Urdu has to be the Language in the Pakistan Dressing Room

[Saj]

I only just found out.

Apparently Pushto is banned from being spoken in the Pakistan dressing room.

[RehanG]

haha and punjabi?

[MC]

LOL...

Seriously?

Saj bhai, from you personal experience with the players, would you say that the Pathan trio were pretty big on communicating each other only in pashto?

[Sufian84]

its the real reason for afridis retirement

[DeadlyVenom]

Makes sense. They should all communicate in Urdu so nobody is excluded.

[W63L35]

Indian has many more regional languages than us. I wonder, if any regional languages are banned their dressing room?

[MC]

Originally Posted by W63L35 Indian has many more regional languages than us. I wonder, if any regional languages are banned their dressing room?

They might have an unwritten rule as well, you never know.

[Itachi]

Does banning a regional language solves any issue?

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by MC They might have an unwritten rule as well, you never know.

might be, who knows excep the players.... But officially bcci avoids this kind of banning cz it will spark a fire on the region which language was banned.... It'll be a big issue.

[srh]

good. should be only one language.

[MC]

Originally Posted by Itachi might be, who knows excep the players.... But officially bcci avoids this kind of banning cz it will spark a fire on the region which language was banned.... It'll be a big issue.

Well there won't be any harm if BCCI has told its players to only communicate in official languages, like English/Hindi, its makes sense. But we have a very dumb board, instead of saying no conversations allowed in any regional language, now that would be understandable, they decided to single out just one language?

Besides, I don't think this decision came out as a result of players every once in a while throwing the common phrase or two in their regional lingo for a laugh.

[KingKhanWC]

So does this mean they can only speak in Urdu? Therefore Punjabi should be banned too, if not it's a joke from the Pathetic Cricket Board.

There was no Peshawar team in the T20, Afridi has been sacked and now Pashto is banned? At a time when the enemies are trying to divide the nation so they can break it up and with cricket being a great uniting force this is a really dumb move by a joke of a cricket board.

I hope some players Pukhtoon or not stand up and show some bottle against this embarrassment of a board.

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by MC Well there won't be any harm if BCCI has told its players to only communicate in official languages, like English/Hindi, its makes sense. But we have a very dumb board, instead of saying no conversations allowed in any regional language, now that would be understandable, they decided to single out just one language? Besides, I don't think this decision came out as a result of players every once in a while throwing the common phrase or two in their regional lingo for a laugh.

exactly that was my point. Had they said that no regional language is allowed, it is understandable.... But just picking one regional language can provoke a fire in the community....

[iRfaN_LA]

childish move by PCB. Why would you ban one regional language? Why not ban ALL of them instead of banning one and creating a divide. These jerks don't know how to run an administration.

[ahsan88]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC So does this mean they can only speak in Urdu? Therefore Punjabi should be banned too, if not it's a joke from the Pathetic Cricket Board. There was no Peshawar team in the T20, Afridi has been sacked and now Pashto is banned? At a time when the enemies are trying to divide the nation so they can break it up and with cricket being a great uniting force this is a really dumb move by a joke of a cricket board. I hope some players Pukhtoon or not stand up and show some bottle against this embarrassment of a board.

Agreed.

This is outrageous. Waqar communicates with many players using Punjabi.

[cricwiz]

Originally Posted by Saj I only just found out. Apparently Pushto is banned from being spoken in the Pakistan dressing room.

Why not ban all regional languages?.... telling players that they can only communicate in official languages of Pakistan (i.e. Urdu & English)...

Banning a certain regional language can only be termed as regional biasness, which is unacceptable. But thats PCB.. so one can always expect the most unprofessional decisions from them.

[ahsan88]

This is beyond pathetic.

I'm outraged.

[w8in_4_0402]

***!!!!

If so than Punjabi has defo should not be spoken at all terms. Only Urdu Basta!

[DeadlyVenom]

Can Urdu speakers understand Punjabi?

They sound quite similar to me and pushto sounds undecipherable but thats probably cause Im familiar with both Urdu and Punjabi.

I agree with this rule and if its the case that certain players cant understand punjabi then it too should be banned.

