Clarification: Butt serves 1 year 3 months, Asif 6 months and Amir 3 months in Prison

[SOSami]

Clarification on the sentences from our man at the court, Saj.

The sentances are:

2 years 6 months for Butt, halved for good behaviour = 1 year 3 months in prison.

1 year for Asif, halved for good behaviour = 6 months in prison.

6 months year for Amir, halved for good behaviour = 3 months in prison.

[Free Hit]

yep. aamir i can see you wearing pakistan shirt in world cup 2015 playing for pakistan.

[asif9138]

well. its a bad news for pakistan but justice has been done. I am sure rest of the team and new genration will be carefull.


i feel for their families.

[>>FaHaD<<]

I know of someone who is in jail in London for some small case and he said that the room next to his was being cleaned....wonder if...

[IAJ]

If the prisons in London are like the ones in Norway then they are going on long vacations.

[Hash]

They are going to Wandsworth Prison. It is category B.

[talha3]

Originally Posted by >>FaHaD<< I know of someone who is in jail in London for some small case and he said that the room next to his was being cleaned....wonder if...

Great, so PP updates live from jail from you right?

[Waq]

Prisons are not as tough as they used to be, that is a fact but I would not describe them as holidays camps by any stretch. They are certainly not the type of place that I would want to go for a holiday anyway.

Yes there are pool tables, sport facilities and possibly even video games but people there are tough and they prey on the weak. Drugs and alcohol are rife, rape is not as common as people think but it does happen, fights are a common place. Those who want to feel safe will join a gang or group and get caught up in nonsense. Dare I say, most PP'ers would fail to survive a day there in reality and people there do not give yo a smiley back when you argue with them!

Pakistan prisons are far tougher but Butt, Amir, Asif will be in alien conditions surrounded by tough people. There are likely to be Muslim / Pakistani gangs and groups and how comfortable their stay will be depends on whether they get welcomed or not.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Free Hit yep. aamir i can see you wearing pakistan shirt in world cup 2015 playing for pakistan.

No. These players will never play professional cricket again, they're convicted criminals.

[Poison]

I'm very surprised by the jail sentences but tbh I'm a bit indifferent to it all now, don't care what happens to them, they've disgraced the name of our nation enough. Just happy it's finally over and we can get over this mess.

[Down2Earth]

this will start a new chapter for our cricket and there could never have been a more positive outcome. A pcb ban here and there never work but a prison sentence does. Inshallah this decision will set a precedent and the future players won't even considered such a thing. I hope they rot in prison and that every day is as tough as it can be.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by SOSami Clarification on the sentences from our man at the court, Saj. The sentances are: 2 years 6 months for Butt, halved for good behaviour = 1 year 3 months in prison. 1 year for Asif, halved for good behaviour = 6 months in prison. 6 months year for Amir, halved for good behaviour = 3 months in prison.

They serve half of the sentence in prison and the other half on licence.

Even if a convict does not behave, breaks the prison rules he/she receives a penalty by governor which could be anything from suspension of canteen(food items) to x amount of days added to the half terms. They cannot serve more than what the judge has given no matter how bad they behave unless it amounts to another criminal charge.

They could also serve less than half their sentence if eligible for tagging(Home Detention Curfew (HDC)). It a home curfew imposed which allows prisoners to spend upto 4 months of their sentence. e.g 8 month sentence = 4 months in prison = tag date after 2 months in prison.

[Hash]

People saying prisons are holiday camps wouldn't last there for 5 minutes without doing a potty in their underpants. It's basically tabloid media hogwosh.

They aren't hell holes. They get food and a bed and clean facilities and if they behave well, will get access to TV and a gym but to describe them as 'holiday camps' is basically Murdoch inspired bull.

[talha3]

Originally Posted by Waq Yes there are pool tables, sport facilities and possibly even video games but people there are tough and they prey on the weak. Drugs and alcohol are rife, rape is not as common as people think but it does happen, fights are a common place. Those who want to feel safe will join a gang or group and get caught up in nonsense. Dare I say, most PP'ers would fail to survive a day there in reality and people there do not give yo a smiley back when you argue with them!

Does this include cricket nets?

