Mumtaz Qadri judge flees to Saudi Arabia after receiving death threats

[Markhor]

http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/25/qadri...nt-abroad.html

LAHORE: The district and sessions judge, who had handed down two death sentences to Mumtaz Qadri for killing Punjab governor Salman Taseer, has left for Saudi Arabia along with his family after receiving death threats from extremists. “The death threats have forced Judge Pervez Ali Shah to leave the country along with his family for Saudi Arabia,” Advocate Saiful Malook, the special prosecutor in the Qadri case, told Dawn on Monday. He said sensing the gravity of the situation the government had arranged the lodging of Mr Shah and members of his family abroad. “Although security was provided to the judge and his family members, the government on the reports of law-enforcement agencies opted for sending him abroad,” he said. There were also unconfirmed reports that extremist elements in religious parties had fixed the head money for the judge. “There were such reports but there was a potential threat to the life of Mr Shah and his family members,” he said. Mr Malook said he also had been receiving threats to his life and urged the government to arrange adequate security. “The government has deployed only two policemen for my security which is not adequate,” he said. Judge Pervez Ali Shah had said in his verdict: “No-one can be given the licence to kill anyone in any condition, therefore, the killer cannot be pardoned as he has committed a heinous crime.” Assassin Qadri, a constable in the Punjab Police Elite Force, tried to justify the murder by stating that he had killed Mr Taseer for supporting Aasia Bibi, a Christian woman who the slain governor had projected as having been wrongly convicted of blasphemy. Qadri, who was on duty to guard Taseer, gunned him down outside a restaurant in Islamabad on Jan 4 this year. The Islamabad High Court stayed the implementation of death sentence till a decision on his appeal against the verdict. Advocate Malook said the judge’s decision was “absolutely according to law” but the reaction of lawyers of the Rawalpindi Bar to the verdict was unfortunate. Judge Shah had been on long leave since sentencing Qadri to death. Earlier, the chief justice had placed services of Mr Shah at the disposal of the Punjab government and transferred him from the anti terrorism court-II, Rawalpindi, to the Child Protection Court, Lahore, but later repatriated him. About three dozen religious parties, including Sunni Tehrik and Jamatud Dawa, have been pressing the government to remove Mr Shah from his post. The clerics termed the decision “un-Islamic” and demanded action against the judge. Police are also investigating the kidnapping of Shahbaz Taseer, son of Salman Taseer, on the lines that Qadri’s sympathisers might be involved in it. Interior Minister Rehman Malik said recently that Shahbaz Taseer was alive and his kidnappers were holding him near the border with Afghanistan. Shahbaz Taseer was kidnapped from Lahore’s Gulberg area in the last week of August.

[PennOne]

thats Pakistan for you.

[ares1000]

That's not right. I mean MQ should not face death for his action, he is a man of devotion to our Master, the Glorious Prophet of Allah (SAAW), but the system should be secure.

[PennOne]

Originally Posted by ares1000 That's not right. I mean MQ should not face death for his action, he is a man of devotion to our Master, the Glorious Prophet of Allah (SAAW), but the system should be secure.

what the hell?

[mithun_minhas]

Why run to Saudi Arabia?

If you are trying to run away from hardcore islamists, its better to run to Australia or UK or USA. Not Saudi Arabia.

Its like a deer fawn running into a lion's den trying to escape from tiger

[GOAT]

Originally Posted by mithun_minhas Why run to Saudi Arabia? If you are trying to run away from hardcore islamists, its better to run to Australia or UK or USA. Not Saudi Arabia. Its like a deer fawn running into a lion's den trying to escape from tiger

Are you a moran?

The chances of him being killed in Saudi Arabia or the UAE are pretty remote, violent crime is so low. He probably has connections there or time was also a factor.

The army should really be protecting our judges. This is just wrong.

[tanzeel]

Originally Posted by ares1000 That's not right. I mean MQ should not face death for his action, he is a man of devotion to our Master, the Glorious Prophet of Allah (SAAW), but the system should be secure.

