OK we won but .....

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

dontu think inzi let eng off the hook by not going for the kill and not bringin back shoiab and rana again when eng were 8 down on 130 odd??? i know we won and stuff and it was a real good performance but if it was Australlia instead of ENG they would've killed us if we'd be this ez on them !

[AT1]

you make a good piont.. the reason i think is because the over rate was to slow so he rushed his spinners

[AT1]

didnt u notice like kaneria running back to his stride after each bowl was bowled?

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Originally Posted by pants and trousers didnt u notice like kaneria running back to his stride after each bowl was bowled?

nahh . didnt watch the match , costs 90 bucks to get cricket here !! m a lil low on cash these days !! , i was readin the commentry by our expert team of PP !!

[Muyazzim Khan]

Originally Posted by pants and trousers you make a good piont.. the reason i think is because the over rate was to slow so he rushed his spinners

Yeah but if we knocked them over it wouldnt have mattered. Some will say what if we didnt to that i would say if bringing back our quicks didnt work we could have then gave the spinners a go or kept spin at one end and pace at the other end. Plus someone like Sami or Rana bowl their overs pretty quickly.

I also think we need to really sort this sub player out, Arshad Khan either should be in the 11 or not involved at all(mine & almost everybodys opinion). Looks almost certain Dani will be out thank heavens, we should bring in Mansoor Amjad IMO.

We won but im sure we all agree we can improve, if we do improve the make-up of the team which will be helped by Afridis return plus keep getting sharper in the field inshallah we can bury England.

[AT1]

Originally Posted by Muyazzim Khan Yeah but if we knocked them over it wouldnt have mattered. Some will say what if we didnt to that i would say if bringing back our quicks didnt work we could have then gave the spinners a go or kept spin at one end and pace at the other end. Plus someone like Sami or Rana bowl their overs pretty quickly. I also think we need to really sort this sub player out, Arshad Khan either should be in the 11 or not involved at all(mine & almost everybodys opinion). Looks almost certain Dani will be out thank heavens, we should bring in Mansoor Amjad IMO. We won but im sure we all agree we can improve, if we do improve the make-up of the team which will be helped by Afridis return plus keep getting sharper in the field inshallah we can bury England.

inzi didnt wanan take the risk?

[AT1]

Originally Posted by from_da_lost_dim3nsion nahh . didnt watch the match , costs 90 bucks to get cricket here !! m a lil low on cash these days !! , i was readin the commentry by our expert team of PP !!

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(btw this is legal so chill mods)

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Originally Posted by pants and trousers streaming, if ur interested try this website out: www.sportingstreams.com (btw this is legal so chill mods)

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thanks !!

[AT1]

ye, its what i use, like 7 pounds for 2 months

[kasoo10]

Originally Posted by pants and trousers inzi didnt wanan take the risk?

That is the whole point. Why is he so defensive all the time???

[AT1]

maybe he knew he was gonna win so there is no point risking a fine or a ban

[deadly_man]

Originally Posted by pants and trousers you make a good piont.. the reason i think is because the over rate was to slow so he rushed his spinners

but when england was 8 wicket down eh shud have gone for allout not wait till 50 over...in that case overrate would also not be any problem.
I admired inzi when first tiemr he brought back akhter when eng were 5 down...and i thought inzi is going for kill..and he was definetly but later I dont kow why he changed his plan..may be he stucked in dilema if akhter and rana were bwoled our 10 over each and somehow eng survive then who willl bowlk at last over....but in my view he shud have brought back akhter and rana...or may be sami if not rana..and shud have tried fro all out

[Muyazzim Khan]

Taking the 'safe'option didnt really work though did it. There is no point jumping on Inzis back about this after all we won. All i hope is that Inzi learns from this as he has been since he first took over.

I for one will put my hands up and say i really didnt like his captaincy in the begining but he has won me over by inspiring his team as player and captain especially since the Indian tour. I remember Saj was one of the few who was saying we should give Inzi time and he will come good. So considering that i reckon Inzi and Bob will sit down and check out what they could have done better today and inshallah Inzi will learn and become better.

[Monsee]

Can you guys do some thinking, read through some already existing threads, commentary posts etc, to deduce your reasoning

This topic has been discussed at legth in the commentary thread, Anti Inzi thread and several others

I guess you and all other ACCs know more than Inzi, Bob and the rest

[AT1]

sorry baba

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by pants and trousers sorry baba

jaao maaf kia

It's just that I am still ticked off from knee jerk reactions from many senior and newer members

Shoaib was injured, came back, then went out, then came back

Kaneria was injured

Over rate was very slow etc etc

You can add the rest

[GQ]

Why?

Why does Pakistan always make stars out of visiting team players? For example, Pathan and Balaji, and now Collingwood, Blackwell, and Plunkett!

