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Old 4th August 2011, 13:39
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The Missing Security Tapes from the World Trade Center

The Missing Security Tapes from the World Trade Center

By Susan Lindauer, former U.S. Asset and 9/11 Whistleblower

Late on the night of August 23, 2001, at about 3 a.m. security cameras in the parking garage of the World Trade Center captured the arrival of two or three truck vans.

Visual examination determined the vans were separate and unique from trucks used by janitorial services, including different colors and devoid of markings. More curious, all the janitorial trucks had pulled out of the Towers by about 2:30 a.m—about half an hour before the second set of vans arrived.

According to my high level State Department source with a top security clearance, who disclosed the unusual nightly activity, no vans matching that description had entered the World Trade Center at such an hour in any of the weeks or months prior to that date. It was a unique event.

Security cameras caught the vans leaving the Towers at approximately 5 a.m—before the first wave of AAA personality types on Wall Street, driving Mercedes and BMWs, arrived to track the markets.

For the next 10 to 12 nights, the same mysterious truck vans arrived at the World Trade Center at the same mysterious hour— after the janitorial crews had left the building and before the most fanatic robber barons on Wall Street showed up for work. The vans appeared at the World Trade Center from approximately August 23, 2001 until September 3 or 4, 2001. After that last night, they never appeared at the Towers again.

The vans were never heard of again, either. The 9/11 Commission was never informed of their surprising presence in the Towers three weeks before the 9/11 attack. Most of the 9/11 Truth Community has no knowledge of this extraordinary nightly activity, either.

For all the public’s ignorance, video from the security cameras could be the most significant missing part of the 9/11 puzzle. This State Department source was convinced the mysterious trucks were used to transport explosives into the building, and that an unidentified orphan team wired the World Trade Center for a controlled demolition in those late night hours. He has stayed quiet to protect his job, his retirement pension and his reputation—knowing that others who spoke up have gotten fired or thrown in prison (myself included).

Controlled Demolition

Other evidence supports a controlled demolition of the Towers, as a supplement to the hijackings. Firefighters and maintenance crews reported hearing explosions popping through the Towers on 9/11. And previous reports indicate that dust from the World Trade Center tested positive for “thermate explosives–” a derivative of a thermite bomb.

A thermite reaction involves a mixture of iron oxide and aluminum, while thermate adds an element of sulfur. When the iron oxide-aluminum mixture is ignited, a super vigorous reaction occurs, creating molten metal—and dust, in the case of thermate. The reaction is extremely exothermic, meaning that a great deal of heat is given off, making for an incredibly powerful reducing agent.

Even so, as the 10 year anniversary of the 9/11 attack approaches, the majority of Americans continue to be confused as to how a controlled demolition scenario fits with the airplane hijackings and aerial strike on the World Trade Center—which the whole world witnessed on play back over and over in the media, until the image was seared like a brand on our collective consciousness.

Until now, there has been a false dichotomy that only one or the other style of attack could have occurred, but never both together. Some parts of the 9/11 Community itself vigorously dispute that both could have occurred as synchronized events. And most of the corporate media refuses to acknowledge the controlled demolition theory whatsoever.

When the public understands 9/11 as a series of Real Time events throughout the month of August, 2001, the unfolding sequence of this tragedy makes a lot more sense.

The difficulty is throwing out everything the public has been taught about 9/11—created for the convenience of politicians and corporate media, who simplified the story for public consumption.

First and foremost, contrary to all media reports and official claims, U.S. and foreign intelligence absolutely expected the 9/11 attack to occur— citing airplane hijackings and a strike on the World Trade Center. Even the time frame was identified precisely—known to be late August through mid-September.

I relate here my own experience as evidence. It has been corroborated in courtroom testimony by Parke Godfrey, a computer science professor at York University in Toronto. He delivered his statement under oath in the Federal Courthouse of the Southern District of New York—1000 yards from where the World Trade Center once graced the skyline.

On August 2, the date of Robert Mueller’s Senate confirmation hearings to become Director of the FBI, my CIA handler, Dr. Richard Fuisz warned me not to travel to New York because the attack on the World Trade Center involving airplane hijackings was “considered imminent,” with the potential for “mass human casualties” and a “possible miniature thermo-nuclear device” (thermite).

Our team aggressively tried to block the conspiracy. But not everyone was on board.

Threats to Iraq

As far back as April and May of 2001, a decision had been made at the top levels of the government that War with Iraq would be in play in the aftermath of a 9/11 scenario.