And do the sorts of things you've said really happen in UK prisons? I mean they show it in popular media (e.g Prison Break), but I assumed that in reality it wasn't that bad anymore.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Waq Prisons are not as tough as they used to be, that is a fact but I would not describe them as holidays camps by any stretch. They are certainly not the type of place that I would want to go for a holiday anyway. Yes there are pool tables, sport facilities and possibly even video games but people there are tough and they prey on the weak. Drugs and alcohol are rife, rape is not as common as people think but it does happen, fights are a common place. Those who want to feel safe will join a gang or group and get caught up in nonsense. Dare I say, most PP'ers would fail to survive a day there in reality and people there do not give yo a smiley back when you argue with them! Pakistan prisons are far tougher but Butt, Amir, Asif will be in alien conditions surrounded by tough people. There are likely to be Muslim / Pakistani gangs and groups and how comfortable their stay will be depends on whether they get welcomed or not.

Most UK jails especially the ones these guys will be in are holiday camps. After a few weeks they will possibly be category D prisoners, these jails don't even have walls and any inmate can walk out of them at any time of day or night.

Amir is under 21 so should be in a youth institution which are worse but 3 months or possibly less isn't a huge amount of time.

A bit of torture if you're mentally weak but nothing like hard labour.

[duostyle]

Originally Posted by talha.raja Does this include cricket nets? And do the sorts of things you've said really happen in UK prisons? I mean they show it in popular media (e.g Prison Break), but I assumed that in reality it wasn't that bad anymore.

Unless someone has been to prison here, I don't think we can totally be certain of how stuff works in there.

Also the 'dropping soap' thingy, I thought it was limited to American prisons?

[Waq]

Originally Posted by talha.raja Does this include cricket nets? And do the sorts of things you've said really happen in UK prisons? I mean they show it in popular media (e.g Prison Break), but I assumed that in reality it wasn't that bad anymore.

No cricket nets at Wandsworth. That is not to say that the governor will not order them if is used as part of rehabilitation. Maybe Butt and Asif can do a Vinnie Jones in Mean Machine!

Lots of bad bad things happen in UK prisons and drugs are more common then ever.

It is not to dissimilar to American movies where blacks sit on one table, whites another and Asians also separate.

Prison has become easier in terms of facilities - that is a fair comment to make but definitely no holiday camp.

Think of the most dangerous area in your town or country - somewhere you would be petrified to walk at night time. That is like prison but 24/7.

[Hash]

This is where they are...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandsworth_(HM_Prison)

[Waq]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC Most UK jails especially the ones these guys will be in are holiday camps. After a few weeks they will possibly be category D prisoners, these jails don't even have walls and any inmate can walk out of them at any time of day or night. Amir is under 21 so should be in a youth institution which are worse but 3 months or possibly less isn't a huge amount of time. A bit of torture if you're mentally weak but nothing like hard labour.

I agree this is a subjective topic but holiday camp!

A bit of torture - care to elaborate? There may not be no hard labour but constant threats of attack? Drugs / alcohol problems. Being attacked if you 'grass'.

I don't know about you, but I like freedom in my holidays and being able to roam about freely. Not be confined to my room and bed.

Not sure if they will go to a category D prison but Wandsworth is no picnic.

[Watsupdoc]

Feel sad for their families

[SwingNSeam]

It will be hard 6/3 months for Amir because of the language barrier.

[RightArm Fast]

I highly doubt they will be kept with general population...a lot of times these 'celebrities' or public figures are kept in separate wings.

[PakPosheeda]

The shortened sentence is conditional. Whats there to clarify?

[Hash]

Originally Posted by Waq I agree this is a subjective topic but holiday camp! A bit of torture - care to elaborate? There may not be no hard labour but constant threats of attack? Drugs / alcohol problems. Being attacked if you 'grass'. I don't know about you, but I like freedom in my holidays and being able to roam about freely. Not be confined to my room and bed. Not sure if they will go to a category D prison but Wandsworth is no picnic.

Wandsworth is category B

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Waq I agree this is a subjective topic but holiday camp! A bit of torture - care to elaborate? There may not be no hard labour but constant threats of attack? Drugs / alcohol problems. Being attacked if you 'grass'. I don't know about you, but I like freedom in my holidays and being able to roam about freely. Not be confined to my room and bed. Not sure if they will go to a category D prison but Wandsworth is no picnic.

The term 'holiday camp' is used by inmates to describe what they feel is a more comfortable prison to be in.

