Mohammed Yousuf needed for the England series?

[Osman]

Discuss

[Zaz]

Nope Need to give fawad a well deserved chance

[Osman]

Our youngsters do not have the same kind of guidance the young Indian batsmen such as Kohli and Sharma do and have had and learnt from....look at how India have found themselves in tight spots lately but the youngsters such as those 2 have seen the team through to victory....Misbah is good as is Younis but in odis neither you would say has the pedigree Inzi and Yousuf has/had that made/makes them such good ODI players

[MAJID-SHAH]

Nah...dont need him.

Didn't require him for South Africa series/ NZ series/ SL series, so dont see any reason why we need him back for the angraizy

[Zeeraq]

Yes bcz our batting is even getting out to Bangladesh

[JibranAnsari]

No , He is 40 + should enjoy life with his family now.

[VTEC]

A Great Batsman but its time to move on

Considering Tests we need to have faith in young batsman specially Azhar Ali to pull us through in tough situations

for ODIs Yousuf didnt really do that well in his last few games to make him a Must Have player

just drop lame has beens like Malik Tanvir and Farhat and u have a solid ODI Team

[Inziquicksingle]

We absolutely need Mohammad Yousuf. If anyone is yet to notice, our batting really needs someone of his caliber to not only hold fort in the upper middle order but to also guide some of these youngsters like Umar Akmal and Asad Shafiq. So far our batting has really failed to impress against a minnow team, England is obviously going to be a much greater challenge and unlike Bangladesh they have one of the best batting line-ups in the world. So we cannot rely on our spinners to defend any mediocre score like we did against Bangladesh.

People really have this false impression that we are world beaters and Misbah is the best captain since Imran because of a few wins against very average opposition. I fear Pakistan will be in for a reality check against England if the right changes aren't made, especially in the batting department.

[Zeeraq]

Originally Posted by Inziquicksingle We absolutely need Mohammad Yousuf. If anyone is yet to notice, our batting really needs someone of his caliber to not only hold fort in the upper middle order but to also guide some of these youngsters like Umar Akmal and Asad Shafiq. So far our batting has really failed to impress against a minnow team, England is obviously going to be a much greater challenge and unlike Bangladesh they have one of the best batting line-ups in the world. So we cannot rely on our spinners to defend any mediocre score like we did against Bangladesh. People really have this false impression that we are world beaters and Misbah is the best captain since Imran because of a few wins against very average opposition. I fear Pakistan will be in for a reality check against England if the right changes aren't made, especially in the batting department.

Spot on mate! Mohammad Yousaf is badly needed.
Our batting need some stability.

[VTEC]

Put in Miandad and Inzi today in the Team and they will put Farhat and Malik to Shame

[Zeeraq]

Originally Posted by VTEC Put in Miandad and Inzi today in the Team and they will put Farhat and Malik to Shame

Haha you're right.
Malik earth-shattering batting continues.

[Abid Z]

wait till the first test and when the middle order is blown away by anderson and tremlet then we can assess. Pak consistency has only been tested against mediocre attacks up to now but if they are seen to be weak against the english bowlers on flat pitches then i think the calls to bring him back will get louder.

[Savak]

Originally Posted by Abid Z wait till the first test and when the middle order is blown away by anderson and tremlet then we can assess. Pak consistency has only been tested against mediocre attacks up to now but if they are seen to be weak against the english bowlers on flat pitches then i think the calls to bring him back will get louder.

We lost to the WI, that should be a clear sign that we need Yousaf in the side.

[ShehryarK]

Yousuf?

Nah.

No way.

Why do we need this old has-been with no class and no ability when we can have high quality batting legends such as Imran Farhat, Shoaib Mirza, Taufeeq Umar, Misbah-ul-Haq, M. Hafeez and Asad Shafiq!!

[James]

Needed for this, any and every series! Only in Pakistan does the best player in the country not get into the national team, and only in Pakistan do you get fans backing such a decision!

[Savak]

Originally Posted by Whippy Needed for this, any and every series! Only in Pakistan does the best player in the country not get into the national team, and only in Pakistan do you get fans backing such a decision!

Only in Pakistan do corrupt govts keep on getting reelected into office again and again and again.

[ManHOOS]

No thanks

was a good player HISTORY NOW

look for some new young players

[Shayan]

I'm not really bothered about ODIs', and I don't think he should be playing in them anyway.

However there is no doubt that he would make our test team stronger.

Can we get Azhar Ali, Younis, Misbah, Yousuf, and Umar Akmal all into our test team?

[Cover Drive]

Originally Posted by Whippy Needed for this, any and every series! Only in Pakistan does the best player in the country not get into the national team, and only in Pakistan do you get fans backing such a decision!

