India has to admit the fact that...

[PennOne]

Pakistan was a much much tougher opponent for England in England last summer.

[Energy]

Was there ever a doubt?

[IAJ]

What I have seen so far, no doubt about that. But India can still bounce back.

[Cracket]

Implying Pakistan would even pose India a challenge in tests today? lawl

[JibranAnsari]

yes in one test, in other three tests pakistan was completely thrashed. an innings and 200 runs loss , 354 runs loss and 9 wickets loss.

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by Cracket Implying Pakistan would even pose India a challenge in tests today? lawl

thats why india chicken out playing against pak. lawl?

[kkmix]

lol Pakistan would beat India 8 out of 10 times if they are to play in England.

[Imy]

You cant count the last test we know what mental shape Pak was in playing that game

[velu]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari yes in one test, in other three tests pakistan was completely thrashed. an innings and 200 runs loss , 354 runs loss and 9 wickets loss.

we are not doing anything better

[Cracket]

Originally Posted by kkmix lol Pakistan would beat India 8 out of 10 times if they are to play in England.

Haha now that is what I call delusion. Keep it up, rofl

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Originally Posted by Cracket Implying Pakistan would even pose India a challenge in tests today? lawl

i think if India plays pakistan in England...it will be a very even series..

offcourse on flat tracks of India...it will hardly be a contest as Pakistan T20 specialists are no match for India's T20 specialists in Tests

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Originally Posted by velu we are not doing anything better

actually you are doing much much worse...and it only gets worse if you take into account that Pakistan actually was playing with only 8 legitimate players

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Originally Posted by Cracket Haha now that is what I call delusion. Keep it up, rofl

lol says the supporter of a team that at current form seem to have no clue what test cricket actually is

[SID_ZONE]

Originally Posted by kkmix lol Pakistan would beat India 8 out of 10 times if they are to play in England.

Without your banned bowlers Asif and Aamir? lol

PK would have had Five-fer's in all innings he bowled against your mediocre batsmen

[Looney]

No Shilpa Shetty in England to motivate the boyses

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by Cracket Haha now that is what I call delusion. Keep it up, rofl

haha try to score 300 first then talk ... there is no proof that suggest to us that Indian batting is Superior in English condition.

[hayat]

Is this like a 'fun' thread..?

[Looney]

Originally Posted by SID_ZONE Without your banned bowlers Asif and Aamir? lol PK would have had Five-fer's in all innings he bowled against your mediocre batsmen

we heard them " woulda couldas " before the England tour too

[ethan hunt]

well we beat australia too didnt we ??..... this indian sde is playing so poorly that i suspect that even newzealand would outperform them in these conditions .... and all those indian trolls who feel tht india can beat pakistan in these conditions should look no further than the karachi test , similar conditions and we all know what happened

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by SID_ZONE Without your banned bowlers Asif and Aamir? lol PK would have had Five-fer's in all innings he bowled against your mediocre batsmen

lol we managed to beat England despite of our 'mediocre batsmen' ... now that our 'mediocre batsmen' could win a game against England, then what does it make your batsmen?

[Dann]

Let this test match finish, and we shall find out if they played as bad as us. Really, was expecting way more of a contest from the #1 side.

[s2k]

LOL India performing bad in a test series for the 1st time in 3 years...and the fans of a team which has won just 1 series during that time compare India with their team.....regardless of India drawing or losing the series......they are a far better side than Pakistan.

[abc_to_xyz]

Correction. before trio got banned

[Looney]

Originally Posted by s2k LOL India performing bad in a test series for the 1st time in 3 years...and the fans of a team which has won just 1 series during that time compare India with their team.....regardless of India drawing or losing the series......they are a far better side than Pakistan.

Lame


Pakistani fans are not as arrogant as you guys

[SID_ZONE]

Originally Posted by kkmix lol we managed to beat England despite of our 'mediocre batsmen' ... now that our 'mediocre batsmen' could win a game against England, then what does it make your batsmen?