He should and rightly is sentenced to death because he took a human life in cold blood and has shown no remorse for his actions. Whatever his motivation may be, he has committed a heinous crime and he deserves to be hanged for it. This was a man who had put his life in this animal's hands and he proceeded to end that life over a difference of opinion.

[deviously~fading~away]

So sad. This is not the Pakistan that Jinnah gave his life for.

For people asking why Saudi Arabia, that's because even Saudis are more tolerant than us.

As one of my Arab friend put it- Pakistanis follow an Islam that is different from the Islam of the rest of the Muslim World.

[deviously~fading~away]

Originally Posted by ares1000 That's not right. I mean MQ should not face death for his action, he is a man of devotion to our Master, the Glorious Prophet of Allah (SAAW), but the system should be secure.

May Allah have mercy on people like you on the day of Judgement.

[12cavalry]

Atleast he had the balls to give a verdict.

Our courts have been releasing terrorists and self professed murderers like Malik Ishaq for a while now.

[insaftak]

Originally Posted by 12cavalry Atleast he had the balls to give a verdict. Our courts have been releasing terrorists and self professed murderers like Malik Ishaq for a while now.

+1

Not only the terrorists but also corrupt ruling elite. Moonis Elahi getting away with NICL scandal is the recent example of it.

The whole system needs to be changed. We need some reforms badly or we will continue to sink.

[ares1000]

Originally Posted by deviously~fading~away May Allah have mercy on people like you on the day of Judgement.

I am extremely liberal save when it comes to the honour and dignity of our glorious Prophet. Then, as a man with iman, I cannot tolerate any slight.

[ares1000]

Originally Posted by insaftak +1 Not only the terrorists but also corrupt ruling elite. Moonis Elahi getting away with NICL scandal is the recent example of it. The whole system needs to be changed. We need some reforms badly or we will continue to sink.

I agree all such crimes must be punished. But AQ was a unique case with a motivation no one with iman can hold against him. I hate the TTP and other Wahabbist types, but love of the Prophet is a cornerstone of being a Muslim.

[ares1000]

At the most, he should get some prison time to satisfy legal requirements for punishment.

[Sjaloha]

It is an unfortunate news that a judge had to flee to another country for making a decision, which is according to the law. It is the responsibility of the state to protect all its citizens. There is still a possibility for the family to file an appeal in the High Court and then then Supreme Court of Pakistan. I am not sure if there are actual threats to his life or if he reacted under the percieve threat which is common in Pakistan after such cases.

[ares1000]

We agree that the judge should be safe and secure. We disagree on the need to kill AQ. He has deep love of the Prophet. He should not face death.

[insaftak]

Originally Posted by ares1000 I am extremely liberal save when it comes to the honour and dignity of our glorious Prophet. Then, as a man with iman, I cannot tolerate any slight.

If we go by that logic then Imran khan is also Wajib-ul-qatl as he endorsed Salman Taseer's statement of reforming the blasphemy laws.

[deviously~fading~away]

Originally Posted by ares1000 I am extremely liberal save when it comes to the honour and dignity of our glorious Prophet. Then, as a man with iman, I cannot tolerate any slight.

Liberal and extremist are just words that will mean nothing on the day of judgement. What will matter is right and wrong. Supporting a murder is wrong.

[ares1000]

Originally Posted by insaftak If we go by that logic then Imran khan is also Wajib-ul-qatl as he endorsed Salman Taseer's statement of reforming the blasphemy laws.

He didnt call it a black law.

There is reform and then their is ridicule. That dog Taseer did the latter.

[akhrot]

Originally Posted by ares1000 That's not right. I mean MQ should not face death for his action, he is a man of devotion to our Master, the Glorious Prophet of Allah (SAAW), but the system should be secure.

No Prophet would want a human to be killed for ANY reason, and if there is a Prophet out there that wants a human killed over blasphemy, its pretty obvious he isn't a Prophet at all.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by ares1000 He didnt call it a black law. There is reform and then their is ridicule. That dog Taseer did the latter.