[sully3]

How is this a joke happens in most sports teams. A couple of days ago New Chelsea boss Villa Boas banned everyone from speaking in any other language except English in training ground and stadiums.

he even banned hairdressers to come to the training ground, something which pakistani team had a problem with recently in India.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw...-of-rules.html

Its ok when chelsea do it but when pakistan does it most fans are outraged, Pathetic stuff from some fans on this forum.

[Pakhtoon_Rules]

Pcb at its best.

[hokie]

Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom Can Urdu speakers understand Punjabi? They sound quite similar to me and pushto sounds undecipherable but thats probably cause Im familiar with both Urdu and Punjabi. I agree with this rule and if its the case that certain players cant understand punjabi then it too should be banned.

I think most can understand some of the Punjabi, but I personally know alot of Urdu speakers who don't understand Punjabi at all.

I agree that the ban should be on regional languages and not just Pushto.

[ahsan88]

Originally Posted by sully3 How is this a joke happens in most sports teams. A couple of days ago New Chelsea boss Villa Boas banned everyone from speaking in any other language except English in training ground and stadiums. he even banned hairdressers to come to the training ground, something which pakistani team had a problem with recently in India. http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw...-of-rules.html Its ok when chelsea do it but when pakistan does it most fans are outraged, Pathetic stuff from some fans on this forum.

What are you on about?

It is a joke because our current coach communicates in Punjabi with certain players.

Either ban all regional languages, or allow every language to be spoken freely.

[cricketpassion]

Hopefully Punjabi is banned aswell

[Zippy]

hmmm... I can kind of understand the reasoning behind it.

In a dressing room where not everyone is 'friends', I can see conversing in a language that not everyone understands leading to some misunderstandings.

Also; a bit OT, but I would like to ask, do non-Punjabi people have trouble understanding Punjabi? I mean Urdu and Punjabi are pretty similar to an extent...I think if you understand Urdu you can generally make out what some is saying in Punjabi right?

[JibranAnsari]

crap pcb , ban all langauges and allow only gestures.

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by sully3 How is this a joke happens in most sports teams. A couple of days ago New Chelsea boss Villa Boas banned everyone from speaking in any other language except English in training ground and stadiums. he even banned hairdressers to come to the training ground, something which pakistani team had a problem with recently in India. http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw...-of-rules.html Its ok when chelsea do it but when pakistan does it most fans are outraged, Pathetic stuff from some fans on this forum.

can't you see the difference? He banned all regional so that there is no discrimination. In this issue, it is only 1. The former shows good management and the later shows incompetent management.

[sully3]

Originally Posted by Itachi can't you see the difference? He banned all regional so that there is no discrimination. In this issue, it is only 1. The former shows good management and the later shows incompetent management.

makes no sense cause the only other laguage spoken besides english at chelsea is what ever they speak in Ivory coast and brazilian.

[Zippy]

Yea there should be consistency...no regional languages for Pak team. In fact only English should be allowed.

[khan_a]

i understand the reason for it. but to single out pashto is not right. the pcb never do themselves justice with there decisions. would it not be easier to say 'when training/playing for pakistan, players should speak in urdu since its a common language and it is the national language', why single out pashto.

[Pakhtoon_Rules]

I think gul and younis cant understand punjabi either.

[zaid65]

For all the talks of players unity and Afridi keeping the team united has becoming apparent with this news.

For all the folks who are jumping the gun, need to realize that it is not about the discrimination of the language, it is the understanding of the language by other players. When players speaks Punjabi, people who do not speaks Punjabi, knows the content of the language and nobody feels uncomfortable around, but Pushto dialogue is totally different and can make other people around uncomfortable due to unfamilirity of the content.

[KingKhanWC]

^^

What about English?

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by sully3 makes no sense cause the only other laguage spoken besides english at chelsea is what ever they speak in Ivory coast and brazilian.

1st of all, who is talking about chelsea here? The thread is about pakistan board.

Even if there is 2 languages (in chelsea), he made sure that he can't be call biased by not allowing any other language except english. The discussion of chelsea isn't related to thread.

[srh]

use English instead of Urdu otherwise urdu speaking cricketers from Karachi will have an unfair advantage

[jheenga]

Originally Posted by Saj I only just found out. Apparently Pushto is banned from being spoken in the Pakistan dressing room.

