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Old 23rd August 2011, 16:38
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Tendulkar vs Dravid vs Ponting vs Lara

So many threads praising Rahul Dravid on PP recently, some rating Dravid higher than Sachin due to his better record in England conditions. Let's compare 5 legends -

Career averages -
1. Kallis - 57
2. Sachin - 56
3. Ponting - 53
4. Dravid - 53
5. Lara - 52

1. Dravid - 68 average in England
2. Sachin - 54
3. Lara - 48
4. Ponting - 41
5. Kallis - 29

Dravid is head and shoulders above Sachin, Lara, Kallis and Ponting in England.

1. Sachin - 58 average in Australia
2. Ponting - 57
3. Dravid - 48
4. Kallis - 45
5. Lara - 41

1. Kallis - 59 average in South Africa
2. Ponting - 54
3. Sachin - 46
3. Lara - 46
4. Dravid - 29

Now in India -
1. Kallis - 58
2. Sachin - 56
3. Dravid - 50
4. Lara - 33
5. Ponting - 26

Interesting to say the least.

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Old 23rd August 2011, 16:50
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So many threads praising Rahul Dravid on PP recently, some rating Dravid higher than Sachin due to his better record in England conditions. Let's compare 4 legends -
@ the premise of this thread.

Another SRT fan telling us mortals what we should think.

Get over it, some of us rate Dravid over SRT regardless of conditions.

It's not all about stats.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 16:54
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@OP its not about stats always. Dravid has been as important to us if not more as Sachin has. Its ridiculous to compare Dravid and Sachin, firstly because they play for same team and secondly they bat at diff position.

Dravid vs Ponting vs Lara is debatable though, as they all played at no.3 for a good part of their careers.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 16:57
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:11
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1. Lara

then the rest in whichever order you want...
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:14
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Sachin is the best of them all. Take his odi record and there comes no batsman closer to him.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:25
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What a joke. Wheres Kallis? Same era!

I'll enlighten you:

Lara > Kallis > Ponting > Dravid > Tendulker.


Call me biased, but if I was given a choice, I would chose them in that order, to play for Pakistan.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:28
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Lol at the insecurities even though tendulkar is the leading run scorer and has a zillion centuries his fans are rightly having to justify his claim.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:29
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Dravid is definately superior to Lara . Scoring meaningless 375 & 400 dont mean anything significant
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:29
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Dravid - Tendulkar - Kallis - Lara - Ponting
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:33
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Dravid is definately superior to Lara . Scoring meaningless 375 & 400 dont mean anything significant
Nope, Lara was the greatest of our time. Numbers cannot express his greatness.


30s-40s = Don Bradman


50s-60s = Gary Sobers


70s-80s = Viv Richards


90s-00s = Brian Lara
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tendulkar is an average bowler bully....
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:37
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tendulkar is an average bowler bully....
Hmmm I don't agree, he dominated bopara and pietersen with ease
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tendulkar is an average bowler bully....
Sachin ''I am number 4'' Tendulker is an old ball bully as well.
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Nope, Lara was the greatest of our time. Numbers cannot express his greatness.


30s-40s = Don Bradman


50s-60s = Gary Sobers


70s-80s = Viv Richards


90s-00s = Brian Lara
yes just as Prasad/Srinath were greater than Wasim/Waqar because stats dont represent greatness.
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yes just as Prasad/Srinath were greater than Wasim/Waqar because stats dont represent greatness.
If you say so.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:43
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yes just as Prasad/Srinath were greater than Wasim/Waqar because stats dont represent greatness.
If you watched cricket in the 90's and you think that Prasad/Srinath were greater than Wasim/Waqar then there is no problem, you will just have to do two things immediately :
1. Go to the doctor
2. Stop watching cricket!

Stats are good to compare player that you didn't watch play.
But the ultimate thing you need to compare two players is to watch them bat live over a long term in their career.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:44
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Sachin ''I am number 4'' Tendulker is an old ball bully as well.
Very good point....

Batsmen at number 3.... players I have a lot of time for....

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=batting
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:47
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Going by stats, Kallis above the rest. In my opinion, Viv over all of these names.

On topic, personally: Lara > Dravid > Kallis = SRT > Ponting
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Dravid > ponting > kallis > tendu > lara....

Although the 1st and and position can be revert.... (ponting has compartively poor performance in india.... Hence....)
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Dravid > ponting > kallis > tendu > lara....