Ridicule of the law, not the prophet (PBUH).

There is a difference and you aren't seeing it.

That law in Pakistan is simply out of tune with Islam. It's not governed properly, minor things are called blasphemous acts and people are liable to be charged under it.

Under the law, common sense goes out the window. A man throwing his card with the name "Mohammad" on it was accused of blasphemy. I mean that's crazy. This is what Salman Taseer was against and rightly so, IMO.

At no point, did he ridicule the prophet (PBUH).

[ares1000]

Originally Posted by akhrot No Prophet would want a human to be killed for ANY reason, and if there is a Prophet out there that wants a human killed over blasphemy, its pretty obvious he isn't a Prophet at all.

Whilst the Prophet was forgiving of all slights, that is their magnificence. We, the slaves of the Glorious Prophet, cannot bear any such insult. It burns us to our core.

[shortbread]

Don't tell me that the Govt./Army is sitting back and observing when a Pakistani judge decides to leave his motherland because he is not safe anymore. May as well have Saudi Arabia declare amnesty to all Pakistanis because we do not feel safe in our own country.

Why cant the leaders react to this, or from now on every time a judge with balls declares a verdict against a group of loonies he has to run away abroad to be safe.

[akhrot]

Originally Posted by ares1000 Whilst the Prophet was forgiving of all slights, that is their magnificence. We, the slaves of the Glorious Prophet, cannot bear any such insult. It burns us to our core.

so you will not follow the Prophet's example, but rather take human lives to cool your burning core, brilliant! You make us so proud

[12cavalry]

The judge has left for Haj.

LAHORE: Contrary to local media reports suggesting that the judge who convicted Mumtaz Qadri has fled the country due to death-threats, The Express Tribune has learnt that Syed Pervez Ali Shah has left for Saudi Arabia to perform Hajj. http://tribune.com.pk/story/281532/d...stan-for-hajj/

[shortbread]

I hope that's the truth and the world media ends up looking like a fool!!

[Looney]

Saudi A of all places

pray he remains safe wherever he is . another case which goes on to highlight the seriousness of them problems we face as Pakistanese and Muzlems

[ares1000]

Originally Posted by 12cavalry The judge has left for Haj.

Lulz.

That would KO the media in 2 rounds.

[ares1000]

Originally Posted by akhrot so you will not follow the Prophet's example, but rather take human lives to cool your burning core, brilliant! You make us so proud

Can you tolerate an insult to your parents? No.

Yet insults to our prophet hurt us much much more.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by ares1000 Can you tolerate an insult to your parents? No. Yet insults to our prophet hurt us much much more.

This justifies killing the person?

[ares1000]

If not justifies, certainly gives some understanding to the heart of the man who did it. This was a crime of love, of a love of a Muslim for the glorious Prophet.

[WithLoveFromCanada]

Originally Posted by ares1000 Can you tolerate an insult to your parents? No. Yet insults to our prophet hurt us much much more.

That justifies you to go against your Prophet teachings and kill someone?

What did Prophet do when that woman threw crap at him?

And

In this case, ST wanted to ammend the law that was made by Pakistani humans.So how can it be blasphemy?

[ares1000]

Please do not ask us common folk to show humanity and grace befitting of Allah's beloved. I am too low to even think myself capable of such standards.

We should be calm, but alas, so often we cannot contain our emotions. We after all, are the common people. Sinners, who rely only on Allah's mercy and the Prophet's intercession (insha-Allah) on our behalf for anything.

[Saqs]

Originally Posted by ares1000 Whilst the Prophet was forgiving of all slights, that is their magnificence. We, the slaves of the Glorious Prophet, cannot bear any such insult. It burns us to our core.

