Play India after they compensate 2009 tour cancellation: Latif

[Savak]

Play India after they compensate 2009 tour cancellation: Latif

PTI | Dec 6, 2011, 08.03PM IST

KARACHI: Former Test captain Rashid Latif has urged the cricket board to play a bilateral series with India only after they compensate Pakistan for the cancelled tour of 2009.

"I have been reading a lot of statements from the board officials on resumption of bilateral matches with India. I don't think we should tour India until they compensate us in some way for the tour they cancelled in 2009," Latif said.

The former wicketkeeper-batsman felt that if Pakistan agreed to tour India next year for the Test series without first reaching some agreement for compensation with the Indian board than they should kiss goodbye to the 2009 series.

"Why do we have to always take the initiative in wanting to resume bilateral ties with India. They didn't allow our players to take part in the IPL for the last three editions, what difference has it made to our cricket infact our team is doing well and our players are in demand all over the world," Latif said.

He pointed out that Pakistan had also suffered financial losses due to India cancelling the 2009 tour but they still survived.

"Pakistan cricket has survived and also done well despite international teams not coming to our country, India ignoring us and the spot-fixing scandal so we should take heart from all this while dealing with the Indians."

He advised the chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board to deal with India on even grounds instead of trying to just get them to resume bilateral ties.

"Even the ICC chief executive Haroon Lorgat has said that it is about time the member boards showed more grit while dealing with the Indians."

Latif also urged the PCB to do away with the idea of appointing Dav Whatmore as head coach of the Pakistan team.

"There is no need to change the team management at this stage. And I don't think Whatmore is the right man to work well with our cricket culture and the mindset of our players," he said.

Latif noted that even the Sri Lankan players had complained to their board about the attitude of Whatmore.

"He is a good coach but he is also known to be arrogant and I don't think he will get along with our players."

The former captain said even if the board wanted to appoint Whatmore, it should instead bring him in to run the cricket academies and junior teams.

"We need to restructure and improve our cricket at the grass root level. We really don't need a foreign coach for the national team which can manage itself and only needs a good management team."

Link: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/s...w/11008673.cms

[Itachi]

A simple fact. The ball is in india's court. One can not demand like this at the same time when he approaches for a negotiation. And pcb isn't a influential board. Had it been ecb or australian board, things would have been different.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by Itachi A simple fact. The ball is in india's court.

Then this:

Originally Posted by Itachi One can not demand like this at the same time when he approaches for a negotiation. And pcb isn't a influential board

How does that follow then?

Originally Posted by Itachi Had it been ecb or australian board, things would have been different.

Horse pukky.

It’s not about the money. Despite what I think of Indians, they’re not stupid enough to turn down a guaranteed money spinner.

This is a political issue. Nothing more. Nothing less. So much for BCCI and it’s board members not being influenced by their Mahabharat government.

Oh and also, India is too scared to play Pakistan, even at home.

[s2k]

LOL.As if BCCI has even agreed to playing even after Pakistan's repeated pleadings.Latif is becoming a bit delusional now.PCB is hardly in a position to dictate terms to BCCI.BCCI makes enough money as it is.With or without a series with Pakistan.While PCB has time and again stated that it needs a series with India to get its finances in order.Anyways RAshid Latif the guy is such an attention seeker.

[Itachi]

@n_h: the fact here is, bcci right now, not depended on india pak match to maximize the profit unlike 90s. And as pcb loses influence, the power shifts to more and more on bccis side.

India pak match holds importance for pcb. But not on the same level for bcci as it was once.... And this isn't my opinion. Its a fact.

[ethan hunt]

lol, rashid expecting a morally corrupt board like the bcci to pay pakistan damages , lol bcci is notorious for not paying the share to fellow boards ....... but latif is right despite all their tries they just cant keep pakistan cricket down , while their own team keeps getting whitewashed when they step foot on foreign shores ...............pakistan has embarassed them far too often for it to even be a contest now , i mean 70 to 45 that is domination of epic proprortions and even 12-9 in tests and that too when india have kept running away over the years , if only 11 out of a billion had some talent , the rivalry would not have resembled that of australia and bangladesh

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by Itachi @n_h: the fact here is, bcci right now, not depended on india pak match to maximize the profit unlike 90s. And as pcb loses influence, the power shifts to more and more on bccis side. India pak match holds importance for pcb. But not on the same level for bcci as it was once.... And this isn't my opinion. Its a fact.