Although the 1st and and position can be revert.... (ponting has compartively poor performance in india.... Hence....)
An Indian who isn't blinded by 'Sachinism'.


Are you sober?
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Old 23rd August 2011, 17:55
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Lara - SRT - Ponting - Kallis= Dravid.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 18:01
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An Indian who isn't blinded by 'Sachinism'.


Are you sober?
lol.... Look at my other posts on sachin vs dravid.... I am with you guys on this.... This sachinism is too much irritating.
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Averages on the surface don't reveal the truth...

e.g. Sachin's Aus average is inflated due to the fact that of all the trips, I believe there were 5, he took down under, only once did he faced the full strength aussie bowling (McGrath, Warne, Gillespie) lineup and that was in '99, his stats for that tour were below par...Furthermore, he racked up his average on absolute road custom ordered by BCCI post 2003 and again against depleted bowling attacks...

Where Lara, Kallis and Pakistani batsmen have had to contend with full strength aussie bowling lineups in all trips they took down under before the said bowler's retirement...
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Old 23rd August 2011, 18:13
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Anyone who has been watching the game knows how far Tendulkar and Lara are from the rest.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 18:16
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Averages on the surface don't reveal the truth...

e.g. Sachin's Aus average is inflated due to the fact that of all the trips, I believe there were 5, he took down under, only once did he faced the full strength aussie bowling (McGrath, Warne, Gillespie) lineup and that was in '99, his stats for that tour were below par...Furthermore, he racked up his average on absolute road custom ordered by BCCI post 2003 and again against depleted bowling attacks...

Where Lara, Kallis and Pakistani batsmen have had to contend with full strength aussie bowling lineups in all trips they took down under before the said bowler's retirement...
Very well spotted....


Sachin has not done very well when Glenn McGrath was in the attack....
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Old 23rd August 2011, 18:19
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Here are the stats using cricinfos BQI analysis a few months ago... Averages against the "Best" bowlers...

Ponting - 48
Lara - 44
Kallis - 42 (Since Kallis has come into the reckoning....)
Tendu - 39
Dravid - 37

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Old 23rd August 2011, 18:23
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PP verdict is out..Sachin is the fifth best batsman of his generation. Oh there's no Inzamam here.. if you include him,Sachin goes down to number sixth position. Wonderful, unbiased,'ULTIMATE' batting comparison!
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Old 23rd August 2011, 18:24
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PP verdict is out..Sachin is the fifth best batsman of his generation. Oh there's no Inzamam here.. if you include him,Sachin goes down to number sixth position. Wonderful, unbiased,'ULTIMATE' batting comparison!
I think this thread focusses on 4 players...

If you think he is 5th out of 4 - thats pretty damning...
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Here are the stats using cricinfos BQI analysis a few months ago... Averages against the "Best" bowlers...

Ponting - 48
Lara - 44
Tendu - 39
Dravid - 37
which best bowlers did Ponting play? Which best bowlers made a joke of him in India? Why he averages so poor in India when none of the Indian bowlers are/were in same class of Mc Grath/ Warne?

Its about playing conditions where even the homegrown ordinary bowlers
cause problems for the visiting batsmen. Shouldnt Ponting be averaging 500 against India considering the fact that Indian bowling was the worst of them all?
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Old 23rd August 2011, 18:28
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lol.... Look at my other posts on sachin vs dravid.... I am with you guys on this.... This sachinism is too much irritating.

Yes ... for me too this Sachinism is too much irritating... i mean some indians who treat him as god etc... this is just irritating. But as some body who has analysed the above 5 to some deep extend i would say it is Sachin. Then Lara, Ponting, Dravid= Kallis in that order.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 18:31
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I think this thread focusses on 4 players...

If you think he is 5th out of 4 - thats pretty damning...
Check updated OP,khanji..Kallis has made his way in to reckoning
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Old 23rd August 2011, 18:33
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Bradman>Sachin>Viv=Sobers>>>Kallis,RD,Punter
And who better to judge than..............
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Old 23rd August 2011, 18:34
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Here are the stats using cricinfos BQI analysis a few months ago... Averages against the "Best" bowlers...

Ponting - 48
Lara - 44
Tendu - 39
Dravid - 37
And.... averages against the "worst" bowlers....

