karunanidhi and now Marans are in trouble and Pawar has close links with 2G accused Shahid Balwa. Thing is - there is a lot of information that CBI and ED are close to obtaining and a many important leaders could be nailed with this. The only thing stopping them from taking the next step is political will. Any agitation that forces them to step forward from here will be very very rewarding for the country, now.

Lol so what moral right does Ramdev has to fight against corruption when he himself has amassed 1200 crore without declaring the sources or legal donors as per your opinion .In fact he has done great disservice to people of India spending 18 crore to organise this drama using the RSS cadets has undone the good work done by people like Anna Hazare and other groups who are fighting for corruption .

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by soton Lol so what moral right does Ramdev has to fight against corruption when he himself has amassed 1200 crore without declaring the sources or legal donors as per your opinion .

He claims that all his assets are declared and all the audits of his organization are with the government with all the major donors declared.

He asked Digvijay Singh to ask the government to disclose the audit reports sent to them if he wanted to know where the money came from.

As per my opinion, he has amassed the wealth legally, but, has hoodwinked people to donate their money to him.

[AlizeeFan]

He pays tax for that money and he has enough people around him so that he can work without any political or religious organization.

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

There is something fishy about the negotiations between the government and Ramdev. Both parties have questions to answer.

[jheenga]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud He claims that all his assets are declared and all the audits of his organization are with the government with all the major donors declared. He asked Digvijay Singh to ask the government to disclose the audit reports sent to them if he wanted to know where the money came from. As per my opinion, he has amassed the wealth legally, but, has hoodwinked people to donate their money to him.

i am told he gets a lot of money from the avurveda products sold by the trust he has & digvijay is also a bit of a retard . Funny ****,guy dressed up in salwaar kammez & a dupatta to evade arrest but was caught

[Krishnan]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud He claims that all his assets are declared and all the audits of his organization are with the government with all the major donors declared. He asked Digvijay Singh to ask the government to disclose the audit reports sent to them if he wanted to know where the money came from. As per my opinion, he has amassed the wealth legally, but, has hoodwinked people to donate their money to him.

If u want a totally clean man to fight for corruption,u wont get it in india.every high profile guy must have done corruption at some point or another in india be it ramdev or hazare

If for example today infosys narayanamoorthy has to buy a big plot of land somewhere he has to pay some bribe to the govt to make sure the process is faster.so the important thing here is,the time has come for the people to get justice by compromising to an extent.If you keep on waiting for a totally clean guy to carry any protest then it wont happen.

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Even if a man is totally clean, it is very easy for the government to malign them by some means or other. Just look at the fake tapes that came up against Shanti Bhushan that turned out to be spliced Amar Singh tapes.

He was cleared but some doubt automatically cropped up about him because of that. People like Digvijay Singh specialize in creating a specter of doubt about people opposing them without actually claiming anything tangible. Things like - how on earth did he accumulate so much money, how did he buy that flat there? Lets investigate him. - regardless of whether that person has cleared up all details about his earnings and assets to the government and has played taxes because of it.

[jheenga]

so,my friends from madhya pradesh [ state where he was cm for 2 terms] say he's da richest congress cm from mp - networth,undeclared ofcourse,is around a billion $ - now dats big money so dont be taking diggi saheb seriously on corruption

[soton]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud He claims that all his assets are declared and all the audits of his organization are with the government with all the major donors declared. He asked Digvijay Singh to ask the government to disclose the audit reports sent to them if he wanted to know where the money came from. As per my opinion, he has amassed the wealth legally, but, has hoodwinked people to donate their money to him.

Even Narendra Modi claims he is secular and only ignorant fool would take his word for granted it is just political rhetoric . Ramdev has always enjoyed poltical support otherwise he is no less than a criminal if magical remedies act of 1954 is applied on him . but because of his political influence and ignorant followers he is regarded as a saint and left untouched.

When Rajdeep Sardesai questioned him on the CNN-IBN News Channel, he confessed that Sangh has ideological compatibility with Baba Ramdev and RSS cadre will participate in fast unto death programme in large numbers. What more proof is required to show that which are the forces behind Ramdev and what are the parties behind Ramdev.

[Poison]

Hopefully we don't have people this strange looking in Pakistan.

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by soton Even Narendra Modi claims he is secular and only ignorant fool would take his word for granted it is just political rhetoric . Ramdev has always enjoyed poltical support otherwise he is no less than a criminal if magical remedies act of 1954 is applied on him . but because of his political influence and ignorant followers he is regarded as a saint and left untouched. When Rajdeep Sardesai questioned him on the CNN-IBN News Channel, he confessed that Sangh has ideological compatibility with Baba Ramdev and RSS cadre will participate in fast unto death programme in large numbers. What more proof is required to show that which are the forces behind Ramdev and what are the parties behind Ramdev.