The loss of freedom is actually the main punishment, it's all mental. Their is no physical hard labour as there used to be. Every inmates cell has access to T.V, radio and some are allowed playstations. Gym is available a few times a week, infact these guys would be offered a job in the gym to pass on their sporting knowledge if they chose to do so. Halal food is a available for all Muslims including pray items etc. If you can mentally overcome incarceration then it's not actually that bad.

There are no constant threat of attacks. Celebs will receive even less as they are watched over more by the prison staff. Drugs are usually hidden, if you don't do them you won't be asked to do them. If you grass on someone of course you will be labelled as a grass.lol

They will not be in Wandsworth for long. In their short stay they will be confined to their rooms. Amir, Asif and Majeed can asked to be put together in the same cell(if single cells are not available) as they are co-defendants.

People convicted for fraud cases usually end up in D cats since they are not seen as a threat to the public safety.

[SwingNSeam]

When do they decide to cut the sentences into half?

[Waq]

Originally Posted by Hash Wandsworth is category B

Hi Hash, yes I know - I was actually referring to category D prisons in case they get moved there.

Some PP'er must have a cousin at Wandsworth who can write us a blog!

[UP]

Originally Posted by Waq Prisons are not as tough as they used to be, that is a fact but I would not describe them as holidays camps by any stretch. They are certainly not the type of place that I would want to go for a holiday anyway. Yes there are pool tables, sport facilities and possibly even video games but people there are tough and they prey on the weak. Drugs and alcohol are rife, rape is not as common as people think but it does happen, fights are a common place. Those who want to feel safe will join a gang or group and get caught up in nonsense. Dare I say, most PP'ers would fail to survive a day there in reality and people there do not give yo a smiley back when you argue with them! Pakistan prisons are far tougher but Butt, Amir, Asif will be in alien conditions surrounded by tough people. There are likely to be Muslim / Pakistani gangs and groups and how comfortable their stay will be depends on whether they get welcomed or not.

Drugs and alcohol in prison?

How do these things get transferred there?

[Abdullah22]

Originally Posted by Hash Wandsworth is category B

What does this mean? Is A better or B.

[Waq]

Originally Posted by UP Drugs and alcohol in prison? How do these things get transferred there?

Imagine trying to walk whilst having drugs or even a bottle inserted in your behind!

That is one method but there is also a corruption issue with prison staff.

I have even heard of wife's of prisoners putting things in children's toys and nappies during visits.

It takes a lot of effort but drugs and alcohol are common and rife.

[Waq]

Originally Posted by Abdullah22 What does this mean? Is A better or B.

Category A houses the most high risk prisoners and eventually goes down to a category D for the less serious offences and lower risk prisoners.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by UP Drugs and alcohol in prison? How do these things get transferred there?

Proper alcohol is only seen in D cat jails(open prisons). In others it's a home brew known as hooch made from yeast and fruit.

Drugs get in by being smuggled by prisoners who come in knowing they were going to prison, prisoners family members on visits, prison staff or even just thrown over the fence.

It's easier to get high in jail that it is on the outside.

[UP]

Originally Posted by Waq Imagine trying to walk whilst having drugs or even a bottle inserted in your behind! That is one method but there is also a corruption issue with prison staff. I have even heard of wife's of prisoners putting things in children's toys and nappies during visits. It takes a lot of effort but drugs and alcohol are common and rife.

Surprising information.

[uberkoen]

They are going to Wandsworth prison. It is a category B prison. Category B is for prisoners are those who do not require maximum security, but for whom escape needs to be made very difficult.

Its not a rough prison. Its where Julian Assange was held and also Oscar Wilde back in the day. It could've been worse but also it could've been easier had they gone to a Category C prison so I think these guys will learn their lessons. Even 6 months in a prison like that would be a long time.

Something I also noticed about the prison they are going to is that a report published about the prison a few months ago reached the following conclusions:

The level of self-harm and self-inflicted deaths was high. Typically there were about 32 incidents of self-harm each month, and between January 2010 and the inspection in February 2011 there had been 11 deaths in custody, of which four were apparently self-inflicted

At best prisoners were locked in their cells for 16.5 hours a day; at worst they were locked up for 22 hours a day

Poor staff/prisoner relationships; a lack of a predictable regime and insufficient activity all contributed to feelings of isolation and alienation that might have led to self-harming behaviour

Prisoners with specific individual needs were particularly disadvantaged. One prisoner with a disability who had been remanded for three months told inspectors he hadn't had a shower in that time

Provision for foreign national prisoners was poor, some being held beyond their sentence - one for three years

Black and minority ethnic prisoners were disadvantaged in significant areas of the prison

[hur rizvi]

3 months is no time...

