What exactly is the point of Jade Dernbach?

[Hash]

Once again, destroyed today.

8-0-54-0

Career average in the 40s
Career economy rate above 6

Just utter rubbish.

How, exactly, has he managed to get himself a place in international cricket?

[DeadlyVenom]

He can bowl a variety of slower balls thats about it and thats why he was selected.

[TNA]

He is like Rana too many variations in his armoury but leak runs.

his back of the hand slower ball is a treat and can be lethal in death overs besides that nothing too good about him

[Hash]

Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom He can bowl a variety of slower balls thats about it and thats why he was selected.

Which seem to be dispatched to the boundary more often than not.

I really don't see anything in his bowling which warrants 13 international appearances.

[freelance_cricketer]

He can only survive in English conditions, in sub continent he will get slaughtered as you are seeing right now

[*syed59*]

nothing too great. But since Eng have sent a set of second string bowlers, I think he fits in there.

[srh]

rubbish, may be worst than some rubbish indian bowlers

[akheR]

Slower ball.

That's it.

Decent at the death for T20s. Nothing more.

[Osman]

total trash....tripe....garbage!

[Down2Earth]

rubbish bowler, england have better bowlers. just because he's south african, they shouldn't be compelled to play him. waste of space. onions is a lot better

[srh]

his only quality is that he is south african; he would not make even the Indian team. Thats how pathetic he is.

[freelance_cricketer]

Bowled a choker 49th over tonight

[AlizeeFan]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer He can only survive in English conditions, in sub continent he will get slaughtered as you are seeing right now

His economy was over 7 in England.

He is highly overrated ODI specialist bowler. Onions who seems to be better bowler doesn't get chance despite his conitinous failures because England believe that he will bowl some good slower balls once in next 100 matches.

Overs 	Mdns 	Runs 	Wkts 	Econ 	Pos 	Inns 		Opposition 	Ground 	
5.0 	0 	30 	3 	6.00 	3 	2 		v Ireland 	Dublin 	
9.0 	0 	62 	1 	6.88 	4 	1 		v India 	Chester-le-Street 	
5.0 	0 	49 	0 	9.80 	4 	1 		v India 	Southampton 	
10.0 	1 	53 	1 	5.30 	3 	1 		v India 	The Oval 	
10.0 	0 	73 	2 	7.30 	3 	1 		v India 	Cardiff 	
10.0 	0 	58 	1 	5.80 	3 	1 		v India 	Hyderabad (Deccan) 	
5.4 	0 	41 	0 	7.23 	3 	2 		v India 	Delhi 	
10.0 	0 	69 	0 	6.90 	3 	2 		v India 	Mohali

[mithun_minhas]

Dernbach gets selected for the same reason V KUmar gets selected for India.

They both own sex tapes of their selectors.

Dernbach >>>>>>>>>> V Kumar

[ozzy_07]

Completely agree. Even in the ODI series against India in England he looked distinctly average and was leaking runs.

It seems like just because he can bowl a slower ball, he feels compelled to keep bowling it even though it keeps getting dispatched.

England still had a chance today till he bowled the penultimate over, his wides and no-ball put India back in the driving seat.

[Gujar]

Surprised Ajmal Shahzad was discarded so quickly. He was one of England's best bowlers in the WC. Bowled some real jaffers against Bangladesh in particular.

[srh]

there is nepotism in English team. Players from South Africa get more chances than players from England.

[AlizeeFan]

Originally Posted by ozzy_07 Completely agree. Even in the ODI series against India in England he looked distinctly average and was leaking runs. It seems like just because he can bowl a slower ball, he feels compelled to keep bowling it even though it keeps getting dispatched. England still had a chance today till he bowled the penultimate over, his wides and no-ball put India back in the driving seat.

Slower ones are supposed to be surprise deliveries. But with Dernbach, it's very predictable that he will bowl either a slower one or a length ball or a full ball asking to be hit.

Other bowlers should replace him.

[AZ]

once read somewhere that he's the Cristiano Ronaldo of English cricket...

[ethan hunt]

rubbish !!! massively overratted and overhyped by english pundits who know nothing about oneday cricket , most of his slower balls end up being wides , i dont think he even has a length ball to fall back on , its either a juicy half volley , rubbish short stuff , or the misdirected slower one , will be discarded soon..

[Liverpool_Faizan]

the only thing more ridiculous than his cricket is his first name.

[srh]

seriously he cannot even play for a Pakistan domestic team in Grade 1.

[saeed-sohail]

Utter rubbish.

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by AZ once read somewhere that he's the Cristiano Ronaldo of English cricket...

And Samit Patel is their Zindedine Zidane?

[IgnitedMind]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer And Samit Patel is their Zindedine Zidane?

No!! he is the at present Maradona

[velu]

He was decent vs SL in England , but he is badly exposed in SC .
If he is not mentally strong, this series will haunt him till he retires

[Badsha]

He's a good player.