Beautifully set up 'tainted' players!

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by s2k LOL India performing bad in a test series for the 1st time in 3 years...and the fans of a team which has won just 1 series during that time compare India with their team.....regardless of India drawing or losing the series......they are a far better side than Pakistan.

lol this is also the first time you're touring England in 3 years ... tour more often, you will have more bad series. Heck, just tour WI more often, you will find yourself in trouble.

[SID_ZONE]

Originally Posted by Looney Lame Pakistani fans are not as arrogant as you guys

Too sad Pakistani fans could be arrogant only when they talk of 1990's

[s2k]

Originally Posted by Looney Lame Pakistani fans are not as arrogant as you guys

Well when a team hasnt lost a test series in 3 years and is the WC champs.........

You need something to be arrogant.....

[SID_ZONE]

Originally Posted by kkmix lol this is also the first time you're touring England in 3 years ... tour more often, you will have more bad series. Heck, just tour WI, you will find yourself in trouble.

Toured countries like Australia, New Zealand and South Africa without damaging any reputation

[s2k]

Originally Posted by kkmix lol this is also the first time you're touring England in 3 years

They have not beaten us in a series in 15 years....

I can well forgive my team for losing a series in 3 years........doesnt take away anything from their brilliant display for 3 years.....

[Looney]

Originally Posted by SID_ZONE Too sad Pakistani fans could be arrogant only when they talk of 1990's

Lol duh becuase you avoid us like plague now in fear of getting PWNED

[asian123]

If Younis, Misbah, Yousuf and Hafeez were playing in that tour, it would've been a much better performance

[IgnitedMind]

This is definately a bad performance from India. But we are seeing this after a long long time.

Its amazing how everybody in India is pathetic according to some people here but yet find to be one of best teams in the recent past.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by kkmix lol this is also the first time you're touring England in 3 years ... tour more often, you will have more bad series. Heck, just tour WI more often, you will find yourself in trouble.

We have toured everywhere except Australia in last 3 years.....


We do much better than your team....

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by SID_ZONE Toured countries like Australia, New Zealand and South Africa without damaging any reputation

lol you lost to Australia - so did Pakistan

You won to New Zealand - so did Pakistan

You drew the series to SA - so did Pakistan

go figure number one team.

[IgnitedMind]

How you lost matters mate!!!!

[s2k]

Originally Posted by Looney Lol duh becuase you avoid us like plague now in fear of getting PWNED

Well the SL team nearly got killed for touring Pakistan.........sorry...we dont take that risk.......

Pwned..........by the team which cant even beat WI in a test series....we beat them with half our team..........

[90MPH]

India are not going to win 1 test match. They are going to lose this Test match for sure (given their toothless attack), and at best they will get a draw at the Oval.
Pakistan had poor batting line up, but India have a much stronger batting but to perform this poorly must be extremely disappointing I suspect for most Indian fans despite by some the usual bravado in this thread.

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by navroks123 How you lost matters mate!!!!

sure ... we will discuss this after this england tour.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by kkmix lol you lost to Australia - so did Pakistan You won to New Zealand - so did Pakistan You drew the series to SA - so did Pakistan go figure number one team.

You lost to Aus home and away

you lost to SA away drew at home

You beat NZ zway

We lost to AUS 2-1 away.....beat them 2-0 at home

Drew with SA 1-1 home and away

Beat NZ home and Away.


Your team has won a grand total of 1 test againist AUS in 16 years.......havent won a test in Aus and Sa for a long long time.....

Go figure why your team is lying 6 in tests.

[IgnitedMind]

Originally Posted by 90MPH India are not going to win 1 test match. They are going to lose this Test match for sure (given their toothless attack), and at best they will get a draw at the Oval. Pakistan had poor batting line up, but India have a much stronger batting but to perform this poorly must be extremely disappointing I suspect for most Indian fans despite by some the usual bravado in this thread.