Well, he's going against the government on a corruption agenda. His wealth is declared and he pays taxes. His organization's audit record is with the government and if there is no tangible proof against him, how can you term him corrupt just on the basis of his wealth?

The analogy with Narendra Modi is ridiculous one. Because in Narendra Modi's tenure there were riots and people died. There was a clear case of police laxity and hence the natural suspicion is on him. Also, a lot of people with neutral agenda (not his political opponents) have supported these allegations against him which is why his record is tainted and his communal credentials are acceptable. Simply terming a person who has earned a lot of money corrupt makes no sense at all.

Secondly, regardless of the who is supporting Ramdev's fast, what s important is what the fast is for. So what if RSS cadres are also fasting? They are not fasting for a communal motive, they are fasting to bring back the black money from foreign banks and they are fasting to pressurize the government to show tangible results when it comes to identifying and punishing the corrupt.

When the agenda is not communal in nature and is important for the whole country, why should anyone be disallowed from taking part in the protests? After all, the enlightened middle class is not the sole "thekedar" of transparency in the country. Baba's movement had the potential to get those sections of society involved who were not attracted by the Hazaare movement.

[jheenga]

Originally Posted by Poison Hopefully we don't have people this strange looking in Pakistan.

take a guess wat his age is ....

[GOAT]

According to google, "inconclusive".

[SAF]

Originally Posted by jheenga take a guess wat his age is ....

45 years old. Why?

[Poison]

Google webpage result indicates he's 46?

Maybe we should explore the deep web for results

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Whoever gets the closest number to the real one will be felicitated in a "congratulations thread".

[AlizeeFan]

It has become quite a habit in India to call anyone corrupt who has lot of money.

[SAF]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud Whoever gets the closest number to the real one will be felicitated in a "congratulations thread".

Why? how old is he then? 46? 56? 66?

[soton]

Originally Posted by SAF Why? how old is he then? 46? 56? 66?

45 apparently thats excluding bank holidays and weekends though.

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[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by AlizeeFan It has become quite a habit in India to call anyone corrupt who has lot of money.

That, unfortunately, is the result of our current legal system which proved to be impotent when it comes to punishing political and financial bigwigs which also means that a lot of people who have gotten rich(which is a large share of those who are rich) by unfair means remain unpunished.

Ideally, only a convicted person should be tainted by the crime he/she has committed, but, a conviction is so rare and so tough to bring about that any big shot who is accused of anything is automatically judged as guilty by the public. One has to feel for the real innocent and one can not blame the public, as well.

Pathetic state of affairs, but, at least, things look like they are improving as some big shots are in the jail now.

[soton]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud Well, he's going against the government on a corruption agenda. His wealth is declared and he pays taxes. His organization's audit record is with the government and if there is no tangible proof against him, how can you term him corrupt just on the basis of his wealth? The analogy with Narendra Modi is ridiculous one. Because in Narendra Modi's tenure there were riots and people died. There was a clear case of police laxity and hence the natural suspicion is on him. Also, a lot of people with neutral agenda (not his political opponents) have supported these allegations against him which is why his record is tainted and his communal credentials are acceptable. Simply terming a person who has earned a lot of money corrupt makes no sense at all. Secondly, regardless of the who is supporting Ramdev's fast, what s important is what the fast is for. So what if RSS cadres are also fasting? They are not fasting for a communal motive, they are fasting to bring back the black money from foreign banks and they are fasting to pressurize the government to show tangible results when it comes to identifying and punishing the corrupt. When the agenda is not communal in nature and is important for the whole country, why should anyone be disallowed from taking part in the protests? After all, the enlightened middle class is not the sole "thekedar" of transparency in the country. Baba's movement had the potential to get those sections of society involved who were not attracted by the Hazaare movement.

Black money in India is not a recent problem whether its is congress or BJP it has been the same it is just a political gimmick .Ramdev is perhaps forgetting that people who are financing his drama and most of his devotees donate black money. I am not complaining about the fact the every evil is being concealed in saffron colour but i am against communal forces hijacking such a crucial issue for their political motives. Thankfully i am not the only one most people doubt the intentions of this dongi baba.

[jheenga]

Originally Posted by SAF Why? how old is he then? 46? 56? 66?

lol ..some1 told moi he is 64 -mujhey pakka nahi pata !!!