Why ? Does da management fear that they might try some hanky panky by speaking in pushto & incidentally do you know how many in your current squad- say da last 11 which played a international match speak pushto ?

[NO 1 AFRIDI FAN]

WTH?
They should ban all regional languages then.

[sully3]

Originally Posted by Itachi 1st of all, who is talking about chelsea here? The thread is about pakistan board. Even if there is 2 languages (in chelsea), he made sure that he can't be call biased by not allowing any other language except english. The discussion of chelsea isn't related to thread.

mate the fact is if teams like Cheslea are banning players from speaking in other languages then its only right Pakistan can do it. and

some players feel if a group of players are in taking in phusto then they feel they might be talking about them negatively. anyone who understand urdu understands punjabi and thats fact.

[w8in_4_0402]

people really think seniors like Afridi,YK,Gul would stop communicating in Pushto? JK, Ahmed Shahzad and others are all Pashto speaking players.

[SIMBA]

Butt saab in action- Boom Boom Butt.

What a stupid decision!

[MMHS]

Indian board must be smarter enough not to raise this sort of idiotic issues. Some of the Indian states are very sensitive about their language (I am sure the Bangalis are) & a ban or imposing a particular language would have raised much media mockery than the actual problem.

However, I had been in India several times & found that, gradually English is becoming their 1st language. There are many bi-state couples who communicate in English between them & their kids use mostly English. I found in South (Visited Hyderabad, Bangalore & Chennai), even the sweepers & Taxi drivers speaking workable English.

Finally, Indian players are more interested to learn a new language than their Pakistani counterparts. It take few months to learn a language & I have seen how MSD, Pathans, Viru has developed their English over the years, whereas Inzi stumbled with his "Yes, No, Very Good" for 4 years & never tried to improve. Most importantly, it seems that, Pakistan can't hire a foreign coach for language barrier. I think, India has overcome the stage of any regional language; even implemented, it 'll never be an issue.

[Pakhtoon_Rules]

Originally Posted by w8in_4_0402 people really think seniors like Afridi,YK,Gul would stop communicating in Pushto? JK, Ahmed Shahzad and others are all Pashto speaking players.

Ahmed shahzad??

[cricwiz]

Originally Posted by zaid65 For all the talks of players unity and Afridi keeping the team united has becoming apparent with this news. For all the folks who are jumping the gun, need to realize that it is not about the discrimination of the language, it is the understanding of the language by other players. When players speaks Punjabi, people who do not speaks Punjabi, knows the content of the language and nobody feels uncomfortable around, but Pushto dialogue is totally different and can make other people around uncomfortable due to unfamilirity of the content.

You are totally wrong here... TOTALLY WRONG... Whatever is the spirit behind this login, the move is wrong. You assumption of all Urdu listeners able to understand Punjabi is wrong and naive. Yes those non-punjabi speaking guys who have spent some years in Punjab may feel comfortable in understanding Punjabi, but those never in the areas find it particularly hard to understand Punjabi language.

The move to ban one particular regional language is biased and uncalled for. If they wanted to eradicate this (understanding of language) issue from the dressing room, than banning all regional languages would have been the simple and sensible solution. But PCB and sense are far away entities...

[srh]

Originally Posted by cricwiz You are totally wrong here... TOTALLY WRONG... Whatever is the spirit behind this login, the move is wrong. You assumption of all Urdu listeners able to understand Punjabi is wrong and naive. Yes those non-punjabi speaking guys who have spent some years in Punjab may feel comfortable in understanding Punjabi, but those never in the areas find it particularly hard to understand Punjabi language. The move to ban one particular regional language is biased and uncalled for. If they wanted to eradicate this (understanding of language) issue from the dressing room, than banning all regional languages would have been the simple and sensible solution. But PCB and sense are far away entities...

But if you compare other regional languages you will see Punjabi is the closest to Urdu than any other language.

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by sully3 mate the fact is if teams like Cheslea are banning players from speaking in other languages then its only right Pakistan can do it. and some players feel if a group of players are in taking in phusto then they feel they might be talking about them negatively. anyone who understand urdu understands punjabi and thats fact.

point is not only the language, but what the language represents. A regional language also represents the region. If you ban the language, it also means you are being unfair to that community in particular. That's why, better ban all the regional language and use the official one.