Amir should just pass it and then on focus on his comeback once again...

[gangstathe13th]

Got a question - The judge used the following words when sentencing:

Muhammad Asif: "In your case there will be concurrent sentences of 1 year's imprisonment on each count."

-> Doesn't the sentence come out to 2 years (1 year for each count)?

Muhammad Amir: "If you had not pleaded guilty you would have received concurrent sentences of 9 months' imprisonment on each offence. As you did plead the sentence will be 6 months in each case."

-> Doesn't the sentence come out to 1 years (6 months for each count)?

[Hash]

Concurrent means at the same time.

If he had said consecutively then it would be one after the other.

[uberkoen]

Originally Posted by gangstathe13th Got a question - The judge used the following words when sentencing: Muhammad Asif: "In your case there will be concurrent sentences of 1 year's imprisonment on each count." -> Doesn't the sentence come out to 2 years (1 year for each count)? Muhammad Amir: "If you had not pleaded guilty you would have received concurrent sentences of 9 months' imprisonment on each offence. As you did plead the sentence will be 6 months in each case." -> Doesn't the sentence come out to 1 years (6 months for each count)?

Concurrent means running at the same time. So, it won't be double.

[Waq]

Originally Posted by gangstathe13th Got a question - The judge used the following words when sentencing: Muhammad Asif: "In your case there will be concurrent sentences of 1 year's imprisonment on each count." -> Doesn't the sentence come out to 2 years (1 year for each count)? Muhammad Amir: "If you had not pleaded guilty you would have received concurrent sentences of 9 months' imprisonment on each offence. As you did plead the sentence will be 6 months in each case." -> Doesn't the sentence come out to 1 years (6 months for each count)?

In a nutshell...

Butt, Asif and Amir were in court for two offences. They were all found guilty or pleaded guilty for both these offences.

The judge has given an equal sentence to each person for each offence.

Eg - If Salman Butt got 30 months for cheating then he also got 30 months for taking corrupt payments.

In theory this would mean that Butt has got a 60 month sentence. In reality, the judge has allowed both guilty counts to run concurrently i.e. together or along side each other.

Hence for Butt, his offences total 60 months but as both of his guilty counts can run along side each other, he has actually got 30 months in prison. To confuse further, it can be halved on good behaviour and be realeased on license. So Butt could potentially do 15 months or even less.

The same applies to Amir and Butt.

[gangstathe13th]

Thanks guys! makes sense.

[OZGOD]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC The term 'holiday camp' is used by inmates to describe what they feel is a more comfortable prison to be in. The loss of freedom is actually the main punishment, it's all mental. Their is no physical hard labour as there used to be. Every inmates cell has access to T.V, radio and some are allowed playstations. Gym is available a few times a week, infact these guys would be offered a job in the gym to pass on their sporting knowledge if they chose to do so. Halal food is a available for all Muslims including pray items etc. If you can mentally overcome incarceration then it's not actually that bad. There are no constant threat of attacks. Celebs will receive even less as they are watched over more by the prison staff. Drugs are usually hidden, if you don't do them you won't be asked to do them. If you grass on someone of course you will be labelled as a grass.lol They will not be in Wandsworth for long. In their short stay they will be confined to their rooms. Amir, Asif and Majeed can asked to be put together in the same cell(if single cells are not available) as they are co-defendants. People convicted for fraud cases usually end up in D cats since they are not seen as a threat to the public safety.

Sounds like a bit of a holiday for the three eh.

[Legal Eye]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC Most UK jails especially the ones these guys will be in are holiday camps.

As usual, you are just trying to be controversial, I have no idea why you seek this sort of attention everywhere you go.

Anyway, prisons in the UK are far from being holiday camps. Yes, there are facilities but the idea behind prison is not just to punish, but to also rehabilitate. Locking someone in a cold room and making them do hard labour is purely punishment and counterproductive in the long run. Plenty of studies have shows that form of punishment has a much higher rate of re-offending than a punishment which has rehabilitation mixed in.

[Braveheart]

Originally Posted by Hash They are going to Wandsworth Prison. It is category B.

It's full of Extremist Muslim Gangsters!
I'll be surprised if they don't come out with Big Beards.

[Hash]

Originally Posted by OZGOD Sounds like a bit of a holiday for the three eh.