Indeed.

Its shame nearly one guy who has scored for past 15 years at conisstent basis is out of the national side and is replaced by mediocre players who are no where as this man class nor his calibre nor his stature!

Shame really.

[James]

Originally Posted by ManHOOS look for some new young players

Doing a good job of that so far eh?! Two years of little to no Yousuf and the only player who has made any significant progress is Azhar Ali.

The theory goes that the best and most experienced player gets picked in the team as he is both likely to perform himself, and school the youngsters at a quicker rate than usual. This theory has been put into successful practice many times in the past in many countries. Weird that innit!

[Poison]

Not sure he'd be willing.

Also hasn't played cricket for ages. And is the wrong side of 35. We don't really need a crisis call as of yet, we've been playing well.

[Amjid Javed]

Really do wish he was still playing. Sadly its time to move on

[Osman]

Originally Posted by Poison Not sure he'd be willing. Also hasn't played cricket for ages. And is the wrong side of 35. We don't really need a crisis call as of yet, we've been playing well.

we have but this shouldn't be masking our batting worries! England will expose this!

[Pete Rose]

Pakistan need to continue to build with what they have.

[chui_kadoo]

Needs to prove his fitness and form in the domestic league before he is considered.

[cricmylife]

Thank you for posting!

[cricmylife]

Originally Posted by chui_kadoo Needs to prove his fitness and form in the domestic league before he is considered.

Answer

Originally Posted by ShehryarK Because most Test players the world over don't play domestic cricket! Domestic cricket is essential for two types of people: (i) young up-and-coming players, who need to prove their mettle, develop their game and get selected; and (ii) players who never-were good enough to make the leap to the next level. For all others, its just a nice-to-have or an additional source of some minor income, or a hobby. Yousuf obviously doesn't fit either of those categories above, so why does he need to waste his time against pop-gun attacks when he should be out there playing for Pakistan? Its a travesty that jokers like Shoaib Mirza and Imran Farhat get selected ahead of Yousuf. In ODIs, its a travesty that YK plays ahead of him. -------- If any proof of Yousuf's class and ability was needed (and none was), we had more than ample proof this summer. When people like Shoaib Mirza were gallivanting all over the planet like lafangas, Yousuf was proving himself yet again at Warwickshire, in the leading domestic cricket competition of the world - not some Mickey Mouse Cup in Pakistan. Are we seriously suggesting that cricket in the County Championship Division One, the world's premier first-class competition that has been around for over 120 years, is of a lower standard than the meaningless, pointless and trivial drivel served up on the Pakistani domestic scene? Doesn't scoring a flawless hundred on a minefield of a track, on a pitch so difficult for batting it was deemed 'unsuitable for cricket' constitute proving oneself? [Link and Scorecard] Yousuf, defying a treacherous pitch quite unsuited for this level of cricket, gave a masterful demonstration of batting to record the 30th century of his first-class career. So fine an innings was this that Ashley Giles, hardly one prone to hyperbole, described it as "the best I've seen in difficult conditions." It was, in Giles' words "proper class." Warwickshire may come to be very grateful for Yousuf's contribution. Not only did he make these runs in adversity, but they may have saved the club from a penalty far greater than a difficult match situation. This game is taking place on a poor pitch. Form the second ball of the day, when Varun Chopra was struck a painful blow on the thumb, balls reared and scuttled in treacherous fashion and batsmen sustained numerous blows on the hands and body. [...] But Yousuf somehow managed to tame it. He took some blows and, once or twice, he was almost decapitated by deliveries that grew on him like a menacing wave, but generally he subjugated the opposition and the conditions in a quite brilliant way. How? Well, he watched the ball hawkishly, played as late and as straight as was possible and, by remaining admirably compact, was able to drop his hands or duck his head at the last moment. While other batsmen were drawn into strokes, Yousuf spurned commitment in a manner that would have done Mick Jagger proud. [...] In-between times, Yousuf played some majestic strokes. His driving has always been sublime, of course, but this innings was also laced with some powerful pulls, some deft flicks off the legs and a lofted straight six off the ineffective Shaaiq Choudhry. Not bad at all for a has-been, is it? -------- Even if Yousuf is well and truly past it... better a 'has-been' than a 'never-were and a never-will-be'. And even if he is well and truly past it, to disparage not just his ability and achievements but his person through these ad hominem attacks* and this pitiful bile is rather pathetic. -------- I'm all for building for the future and looking to high-potential younger, fitter and sensible players who can hopefully serve Pakistan cricket with distinction for the next 10 years, guys like Umar Akmal, Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq. But this process of replacement needs to be done properly and sensibly, not through the ham-fisted, haphazard and U-turn prone methodology favoured by the dim-witted and short-sighted Neanderthals running the PCB. Umar Akmal is our best batting prospect since Yousuf himself started 15 years ago - yet every time he goes out there to bat, we place all the burden, all the responsibility and later on, all the blame on him! Indian batting prodigies such as Kohli, Sharma and even Raina have had the likes of SRT, Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Gambhir and Dhoni to learn from, and to play with, in various forms - hence, the youngsters have developed because all the burden of saving and/or winning the match is not on them. On the other hand, for us - in ODIs and T20s, our batting strategy is simple: its Umar Akmal or bust. Most of the rest are very limited batsmen indeed. If he fails, as a youngster is bound to, more often than not, given all the pressure - we don't blame the other idiots, but instead tell him off for daring to score 90 odd at run-a-ball! And in Tests, we have actually dropped our best batsmen! Only in Pakistan! Instead, we should have blooded Umar with proper, quality, senior players - and should still do so. Umar's batting when he played with Yousuf in the side, and especially with Yousuf at the other end, was at a different level - the same would be the case for other, lesser talents such as Azhar and Asad. These kids need a quality senior bat, to take pressure, to take responsibility, and to actually score some bloody runs and not just waste balls: YK, Mirza or Farhat are not it. And Misbah, for all his many qualities, is not it either. -------- Having said all that.... Even allowing for the PCB's routine ineptitude and misguided cussedness, reasonable people could quite legitimately disagree on whether Yousuf's class and undoubted skill still merits a place in the side, or if, in the interests of looking to the future and building a team that will challenge five years hence, we should bid him farewell with our heartfelt gratitude and best wishes for his future. In fact, I personally am not wholly persuaded by the former view; Yousuf's role in mentoring and coaching younger players would undoubtedly be a big plus if he's recalled, but there could well be downsides to it too. However, call me old-fashioned, but I don't see why building for the future should involve destroying all that has been built by former greats, or negating their achievements in the manner done by some* here. -------- * [such as the likes of 'Desi_Joker' are wont to do - and a more apt username for a poster is hard to imagine!]