As the primary Asset covering the Iraqi Embassy in New York, I myself was ordered to threaten Iraqi diplomats with War, if it was determined that Iraq possessed actionable intelligence about the airplane hijacking conspiracy and failed to hand it over through my back channel.

After initially balking at the message, I was informed the threat originated at the highest level of government, above the CIA Director and Secretary of State. That could only be President George Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

Iraqi diplomats threw up their hands: They had nothing to give us, they said. But go ahead, they told me. “Send your FBI. They are welcome in Baghdad. We want peace with America. And maybe they will find something.” For all the brouhaha after 9/11, the fact remains that George Bush took no action on Iraq’s invite.

There was chatter about the 9/11 conspiracy throughout the Intelligence Community all summer long. The greatest part of the Intelligence Community abhorred the scenario. My own Intelligence team, triangulating the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency pushed and pushed for actionable intelligence from Baghdad. However, though we could not understand what the hell was going on, our efforts kept running into a wall of interference from the Justice Department, with only superficial outward support.

For the integrity of history, Americans and the world community have a fundamental right to understand what actions the Intelligence Community did undertake prior to the attack—because it exposes the high level opposition running interference.

August Timeline
On Thursday, August 2, 2001— my CIA handler, Dr. Richard Fuisz and I discussed over the telephone our belief that the attack would be imminent.

On Saturday, August 4– I visited the Iraqi Embassy in New York for the final time before 9/11, pushing for any fragment of actionable intelligence from Baghdad that could pinpoint the conspiracy.

On the weekend of August 4-5—spooky NSA types “visited” the office where I had a part time consulting job. Of course the office was closed for the weekend, and I won’t speculate how they got inside. However, while snooping, they took a “proof of life,” for want of a better expression. It is a physical copy of the Wall Street Journal dated July 30, 2001—the same week as my conversation with Dr. Fuisz— addressed to the company, with the street address and name of the man I had been working for.

The copy of the July 30, 2001 Wall Street Journal surfaced on my desk at home—Nine Years after the attack— while I was traveling in Japan on a speaking tour for the advance release of my book, “Extreme Prejudice: The Terrifying Story of the Patriot Act and the Cover Ups of 9/11 and Iraq,” which features a detailed analysis of our team’s 9/11 warnings, the 9/11 investigation and a comprehensive peace framework developed with Iraqi diplomats. Given the upheaval in my life throughout the intervening decade—including a year’s stint in prison on a Texas military base, while the government covered up my team’s 9/11 warnings and the true facts of Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence— there’s no way a copy of the Wall Street Journal could have survived as desk clutter.

Other Intelligence officers will recognize the significance at once. That hard copy of the Wall Street Journal proves beyond any question that other spooks were tracking our team’s conversations about the conspiracy in “real time” fully 6 weeks before 9/11 occurred. A newspaper would have been thrown out of an office weeks before the attack. Somebody had to grab it up almost immediately after my conversation with Dr. Fuisz.

–See? Other teams tried to put together the attack scenario, too.

All of it points to the frenetic activity in advance of 9/11. There was a lot of action behind the scenes. And Intelligence folk are anything but passive individuals. Quite the opposite, there’s a lot of creative risk-taking and proactive problem solving. None of these people sit on their hands.

Americans still don’t know that:

–On Monday, August 6, I met with Dr. Fuisz and we hammered out a plan of action for alerting the White House that this hijacking conspiracy should move to “emergency status.”

That same Monday, August 6, the CIA handed President Bush a memo warning about an expected terrorist conspiracy involving Al Qaeda. Though I could be mistaken, I have always believed Dr. Fuisz contributed to that report. If not, it proves again that a broad spectrum of U.S. intelligence was moving to high alert status, far enough in advance to block the attack.
Following instructions from Dr. Fuisz, on Tuesday, August 7 or Wednesday, August 8, I placed an emergency call to the private staff of Attorney General John Ashcroft. Identifying myself as the Chief U.S. Intelligence Asset covering Iraq and Libya at the United Nations, I delivered our warning about a conspiracy involving airplane hijackings and a targeted strike on the World Trade Center.

I requested an emergency broadcast alert through all Federal Agencies seeking any fragment of intelligence involving airplane hijackings and a strike on the World Trade Center. I warned the attack was “imminent” with expectations of “mass casualties,” and that it should be regarded as Emergency Status.