C'mon guys, we're giving them much respect than they deserve as players. Collingwood is not a "bowler", we need to hit him out of the ground. Blackwell is not a world class spinner, no need to show him respect and Plunkett is not an all-rounder, please!

We've increased their confidence for no reason!

[z10]

Originally Posted by Monsee Can you guys do some thinking, read through some already existing threads, commentary posts etc, to deduce your reasoning This topic has been discussed at legth in the commentary thread, Anti Inzi thread and several others I guess you and all other ACCs know more than Inzi, Bob and the rest

so?

jsut because you and other have discussed this at length before shouldn't discourage others from discussing this

[Muyazzim Khan]

Originally Posted by Monsee Can you guys do some thinking, read through some already existing threads, commentary posts etc, to deduce your reasoning This topic has been discussed at legth in the commentary thread, Anti Inzi thread and several others I guess you and all other ACCs know more than Inzi, Bob and the rest

Akhtar like anger from Monsee! he is not happy with his fellow PPers thoughtless posting.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by z10 so? jsut because you and other have discussed this at length before shouldn't discourage others from discussing this

Cause Bhai sahib, you self and many others have whinned 'many a times' about people starting new threads when one is already there

I guess now you will say, I never said so

[z10]

Originally Posted by Monsee Cause Bhai sahib, you self and many others have whinned 'many a times' about people starting new threads when one is already there I guess now you will say, I never said so

i never said so

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Muyazzim Khan Akhtar like anger from Monsee! he is not happy with his fellow PPers thoughtless posting.

HeHeHe...hey I haven't made any Jet or Ferrari refernces yet, and 'No Ugly Chicks' for me, unlike a certain superstar

Remember those pics in Aussie land

[AT1]

monsee yaarr...... take a chill pill!

[AT1]

or have you ran out?

[deadly_man]

Originally Posted by Muyazzim Khan Taking the 'safe'option didnt really work though did it. There is no point jumping on Inzis back about this after all we won. All i hope is that Inzi learns from this as he has been since he first took over. I for one will put my hands up and say i really didnt like his captaincy in the begining but he has won me over by inspiring his team as player and captain especially since the Indian tour. I remember Saj was one of the few who was saying we should give Inzi time and he will come good. So considering that i reckon Inzi and Bob will sit down and check out what they could have done better today and inshallah Inzi will learn and become better.

agree
I think he is very slow lerner but he is learning...I have never seen inzi going for kill befoere..all he used to do was come in to fielsd with alredy set bowling sequences and bowl according to that unless one of them is going @10-12 for 2-3 over continuously.
but today he brought back akhter oince they were 5 wicket down..he will become more aggressive with time..I hope he learn all these tactics before world cup

[Muyazzim Khan]

Respect Monsee Geezer! keep up the good work.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by pants and trousers monsee yaarr...... take a chill pill!

No you take it first...I ain't chilling


Kuut Kuut Vuut Vuut

[Lunatic]

i think one of u should send an email to Uncle BOB n bring to his attention the fact that not goin for jugular when we have got the team down in dumps can cost us big time. Especially against the likes of Australia.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Lunatic i think one of u should send an email to Uncle BOB n bring to his attention the fact that not goin for jugular when we have got the team down in dumps can cost us big time. Especially against the likes of Australia.

Try reading last few posts, if not a big ask

This is what I potsed, a few posts above:

"It's just that I am still ticked off from knee jerk reactions from many senior and newer members

Shoaib was injured, came back, then went out, then came back

Kaneria was injured

Over rate was very slow etc etc

You can add the rest"

[AT1]

Originally Posted by Monsee No you take it first...I ain't chilling Kuut Kuut Vuut Vuut

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Originally Posted by Monsee Can you guys do some thinking, read through some already existing threads, commentary posts etc, to deduce your reasoning This topic has been discussed at legth in the commentary thread, Anti Inzi thread and several others I guess you and all other ACCs know more than Inzi, Bob and the rest

ye aok !

[Saj]

12 overs in the 1st hour meant that Pakistan were well behind the over rate.

Hence the reason for having to bowl Danish/Malik/Arshad in tandem

[rayhan]

Whilst watching the game on TV, I was mystified by Inzi not going for the kill, the commentators mentioned that the over-rate was slow as Saj mentioned in his post above. Maybe Inzi should have gone for his quicks, but would that have gauranteed that the quicks would have gotten the wickets....one only has to look at the first ODI when all the quicks went for plenty runs...whose to say it wouldn't happen again. With hindsight we can all say that Inzi's decisions were poor, but then again we are not on the field and cannot expect to understand what circumstances Inzi was in knowing that his premier bowler, Shoaib Aktar, had with his constant going off the field for treatment.