Ofcourse it is , I will be in tune with people say we are playing pathetic cricket AT THE MOMENT!!But the reaction of calling every player pathetic,dissmissing what the team did in last 2 to 3 years is what attracts an arguement!

[90MPH]

Pakistan actually drew a test series with Australia last year. And we did win a Test match in SA the last time we toured in 2007.

[ethan hunt]

its high time that the ICC inorder to save cricket from further one sided contests like these takes away indias test status and gives it to a more deserving side like ireland IMO..

[IgnitedMind]

Originally Posted by ethan hunt its high time that the ICC inorder to save cricket from further one sided contests like these takes away indias test status and gives it to a more deserving side like ireland IMO..

Okay Sir.

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by 90MPH Pakistan actually drew a test series with Australia last year. And we did win a Test match in SA the last time we toured in 2007.

Oh yes my bad ... Pakistan drew the away series to Australia while India lost ... says a lot about number one team.

[Blitz]

Originally Posted by ethan hunt its high time that the ICC inorder to save cricket from further one sided contests like these takes away indias test status and gives it to a more deserving side like ireland IMO..india should play alongside the likes of papua new gunea and namibia for an year or two to improve .

Agreed.

[90MPH]

Originally Posted by navroks123 Ofcourse it is , I will be in tune with people say we are playing pathetic cricket AT THE MOMENT!!But the reaction of calling every player pathetic,dissmissing what the team did in last 2 to 3 years is what attracts an arguement!

Well its just a bit of banter. No one really thinks India are a bad side but I just think most have been surprised by the way the Indian team seems to be surrendering (bar Dravid and some fight by Dhoni today) - everyone was expecting a much tougher and tighter series, whoever they were rooting for.

[Sledger]

Am I missing something? When did Australia beat Pakistan at home? I didn't know Imran Farhat and co lived in England.. and when did this mythical series against NZ 'at home' occur? As if that wasn't enough, Pakistan won a test on their last tour to SA.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by 90MPH India are not going to win 1 test match. They are going to lose this Test match for sure (given their toothless attack), and at best they will get a draw at the Oval. Pakistan had poor batting line up, but India have a much stronger batting but to perform this poorly must be extremely disappointing I suspect for most Indian fans despite by some the usual bravado in this thread.

Yes we are disappointed........but then this team has done remarkbly well in last 3 years....and one bad series was going to happen sometime.....i hope this is just one off bad series and the team regroups well for the AUS series.

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by ethan hunt its high time that the ICC inorder to save cricket from further one sided contests like these takes away indias test status and gives it to a more deserving side like ireland IMO..india should play alongside the likes of papua new guinea and namibia for an year or two to improve .

lol agreed ... now at least the Indians will not talk about two-tier system. This series will put them back to their place.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by Cracket Implying Pakistan would even pose India a challenge in tests today? lawl

India would beat Pakistan in a series if they played them where ever. If India played Pakistan in England they would win.

India haven't exactly played to their full potential in England.

But yes fact remains that with our weak team, Pakistan won a test. India so far have failed to do that. In the test we won, we also passed 300. Which India have failed to do. India's batting hasn't been great and neither has the bowling. Our bowling was very good.

Pakistan were trashed in the other three tests, but India again has been soundly and convincingly beaten too in their tests too.

There's nothing wrong with the OP's statement.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by Sledger Am I missing something? When did Australia beat Pakistan at home? I didn't know Imran Farhat and co lived in England.. and when did this mythical series against NZ 'at home' occur? As if that wasn't enough, Pakistan won a test on their last tour to SA.

It is not our fault that you guys cant play your home series at home but have to play them in UAE or England or NZ.......they are home series............

[90MPH]

Originally Posted by s2k Yes we are disappointed........but then this team has done remarkbly well in last 3 years....and one bad series was going to happen sometime.....i hope this is just one off bad series and the team regroups well for the AUS series.

Yeah sure they have, but a tour like England is a real test no matter how well you have done in the past.
Anyway I just think England deserved to be Number at this moment as they seem a very good Test side. Im sure India will do better in the ODIs.