I came across this one yesterday!

[ManHOOS]

waste of space on pp

Why not youngsters who are performing in domestic circuit , he can't even walk properly let alone running , you should look for future and is past .

Thanks

[Gigii]

We need the experienced guys that the young un's can learn from, but what are Younis and Misbah if they aren't experienced? No, what we need in the ODI team is to drop an allrounder (Malik in other words) for a specialist middle order/opening batsmen (depending on who you want). I'm utterly convinced that if we had a team out today like Hafeez, Shafiq, Younis, Misbah, Akmal, Alam, Afridi, Tanvir, Rehman, Ajmal, Gul (not saying this is our best team, but hypothetical for today's game), we would have had 1) better balance to our team (with a leftie in the middle order) and 2) a geniune batsman in Fawad and we would have been better. Yes, Malik has played some great knocks in the past but he isn't a out and out batsmen, he could have been if he'd stuck to a position at the start of his career (but hey, this is Pakistan) but it's all "airy fairy" now.

The test batting lineup seems fine to me. But the old saying is, if you're good enough, you're old enough and that applies to the elderly as much as it does to the teenagers.

I don't agree with picking Moyo just because we need the experience but I think our test batting line up is good and settled somewhat.

[hasanmehmoodkhan]

he is the past, need to look towards the future

[BoomBoomCricket]

Not realistic.

Why don't you guys understand.

Pointless thread.

[Warfare]

Originally Posted by ManHOOS No thanks was a good player HISTORY NOW look for some new young players

Yep we need amazing youngstas in the team like the great genuine all-rounder...he creates fireworks with the bat and is express with the ball - Sohail "Wasim" Tanvir!

[ManHOOS]

Originally Posted by Warfare Yep we need amazing youngstas in the team like the great genuine all-rounder...he creates fireworks with the bat and is express with the ball - Sohail "Wasim" Tanvir!

why dragging into this , thread is about me

my fans are trying their level best to hype me up but you are spoiling the thread

[Warfare]

Originally Posted by ManHOOS why dragging into this , thread is about me my fans are trying their level best to hype me up but you are spoiling the thread

Because you said we need to look for "new young players". Sohail "Wasim" Tanvir is such a exciting, explosive, express all-rounder that he can replace Moyo with the bat and Akhtar with the ball.