Dravid - 99
Kallis - 88 (Since Kallis has come into the reckoning...)
Tendu - 81
Lara - 62
Ponting - 44

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PP verdict is out..Sachin is the fifth best batsman of his generation. Oh there's no Inzamam here.. if you include him,Sachin goes down to number sixth position. Wonderful, unbiased,'ULTIMATE' batting comparison!
Nice trick
But wont work here.
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Lara is the best test batsmen of the modern generation. He always came into bat when Windies were 12/2 or something and attacked from the get go. He played a lot of matching winning and saving innings in an incredibly weak team. He alone soaked the entire pressure from the opposition. Also, no other batsmen has consistently been out to dominate bowling and still score big runs over such a long career. He was also by far the most exciting batsmen to watch.

Lara was not the most consistent batsmen, but when he got going, there was no one as explosive.

Tendulkar is the best ODI batsmen of all times, no doubt there.
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which best bowlers did Ponting play? Which best bowlers made a joke of him in India? Why he averages so poor in India when none of the Indian bowlers are/were in same class of Mc Grath/ Warne?

Its about playing conditions where even the homegrown ordinary bowlers
cause problems for the visiting batsmen. Shouldnt Ponting be averaging 500 against India considering the fact that Indian bowling was the worst of them all?
Unfortunately this is not my analysis but cricindia's.....

PS: its reflected in post 34 - ie Pontings average against the WORST bowlers is lower than his overall average....

You have to take it all into account... but I much prefer a batsmen who rises against the best....

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Old 23rd August 2011, 18:45
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Nice trick
But wont work here.
What trick are you talking vadivelu? Same trick you used in that "call centre" thread to counter NH? lol
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Unfortunately this is not my analysis but cricindia's.....

PS: its reflected in post 34 - ie Pontings average against the WORST bowlers is lower than his overall average....

You have to take it all into account... but I much prefer a batsmen who rises against the best....
Rise against best?

Why dont you show me a few knocks that Ponting played against WI ( Walsh/Ambrose) or Pak ( Wasim/ Waqar) ? Who are these best bowlers that you are talking about?
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I'd rate them in this order


Sachin

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Ponting

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What trick are you talking vadivelu? Same trick you used in that "call centre" thread to counter NH? lol
Uumbu thu nirth dai ;)
the same trick u used above
and Namak_Haalal will be happy to screw you guys ( esp sachin topics )

i dont usually hate sachin but cant say the samething about his fans
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In my opinion, for what it's worth.

Lara > Ponting > Dravid > Tendukar > Kallis

In Test cricket, that is.
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Averages on the surface don't reveal the truth...

e.g. Sachin's Aus average is inflated due to the fact that of all the trips, I believe there were 5, he took down under, only once did he faced the full strength aussie bowling (McGrath, Warne, Gillespie) lineup and that was in '99, his stats for that tour were below par...Furthermore, he racked up his average on absolute road custom ordered by BCCI post 2003 and again against depleted bowling attacks...
In 1992 series, Australian attack comprised of McDermot,Merve Hughes,Bruce Reid,young Shane Warne and Mike Whitney..and an 18 year old kid scored couple of great hundreds at Sydney and pacy Perth.

Should expect the likes of you to turn a blind eye to those figures..as SG often says "why let facts come in the way of a good rant"
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This is so subjective!

I think what the stats in the OP show is that if you look hard enough, all players, even those regarded as 'legends' have weaknesses in their records.

With all respect to Dravid, he didn't look like much of a wall in the South Africa series, yet as far as I remember there weren't countless threads calling for his retirement/axing. Yet the minute Sachin does badly, people here are after him.

Stats don't tell the entire picture sure, but they do show that out of all the batsmen presented in the OP, he is the only one without a glaring weakness in his record...
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Sachin>Lara>Ponting=Dravid(Until most recently would have rated Ponting ahead of Dravid)

Kallis is not among these elite 4.....