Attorney General John Ashcroft’s private staff immediately gave me a telephone number at the Office of Counter-Terrorism, and told me to repeat what I had just told them to the person at that number. Immediately I complied.
Later that week on August 9 or 10, I drove over to the Arlington, Virginia home of my second cousin, Andrew Card— Chief of Staff to President George Bush— ready to deliver the same message. I waited two hours in my car outside of his home. Occasionally neighbors peeked outside their curtains, while I chain smoked cigarettes in the hot car. (Yes, I have quit smoking.) Driving away, I remember thinking that I might be making the greatest mistake of my life.

My Own Private Hell during the Cover Up

I am extremely proud of our team efforts before 9/11 and throughout the 9/11 investigation. For all that, Americans are learning about this very late because I got into great big, bad trouble with the Feds when I tried to talk. I suffered five (5) years of indictment on the Patriot Act and one year of prison on a military base without a trial, when Republicans decided to reinvent the facts about 9/11 and Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence, denying Iraq’s contributions to the 9/11 investigation and the existence of a comprehensive peace framework.

Our relationship soured as I became convinced Republicans at the top echelons allowed 9/11 to happen, killing thousands of innocent Americans and international citizens, so they could build a phony case for War against Iraq and Afghanistan.

I was outraged that the American government has done this to itself—as a pretext for military aggression and massive deficit spending in support of the military industrial complex, which is bankrupting the Middle Class. And I was quite vocal in expressing my belief that Americans have a right to full disclosure about our activities before 9/11 and the Iraqi War. And the devil take politicians!

Without question I posed a grave threat to political grandstanding on 9/11 and the myth of Washington’s “outstanding leadership performance on terrorism.” Many times I have thought of myself as Dorothy in the Land of Oz pulling back the curtain on the Wizard, and exposing his deceit before the hapless, trusting Munchkins.

In truth, the spooks did a great job before 9/11. Everything moved with lightning speed ahead of the threat. We could have stopped 9/11 easily if the Justice Department had fulfilled requests for inter-agency cooperation. There was plenty of time to alert NORAD or post an anti-air craft battery on top of the World Trade Center buildings.

That’s why the GOP leadership had to take me out—because I refused to back off that point. If I had been free, the American people and the world community would have learned the truth much sooner.

Controlled Demolition

Unhappily for all of us, because of private conversations with sources like my State Department colleague, I have reached additional conclusions that our team was not the only one at work before 9/11.

Though none of us expected this to happen, I have come to believe that our efforts collided with a force of equal resistance, in the form of an orphan team also watching the events unfolding like us.

As a long-time participant in multiple terrorism investigations, I have personal knowledge that most terrorist attacks are noisy, smoky and chaotic— without achieving maximum destruction of the target. The 1993 World Trade Center attack by Ramzi Youseff and Sheikh Abdul Rahmon of Egypt killed 5 people. The bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in the Port of Aden, Yemen killed 12 people. Without extra push, this 9/11 attack would never have killed so many people either—100 people at the very most.

Add to that a recipe of incompetent pilots— who functioned as Intelligence Assets themselves in a few cases— Again from personal experience, I know that Assets are heavily scrutinized at all times by handlers from multiple agencies. I am convinced that an inner circle anticipated the event, and saw that their boys flying those planes could not achieve maximum damage sufficient to achieve their War agenda in Iraq.

I cannot blame Americans for feeling overwhelmed, even heart-broken by these revelations. But bottom line jet fuel fires could not have collapsed both of those Towers, or Building 7, pretty much evaporating the entire steel frame of the buildings into dust and molten steel. Add to that the CIA’s urgent reports that a miniature thermo-nuclear device would be used in the attack—and that’s why I had to stay out of New York City.

The strange nightly activity at the World Trade Center three weeks before the attack clinched it for me. I am 100 percent convinced those Towers were wired for explosives.

Yes, hijacked airplanes struck the towers. But bringing down the Towers to secure War with Iraq required some extra umph.

I cannot speculate who wired the towers with explosives. I could make a guess, but my training as an Asset requires me to stay focused on what I have observed first-hand, and to recognize my own limitations.

So why should the world care? At this point, it is most critical for Americans to stop politicians in Washington from using 9/11 for grandstanding and personal ambitions. The War on Terrorism has perpetrated a fraud on all of us. Those who support the War on Terror are destroying our fiscal economy and our Middle Class.