What a load of rubbish

He was sent to us as an example

Examples are followed

Not put on a pedestal as angelic figures that are impossible to emulate

[Saqs]

Originally Posted by kingusama92 Ridicule of the law, not the prophet (PBUH). There is a difference and you aren't seeing it. That law in Pakistan is simply out of tune with Islam. It's not governed properly, minor things are called blasphemous acts and people are liable to be charged under it. Under the law, common sense goes out the window. A man throwing his card with the name "Mohammad" on it was accused of blasphemy. I mean that's crazy. This is what Salman Taseer was against and rightly so, IMO. At no point, did he ridicule the prophet (PBUH).

Thankyou. Find it hard to comprehend some views being posted here.

I was stuck in a "jalsa" in ISB 3-4 wks ago with supporters of this Qadeer. Had one look at the rage in their eyes and told myself there really isn't any point in arguing with these people, so set were they in their misguidance.

[ares1000]

They say that we can try to follow them, but most people, especially me, are so far short of that standard. AQ also then fell short of that standard.

Those who capture a part of such standards become the Saints of God. Such men are rarer then fine jewels.

[Cover Drive]

Originally Posted by ares1000 Please do not ask us common folk to show humanity and grace befitting of Allah's beloved. I am too low to even think myself capable of such standards. We should be calm, but alas, so often we cannot contain our emotions. We after all, are the common people. Sinners, who rely only on Allah's mercy and the Prophet's intercession (insha-Allah) on our behalf for anything.

Dekho bhai its simple,

Allah (SWT) has said in Glorious Quran that "killing one innocent is like killing the whole humanity''

There used to be Qafars in Makkah, Medina who use to insult our Beloved Prophet Muhammad [SAW[PBUH]] but he never did anything to them in reply forget killing or fighting. There was this lady who would throw garbage on our Prophet [SAW[PBUH]] everyday and one day she didn't throw our Prophet [SAW[PBUH]] went to her and inquired about her and her well being.

No where in Islam killing one is justified unless it is a Jihad which is battle for your Religion.

[ares1000]

^^

That is the ideal, but who is capable of that standard?

I am just trying to *understand* the mindset of AQ, and I think that's an important thing to do.

[Third Umpire]

Originally Posted by ares1000 ^^ That is the ideal, but who is capable of that standard? I am just trying to *understand* the mindset of AQ, and I think that's an important thing to do.

He is a psychopath murderer, what's more to understand?

The only injustice is he can't get the death sentence a thousand times over, which is what he deserves. .

[90MPH]

The mindset of AQ is not hard to figure out - one that is uneducated and brainwashed.
There is no point negotiating or understanding these kind of people as their minds are so warped from reality.
What really concerns me is the support this thug has from a small but seemingly growing section in Pakistani society.

[Mohsin]

Originally Posted by insaftak +1 Not only the terrorists but also corrupt ruling elite. Moonis Elahi getting away with NICL scandal is the recent example of it. The whole system needs to be changed. We need some reforms badly or we will continue to sink.

Though the CJ has taken personal interest in the case, so dont think youll be hearing the end about that corrupt Moonis Elahi and his case

[LongHorn]

Supporters of AQ cant distinguish between criticising a law and insulting our Prophet saws

Personally i think it is an insult to the Prophet saws when someone says |Please do not ask us common folk to show humanity and grace befitting of Allah's beloved"
If someone says we aspire to follow the Prophet saws but am unable though we are trying its forgiveable.

but indirectly saying "dont ask us to follow the Prohet as we are just common people and too low to even aspire" is insulting to Islam and our Prophet saws

[ares1000]

Disagree. It means we can try, but obviously we cant attain such heights in any attribute.

[Stumps]

Originally Posted by ares1000 Disagree. It means we can try, but obviously we cant attain such heights in any attribute.

What? You can't condemn a barbaric murderer?

[Cover Drive]

Originally Posted by ares1000 ^^ That is the ideal, but who is capable of that standard? I am just trying to *understand* the mindset of AQ, and I think that's an important thing to do.

If you are not capable of that standard but that doesn't mean you don't try to get near that standard.

You obviously have to try to do something in order to get something in return.

[ahsan88]

He might have went for Hajj.

The Molana who led Taseer saab's namaz-e-janaza has certainly left the country out of fear for his life.