[haroonrasheed320]

Im furious, thoughts of Pakhtunistan anyone?

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by MMHS Indian board must be smarter enough not to raise this sort of idiotic issues. Some of the Indian states are very sensitive about their language (I am sure the Bangalis are) & a ban or imposing a particular language would have raised much media mockery than the actual problem. However, I had been in India several times & found that, gradually English is becoming their 1st language. There are many bi-state couples who communicate in English between them & their kids use mostly English. I found in South (Visited Hyderabad, Bangalore & Chennai), even the sweepers & Taxi drivers speaking workable English. Finally, Indian players are more interested to learn a new language than their Pakistani counterparts. It take few months to learn a language & I have seen how MSD, Pathans, Viru has developed their English over the years, whereas Inzi stumbled with his "Yes, No, Very Good" for 4 years & never tried to improve. Most importantly, it seems that, Pakistan can't hire a foreign coach for language barrier. I think, India has overcome the stage of any regional language; even implemented, it 'll never be an issue.

yup. Its true. Hindi is spoken more on north india, and in south india, either you have to speak the local language or english. Actually there is no particular language that dominates the other one in india (upto some extent hindi does).

[sully3]

Originally Posted by Itachi point is not only the language, but what the language represents. A regional language also represents the region. If you ban the language, it also means you are being unfair to that community in particular. That's why, better ban all the regional language and use the official one.

No anyone who speaks Urdu understands Punjabi perfectly and thats fact.

your argument is invalid

[farsiddiqui]

Originally Posted by srh use English instead of Urdu otherwise urdu speaking cricketers from Karachi will have an unfair advantage

This is the biggest obstacle in our country ever being a unified nation.

'Urdu' is the national language. As long as it continues to be looked as the language of "urdu speaking' people or 'Karachi-walay' only, we will always stay divided.

Realistically, how many people do you think in the team can speak English, let alone be comfortable in communicating.

On the other hand, they all do speak Urdu (with or without accent). They play for Pakistan. Urdu is Pakistan's national language. It shouldn't alienate anybody, It should embrace everybody.

[Pk-zindabaad]

stupid ban!!!!

[haroonrasheed320]

Originally Posted by sully3 No anyone who speaks Urdu understands Punjabi perfectly and thats fact. your argument is invalid

that is themost dumb thing i ever heard, i know urdu but i don't understad punjabi.

[cricwiz]

Originally Posted by sully3 No anyone who speaks Urdu understands Punjabi perfectly and thats fact. your argument is invalid

your post is idiotic and thats a FACT

Assuming that everyone who speaks urdu will understand Punjabi is being naive, and assuming that not only will he/she understand but understand it perfectly is being idiotic..

You may not have met many, but I know many Pushtoons/Urdu speaking friends in front of whom we have to forcefully change our mode of speaking to Urdu because they are totally uncomfortable in understanding our conversation in Pujabi...

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by sully3 No anyone who speaks Urdu understands Punjabi perfectly and thats fact. your argument is invalid

lol


anyways, this is pretty stupid ... If they wanna keep Urdu, as the only language then they should ban Punjabi too, but if they wanna keep Punjabi the only language, then they should ban Urdu.

Or if not, then don't ban anything.

[AZ]

they actually had to BAN it?! lol!

and yes by that token all regional languages should be restricted.

[farsiddiqui]

Originally Posted by sully3 No anyone who speaks Urdu understands Punjabi perfectly and thats fact. your argument is invalid

Understanding and speaking are two different things. I can understand 90% of Punjabi, but then agian my in-laws are Punjabi and I do hear a lot more than most non-Punjabis.

From personal experience playing cricket in team that had 7 or 8 Punjabi players (most of them really good friends of mine), eventhough I understood most of what was being said, it does feel like a team within a team with their own inside jokes. It does lead to a feeling of alienation.

We as a nation need to learn the balance of preserving our regional languages and cultures while developing a unified national identity. Language is the biggest factor there. This is why Mr. Jinnah made the controversial statement in East Pakistan that the national language of the country can only be one: Urdu.