[Harper]

None of your batsman are good enough to make even a half century against our lethal bowling attack and now that we will be playing on spinning tracks its time for swann to make your baby feeding lineup look even more worse

I am sorry to say but it would be a one sided series whitewash is on the cards

[JibranAnsari]

Originally Posted by Harper None of your batsman are good enough to make even a half century against our lethal bowling attack and now that we will be playing on spinning tracks its time for swann to make your baby feeding lineup look even more worse I am sorry to say but it would be a one sided series whitewash is on the cards

ofcourse the whites will be washed.

[ManHOOS]

Originally Posted by Warfare Because you said we need to look for "new young players". Sohail "Wasim" Tanvir is such a exciting, explosive, express all-rounder that he can replace Moyo with the bat and Akhtar with the ball.

Do you watch cricket on calculator ....

[WalkingWiggett]

Originally Posted by Harper None of your batsman are good enough to make even a half century against our lethal bowling attack

But can make 65 and 50...

Oh, sorry, you mean ZIMBABWE's lethal bowling attack. I got the wrong end of the stick.

[Smooth_Operator]

Unfortunately, the probability of MoYo being recalled is next to none. MoYo is no doubt a class player however age and also selection is against him. Pakistan need to move foward, although it does sadden me that MoYo was not given a proper farewell.

[Smooth_Operator]

Originally Posted by Harper None of your batsman are good enough to make even a half century against our lethal bowling attack and now that we will be playing on spinning tracks its time for swann to make your baby feeding lineup look even more worse I am sorry to say but it would be a one sided series whitewash is on the cards

You guys went to India and were whitewashed 5-0. Outside home, England has a lot to prove.

[Justcrazy]

I think he is required in The team, but the situation is such that bringing him back would be a negative step. You need the younger players to play in tight situations and score when the team is in need

The new players have to take the responsibility, its must.

[musama]

no way

[kamz]

Originally Posted by chui_kadoo Needs to prove his fitness and form in the domestic league before he is considered.

so who has proved it compared to yousuf?

Sadly our selectors mentality and Ijaz Butt's idea to have absolutely no appreciation towards players just to kill the player power and showcase that the administrators are bigger than the game and its players!!

Seen many posters here outlining that we dont need him, but who exactly is his replacement?

I can understand that new players deserve a chance to prove themselves that they are good enough to replace Yousuf, but even from a skills perspective, no one has demonstrated enough skills to show that they are in the same boat as yousuf in class or even a tiny lil bit close.

Azhar ali is an amazing find who puts a price to his wicket, but from skills he is miles away from Yousuf

Would love to see him back in tests only as it strengthens our middle order significantly

[Ryankhan]

Absolutely. he should def play in the test series.

Its such a shame our batting greats couldnt even get a 100 in odis against BD side.

YK was totally lost, didnt knew how to excel
Misbah was busy playing tik tuk and occupying the crease.

so yousuf should play in the test matches and if fit then odis tooo.

[Zeeraq]

I don't know which youngster should be replaced by Yousaf(There are some but PCB aren't giving chances to them either).
For me its better we have Yousaf rather then Farhat,Malik,Tanvir etc

[Lara400]

Hate him all you like, and boost your confidence up with recent performances. England are no1 for a reason, and that will be proven. Yousuf is desperately required, World class is the order of the day. Hafeez and co will be found wanting.

England should still win even if Yousuf makes it.

[malakian]

MoYo looked well past it last season, yet out of nowhere scored an outstanding century against Worcestershire on a treacherous pitch, looked in a different league to the other batsmen. He's obviously still got it, just not as consistent as he once was.

From an England's fan perspective, I'd much rather see Farhat or Malik coming in against us than Yousuf.

[Pete Rose]

Originally Posted by lara400 Hate him all you like, and boost your confidence up with recent performances. England are no1 for a reason, and that will be proven. Yousuf is desperately required, World class is the order of the day. Hafeez and co will be found wanting. England should still win even if Yousuf makes it.

Trying to recall what exactly able to achieve when he played them last year

[rhussain33]

Silly thread...

No doubt Yousef is a class act... But he cant come in now, theres no form, fitness, match practise, he was not exactly on fire in his last bunch of matches, so how are things so different now,he has not been playing since, maybe he should never have been left out in the first place,

if the right combo of seniors and youngsters were chosen, with the best ODI player surrounded by youngsters with Afridi and Razzler at the botttom, and not all medicore aged selections that would have been great, but that was not the case.

He should be given a farewell series though, against whoever they play against after England.

[cricfan4ever]

must say the post of brother ShehryarK totally smashed it...agreed 1000% with it !!!

Moyo is desperately needed in the team, especially in Tests...having him against England would be a huge psychological boost and he has an enviable record against the Englishmen in tests to boot !!!