[AlizeeFan]

If anything he needs to get these slower ones right. Just disguising it and bowling it at wrong line and length won't help.

[Sherlock]

He was shocking today, absolute rubbish bowling. What was it with him and the slower bowls later in the inns, when it's not your day, stop bowling them.

[James]

Bottler.

As is tradition.

[Looney]

Chocolaty Laila in disguise for India

[freelance_cricketer]

What happened to Sidebottom?

[Eagle_Eye]

Originally Posted by mithun_minhas dernbach gets selected for the same reason v kumar gets selected for india. they both own sex tapes of their selectors. dernbach >>>>>>>>>> v kumar

[Looney]

Originally Posted by mithun_minhas Dernbach gets selected for the same reason V KUmar gets selected for India. They both own sex tapes of their selectors. Dernbach >>>>>>>>>> V Kumar

lol how did i miss this gem

[s2k]

Jade Dernbach is filling the SA quota..........

[The Muppets XI]

For entertainment value alone, when things are going pear shaped for him. Spitting and swearing at himself while his balls are racing off to the boundary - always has me in

[s2k]

Originally Posted by AZ once read somewhere that he's the Cristiano Ronaldo of English cricket...

I hope CR doesnt watch cricket..........he may sue the person who said so.

[dell79]

I agree total buffet bowler. should replace him with Meaker!

[velu]

Originally Posted by AZ once read somewhere that he's the Cristiano Ronaldo of English cricket...

he does look like Ronaldo

[AZ]

must be why they compared the 2 as such.

[akheR]

Don't see any resemblance at all tbh

[shakil]

What pisses me off is that the commentators keep praising him. I don't know what they see in him that I cannot. He bowls straight as an arrow and most of his slower deliveries have wrong length or wrong line.

[velu]

Originally Posted by akheR Don't see any resemblance at all tbh

see the picture in the middle , 90% matches CR

[Tapori]

Chocolaty Laila in disguise for India

Gloriously random. Too funny.

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That 49th over in that 3rd ODI was cringe-worthy.

Ian Botham was just begging for a basic full and straight delivery and every single time Dernbach tried to be too clever for his own good, Botham could be heard sighing like an irate desi dad waiting for his son to come home so he could leather him for continuing to buy lottery tickets on the way to getting the daily milk and bread.

Oh, and Dernbach wishes he was Christiano Ronaldo.

Why Ajmal Shezad was left behind for this lad, I'll never know.

Also, why was Rashid left back? I mean this Indian team is fairly new as are England's team, so why not try him on the type of piches Indian spinners seem to enjoy?

[Asif321]

His Point is To get Tattos

[AlizeeFan]

Originally Posted by Sherlock He was shocking today, absolute rubbish bowling. What was it with him and the slower bowls later in the inns, when it's not your day, stop bowling them.

His most of the normal pace deliveries were going good for him. He showed good control with them. But somehow he feels compelled to bowl slower ones. It gets worse when he tries it 3-4 times in an over. That's too much. When you can get job done with normal pace then why try those deliveries which are not working.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by srh there is nepotism in English team. Players from South Africa get more chances than players from England.

I think our Zimbabwean coach sees something quality in white Africans that most Englishmen lack. The Voortrekker spirit, or something.

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have to say I've been quite impressed with this guy, and IMO he has been the main difference in the T20 games so far, even more so than the batting. Most of the other pace bowlers have got battered with the exception of Gul perhaps, even Finn has been expensive. Dernbach's clever varieties have given the Pakistan batsmen more problems than any other bowler. I'd like to see the likes of Cheema and Junaid mix it up a bit more to provide some support for Gul.

[Zaz]

I dont think hes that good tbh Pakistanis are making another lalloo look good

[Hash]

He is utter rubbish.

Playing well against us is no indication of talent or ability since we have a historic habit of making pie throwers look like the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[James]

Good for T20s, that's it

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by Whippy Good for T20s, that's it

Since he's only being picked for T20's I would think that is the rationale anyway.

For those who claim our batsmen are making him look good, is it the case he usually gets tonked by other batting line ups?

[786warrior]

The point of dernbach is to expose our batting line-up for the fraud it is!!

And may I say he is doing an admirable job!!

[Hash]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat Since he's only being picked for T20's I would think that is the rationale anyway. For those who claim our batsmen are making him look good, is it the case he usually gets tonked by other batting line ups?

Well in 7 ODIs against India he has an average of 81 and an economy of 6.78. Against Sri Lanka he has played 5 ODIs with a better average of 28.75 and an economy of 5.47.

He has played one ODI against us and got 4 for 45.

[Impala_KaifTamasha]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer And Samit Patel is their Zindedine Zidane?

Originally Posted by navroks123 No!! he is the at present Maradona

Originally Posted by mithun_minhas Dernbach gets selected for the same reason V KUmar gets selected for India. They both own sex tapes of their selectors. Dernbach >>>>>>>>>> V Kumar

Classic.