I think a lot of Punjabis forget how deeply Urdu is entrenched in Punjab from its very beginning. Lahore has for long been Urdu's cradle, with most literary Giants of Urdu originating from its soil. Iqbal, Faiz, Jalib, Niazi, Shifai..., the list is endless. The biggest flag-bearer of Urdu language today, Zia Mohiuddin, hails from Qusoor.

ok, time to get off my soapbox now...

[Rana]

English is not banned, it is feared.

[srh]

If Jinnah had made English or Arabic the national language of Pakistan instead of Urdu, we would not have that many problems in Pakistan.

[amirfanforlife]

It is pretty much a stupid decision.

[NJamal]

Fair enough if they ban PUNJABI also from the Pakistani dressing room. But then in which language Jahaz will communicate?

[the SHA]

What about Bull****? Is that also gonna be banned? If so then at least Ijaz Butt wont be barging in the dressing room anymore

[Faizan Lakhani]

pathetic, I must say. the PCB and team management continue making stupid decision, you just can not ban any one from speaking his regional language, if Umar Gul can communicate in Pashtu better than Urdu than he should be allowed to share his views in Pashtu with his colleagues.

[driver26]

In India all the players can easily communicate in Hindi so thank God we dont have such problems .

[NJamal]

They should better tell Younis, Gul, Afridi, Junaid and any other Pathan player dreaming to play for HIS COUNTRY in future that you all are not eligible to play for YOUR COUNTRY because you speak Pashto. Then we the Pathan fans will also try to find us another sport to follow in which Pashto is not banned.

[zzebie]

But why even bring such things up?Assuming the boys playing the game do not have an issue,they why bring up such divisive and controversial things. Ofcourse if someone from the team complains or has an issue, it's a different things altogether,and a debate can be initiated

[haroonrasheed320]

Originally Posted by NJamal They should better tell Younis, Gul, Afridi, Junaid and any other Pathan player dreaming to play for HIS COUNTRY in future that you all are not eligible to play for YOUR COUNTRY because you speak Pashto. Then we the Pathan fans will also try to find us another sport to follow in which Pashto is not banned.

Why sport? We have the right to play any sport we want, but I agree PCB is discouraging pathans who take interest in cricket. If the state of affairs remain the same the day is no far people demand a seperate nation.

[farsiddiqui]

Originally Posted by srh If Jinnah had made English or Arabic the national language of Pakistan instead of Urdu, we would not have that many problems in Pakistan.

Or Esperanto, or Yiddish,...what? we are not picking random languages for Pakistan?

Urdu/Hindi was/is the common vernacular of the masses of the Indian Sub-Continent. All our 'founding fathers' and leaders, regardless of their mother language being Gujrati or Punjabi or Pushto spoke it.

You completely missed the point of my earlier posts. It is attitude like yours about Urdu being a language of only a certain group of people in Pakistan that creates these problems. The reason this attitude exists is a discussion for another time and place.

English or Arabic as the national language for Pakistan? Really? Official language is one thing and getting a mass population to adopt it is another.

English has become the international language of communication. It's a fact. Whether it offends Russians or Chinese is besides the point. Even Russians and Chinese use English to communicate with each other in Business settings.

Urdu/Hindi/Rekhta,Hindustani, whatever name you want to give it is the language people of this sub-continent use when they have to communicate with each other.

What language can Umar Gul possibly use to talk with Abdul Razzaq? Pick one: English, Arabic, Punjabi, Pashto, or Urdu.

[osee_bhai]

Punjabi is the most spoken language in Pakistan...just saying. Although yes, all regional languages should be excluded.
Pushtu is extremely different though, for example I don't know any Punjabi whatsoever, but can understand a bit. But there are many more languages in Pak that should be excluded too.

[hazmat]

Originally Posted by zaid65 For all the talks of players unity and Afridi keeping the team united has becoming apparent with this news. For all the folks who are jumping the gun, need to realize that it is not about the discrimination of the language, it is the understanding of the language by other players. When players speaks Punjabi, people who do not speaks Punjabi, knows the content of the language and nobody feels uncomfortable around, but Pushto dialogue is totally different and can make other people around uncomfortable due to unfamilirity of the content.

This is not true. I speak and understand Urdu, but I can't understand Punjabi songs, movies etc. Maybe they can ban Pushto and not Punjabi, because of all of the other players, save 2 speak it.