That’s why Americans must learn the truth about 9/11. It’s reached a crisis point where we must get off this merry-go-round of defense spending. We must end the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Otherwise this fraud of 9/11 is going to ruin our great country for all time.

I only hope it isn’t too late already.



This article may be republished in whole or part with attribution to the author.
Susan Lindauer is the author of “Extreme Prejudice: The Terrifying Story of the Patriot Act and the Cover Ups of 9/11 and Iraq.”
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Old 4th August 2011, 16:07
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Didn't read the entire thing but yeah, one thing for sure, the towers went down with the help of explosives. The vertical descend was a huge giveaway.
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old news.... but who is to talk up to them except Iran nobody dares
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So who were driving the trucks? How many people were involved in the controlled demolition? What about the fire-men police etc, killed in the attack? What about their relatives? How many thousands of people would be involved at all levels for such a massive cover-up? Did not one of them have a conscience of seeing thousands of their fellow country-men killed and each kept quiet?

Heck a politican today cant take a bribe, a goverment cannot cover up war atrocities in a foreign country(Abu-Garibh), wiki-leaks leaks the most sensitive of classified information but you are claiming that an operation on such a massive scale in buildings which housed thousands of people and had to involve all police, goverment, security agencies to be involved in order to succeed did not have one person who felt bad on killing their fellow innocent country-men and all have kept quiet till now? Are you freaking kidding me?

Surely the CIA had to be involved. Then the FBI too needed to be invovled as they did their own investigation. Then NYPD, the local security and the Fire-departmetn who were all closely at the scene and later investigated should be involved in the cover-up too. Plus inside people in the building, goverment agents from different states, different politicians across different parties, all needed to be invovled. And yet none of them, not one had a consicence to report this to the media. If a police-man shoots a criminal accidently, even that get accounted for, but killing thousands of Americans can be hushed up so easily?

Sometimes you just have to use basic common-sense. A person higher up gives an order and thousands of people across all levels just blindly follow it? It does not happen that way. Policemen and soldiers in the past have revolvted against orders to shoot unarmed public even when they were rioting. You dont know human nature if you think that people across departments, agencies and goverment will just all keep quiet on the killing of innocent citizens of their own country, many of them their relatives and friends

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Didn't read the entire thing but yeah, one thing for sure, the towers went down with the help of explosives. The vertical descend was a huge giveaway.
Tall buildings are designed to collapse vertically, not flip over.
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Tall buildings are designed to collapse vertically, not flip over.
That would be defying physics...if the demolition is setup (flawed) a certain way, i.e. at a lower level and with an angle, buildings can topple over...check out some of the building demolitions gone bad videos, there are plenty of those on the internets...
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So who were driving the trucks? How many people were involved in the controlled demolition? What about the fire-men police etc, killed in the attack? What about their relatives? How many thousands of people would be involved at all levels for such a massive cover-up? Did not one of them have a conscience of seeing thousands of their fellow country-men killed and each kept quiet?

Heck a politican today cant take a bribe, a goverment cannot cover up war atrocities in a foreign country(Abu-Garibh), wiki-leaks leaks the most sensitive of classified information but you are claiming that an operation on such a massive scale in buildings which housed thousands of people and had to involve all police, goverment, security agencies to be involved in order to succeed did not have one person who felt bad on killing their fellow innocent country-men and all have kept quiet till now? Are you freaking kidding me?

Surely the CIA had to be involved. Then the FBI too needed to be invovled as they did their own investigation. Then NYPD, the local security and the Fire-departmetn who were all closely at the scene and later investigated should be involved in the cover-up too. Plus inside people in the building, goverment agents from different states, different politicians across different parties, all needed to be invovled. And yet none of them, not one had a consicence to report this to the media. If a police-man shoots a criminal accidently, even that get accounted for, but killing thousands of Americans can be hushed up so easily?