Why do you think that is? Politics, NOT sports (a point which you conveniently ignored). Then again India didn’t play Pakistan too often in the 90s. Cough cough – wonder why.

BCCI need to get over the Mumbai attacks; move on. In contrast to Pakistan, if following the same political insecurity as India, would never have played India given the issue of Kashmir.

Politics.

[Statsman]

Originally Posted by ethan hunt lol, rashid expecting a morally corrupt board like the bcci to pay pakistan damages , lol bcci is notorious for not paying the share to fellow boards ....... but latif is right despite all their tries they just cant keep pakistan cricket down , while their team keeps getting whitewashed when they step foot on foreign shores ...............pakistan has embarassed them far too often for it to even be a contest now , i mean 70 to 45 that is domination of epic proprortions and even 12-9 in tests and that too when india have kept running away over the years , if only 11 out of a billion had some talent , the rivalry would not have resembled that of australia and bangladesh

very intelligently analysed.

[ethan hunt]

Originally Posted by Statsman very intelligently analysed.

thanks!!! at your service

[kkmix]

Completely agree with Latif ... He is always spot on. I don't think we have to suck up to Indians at all. We've been doing fine without playing them.

[akheR]

Originally Posted by Savak "Why do we have to always take the initiative in wanting to resume bilateral ties with India. They didn't allow our players to take part in the IPL for the last three editions, what difference has it made to our cricket infact our team is doing well and our players are in demand all over the world," Latif said.

Spot on, playing India shouldn't be a priority at all, we're doing just fine with team Misbah-ul-Haq and as far as I know there are quite some other Test nations, too.

[JibranAnsari]

I don't know what Latif wants? PCB goes to BCCI requesting to play us and we won't play us unless you pay us the compensation. It is like a beggar denying an old bill and demanding a new one. :zulkarnain stuff really...

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal Why do you think that is? Politics, NOT sports (a point which you conveniently ignored). Then again India didn’t play Pakistan too often in the 90s. Cough cough – wonder why. BCCI need to get over the Mumbai attacks; move on. In contrast to Pakistan, if following the same political insecurity as India, would never have played India given the issue of Kashmir. Politics.

yes. There is political issues involved. Its a open secret.

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by ethan hunt lol, rashid expecting a morally corrupt board like the bcci to pay pakistan damages , lol bcci is notorious for not paying the share to fellow boards ....... but latif is right despite all their tries they just cant keep pakistan cricket down , while their own teams keeps getting whitewashed when they step foot on foreign shores ...............pakistan has embarassed them far too often for it to even be a contest now , i mean 70 to 45 that is domination of epic proprortions and even 12-9 in tests and that too when india have kept running away over the years , if only 11 out of a billion had some talent , the rivalry would not have resembled that of australia and bangladesh

so the point is?

[Dr Khan]

What world is Latif living in?

[ethan hunt]

Originally Posted by Itachi so the point is?

that bcci aint gonna pay(compensate) us due to them being corrupt and filthy and neither do i expect them to play us due to them being cowards , past record etc ..
so pakistan should just carry on their upward curve , forget india for a while , they are a team on the decline .

[leatherface58]

Originally Posted by ethan hunt that bcci aint gonna pay(compensate) us due to them being corrupt and filthy and neither do i expect them to play us due to them being cowards , past record etc .. so pakistan should just carry on their upward curve , forget india for a while , they are a team on the decline .

keep wishing boy. one day these wishes might come true i hope.

[duostyle]

Ask any Pakistani fan what some of the priorities are for our cricket. Playing a series with India will certainly feature quite down the order. Yet what does our newly appointed Chairman talk about on his first appearance on live television? Exactly.

The Board doesn't really care about the perception this gives of Pakistan when shamelessly begging the Indian board only to get snubbed endlessly.