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by soton Black money in India is not a recent problem whether its is congress or BJP it has been the same it is just a political gimmick .Ramdev is perhaps forgetting that people who are financing his drama and most of his devotees donate black money. I am not complaining about the fact the every evil is being concealed in saffron colour but i am against communal forces hijacking such a crucial issue for their political motives. Thankfully i am not the only one most people doubt the intentions of this dongi baba.

Everyone has doubts over Ramdev's credentials. I posted that in my very first post in the thread, itself.

But, any help is useful help, in this case. Most of the people who are actually leading this campaign were wary of the Baba and were ready to be him only on strict conditions with him. So, there wasn't much chance to the movement taking the wrong direction. As any wrong direction would have automatically affected its popularity and credibility.

[AlizeeFan]

It's more like wait and see situation for many people. He can have his own agenda over all this. But for now it remains the fact that he is doing this and he has shook the Govt more on than anyone else on this issue.

Like I said earlier, it's more important to keep such activities as the activities of masses and not an event organized by a political party.

BJP and it's leaders are just trying to take advantage of this situation. It's disappointing to see that. I wish that no one gives importance to him. All the BJP leaders were doing tamasha at Ring Road, New Delhi. They blocked the traffic. I don't know what happened to them, but I wanted those leaders to be removed forcefully from there.

@Jheenga : Is it a new trend to use moi in your sentences?

[SAF]

Originally Posted by jheenga lol ..some1 told moi he is 64 -mujhey pakka nahi pata !!!

Probably is. He does yoga, so i wouldnt be surprised if he is that old.

[Looney]

even better , Baba Boom Boom

[dps2009]

Originally Posted by StraightHit Will be hard to beat the Congress as they keep appeasing the minorities. Lets see how all the scams will affect this government. Any other PM would have resigned by now. He has no credibility left.

what BS, appeasing the minorities is the reason the minorities are in such a bad shape in terms of socioeconomic factors.

hindutva types never fail to bring up the " appeasment of minorities" issue , its a dead give away for the RSS kacha dharis.

[dps2009]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud Well, he's going against the government on a corruption agenda. His wealth is declared and he pays taxes. His organization's audit record is with the government and if there is no tangible proof against him, how can you term him corrupt just on the basis of his wealth? The analogy with Narendra Modi is ridiculous one. Because in Narendra Modi's tenure there were riots and people died. There was a clear case of police laxity and hence the natural suspicion is on him. Also, a lot of people with neutral agenda (not his political opponents) have supported these allegations against him which is why his record is tainted and his communal credentials are acceptable. Simply terming a person who has earned a lot of money corrupt makes no sense at all. Secondly, regardless of the who is supporting Ramdev's fast, what s important is what the fast is for. So what if RSS cadres are also fasting? They are not fasting for a communal motive, they are fasting to bring back the black money from foreign banks and they are fasting to pressurize the government to show tangible results when it comes to identifying and punishing the corrupt. When the agenda is not communal in nature and is important for the whole country, why should anyone be disallowed from taking part in the protests? After all, the enlightened middle class is not the sole "thekedar" of transparency in the country. Baba's movement had the potential to get those sections of society involved who were not attracted by the Hazaare movement.

sorry not buying the whole RSS done good by fasting against corruption therefore we can support them in isolation of their underlying hindutva fascist ideology ..

RSS association taints ramdev credibility ,simple as.

[jheenga]

guys forget da baba ,but the govt didnt have any biz firing teargas shells in a shamiana which had like 65k people inside .... could have been a bad stampede.
lol i cant still get over da fact that this guy tried to fool police by wearing womens clothes & dupatta- look at his beard - idiot should have put on a burqaa

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Originally Posted by dps2009 sorry not buying the whole RSS done good by fasting against corruption therefore we can support them in isolation of their underlying hindutva fascist ideology .. RSS association taints ramdev credibility ,simple as.

They do. Ramdev never had much credibility on his own anyway. His silly demands also did not do good to his credibility.

But, that doesn't take away the fact that his movement would have pressurized the government to take a step back in the Jan Lokpal Bill drafting process.

Also, the way the government dealt with the whole thing was appalling and they've automatically inflated the importance of Ramdev now.

[avidlearner]

Delhi Govt's handling of Ramdev's so called "Fast Against Corruption" was nothing short of ridiculous. As Jheenga rightly pointed out, why on the earth they used such a forceful action against the fellow protesters that too in the middle of the night with teargas and lathi-charges etc.

I am no supporter of any of these modern day God-Mans/Babas/Gurus (whatever you name it) but UPA at the center is making blunder in tackling situations like these. I am afraid the way things are going at the moment we are gonna have a HUNG parliament in the next election which is simply not good for the country

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Don't worry about that avid.