[Osman]

probably to stop players btching about others!

[farsiddiqui]

Originally Posted by osee_bhai Punjabi is the most spoken language in Pakistan...just saying. Although yes, all regional languages should be excluded. Pushtu is extremely different though, for example I don't know any Punjabi whatsoever, but can understand a bit. But there are many more languages in Pak that should be excluded too.

Mandarin is the most spoken language in the world. Spanish is the second most spoken language in the world. But here we are using English to communicate on this forum. By the way, English is the third and Hindi/Urdu are the fourth most spoken languages in the world.

The point, and I think you'd agree with it, is that perhaps to promote national team unity, only a common language should be allowed in the dressing room. This banning of one language or the other is pathetic. But I can't see them ever banning Punjabi. We don't have any Sindhi or Balochi in the team so that is a moot point for now.

[moiz]

Saj,

Are Punjabi, Sindhi, Saraiki, Hindko, Balti, Kashmiri, Balochi, etc. are banned too? Or is it only Pushto that is banned?

If it's only Pushto then it's a clear discrimination. Either ALL regional languages should be banned or none.

[Saj]

Originally Posted by moiz Saj, Are Punjabi, Sindhi, Saraiki, Hindko, Balti, Kashmiri, Balochi, etc. are banned too? Or is it only Pushto that is banned? If it's only Pushto then it's a clear discrimination. Either ALL regional languages should be banned or none.

My understanding is that the boys are expected to speak Urdu in the dressing room, which I think is spot on.

A few people getting a bit too territorial in this thread

[srh]

Saj if some of the boys use English do the management mind?

[NJamal]

^ If the news was that "all regional languages are banned including Punjabi & Pashto" then nobody would get territorial but here only Pashto is mentioned so naturally we Pathans will get territorial.

[iRfaN_LA]

Originally Posted by NJamal ^ If the news was that "all regional languages are banned including Punjabi & Pashto" then nobody would get territorial but here only Pashto is mentioned so naturally we Pathans will get territorial.

I agree. I am not a pathan but if the news is "Players should speak urdu in the dressing room", I don't think anyone would have issue with that. If you point out one region, you are asking for trouble.

[w8in_4_0402]

Originally Posted by Saj I only just found out. Apparently Pushto is banned from being spoken in the Pakistan dressing room.

did anyone pay attention. Apparently the source could be wrong but has Saj bhai ever got anything wrong lol

[moiz]

Originally Posted by Saj My understanding is that the boys are expected to speak Urdu in the dressing room, which I think is spot on. A few people getting a bit too territorial in this thread

Thanks! May be it's because of the title of the thread 'Pushto is banned...' rather than 'Regional languages are banned...'

Of course it would be ideal if all the players speak in Urdu only, but at the same time we know that some players are more comfortable in Punjabi than in Urdu, and they express themselves in Punjabi more than Urdu or English while having dinner and sharing jokes together after dinner etc.

I think it's going to be a bit harsh on them to stop them from speaking Punjabi, if the Urdu-only rule gets implemented.

How do you feel about it considering Urdu is not your strong point either?

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Saj My understanding is that the boys are expected to speak Urdu in the dressing room, which I think is spot on. A few people getting a bit too territorial in this thread

Sorry Saj but this is not clear enough. Either they are expected to speak Urdu therefore all regional languages are banned or Pashto is specifically banned, which is it? Why single out Pashto?

[violet_may]

Interesting. How does a team like India deal with players who have various regional backgrounds? They are only allowed to speak in Hindi as well?

I don't think completely banning the language was such a great idea. Maybe, some players are more comfortable with expressing themselves in their native tongue. I can understand that this may cause in-groups, but still, perhaps they should be tackling the main sources of disunity first (before venturing on a "Pushto is banned" policy). If everyone has to speak in Urdu, then I guess it is fine. If only Pushto is banned, then this is problematic (either way, banned or not, there should be some leeway when it comes to speaking in a particular language).

Anyways, how exactly do they enforce this? Even if someone shares a joke in Pushto, they get crucified?

[khan_a]

what about those that dont actually speak urdu. i know for a fact in villages of swat and others towards waziristan etc, some of us dont speak urdu at all. what kind of a message is this to those people, who want to represent there country.