He has failed in England,Againist SL and Murali againist Aus.He avgs great againit the avg attacks of India Zim Ban etc etc and in his own home conditions...
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Old 23rd August 2011, 19:33
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SRT > Dravid > Lara > Ponting > Kallis
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Why these Sachin fans become so defensive about his failures. Why not man-up to the fact that he is a mortal like others who sometimes fail also. In this series he fell on his face and no one can defend that.
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Javed Miandad was better than all of them for the sheer impact he had on the opposition ranks, plus his average is almost the same as these guys, plus the bowlers were more destructive in those days than now, and most of the teams had them,
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Why these Sachin fans become so defensive about his failures. Why not man-up to the fact that he is a mortal like others who sometimes fail also. In this series he fell on his face and no one can defend that.
Read the OP carefully, this thread is not about the just concluded series.
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Kallis is more consistent than all others based on OP...
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Javed Miandad was better than all of them for the sheer impact he had on the opposition ranks, plus his average is almost the same as these guys, plus the bowlers were more destructive in those days than now, and most of the teams had them,

Yeah apart from the fact that Miandad only averages 33 against the best side of his era the West Indies . Must have surely bashed those fast bowlers as hard as u say .
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Old 23rd August 2011, 19:43
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javed miandad was better than all of them for the sheer impact he had on the opposition ranks, plus his average is almost the same as these guys, plus the bowlers were more destructive in those days than now, and most of the teams had them,
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yeah apart from the fact that miandad only averages 33 against the best side of his era the west indies . Must have surely bashed those fast bowlers as hard as u say .
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Old 23rd August 2011, 19:43
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Javed Miandad was better than all of them for the sheer impact he had on the opposition ranks, plus his average is almost the same as these guys, plus the bowlers were more destructive in those days than now, and most of the teams had them,
Consider checking Miandad's home and away avg?

Check his avga aginist the WI,the best team of his era.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 19:44
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Next Reply will be how 33 of those days is equivalent to 99 of todays . L" logic
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Old 23rd August 2011, 19:52
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Kallis is more consistent than all others based on OP...
Kallis averages below 30 in England . That will be his weakness in such a comparison .
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Old 23rd August 2011, 19:57
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:07
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Lara > Ponting = Dravid > Kallis > Tendulkar (in tests)
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:08
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In 1992 series, Australian attack comprised of McDermot,Merve Hughes,Bruce Reid,young Shane Warne and Mike Whitney..and an 18 year old kid scored couple of great hundreds at Sydney and pacy Perth.

Should expect the likes of you to turn a blind eye to those figures..as SG often says "why let facts come in the way of a good rant"
None of them were world class fast bowlers and were on the tail end of their collective mediocre/workman like careers, and Shane Warne was a rookie novice taken to cleaners by Shastri...
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:10
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Lara is the best test batsmen of the modern generation. He always came into bat when Windies were 12/2 or something and attacked from the get go. He played a lot of matching winning and saving innings in an incredibly weak team. He alone soaked the entire pressure from the opposition. Also, no other batsmen has consistently been out to dominate bowling and still score big runs over such a long career. He was also by far the most exciting batsmen to watch.

Lara was not the most consistent batsmen, but when he got going, there was no one as explosive.

Tendulkar is the best ODI batsmen of all times, no doubt there.
King Viv says hello...
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:12
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Sachin > Lara > Very close between RSD and Punter .. my bias will always go for RSD + I would rate RSD to save game on minefields ahead of Punter. Punter may go for shots nevertheless and will have higher tendency to get out.

Sachin and Lara have decoded bowlers and got inside the head of the bowler. I have seen them changing their style of play and really disturbed rhythm of bowler. If you look at the fitness level, SRT have topped Lara playing these many matches and 'old' guy was just top scorer overall in 2010 calender year. AND that is not a joke.

Kallis' importance as a batsman suddenly started to look strong because he was top scorer recently in Ind-SA series in SA. He was the only guy who stood tall against Bhaj's outrage against SA at Capetown. If there was no Kallis (and boucher), obviously India would have won their first series win against SA. Kallis is very good batsman and tremendous athlete. Don't want to insult Kallis but I would pick in form ABDV over in form Kallis. However, I think Kallis is the best allrounder of the decade with out a doubt.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen Lara much and have not so good record against us. Still his numbers against Aus and Eng. are very good that's why I put him ahead of Punter/RSD.

I see certain people on PP has a 'thing' for SRT as he has been top scorer in 3 out of 5 WC against Pakistan Don't mind the bias, as long as there is no insult.

It's funny that some people just wait for SRT to fail, and totally close their eyes when he does well. LOL If there was SRT instead of RSD who had hit centuries in recent series, and seeing 4-0 result, then I can imagine 100's of blogs regarding ...... Never mind.

I am glad that RSD is having 2nd wind just like SRT had post 07, but RSD has lost his reflexes in catching, also was in terrible form after he got hit by Bangladeshi bowler. BUT he is back now. Let's see what Punter has stored for us. Will he have 2nd wind like RSD, as he was/is out of form in test.