Sometimes you just have to use basic common-sense. A person higher up gives an order and thousands of people across all levels just blindly follow it? It does not happen that way. Policemen and soldiers in the past have revolvted against orders to shoot unarmed public even when they were rioting. You dont know human nature if you think that people across departments, agencies and goverment will just all keep quiet on the killing of innocent citizens of their own country, many of them their relatives and friends
all of them are collateral damage for the bigger cause... you may call them conspiracy theories, but there must be some truth in them.
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Read the whole article before you make your judgement the person who wrote this was US Intelligence official and she warned the government before the attacks about hijacking of planes but nothing was done.
She was put in milatary prison for questioning the official 9-11 story.
Also the fire crew and police also reported explosions going off just before the buildings came down this can also be verified by the janitor who worked in one of those towers and was the last person to come out. http://www.william911.com/
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Read the whole article before you make your judgement the person who wrote this was US Intelligence official and she warned the government before the attacks about hijacking of planes but nothing was done.
She was put in milatary prison for questioning the official 9-11 story.
Also the fire crew and police also reported explosions going off just before the buildings came down this can also be verified by the janitor who worked in one of those towers and was the last person to come out. http://www.william911.com/
Hmm..did a quick search on her. First off, she was not put in a military prison for questioning the official story. You can search on the reasons.

Secondly, I always wonder about this batch of "9/11 truthers" who claim to have had info prior to the attacks. Why come out after the attacks and not before? Surely, she went all over trying to present her case IN THE MEDIA AFTER the attacks. Why not before if she knew about it? Go figure.

And while you are at it, I think we should focus our resources on bring out the truth on older cover-ups first a la the moon landing hoax. ;)
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So who were driving the trucks? How many people were involved in the controlled demolition? What about the fire-men police etc, killed in the attack? What about their relatives? How many thousands of people would be involved at all levels for such a massive cover-up? Did not one of them have a conscience of seeing thousands of their fellow country-men killed and each kept quiet?

Heck a politican today cant take a bribe, a goverment cannot cover up war atrocities in a foreign country(Abu-Garibh), wiki-leaks leaks the most sensitive of classified information but you are claiming that an operation on such a massive scale in buildings which housed thousands of people and had to involve all police, goverment, security agencies to be involved in order to succeed did not have one person who felt bad on killing their fellow innocent country-men and all have kept quiet till now? Are you freaking kidding me?

Surely the CIA had to be involved. Then the FBI too needed to be invovled as they did their own investigation. Then NYPD, the local security and the Fire-departmetn who were all closely at the scene and later investigated should be involved in the cover-up too. Plus inside people in the building, goverment agents from different states, different politicians across different parties, all needed to be invovled. And yet none of them, not one had a consicence to report this to the media. If a police-man shoots a criminal accidently, even that get accounted for, but killing thousands of Americans can be hushed up so easily?

Sometimes you just have to use basic common-sense. A person higher up gives an order and thousands of people across all levels just blindly follow it? It does not happen that way. Policemen and soldiers in the past have revolvted against orders to shoot unarmed public even when they were rioting. You dont know human nature if you think that people across departments, agencies and goverment will just all keep quiet on the killing of innocent citizens of their own country, many of them their relatives and friends
i saw footages of interview of survivors who did claim that they heard the explosions after the impact. But the same people changed their tune after somedays while interviewed.... Why? Only they know....

Some firefighters also claim that they did heard explosions and it wasn't just of collapse but of a explosion due to a small bomb. But whole al qaeda fiasco got so much big that this issue got down....

And in case of pentagon, the security agencies took away the security tapes of that hotel opposite to pentagon which recorded the impact, before media could arrive....

I am not saying this is the truth. But cover ups may happen when national security is concerned. The gov can even control the media (which information should be publish and which shouldn't be.)at those moments. So big cover ups aren't out of equation.
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all of them are collateral damage for the bigger cause... you may call them conspiracy theories, but there must be some truth in them.
Why must there?
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It's way too late now khan92.

Even if it was found out now that 9/11 was an inside job/controlled demolition ... nothing really would be done. The stigma surrounding muslims would not change, the validity of the wars in Iraq/Afghan would not be questioned any more than they are now. They might sink one or two higher level officials from the 9/11 era in the public sphere to appease the people, but otherwise nothing will change.
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Why are people so keen to believe conspiracy theories (which all have huge holes in them) over facts out in the open?
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Legal Eye when so many questions are left unanswered there's bound to be a lot of questions raised over the 'official' story.
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Why are people so keen to believe conspiracy theories (which all have huge holes in them) over facts out in the open?
you're hopeless lol
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Legal Eye when so many questions are left unanswered there's bound to be a lot of questions raised over the 'official' story.
But every single conspiracy theory has many many more questions and holes in it, yet people (mainly Muslims) are more eager to believe them. why?
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But every single conspiracy theory has many many more questions and holes in it, yet people (mainly Muslims) are more eager to believe them. why?
Not just Muslims. It seems to me that youngsters of all backgrounds are more likely to believe some internet rumour such as "Controlled demolition" or "Faked Moon landings" than they are to look at the evidence and think critically.
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The way the towers came down is a big question mark. At the very start, there were reports about some people talking about explosions but media did not really pursue those accounts. There was one report that some people were caught making video and celebrating when 9/11 happened but those people turned out to be israeli citizens and were let go. Again media did not really pursue that story.