[wrongun]

Seems like one of those bowlers who is good at going for 6-7 runs an over. Which is good at T20 but terrible for ODI. Like Yardy was.

[James]

Anderson for ODIs, Dernbach for T20s

[Spiderguy252]

Bowled filth yet again, against the Windies this time.

How does he get a game? Specialist death bowler? Yeah, right.

[freelance_cricketer]

Just goes to show you can't make a career out of little tricks. First thing first, you gotta be a decent bowler. Then you can get better by adding variety.

Mendis, Dernbach, Narien are all flawed.

[Space Cat]

Yep tricks can only get you so far. International cricket is a different story. There is no hiding anything for long.

[Strike!]

Play him against Pakistan so he can take wickets.

[shah_1]

why all crap bowlers preform against Pakistan

[Bullet Drive]

He's part of Surrey, the same team Maynard played for. He was good mates with Maynard. He hasn't played in the last few T20 games for his county due to the death of Maynard and it could possibly be on his mind? I don't know but it still was a poor performance.

I see him as a Rana Naved. Similar actions, can bowl 90mph but bowl around 85. Both have a good slower ball. Both have a good yorker. Both are good at the death. Both are ODI specialsist. Both can bat a little. A lot of similarities between the two.

[Spiderguy252]

Originally Posted by Strike! Play him against Pakistan so he can take wickets.

Already taken 4-45 in the 1 ODI he has played against the greens so far in his career.

Originally Posted by Bullet Drive He's part of Surrey, the same team Maynard played for. He was good mates with Maynard. He hasn't played in the last few T20 games for his county due to the death of Maynard and it could possibly be on his mind?

Nope. I've been following him since the SL tour of England in which he featured in the ODIs and he has come off as continually crap. Got smashed against India both home and away, redeemed himself slightly against Pakistan and is now getting battered again by the Windies. In between whiles he was torn apart in the Big Bash as well.

He is, simply put, a product of Flower's obsession of playing specialists in the limited overs formats. Look at their 50-overs team for example: Kieswetter as opener + basher, Trott as anchor, Morgan for impetus, Dernbach for his slower balls jeez.....just pick your best XI and they'll work out the mix you would think?

[Sidcricfan]

He is there just to give the opposition some easy runs.
But has taken 4-45 against Pak, so you should not be laughing at him.

[Ironcat]

You always need a Vulcan in the team.

[James]

He can look utterly terrible, but in fairness he was pretty good in the T20 series versus Pakistan. That final slower ball was excellent. From one bottler to another.

[kungfu90]

Originally Posted by James He can look utterly terrible, but in fairness he was pretty good in the T20 series versus Pakistan. That final slower ball was excellent. From one bottler to another.

haha.. this won't go well.

[shah_1]

He just over hyped by nassir Hussain... always saying blah blah about him "doesn't matter it is pollard or Gayle it is difficult to score against him". Then the next thing you see is getting spanked by bravo and Pollard.

[truthseer]

He's there to be the lalloo that does well against Pakistan

[Canistani Hero]

Well, Pakistan certainly made him look like the by product of a rough night between Glenn McGrath and Curtly Ambrose.

[shah_1]

Marcus Trescothick rated Dernbach as one of the best death bowlers in the world.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Sledger]

Not a big fan of his bowling but seems a pretty cool dude.

[James]

Unfortunately Jade was a significant reason for England's loss today, along with the bizarre selection of Ravi.

4 overs for 44 as a frontline and death bowler is not acceptable. 2 of his overs went for 16 each which is pretty atrocious. Even 15-20 runs less conceded overall, as Finn managed, would have given us a much better chance of winning.

[Buffet]

Originally Posted by James Unfortunately Jade was a significant reason for England's loss today, along with the bizarre selection of Ravi. 4 overs for 44 as a frontline and death bowler is not acceptable. 2 of his overs went for 16 each which is pretty atrocious. Even 15-20 runs less conceded overall, as Finn managed, would have given us a much better chance of winning.

I have not followed Samit Patel much but he seemed comfortable against spin. If that is his usual game then I would think he can play as a batsman in SC tracks in ODI/T-20. Based on media reports , I had an impression that he is a bowler who can bat a bit but he looked very comfortable out there against spin.

[Keith]

Do England not have an overseas quota that needs to be maintained?

[freelance_cricketer]

He's got some tricks but no control whatsoever, what good can those well disguised slower balls do when he follows it up with juicy full tosses?

[ethan hunt]

You have to wonder , you just have to wonder , a career economy rate of close to 7 doesnt do this guy any justice should be around 9 or 10 , utter rubbish .

[James]

Jade has surely benefited from Flower's pro-SA selection stance. You can make an argument either way with unexciting three-star players like Compton, but Jade really is proper turd.

[Extreme Pace]

Roft even his First Class ER is over 6, how the hell has he played nearly 20 ODIs. Is English domestic scene completely depleted in terms of bowling talent?