I hope people decide their fav. players by themselves rather than reading other's opinion, no matter how old they are!
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:14
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Kallis averages below 30 in England . That will be his weakness in such a comparison .
That happens with many players. Everyone finds a certain country where he struggles or a certain opposition against whom he struggles everywhere.

Ponting has been very poor in India (avg 26, 123 runs, 14 matches), Kallis (against SL - 33, In Eng - 29, In SL - 35), Lara (against Ind - 34, in Ind - 33, in NZ - 36), Dravid (against SA - 33, in SA - 29, in SL - 33).
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:18
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That happens with many players. Everyone finds a certain country where he struggles or a certain opposition against whom he struggles everywhere.

Ponting has been very poor in India (avg 26, 123 runs, 14 matches), Kallis (against SL - 33, In Eng - 29, In SL - 35), Lara (against Ind - 34, in Ind - 33, in NZ - 36), Dravid (against SA - 33, in SA - 29, in SL - 33).
Very True . But Sachin is the only one Batsman who has decent / Good / Excellent batting averages against all the Top Teams both away and at home . Right ?
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:19
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Wow this thread has more indian posters than pakistan.... A little bit odd hmmm....
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:20
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None of them were world class fast bowlers and were on the tail end of their collective mediocre/workman like careers, and Shane Warne was a rookie novice taken to cleaners by Shastri...
It was a five test series which Australia won 4-0! If their bowlers were 'mediocre' how did they achieve such a result? have a listen sir
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:23
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Tendulkar owns Viv Richards in ODIs and TESTS.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:25
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Wow this thread has more indian posters than pakistan.... A little bit odd hmmm....
Nothing odd, no pak player there..it's Sachin who's drawing few Pak posters, if not for his mention this thread would have been a non-starter

btw you made your valuable opinion, now sit back and watch what others have to say

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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:26
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Tendulkar owns Viv Richards in ODIs and TESTS.
Tendulkar failed in WC finals...He cant perform under pressure unlike King Viv. Richards has better average & S/R despte playing in difficult era. Richards craps all over Sachin in all forms of the game.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:27
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Ok so when England wins 4-0 against India in a series in which Sachin failed , it is assumed that Sachin failed against Great Bowlers ( Who actually are seam track bullies )

And when Australia wins 4-0 against India in a series in which Sachin excels , then it is assumed that none of the opposition bowlers were great , pitches were flat , spinners were bowling under-arm to allow an 18 Year old kid make easy runs .
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:31
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Tendulkar failed in WC finals...He cant perform under pressure unlike King Viv. Richards has better average & S/R despte playing in difficult era. Richards craps all over Sachin in all forms of the game.
Mohali - 2011

Centurion - 2003..I have been on forums for few years now..believe me this is the innings that broke hearts of thousands of pak fans' ..subsequently jealousy and hatred happened.

ps: did they ban you at ICF?
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:32
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Tendulkar failed in WC finals...He cant perform under pressure unlike King Viv. Richards has better average & S/R despte playing in difficult era. Richards craps all over Sachin in all forms of the game.
And so did Richards in the '83 final if that's some criteria.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:32
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Ok so when England wins 4-0 against India in a series in which Sachin failed , it is assumed that Sachin failed against Great Bowlers ( Who actually are seam track bullies )
Nobody is assuming...this actually happened....

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And when Australia wins 4-0 against India in a series in which Sachin excels , then it is assumed that none of the opposition bowlers were great , pitches were flat , spinners were bowling under-arm to allow an 18 Year old kid make easy runs .
You are only assuimg this....
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:32
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Very True . But Sachin is the only one Batsman who has decent / Good / Excellent batting averages against all the Top Teams both away and at home . Right ?
No comments about Sachin.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:36
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Ok so when England wins 4-0 against India in a series in which Sachin failed , it is assumed that Sachin failed against Great Bowlers ( Who actually are seam track bullies )

And when Australia wins 4-0 against India in a series in which Sachin excels , then it is assumed that none of the opposition bowlers were great , pitches were flat , spinners were bowling under-arm to allow an 18 Year old kid make easy runs .
You got it in one. You're a fast learner.

Don’t forget the main factor, TIME, SRT has played for over 22 years, runs are inevitable.