Our politicians are so hungry for power that they'd never let the parliament hang. They'll join each other and manage some kind of coalition government somehow.

[jheenga]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud Don't worry about that avid. Our politicians are so hungry for power that they'd never let the parliament hang. They'll join each other and manage some kind of coalition government somehow.

true but it is worrying .... will we ever find any decent leaders . 1 question,people say power corrupts & if that is true without exceptions,does it mean evry decent person who becomes a neta will turn corrupt ...such a depressing thought.

[dps2009]

Originally Posted by avidlearner Delhi Govt's handling of Ramdev's so called "Fast Against Corruption" was nothing short of ridiculous. As Jheenga rightly pointed out, why on the earth they used such a forceful action against the fellow protesters that too in the middle of the night with teargas and lathi-charges etc.

and leave to cockroaches like RSS/VHP to try and take advantage of govt mishandling.

[SG]

How can people support Ramdev who is a total attention seeker and corrupt to the core himself?

In a way I'm happy that he sat on fast in Delhi. It uncovered the mask he has sported for last 5 years and really showed how shady he himself he is.

[SG]

And whats with Sushma dancing at Rajghat? What the hell was she thinking? Looks like she has gone senile. In fact, she has always been a dumbo especially when she threatened to tonsure her head and behave a like a widow if Sonia becomes PM of India.

BJP has to be at its lowest to appoint her as leader of party in LS.

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

They have to give it to Jaitley to have any future.

And Baba looks like he's in trouble now.

[SG]

And Baba looks like he's in trouble now.

Thats 5-6 years too late. This guy is scum.

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Well, these Baba's hoodwink and emotionally blackmail people into donating large sums of money to them.

However, whether he has cheated someone(in a legal sense) is yet to be seen. I won't be surprised if he has because his replies about his assets have been quite shifty.

[SG]

So Ramdev ends his 'fast'. Though technically it was finished as soon as glucose got into his system.

Has to be one of the most pointless fasts ever observed and it aptly finished in a whimper.

Serves the hypocrite and loud mouth well. Perhaps now common Indian will know that Ramdev is just a dhongi baba who has amassed huge assets at their expense.

[freaky]

Originally Posted by SG So Ramdev ends his 'fast'. Though technically it was finished as soon as glucose got into his system. Has to be one of the most pointless fasts ever observed and it aptly finished in a whimper. Serves the hypocrite and loud mouth well. Perhaps now common Indian will know that Ramdev is just a dhongi baba who has amassed huge assets at their expense.

ramdev might be dhongi but he is fighting for real cause.

His assets are all accounted and he has paid taxes, and his assets are audited .

I would surely not trust congress party who have been exposed of
mega corruption scandals (40 billion $ telecom,100 billion $ Satellite spectrum,........................there are atleast 3-4 more mega scandals to their names)
I would not trust a party whose general secretary Dick vijay singg says "Osama jee was a pious muslim and he should have been given islamic burial"

[SG]

Yep, surely all his assets are accounted for. Why? Just because he and his cronies say it.

[UmarAkmals-fan]

we have baba baba guru afridi boomdev ...

he gives spirtual leaders on crickting issues politics religous issues cheating issues and many more ...jay ho baba boom ji ki

[SG]

lol, UA fan.

Thats actually quite well done whoever did it.

[jheenga]

thats pretty nice UAF
ramdeo has now cut a sorry figure & the nepali guy who was his astt & has 98% stake in some tv channel ,dont know why but appears these two have some kinda gay relationship going on !!!

[Krishnan]

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the...tamasha/202261

pls watch from 3.23 to 5.00..cant get funnier

[freaky]

Originally Posted by SG Yep, surely all his assets are accounted for. Why? Just because he and his cronies say it.

He showed it in front of all crowds....

it was all published on Toilet news of india [every minute details...i think you dont read it ]


I would trust dhongi baba over congress which is tainted and has lost all its reputation................


MMS : i am helpless but incorrupt .i have support of most inefficient and corrupt coalitions .e.g. dynasty party like DMK and Dawood supporter "Corurption goonda" Sharad pawar(who has assets in ipl team,unitech ownership;he is close to dawood,he is the main reason ,dawood gang still operates in mumbai.recent killing of mid day journalist showed how corrupt police commissioners of mumbai are,who work for indian terrorist dawood ibrahim...all these happen bcoz of support of congress and pawar..).

Even RAW plans to use gang leaders to attack dawood houses in karachi were stopped by Pawar and congress gangs since they get enough commission from his business;They uselessly rant about those 45 terrorists living in pakistan(they dont care a ****.)
Raw and IB had tried many times to burst Dawood gang but mumbai police cells never let that happen..