I know!

They must be so happy they are going to prison. Think about it, a free holiday where they can have fun, earn money, watch tv, listen to music, dance, even get a job at the gym!

I'm sure everyone wishes they were in their shoes right now.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Legal Eye As usual, you are just trying to be controversial, I have no idea why you seek this sort of attention everywhere you go.

It's the truth, what is controversial about it? You need to stop worrying about personalities on forums but focus on the content you read.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Hash I know! They must be so happy they are going to prison. Think about it, a free holiday where they can have fun, earn money, watch tv, listen to music, dance, even get a job at the gym! I'm sure everyone wishes they were in their shoes right now.

This is just childish. Obviously incarceration is not what anyone would want but to suggest the UK prison system is tough hard labour is a load of nonsense.

It should be hard labour then the re-offending rate wouldn't be sky high!

[Waq]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC This is just childish. Obviously incarceration is not what anyone would want but to suggest the UK prison system is tough hard labour is a load of nonsense. It should be hard labour then the re-offending rate wouldn't be sky high!

Who has suggested prison in the UK is hard labour?

[BakuGM]

Originally Posted by Poison I'm very surprised by the jail sentences but tbh I'm a bit indifferent to it all now, don't care what happens to them, they've disgraced the name of our nation enough. Just happy it's finally over and we can get over this mess.

Poison, I agree with this but my problem is with the British system and their holier than thou approach. When is the last time they sentenced one of their own player (any sport) to jail time..... I just can't stand the stiff upper lip BS that these British people and politicians portray.

[ECB]

Originally Posted by Waq Prisons are not as tough as they used to be, that is a fact but I would not describe them as holidays camps by any stretch. They are certainly not the type of place that I would want to go for a holiday anyway. .

Although it's not the end of the world, there is nothing worse than being a criminal and spendig jail time. I am not sure if these guys will get visas again for UK since they will have a criminal background

As for cricket, it will be very brave for PCB to let Amir play again, regardless of being 3 or 6 months in jail

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Waq Who has suggested prison in the UK is hard labour?

You were painting the picture of a harsh environment which most uk jails are not. It's all about the mental accept of loss of freedom.

[Blistering Barnacle]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC You were painting the picture of a harsh environment which most uk jails are not. It's all about the mental accept of loss of freedom.

How do you know? Have you been to prison?

[Hash]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC This is just childish. Obviously incarceration is not what anyone would want but to suggest the UK prison system is tough hard labour is a load of nonsense. It should be hard labour then the re-offending rate wouldn't be sky high!

Unfortunately you are the one being childish. It's kind of like you are trying to make yourself feel better by saying it's really not bad and they will be absolutely fine.

Nobody has said prison is hard labour like you find in North Korea but to call them holiday camps, you're acting as if the players are going to have a great, relaxing time like they are chilling on the beach in the south of Spain.

And actually you are completely wrong. All research suggests that the rate of re-offence is much higher unless there is rehabilitation mixed in with punishment and that includes things like TV, radio, gym etc for good behaviour.

[Waq]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC You were painting the picture of a harsh environment which most uk jails are not. It's all about the mental accept of loss of freedom.

I gave a factual account based on real life experiences. No picture painting from me.

Now if you are a screw or a convict, then I shall stay quiet and be guided by you. Failing that, then how can I argue with somebdy who has no experiences of this world?

[OZGOD]

How did Majeed only get 2 years 8 months?

[OZGOD]

Originally Posted by Hash I know! They must be so happy they are going to prison. Think about it, a free holiday where they can have fun, earn money, watch tv, listen to music, dance, even get a job at the gym! I'm sure everyone wishes they were in their shoes right now.

Don't forget the PS3s!

[Saqlain_doosra]

Well deserved but Majeed should have got 7 years. They won't be getting 5 star treatment in UK prisons

[Legal Eye]

Originally Posted by KingKhanWC It's the truth, what is controversial about it? You need to stop worrying about personalities on forums but focus on the content you read.

It's not the truth, it is far from the truth. Why ignore the rest of my post? Do you not believe in the rehabilitation of inmates to ensure when they come out they are better people?

[pear]

Originally Posted by OZGOD How did Majeed only get 2 years 8 months?

Guilty plea at the earliest opportunity reduced the sentence

The players would have got more if it weren't for the fact the ICC had banned them from cricket according to judges sentencing comments

[uberkoen]

He pleaded guilty. Had he not done so his sentence would have been 4 years. Butt and Asif did not plead guilty.