Rashid (and others) can talk all they want, won't make a difference.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal Why do you think that is? Politics, NOT sports (a point which you conveniently ignored). Then again India didn’t play Pakistan too often in the 90s. Cough cough – wonder why. BCCI need to get over the Mumbai attacks; move on. In contrast to Pakistan, if following the same political insecurity as India, would never have played India given the issue of Kashmir. Politics.

LOL.You dont tell us when we move on and get over what.Dont play India citing Kashmir or any issue,we dont care.

But we do care that we dont help any agency/country/person who may be directly or indirectly involved in harming India and Indians.

India didnt play or Pakistan didnt play.Citing support to the Babri MAsjid issue.Then again Babri Masjid or Kashmir they are internal matters of India,Pakistan has nothing to do with it.According to your own Dawn newspaper it is different.

this might be useful

http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/AR...24SEP1997.html

[velu]

Originally Posted by ethan hunt lol, rashid expecting a morally corrupt board like the bcci to pay pakistan damages , lol bcci is notorious for not paying the share to fellow boards ....... but latif is right despite all their tries they just cant keep pakistan cricket down , while their own teams keeps getting whitewashed when they step foot on foreign shores ...............pakistan has embarassed them far too often for it to even be a contest now , i mean 70 to 45 that is domination of epic proprortions and even 12-9 in tests and that too when india have kept running away over the years , if only 11 out of a billion had some talent , the rivalry would not have resembled that of australia and bangladesh

yeah.. And see who blamed Engalnd for fixing without any proof.
Such a morally corrupt BCCI guys are.

[AZ]

IIRC it was not a scheduled FTP tour? then they don't have to pay a dime.

[1137moiz]

An Indian poster citing bad crowd behaviour?

[ash 68]

Pakistan should concentrate on playing the world no 1 team and repairing relations with them.

Indians don't want a Pakistan series as defeat is something they can't handle to what they consider an inferior country.Jealousy to the extreme

[greekscavenger]

Yeah, thats pretty hilarious to be honest. Indian cricket fans are worse than British football hooligans, Italian football Ultra's.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by Itachi yes. There is political issues involved. Its a open secret.

Right, so don't pretend it has anything to do with money.

[ethan hunt]

Originally Posted by leatherface58 keep wishing boy. one day these wishes might come true i hope.

so were you away on vacation during the england tour ??

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by s2k LOL.You dont tell us when we move on and get over what.Dont play India citing Kashmir or any issue,we dont care. But we do care that we dont help any agency/country/person who may be directly or indirectly involved in harming India and Indians. India didnt play or Pakistan didnt play.Citing support to the Babri MAsjid issue.Then again Babri Masjid or Kashmir they are internal matters of India,Pakistan has nothing to do with it.According to your own Dawn newspaper it is different.

What's up? The rule of the British still haunts you till this day? Bless.

The point I was making was that if Pakistan was sad enough to follow the cowardly footsteps of the politically motivated BCCI, then Pakistan wouldn’t be playing India period. But no, thankfully, Pakistanis are far more courageous than Indians.

Originally Posted by s2k this might be useful http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/AR...24SEP1997.html

Useful? Oh yes indeed! An excerpt:

In fact, Pakistan's two visits to India between 1989 and 1995 were cancelled for one reason or the other. Shiv Sena's threats forced the Pakistan cricket administrators to postpone the visit in 1991 and a year later, the demolition of historic Babri Masjid in Ayodhia further dampened the prospects of Pakistan crossing the borders. India, on the contrary, refused to come to Pakistan in 1993 for the Asia Cup saying it wouldn't come until they were paid a return visit by the Pakistanis.

You just got owned.

And here I thought you were going to post Pak Vs. India head-to-head stats. No wait, I don't think you have the balls.

[pakcrickfan]

Is latif smoking something? or Is he dreaming? he needs to either wake up or come back to reality. He talks as if BCCI is begging to play with us.

[pakcrickfan]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari I don't know what Latif wants? PCB goes to BCCI requesting to play us and we won't play us unless you pay us the compensation. It is like a beggar denying an old bill and demanding a new one. :zulkarnain stuff really...

this.