They work for pawar and dawood .


i wont be surprised once dawood arrives into mumbai and Dick vijay singh will say "

Dawood jee is the most loved bhai in our country "

[Dr. Schaden Freud]

Ramdev has actually given the Congress a window to attack the anti-corruption protesters now.

More skeletons are tumbling out of the closet with the Marans in trouble as well as the government's currying favours to Mukhesh Ambani's RIL getting highlighted by the CAG report.
We desperately need a strong Lokpal Bill to be incorporated now.

[Krishnan]

Originally Posted by Dr. Schaden Freud Ramdev has actually given the Congress a window to attack the anti-corruption protesters now. More skeletons are tumbling out of the closet with the Marans in trouble as well as the government's currying favours to Mukhesh Ambani's RIL getting highlighted by the CAG report. We desperately need a strong Lokpal Bill to be incorporated now.

He is the most poor guy in india-this CAG,he does all post post mortem hard work and year after year he brings out huge corruption in every department-right from military to agri to almost everything,but hardly any action on the wrong doers except for political gains.

[SG]

Originally Posted by jheenga thats pretty nice UAF ramdeo has now cut a sorry figure & the nepali guy who was his astt & has 98% stake in some tv channel ,dont know why but appears these two have some kinda gay relationship going on !!!

lol at the bold part.

BTW, that TV channel is Astha, hugely popular amongst devout Hindus. Gotta say Ramdev has milked this channel extremely well for his political gains. More often than not it just telecasts him and his shows.

And how come someone like Balkrishnan can have almost 100% share in a TV channel? Owning a TV channel isn't joke. How could he afford this in a such short span of time?

Everything is fishy about these partners in loot of common man's money. And they've galls to dupe innocent Indians in the name of black money?

[jheenga]

Originally Posted by SG lol at the bold part. BTW, that TV channel is Astha, hugely popular amongst devout Hindus. Gotta say Ramdev has milked this channel extremely well for his political gains. More often than not it just telecasts him and his shows. And how come someone like Balkrishnan can have almost 100% share in a TV channel? Owning a TV channel isn't joke. How could he afford this in a such short span of time? Everything is fishy about these partners in loot of common man's money. And they've galls to dupe innocent Indians in the name of black money?

oh come on everyone is using religion to make money & dat nepaly guy & him,sounds fishy - most peeps put their assets in dere wives name

[soton]

Originally Posted by freaky He showed it in front of all crowds.... it was all published on Toilet news of india [every minute details...i think you dont read it ] I would trust dhongi baba over congress which is tainted and has lost all its reputation................ MMS : i am helpless but incorrupt .i have support of most inefficient and corrupt coalitions .e.g. dynasty party like DMK and Dawood supporter "Corurption goonda" Sharad pawar(who has assets in ipl team,unitech ownership;he is close to dawood,he is the main reason ,dawood gang still operates in mumbai.recent killing of mid day journalist showed how corrupt police commissioners of mumbai are,who work for indian terrorist dawood ibrahim...all these happen bcoz of support of congress and pawar..). Even RAW plans to use gang leaders to attack dawood houses in karachi were stopped by Pawar and congress gangs since they get enough commission from his business;They uselessly rant about those 45 terrorists living in pakistan(they dont care a ****.) Raw and IB had tried many times to burst Dawood gang but mumbai police cells never let that happen.. They work for pawar and dawood . i wont be surprised once dawood arrives into mumbai and Dick vijay singh will say " Dawood jee is the most loved bhai in our country "

What is the difference between corrupt politician and fraud religious guru who has amassed millions by cheating people .

What BJP did against Dawood when they were in power . so what's the difference between congress and BJP most politicians corrupt to the core but at least congress is not a regressive party like BJP which wants to take india back to the stone age .

[Garuda]

To OP.

Be happy that you do NOT have anyone like baba Ramdev. You need more mature people than him to bring any revolution.

He is more of an emotional, headline grabber kind of baba.

Also, what he is doing is going to encourage anarchy. Yes, there are curruption and a slow anti-curruption tool in India. But the route he wants to take to make thing done is not right too.

Its more of a blackmail than revolution. If he wins, then this will be used by a lot of people to blackmail and get their agenda approved.

So its a two sided sword.

[Garuda]

This baba says, he wants to make people of India fit and healthy by teaching yoga.

How ? By charging 30,000 rs per person in front and subsequently lesser and lesser if you sit far.

So he is trying to fit only the elite. How many yoga camps he does where he doesn't charge a huge sum of money?

[SG]

By charging 30,000 rs per person in front

Thats actually 50K, Garuda.