There is lot of gray area about 9/11 which we may never find out or if we get lucky may find out in 5-10 years.

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I don't get this double standard....

When medias from other countries (excluding usa, uk and a few) reports, they are called rubbish and their reports are called "conspiracy theories."

but when usa, uk media reports, it becomes a "fact" and talking against them becomes conspirators....

Dammn.... The american, british media reporters are angels!
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The way the towers came down is a big question mark. At the very start, there were reports about some people talking about explosions but media did not really pursue those accounts. There was one report that some people were caught making video and celebrating when 9/11 happened but those people turned out to be israeli citizens and were let go. Again media did not really pursue that story.

There is lot of gray area about 9/11 which we may never find out or if we get lucky may find out in 5-10 years.
One of the many so called "facts" purporting around which is pure made up BS.

This one, plus the one that says how 4000 or so Jews working in the WTC took off that day and no Jews/Israelis were killed on 9/11. I did my research and wasn't surprised. The news was published first in a Lebanese newspaper and then in a Russian newspaper, without any verified sources. And then a look over the list of the dead knock a punch to this BS claim since there are Jewish names on it too. And not to mention actual (Jewish) families mourning over the death of their family member who died during 9/11.
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One of the many so called "facts" purporting around which is pure made up BS.

This one, plus the one that says how 4000 or so Jews working in the WTC took off that day and no Jews/Israelis were killed on 9/11. I did my research and wasn't surprised. The news was published first in a Lebanese newspaper and then in a Russian newspaper, without any verified sources. And then a look over the list of the dead knock a punch to this BS claim since there are Jewish names on it too. And not to mention actual (Jewish) families mourning over the death of their family member who died during 9/11.
About "There was one report that some people were caught making video and celebrating when 9/11 happened but those people turned out to be israeli citizens and were let go." It was published on CBS's website on 9/11. I read it myself on 9/11. Other american media also reported it. Initially police thought those people were muslim arabs because they looked like middle eastern. But then FBI find out that they were Israeli citizens and were let go.

Some of the links (you can get other links on internet):
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...eisraelis.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC.html

Next time please do some reasearch before dismissing a fact.

Last edited by srh; 5th August 2011 at 19:30.
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Old 5th August 2011, 20:50
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Originally Posted by srh
About "There was one report that some people were caught making video and celebrating when 9/11 happened but those people turned out to be israeli citizens and were let go." It was published on CBS's website on 9/11. I read it myself on 9/11. Other american media also reported it. Initially police thought those people were muslim arabs because they looked like middle eastern. But then FBI find out that they were Israeli citizens and were let go.

Some of the links (you can get other links on internet):
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...eisraelis.html
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/09/WTC.html

Next time please do some reasearch before dismissing a fact.
Going by the type of sources you have posted, here we go then.

http://www.911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html

To make it specific, those people are allegedly Mossad agents not regular Israeli citizens (sure you wouldn't say that regular Israeli citizens knew about any secret plans right?). Now if they were Mossad agents, from one of the world's top spy agencies, you think they after carrying out such a mission, they would set up cameras and be celebrating out in the open?
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Old 5th August 2011, 22:25
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Here is an old article of Robert Fisk, and imo he raises some valid points here.

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Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11
Each time I lecture abroad on the Middle East, there is always someone in the audience – just one – whom I call the "raver". Apologies here to all the men and women who come to my talks with bright and pertinent questions – often quite humbling ones for me as a journalist – and which show that they understand the Middle East tragedy a lot better than the journalists who report it. But the "raver" is real. He has turned up in corporeal form in Stockholm and in Oxford, in Sao Paulo and in Yerevan, in Cairo, in Los Angeles and, in female form, in Barcelona. No matter the country, there will always be a "raver".