[uberkoen]

Some of these posts are just absurd. Let me make a few points clear.

1. The players have not been imprisoned because they bowled no balls. It was because they were found guilty on two counts. 1. Conspiracy to cheat 2. Accepting corrupt payments. One carries a maximum sentence of 7 years and the other of 3 years. Please stop comparing these to rapists and murders because those offences carry worse sentences.

2. The judge considered their bans by the ICC and also Amir and Azhar's guilty plea before sentencing and thus the sentences were reduced from the maximum of 7 and 3 down to what was handed down to each player.

3. They committed the crime in UK. They broke UK law and thus would be tried and sentenced in the UK.

4. It does not matter whether or not anyone was directly affected by what they did what matters is that they broke the law and are being punished for it.

Also, there was a comment about the money as well. I believe the judge has allowed them to keep the money however all of the accused have to make payments towards the costs of the Prosecution. These payments are as follows:

Amir £9,389

Asif £8,120

Butt £30,937

Majeed £56,554

[akamaka]

Dont really care about their sentences. Hopefully we put this whole incident behind us and pakistan cricket can move forward and gain some credibility.

[DC]

I have to say i'm surprised they got prison sentences, slightly more surprised at the length of the sentences. I guess they wont try match fixing again in a hurry.

I'm pretty sure they will be moved to the lowest category prison in a few weeks, hard to argue they are a security threat or likely to escape and be a danger to the general public.

[TigerJat]

I think Amir got off easy, should've had at least a year.

[BMW Power]

Originally Posted by Down2Earth this will start a new chapter for our cricket and there could never have been a more positive outcome. A pcb ban here and there never work but a prison sentence does. Inshallah this decision will set a precedent and the future players won't even considered such a thing. I hope they rot in prison and that every day is as tough as it can be.

Agreed. I wish people would stop insinuating that the sentences are severe because the players are from Pak. It's to clean up the sport and its finally being done the right way.

[IMMY69]

Originally Posted by Hash I know! They must be so happy they are going to prison. Think about it, a free holiday where they can have fun, earn money, watch tv, listen to music, dance, even get a job at the gym! I'm sure everyone wishes they were in their shoes right now.

Ofcourse these prisons are anything but holiday camps and certainly these three are going to find it very very difficult

However for someone whose convicted of multiple rapes, murder or even lesser crimes of burglary, some these prisons are perhaps easier to bear.. That's why the press often criticises our jails, especially the open prisons where some criminals are allowed during the day...

[Markhor]

What light sentences but I think it is a good decision, you have to give these guys enough time to reflect on what they have done, and to decide on whether they are going to sort their lives out, and their future but also enough time to act as a deterrent to any other prospective or current fixers, that jail is a result of such actions. Plus they won't be in sections alongside murders and rapists, but in a low category alongside fraudsters, and may get more perks and privileges. Asif and Aamer can practice reverse swing when they have yard time.

[Ryankhan]

Originally Posted by Free Hit yep. aamir i can see you wearing pakistan shirt in world cup 2015 playing for pakistan.

Are you kidding me???

i would never want to see anyone one of these three in the Green Jersey again. they sold their country for few pounds. they are real life loozers and should be banned for life from cricket.

its good they got what they deserve and i hope they spend their whole punishment as per the court orders. i dont want to see their punishment being given a easy way out. as i heard in the news, if these 3 behaved well so their punishment could get half so whats the reason for punishing then?

i wish, other cricket nation players also who are involved in fixing gets exposed.....

[saadibaba]

Fair punishment. What a fall from grace for these players.

Butt was the test captain of our national team, the highest honor a player can achieve in his lifetime and a few months down the road, he is a convict serving time in a foreign jail. I mean just think about what his family must be going through, he must be the pride and joy of his family, friends and relatives and now they must be hiding in shame, wishing they never had a son like him.

Just a great reminder for not only all current and future cricketers but to all of us in general. Never take short cuts, never cheat, steal or lie. Never put yourself in a position which if comes to light, will not only end your career but also be source of shame and regret for all your family and even generations to come after you.

Even though its a sad day, I feel this will have a long lasting impact on cricket and will make our game better in the long run. Also, a very good day for Pakistan cricket. While our board was incapable of any tough punishments, UK courts have done us a favor by punishing these players.