[Namak_Halaal]

If you think this is bad, wait till the FAB4 retire, it'll be the Lehman Brothers of cricket!

[s2k]

Originally Posted by 90MPH Well its just a bit of banter. No one really thinks India are a bad side but I just think most have been surprised by the way the Indian team seems to be surrendering (bar Dravid and some fight by Dhoni today) - everyone was expecting a much tougher and tighter series, whoever they were rooting for.

Originally Posted by kkmix lol agreed ... now at least the Indians will not talk about two-tier system. This series will put them back to their place.

No.6 team telling that no.1 teams status should be taken away...even if we lose this series we will end up 2nd or 3rd......far above 6th.....so in case of a two tier system.......Pakistan will still be in bottom 5 and India top 5........

[kkmix]

I think even Bangladesh will be number one if they play as many games as India at home.

[Sledger]

Having to play 'a home' series in 3 seperate countries surely gives you an answer and is a contradiction in terms in itself. At the moment Pakistan are a nomadic team, all cricket they play is away cricket.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by 90MPH Yeah sure they have, but a tour like England is a real test no matter how well you have done in the past. Anyway I just think England deserved to be Number at this moment as they seem a very good Test side. Im sure India will do better in the ODIs.

India beat them home and away and havent lost to them in 15 years....so we have done quite well in England in last 15 years.....this is just that one bad series.......let England step outside England....and we will know how well they do.......i bet on this.....their bowlers wont be able to buy a wicket outside England.

[IgnitedMind]

Originally Posted by kkmix lol agreed ... now at least the Indians will not talk about two-tier system. This series will put them back to their place.

You mean the second rank. Fine if it puts back to our place..we will improve. The way you say it..as if thats our permanent position is probably coming from the pessimism of watching Pak cricket for so long. Everybody will be put in their place...England 1, India 2, and Pakistan 6th. Thats what they deserva and thats where they stand AT THE MOMENT. Tommarow it changes with whoever plays better cricket..

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by s2k No.6 team telling that no.1 teams status should be taken away...even if we lose this series we will end up 2nd or 3rd......far above 6th.....so in case of a two tier system.......Pakistan will still be in bottom 5 and India top 5........

lol take out all the games you've played in India at home in last 3 years ... then do the comparison where your team stands ... this is the case with Pakistan sir

[s2k]

Originally Posted by Sledger Having to play 'a home' series in 3 seperate countries surely gives you an answer and is a contradiction in terms in itself. At the moment Pakistan are a nomadic team, all cricket they play is away cricket.

Thats your fault not anyone's elses.......

[Sledger]

Whoever's fault it is is not relevant to the point being made.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by kkmix lol take out all the games you've played in India at home in last 3 years ... then do the comparison where your team stands ... this is the case with Pakistan sir

People play in India because they dont get fired upon........Last time Australia or Sa played in Pakistan........they beat you.......even Lanka had you on the mat in that ill fated 2008 series.....

[rhussain33]

Originally Posted by kkmix lol Pakistan would beat India 8 out of 10 times if they are to play in England.

Originally Posted by UsmanhailsAfridi i think if India plays pakistan in England...it will be a very even series..

Thats only if the greatest test new ball pair of recent times were playing which they wont ((

[IgnitedMind]

Originally Posted by kkmix lol take out all the games you've played in India at home in last 3 years ... then do the comparison where your team stands ... this is the case with Pakistan sir

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ults;type=team

We stand 3rd from 1st jan 2008 !!!!

[kkmix]

Originally Posted by s2k People play in India because they dont get fired upon........Last time Australia or Sa played in Pakistan........they beat you.......even Lanka had you on the mat in that ill fated 2008 series.....

Now you have brought me to your level, and ready to kill me with your experience .

I am out. Cya.

[emclub]

Forget Pakistan, Bangladesh performed better than the so called 'BEST BATTING LINEUP IN THE WORLD' pathetic really, embarrassing

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by Sledger Whoever's fault it is is not relevant to the point being made.

s2k has a lot of anger brewing inside of him given the pasting he, and his team, has received in the past month or so. S2k is looking to settle scores.