Taking time into consideration, the following is the ranking based on performance gradient measurement:

Dravid
Ponting
Kallis
SRT
Lara

Talk to me about SRT match winning innings in no more than a paragraph (should be more than enough).


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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:40
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None of them were world class fast bowlers and were on the tail end of their collective mediocre/workman like careers, and Shane Warne was a rookie novice taken to cleaners by Shastri...
To continue from my previous post..say after a decade if someone who didn't watch a single ball of this series, casually checks at statsguru and says Dravid made his three hundreds against no-name bowlers like An(cloud)derson,Barbie and Breson, how would those who watched it live feel?
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:45
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You got it in one. You're a fast learner.

Don’t forget the main factor, TIME, SRT has played for over 22 years, runs are inevitable.

Taking time into consideration, the following is the ranking based on performance gradient measurement:

Dravid
Lara
Ponting
Kallis
SRT

Talk to me about SRT match winning innings in no more than a paragraph (should be more than enough).

Just a paragraph? Watch the 2003 Indo-Pak Wc Match Highlights and write an account of pain you felt on that day, am sure you will be able to write a Holy Book sized stuff on that match alone. Why bother going to analyze his entire career when just one historical encounter brings you nightmares till today ?
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:50
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You got it in one. You're a fast learner.

Don’t forget the main factor, TIME, SRT has played for over 22 years, runs are inevitable.

Taking time into consideration, the following is the ranking based on performance gradient measurement:

Dravid
Lara
Ponting
Kallis
SRT

Talk to me about SRT match winning innings in no more than a paragraph (should be more than enough).

"Sachin's longevity comes down to the joy that he still gets from playing. After 20 years of international cricket he still has a child-like enthusiasm. That's not an easy thing to do when you have been travelling and playing so much and your body has taken a pounding," Dravid said in the latest edition of Wisden Cricketer magazine

"He is great at preparing for games. Not only in terms of his skills but also getting his mind right. What he has achieved is mind-boggling. He is constantly setting the boundaries for the future generations. His batting has changed with time - with his body and age.

"That's the beauty of it. The game has changed, the bowlers have changed and he has changed along with that. Everytime he has changed he has been successful. He hasn't seen too many bad patches in his career," he added.

now now Namak_Halaal 'analyses' cricket better than Dravid and reckons every batsman would have fared like Sachin
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:52
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Tendulkar owns Viv Richards in ODIs and TESTS.



King Viv is 2nd only to Don Bradman mate.


Averaging 50+ in tests and 40+ in ODIs in the 70/80s is worth way more then the last 2 decades.


He was the most feared player in history. He revolutionsed the sport, by attacking greats such as Lillee/Imran/Hadlee etc.


...and he played without a helmet. He hooked and pulled Imran/Lillee/Hadlee to hell without any fear.


Your ignorance has really ****** me of. Learn something about cricket.

Don't compare a helmet wearing midget, afraid of the new ball, flat track/old track bully with no guts or bravery to Viv Richards.


I would be embarrased if I were you.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:53
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Just a paragraph? Watch the 2003 Indo-Pak Wc Match Highlights and write an account of pain you felt on that day, am sure you will be able to write a Holy Book sized stuff on that match alone. Why bother going to analyze his entire career when just one historical encounter brings you nightmares till today ?
I thought so, just one line it seems was enough.

Moving on, in ODIs, SRT has scored the highest number of ducks (20) compared with the players in the OP, and is joint 6th in ducks scored in the top 60 ODI players based on runs scored in a career.

What an ODI player, one who crumbles under pressure.
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Old 23rd August 2011, 20:55
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"Sachin's longevity comes down to the joy that he still gets from playing. After 20 years of international cricket he still has a child-like enthusiasm. That's not an easy thing to do when you have been travelling and playing so much and your body has taken a pounding," Dravid said in the latest edition of Wisden Cricketer magazine

"He is great at preparing for games. Not only in terms of his skills but also getting his mind right. What he has achieved is mind-boggling. He is constantly setting the boundaries for the future generations. His batting has changed with time - with his body and age.

"That's the beauty of it. The game has changed, the bowlers have changed and he has changed along with that. Everytime he has changed he has been successful. He hasn't seen too many bad patches in his career," he added.

now now Namak_Halaal 'analyses' cricket better than Dravid and reckons every batsman would have fared like Sachin
None of this changes anything I say moreover has no bearing on the PG. Time doesn't care about how the games changes, time merely offers greater number of chances.
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