[Saj]

The way Justice Cooke started was like the powereplay in a t20 match and it seemed it would be lengthy sentences for all of them, but of course he took into account pleas, the ICC bans, and the references made on behalf of the 4 of them.

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by Waq I gave a factual account based on real life experiences. No picture painting from me.

So you're a screw? Fine everyone has their own experiences and views. I don't agree with your assesment.

Unfortunately you are the one being childish. It's kind of like you are trying to make yourself feel better by saying it's really not bad and they will be absolutely fine. Nobody has said prison is hard labour like you find in North Korea but to call them holiday camps, you're acting as if the players are going to have a great, relaxing time like they are chilling on the beach in the south of Spain. And actually you are completely wrong. All research suggests that the rate of re-offence is much higher unless there is rehabilitation mixed in with punishment and that includes things like TV, radio, gym etc for good behaviour.

'Holiday camp' is a common term used in British jails, I didn't make it up.

Clearly you have little knowledge of the prison system if you think T.V and Gym are given for good behaviour.

It's not the truth, it is far from the truth. Why ignore the rest of my post? Do you not believe in the rehabilitation of inmates to ensure when they come out they are better people?

Sure, it can happen but look at the re-offending rates, it's not working as it should.

[chacha kashmiri]

http://www.channel4.com/news/serious...orth-prisoners

As long as they don't come out and reoffend

[saqibali]

in prison counts day and night counts seperately means 1 day is equal to 2 days that means aamir will beout in 1.5 months, aasif in 3 months and butt in 7.5 months.

[KingKhanWC]

^ Incorrect.

[Statsman]

Originally Posted by uberkoen They are going to Wandsworth prison. It is a category B prison. Category B is for prisoners are those who do not require maximum security, but for whom escape needs to be made very difficult. Its not a rough prison. Its where Julian Assange was held and also Oscar Wilde back in the day. It could've been worse but also it could've been easier had they gone to a Category C prison so I think these guys will learn their lessons. Even 6 months in a prison like that would be a long time. Something I also noticed about the prison they are going to is that a report published about the prison a few months ago reached the following conclusions: The level of self-harm and self-inflicted deaths was high. Typically there were about 32 incidents of self-harm each month, and between January 2010 and the inspection in February 2011 there had been 11 deaths in custody, of which four were apparently self-inflicted At best prisoners were locked in their cells for 16.5 hours a day; at worst they were locked up for 22 hours a day Poor staff/prisoner relationships; a lack of a predictable regime and insufficient activity all contributed to feelings of isolation and alienation that might have led to self-harming behaviour Prisoners with specific individual needs were particularly disadvantaged. One prisoner with a disability who had been remanded for three months told inspectors he hadn't had a shower in that time Provision for foreign national prisoners was poor, some being held beyond their sentence - one for three years Black and minority ethnic prisoners were disadvantaged in significant areas of the prison

OMG! That is simply ridiculous if true. How will the prisoners rehabilitate in such conditions? It may just end up making them worse. Disgusted to know that such things happen in such a developed country.

[Saj]

There has been no official confirmation of which prison they have been sent to.

[Mian Hassan]

Originally Posted by saqibali in prison counts day and night counts seperately means 1 day is equal to 2 days that means aamir will beout in 1.5 months, aasif in 3 months and butt in 7.5 months.

no it has already been halved


they will serve what the thread title says....


it was 2 years and 6 month for butt

asif 1 year

and aamir 6 months

but they will serve half

[Mian Hassan]

Originally Posted by Saj There has been no official confirmation of which prison they have been sent to.

i hope for them thats its a minimum security with prisoners who face similiar sentences and not murderes and rapists

[SAF]

Aamir isnt going to the same prision as the other two because of his age, correct?

[KingKhanWC]

Originally Posted by SAF Aamir isnt going to the same prision as the other two because of his age, correct?

Correct. He is under 21 so will be in a young offenders insituation. Now those are not holiday camps, violence, bullying etc is common. However he should be protected to a certain extent because of his fame.

Feltham is likely the place he is at tonight, not a nice place from what I've heard and read.

[OZGOD]

Butt is apparently going to appeal his conviction.

In the aftermath of the sentencing process, while TV crews hovered outside the courthouse, the one main area of debate was what would happen with regards to appeals. Butt's solicitor Paul Harris confirmed on the entrance steps of the courthouse that his team would be lodging an appeal "in the next 24 hours". http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan...ry/539063.html