[farazaidi]

Originally Posted by s2k Thats your fault not anyone's elses.......

Be careful there, you are treading on thin ice.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by Sledger Whoever's fault it is is not relevant to the point being made.

It is..........since it was your pathetic board which let this happen.......and if i am not wrong Ijaz Butt was the Chairman then and still is........so much for accountability.

[90MPH]

Originally Posted by s2k No.6 team telling that no.1 teams status should be taken away...even if we lose this series we will end up 2nd or 3rd......far above 6th.....so in case of a two tier system.......Pakistan will still be in bottom 5 and India top 5........

Don't get too emotional. Rankings to me are overrated in the last few years. Apart from England , In my opinion there is not a massive gap between sides ranked 2 to 7.
Its all about winning crunch Test series at this moment as no team has totally dominated Test cricket for the last 4 or 5 years like the last great Australian team before 2005 or the West Indies of the 80s.
For me a team deserves Number 1 if they win Test series not just at home or even away consistently, but also convincingly like 3-0 or 3-1.
England are not just beating India but they are outclassing in them in every way, and their results in the last few years have shown why they deserve to be number 1.

[farazaidi]

Originally Posted by s2k People play in India because they dont get fired upon........Last time Australia or Sa played in Pakistan........they beat you.......even Lanka had you on the mat in that ill fated 2008 series.....

nice try to deviate from the topic, still doesnt change the fact that Pakistan performed much better than the so-called no.1 team on their last tour to England.

[Sledger]

Sri Lanka toured Pakistan in 2009 and not 2008 and Younis 'on the mat' Khan scored a triple century as Pakistan piled on 765 against Vaas, Murali and Mendis.

[Sledger]

Originally Posted by s2k It is..........since it was your pathetic board which let this happen.......and if i am not wrong Ijaz Butt was the Chairman then and still is........so much for accountability.

What are you blabbering on about?

It may be relevant to WHY Pakistan have to play away from home but how is it relevant to the fact that UAE, NZ and England are NOT the same as playing 'at home'.

[LegendsXI]

Why you guys sprinkling salt on the Blue worm. They are hurt, delusional and hence acting like Indian fans. Let them be.

[DramaHai]

dude congrats. you also have more alphabets in your countries name

[s2k]

Originally Posted by 90MPH Don't get too emotional. Rankings to me are overrated in the last few years. Apart from England , In my opinion there is not a massive gap between sides ranked 2 to 7. Its all about winning crunch Test series at this moment as no team has totally dominated Test cricket for the last 4 or 5 years like the last great Australian team before 2005 or the West Indies of the 80s. For me a team deserves Number 1 if they win Test series not just at home or even away consistently, but also convincingly like 3-0 or 3-1. England are not just beating India but they are outclassing in them in every way, and their results in the last few years have shown why they deserve to be number 1.

Sorry but the ICC doesnt take your opinion...if there will be a 2 tier system it will be based on the ranking and not your opinion.....

England havent won a series in the subcontinent in many many years........let me tell you something......Pakistan will beat them hands down in UAE......because the bowl wont swing and they cant play spin......England are massively overrated........Let them win a few series outside England and you will see......the top 3 are pretty close....with no one beating the other home or away consistently.......Lanka are lambs outside Lanka and AUS are in rebuilding phase.....WI NZ and PAK are closely together....with all 3 capable of beating each other....

[Sledger]

Originally Posted by DramaHai you also have more alphabets in your countries name

The word is letters, son.. letters.

[90MPH]

You knock one down, then another one pops up.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by Sledger Sri Lanka toured Pakistan in 2009 and not 2008 and Younis 'on the mat' Khan scored a triple century as Pakistan piled on 765 against Vaas, Murali and Mendis.

that was a typo sorry..........And what was the score that Lanka had in the 1st innings?