Some of you have criticised Inzi. If he was a bad captain, then what would you say about Trescothick's captaincy in the following two situations:

1. England were batting, Trescothick's team were in trouble, the English commentators were praying for the supersub to come on, yet he (Tresco) persisted and brought Solanki on too late. The commentators were questioning the sense of playing Solanki that late. Nevermind the fact that he took off a bowler, Anderson meaning that he had too little backup incase one of his main bowlers went for runs. Had he made the Supersub when Flintoff was out, replacing G. Jones, England would still have had a bowler more, and Prior, who is a backup keeper anyway playing when Pakistan came into bat. Poor captaincy by Trescothick and the English management there.


2. Having played this test series in Pakistan on "flat" pitches and played the first ODI in Lahore, plus having seen what "full length deliveries by the Pakistani bowlers" can do to batsmen. Trescothick has once again failed to impart the importance of bowling fuller length to his bowlers. He (Tresco) just let his bowlers continue bowling "short of a length" ....easy pickings for Pakistani batsmen on these pitches. You would have thought he might have learnt a thing or two. Again poor captaincy.

This goes to show that Tresco too made mistakes, not only Inzi when he didn't go for the kill.

Again we can't know what's going on in the minds of the respective captains when they are on the pitch. Can we really say we would have done any different were we in their boots?

Just my 2 cents.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by rayhan Whilst watching the game on TV, I was mystified by Inzi not going for the kill, the commentators mentioned that the over-rate was slow as Saj mentioned in his post above. Maybe Inzi should have gone for his quicks, but would that have gauranteed that the quicks would have gotten the wickets....one only has to look at the first ODI when all the quicks went for plenty runs...whose to say it wouldn't happen again. With hindsight we can all say that Inzi's decisions were poor, but then again we are not on the field and cannot expect to understand what circumstances Inzi was in knowing that his premier bowler, Shoaib Aktar, had with his constant going off the field for treatment. Some of you have criticised Inzi. If he was a bad captain, then what would you say about Trescothick's captaincy in the following two situations: 1. England were batting, Trescothick's team were in trouble, the English commentators were praying for the supersub to come on, yet he (Tresco) persisted and brought Solanki on too late. The commentators were questioning the sense of playing Solanki that late. Nevermind the fact that he took off a bowler, Anderson meaning that he had too little backup incase one of his main bowlers went for runs. Had he made the Supersub when Flintoff was out, replacing G. Jones, England would still have had a bowler more, and Prior, who is a backup keeper anyway playing when Pakistan came into bat. Poor captaincy by Trescothick and the English management there. 2. Having played this test series in Pakistan on "flat" pitches and played the first ODI in Lahore, plus having seen what "full length deliveries by the Pakistani bowlers" can do to batsmen. Trescothick has once again failed to impart the importance of bowling fuller length to his bowlers. He (Tresco) just let his bowlers continue bowling "short of a length" ....easy pickings for Pakistani batsmen on these pitches. You would have thought he might have learnt a thing or two. Again poor captaincy. This goes to show that Tresco too made mistakes, not only Inzi when he didn't go for the kill. Again we can't know what's going on in the minds of the respective captains when they are on the pitch. Can we really say we would have done any different were we in their boots? Just my 2 cents.

Excellent post, some really good points raised

I am gonna post it in couple other Inzi bashing threads i.e. if you don't mind

[rayhan]

Monsee: thank you for the kind words. You may post it wherever you like.

[Rob H]

Great performance by Pakistan today. That late night might've cost us. Thought Shoaib bowled superbly, he had pace with a variety of lengths. Akmal played beautifully and we have to get him early in Karachi. Hope we can bounce back down there and play a bit more like we did in the first ODI. Partnerships and disciplined bowling during in the middle of the innings is what we need.

1-1 - Set up nicely isn't it

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by RH Great performance by Pakistan today. That late night might've cost us. Thought Shoaib bowled superbly, he had pace with a variety of lengths. Akmal played beautifully and we have to get him early in Karachi. Hope we can bounce back down there and play a bit more like we did in the first ODI. Partnerships and disciplined bowling during in the middle of the innings is what we need. 1-1 - Set up nicely isn't it

Nice to see RH taking the lumps like a man and being gracious even in losing .....Sadly, same cannot be said for most of the other sub-continent rivals....

[Rob H]

Seems like you've been waiting for me Zushy and waiting to quote what i will say (trying to have a dig at me i bet)

If so.......................

[zushy_786]

Of course I was, funny how you keep disappearing when England were losing

[Rob H]

Went to Germany, ate some bratwurst did my hwk then came on PC. Weren't avoinding anything.

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by RH Went to Germany, ate some bratwurst did my hwk then came on PC. Weren't avoinding anything.

Rright....Too bad your bribe to Hairy didn't work in the second odi.....

[Rob H]

Seriously. There is a Frankfurt market in the centre of Birmingham. CHECK IT OUT (the bratwurst is haram though, i reccomend stolen instead. Yum yum)