We are the ones begging. Beggers cannot be choosers. PCB should stop begging. They should think about arranging series with other teams, try to make as much money as possible through those series.

[s2k]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal What's up? The rule of the British still haunts you till this day? Bless. The point I was making was that if Pakistan was sad enough to follow the cowardly footsteps of the politically motivated BCCI, then Pakistan wouldn’t be playing India period. But no, thankfully, Pakistanis are far more courageous than Indians. Useful? Oh yes indeed! An excerpt: You just got owned. And here I thought you were going to post Pak Vs. India head-to-head stats. No wait, I don't think you have the balls.

LOL.PCB was the one which got political and refused to tour India in 90s..........as i have just posted the source.Again when you get owned you try to drift.

Conveniently forgot the Ayodhya issue which was mentioned in the article as well as the other parts of the article.

Also if Shiv Sena was such a threat why did PAkistan tour in 1999 when ShivSena threatened.The reason was MONEY.In 1991 BCCI had no money in 1999 BCCI was on its way to become one of the riches boards in the world.




1.PCB and Pakistan refused to tour Indian in 90s,citing political reasons such as Babri Masjid etc.So its PCB that started it BCCI is returning the Favour.FACT

2.If PCB can cancel 3 tours citing reasons which have nothing to do with any Pakistani and Pakistan then BCCI sure can cancel a tour citing reasons

a)Pakistani citizens were involved in killing hundreds of Indian on 26/11.A FACT ACCEPTED BY YOUR GOVT.

b)Pakistan was an unsafe place to tour.Proved by the Lahore attack on the Lankans.Another FACT.

Pakistan doesnt want to play India,dont as if we care a damn.

[saeed-sohail]

That's a blatant lie s2k. Can you give us link to this source plz. Thanks.

[srh]

On principle Rashid Latif is right. Any host team should be compensated for the loss of earnings if the touring team cancels the tour.

[90MPH]

He's lied many times Sohail, nothing new. Personally I'm not bothered, just play with the teams that are willing to play which is basically everybody else.

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal Right, so don't pretend it has anything to do with money.

politics runs for money, money runs for politics. Symbiotic relationship.

[Aampakistani]

Originally Posted by s2k LOL.PCB was the one which got political and refused to tour India in 90s..........as i have just posted the source.Again when you get owned you try to drift. Conveniently forgot the Ayodhya issue which was mentioned in the article as well as the other parts of the article. Also if Shiv Sena was such a threat why did PAkistan tour in 1999 when ShivSena threatened.The reason was MONEY.In 1991 BCCI had no money in 1999 BCCI was on its way to become one of the riches boards in the world. 1.PCB and Pakistan refused to tour Indian in 90s,citing political reasons such as Babri Masjid etc.So its PCB that started it BCCI is returning the Favour.FACT 2.If PCB can cancel 3 tours citing reasons which have nothing to do with any Pakistani and Pakistan then BCCI sure can cancel a tour citing reasons a)Pakistani citizens were involved in killing hundreds of Indian on 26/11.A FACT ACCEPTED BY YOUR GOVT. b)Pakistan was an unsafe place to tour.Proved by the Lahore attack on the Lankans.Another FACT. Pakistan doesnt want to play India,dont as if we care a damn.

obviously you do being on PAKpassion with almost 5000 posts.. Stop being obsessed...

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by s2k LOL.PCB was the one which got political and refused to tour India in 90s..........as i have just posted the source..

What source? Dawn news? You criticize Dawn news day in day out but no, when it helps your mumbo jumbo, Dawn is sweet is it?

You have posted nothing that helps your feeble cause other than the fact it was India that turned political with their home grown terrorist elite namely Shiv Sena. No? Cite other sources with excerpts.

The facts are simple; you Indians are too coward to play Pakistan but who cares? Even if Pakistan stop playing India from here on, we still whoop India in head to head stats - this is a cold hard fact that shall withstand the test of time until India grows a pair.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by s2k 1.PCB and Pakistan refused to tour Indian in 90s,citing political reasons such as Babri Masjid etc.So its PCB that started it BCCI is returning the Favour.FACT 2.If PCB can cancel 3 tours citing reasons which have nothing to do with any Pakistani and Pakistan then BCCI sure can cancel a tour citing reasons a)Pakistani citizens were involved in killing hundreds of Indian on 26/11.A FACT ACCEPTED BY YOUR GOVT. b)Pakistan was an unsafe place to tour.Proved by the Lahore attack on the Lankans.Another FACT.