His – or her – question goes like this. Why, if you believe you're a free journalist, don't you report what you really know about 9/11? Why don't you tell the truth – that the Bush administration (or the CIA or Mossad, you name it) blew up the twin towers? Why don't you reveal the secrets behind 9/11? The assumption in each case is that Fisk knows – that Fisk has an absolute concrete, copper-bottomed fact-filled desk containing final proof of what "all the world knows" (that usually is the phrase) – who destroyed the twin towers. Sometimes the "raver" is clearly distressed. One man in Cork screamed his question at me, and then – the moment I suggested that his version of the plot was a bit odd – left the hall, shouting abuse and kicking over chairs.

Usually, I have tried to tell the "truth"; that while there are unanswered questions about 9/11, I am the Middle East correspondent of The Independent, not the conspiracy correspondent; that I have quite enough real plots on my hands in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Iran, the Gulf, etc, to worry about imaginary ones in Manhattan. My final argument – a clincher, in my view – is that the Bush administration has screwed up everything – militarily, politically diplomatically – it has tried to do in the Middle East; so how on earth could it successfully bring off the international crimes against humanity in the United States on 11 September 2001?

Well, I still hold to that view. Any military which can claim – as the Americans did two days ago – that al-Qa'ida is on the run is not capable of carrying out anything on the scale of 9/11. "We disrupted al-Qa'ida, causing them to run," Colonel David Sutherland said of the preposterously code-named "Operation Lightning Hammer" in Iraq's Diyala province. "Their fear of facing our forces proves the terrorists know there is no safe haven for them." And more of the same, all of it untrue.

Within hours, al-Qa'ida attacked Baquba in battalion strength and slaughtered all the local sheikhs who had thrown in their hand with the Americans. It reminds me of Vietnam, the war which George Bush watched from the skies over Texas – which may account for why he this week mixed up the end of the Vietnam war with the genocide in a different country called Cambodia, whose population was eventually rescued by the same Vietnamese whom Mr Bush's more courageous colleagues had been fighting all along.

But – here we go. I am increasingly troubled at the inconsistencies in the official narrative of 9/11. It's not just the obvious non sequiturs: where are the aircraft parts (engines, etc) from the attack on the Pentagon? Why have the officials involved in the United 93 flight (which crashed in Pennsylvania) been muzzled? Why did flight 93's debris spread over miles when it was supposed to have crashed in one piece in a field? Again, I'm not talking about the crazed "research" of David Icke's Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster – which should send any sane man back to reading the telephone directory.

I am talking about scientific issues. If it is true, for example, that kerosene burns at 820C under optimum conditions, how come the steel beams of the twin towers – whose melting point is supposed to be about 1,480C – would snap through at the same time? (They collapsed in 8.1 and 10 seconds.) What about the third tower – the so-called World Trade Centre Building 7 (or the Salmon Brothers Building) – which collapsed in 6.6 seconds in its own footprint at 5.20pm on 11 September? Why did it so neatly fall to the ground when no aircraft had hit it? The American National Institute of Standards and Technology was instructed to analyse the cause of the destruction of all three buildings. They have not yet reported on WTC 7. Two prominent American professors of mechanical engineering – very definitely not in the "raver" bracket – are now legally challenging the terms of reference of this final report on the grounds that it could be "fraudulent or deceptive".

Journalistically, there were many odd things about 9/11. Initial reports of reporters that they heard "explosions" in the towers – which could well have been the beams cracking – are easy to dismiss. Less so the report that the body of a female air crew member was found in a Manhattan street with her hands bound. OK, so let's claim that was just hearsay reporting at the time, just as the CIA's list of Arab suicide-hijackers, which included three men who were – and still are – very much alive and living in the Middle East, was an initial intelligence error.

But what about the weird letter allegedly written by Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian hijacker-murderer with the spooky face, whose "Islamic" advice to his gruesome comrades – released by the CIA – mystified every Muslim friend I know in the Middle East? Atta mentioned his family – which no Muslim, however ill-taught, would be likely to include in such a prayer. He reminds his comrades-in-murder to say the first Muslim prayer of the day and then goes on to quote from it. But no Muslim would need such a reminder – let alone expect the text of the "Fajr" prayer to be included in Atta's letter.

Let me repeat. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Spare me the ravers. Spare me the plots. But like everyone else, I would like to know the full story of 9/11, not least because it was the trigger for the whole lunatic, meretricious "war on terror" which has led us to disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan and in much of the Middle East. Bush's happily departed adviser Karl Rove once said that "we're an empire now – we create our own reality". True? At least tell us. It would stop people kicking over chairs.
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