LOL! What relevance does this have other than the fact you posted your response in Mahabharat colours?

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by Itachi politics runs for money, money runs for politics. Symbiotic relationship.

More like semantics.

Read this : http://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/news/...cricket-boards

It's clear BCCI are having sleepness nights over 2008, and that BCCI is governed by politicians, rather than the interest of the game.

It's ok, play Pakistan and we'll gift SRT his 100th 100 like we gifted India the WC. We have big hearts!

[Cricfan4eva]

What audacity, really. After what happened to SL team he still says India should compensate for 2009 tour? Why should one compensate if you can't provide proper security for international teams.

[Yanky Panky]

Simple fact is India does not think it is worth taking the risk losing to Pakistan in cricket. It affects the psyche of their janta.

[srh]

Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva What audacity, really. After what happened to SL team he still says India should compensate for 2009 tour? Why should one compensate if you can't provide proper security for international teams.

did not India cancelled tour before what happened to SL team? If yes then Rashid Latif is absolutely right in demanding a compensation, otherwise no.

[Cricfan4eva]

Originally Posted by srh did not India cancelled tour before what happened to SL team? If yes then Rashid Latif is absolutely right in demanding a compensation, otherwise no.

Yes and the very reason was India wasn't satisfied with the security. BCCI even warned SLC before sending their team, but they didn't bother and we know what happened.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by srh did not India cancelled tour before what happened to SL team? If yes then Rashid Latif is absolutely right in demanding a compensation, otherwise no.

Why are you confusing them? This is the MTV generation of cricket fans you are speaking to.

Of course BCCI cancelled the tour of Pakistan before the SL incident.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/SPORT/12...our/index.html

Is it a coincidence India cancelled the 2009 tour in 2008? Not unless one knows what's about to happen to SL in Pakistan in the coming months.

[ethan hunt]

Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva Yes and the very reason was India wasn't satisfied with the security. BCCI even warned SLC before sending their team, but they didn't bother and we know what happened.

now the question arises why did india warn the lankans or not want them to tour , when they themselves have toured pak in the past ????

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by ethan hunt now the question arises why did india warn the lankans or not want them to tour , when they themselves have toured pak in the past ????

So that India could avoid playing any WC games in Pakistan.

[Cricfan4eva]

Originally Posted by ethan hunt now the question arises why did india warn the lankans or not want them to tour , when they themselves have toured pak in the past ????

India last toured Pakistan in 2006-07 when there weren't any problems there or at least not of the magnitude which was during 2008-09 period + 26/11 didn't help the cause.

And the incident that happened with SL team is a testament to it.

[ethan hunt]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal So that India could avoid playing any WC games in Pakistan.

This.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva Yes and the very reason was India wasn't satisfied with the security. BCCI even warned SLC before sending their team, but they didn't bother and we know what happened.

Evidence? Or are you just making stuff up for the sake of it?

[Green Leopard]

Originally Posted by greekscavenger Yeah, thats pretty hilarious to be honest. Indian cricket fans are worse than British football hooligans, Italian football Ultra's.

this demonising indian cricket fans comparing them worse than football hooligans is getting abit lame now. Indian fans might be overly bias and monotone in their support but no cricket fans can compare to scum of football holigans in the UK and across Europe:


so please sort your own house in order before pointing fingers at cricket fans.

[Looney]

it is not like THEY are begging us to play a series

[srh]

Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva What audacity, really. After what happened to SL team he still says India should compensate for 2009 tour? Why should one compensate if you can't provide proper security for international teams.

Originally Posted by srh did not India cancelled tour before what happened to SL team? If yes then Rashid Latif is absolutely right in demanding a compensation, otherwise no.

Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva Yes and the very reason was India wasn't satisfied with the security. BCCI even warned SLC before sending their team, but they didn't bother and we know what happened.

you are not making sense. If a visting team cancels a tour before an incident has occured, then the host team cannot be held accountable for the cancellation of the tour. Real life is not like Minority Report movie.

[Pete Rose]

it should be a negotiated settlement...
along the way there will be the usually useless utterances from rashid latif, ehsan mani et al.
there are a few fans of course whose feelings are more hurt than the board and players involved

[Cricfan4eva]

Originally Posted by srh you are not making sense. If a visting team cancels a tour before an incident has occured, then the host team cannot be held accountable for the cancellation of the tour. Real life is not like Minority Report movie.

Let me make it easy for you.

First India cancelled the tour to Pakistan as it didn't find the security arrangement good enough.

Sri Lanka then agreed to fill in. There were reports during that time that BCCI was trying to stop SLC from touring.

Sri Lanka go ahead and then the inevitable happened. Which just proves why India was right by not touring Pakistan during that time, so what compensation is he asking?

[Love Pakistan]

I think we should just move on! Let India enjoy their glory days!

[cric]

Mr latif, Then pakistan shouldn't have played australia unless they've paid for compensate for the tours they have cancelled. in no time pakistan will be richer then india with all this compensate from all the boards. oh yeh india will beg pakistan to play with them. and Latif wakes up.

[zarak]

Originally Posted by Itachi @n_h: the fact here is, bcci right now, not depended on india pak match to maximize the profit unlike 90s. And as pcb loses influence, the power shifts to more and more on bccis side. India pak match holds importance for pcb. But not on the same level for bcci as it was once.... And this isn't my opinion. Its a fact.

but why does the bcci not want to play pakistan. finances apart why are they not playing us.

[gsivak]

India not playing Pakistan is mostly due to politics and security concerns. If not for the IPL, BCCI may have been tempted to press on Indian Govt for permission to play Pak for monetary benefits. BCCI makes lots of money through IPL and so financial considerations are no longer the primary motivation factor in its decision to play Pakistan.

Still Latif does not make sense. When the head of organization is on a mission to request for help, how can they follow up that request with a demand.....bizarre persuasion strategy!

[Wasim1]

I personally dont care if they have these stupid 7 day series. Look at India they arnt even playing their full strength squad against England, West Indies and before the world cup in South Africa.

Therefore if Pakistan plays them they'll field a second string side and if they win they'll say hahaha we didnt even need tendulkar, dhoni, yuvraj etc.

If they lose...well hey we didnt use tendulkar, dhoni yuvraj etc.

Regardless cricket is a 10 nation sport and they should meet in the big tournaments like upcoming champions trophy.

[Random Aussie]

Latif is deluded about the power balance here.

There is no way India will pay compensation for that tour.

PCB needs Indian cricket money to pay for the officials overseas trips and benefits for their relatives, BCCI would probably like to see a Pak-Ind series as would we all but BCCI do not need to play one.

I am no Indian cricket friend but the posts calling BCCI corrupt, when you have the PCB, are amusing.

[par]

NH,

1) Kashmir and Mumbai Attacks are two different Things. On Kashmir issue, India and Pakistan have completely different views. So, citing Kashmir issue you could've stopped playing with us. We could've done the same.

As for Mumbai attacks, we may argue that if we stopped playing Pakistan, it wouldn't be unreasonable, because it is a fact that some Pakistanis killed Indians in Mumbai.

2) I would personally prefer if politics and sports kept away from each other. But, given the hysteria cricket creates in our countries, it is better we don't play cricket with each other in the near future and hope the future brinks some calm between us.

The Lahore attack on Sri Lankan cricketers only resulted in cancellation of tours by other countries to Pakistan. But a similar happens on Indians in Pakistan or Pakistanis in India, it will not result in nothing less than a war. It is a high risk to take for a mere game.

3) The overall record of India with any other major country is nothing to be proud of. Have we stopped playing with them?

After 2000 (After we got rid of the match fixing monkey of our shoulders) we have improved our record drastically compared to earlier years. Against you in this period we stand 4-3 in tests and 20-22 in ODIs. It is not that bad, right? If you still think you can crush us if we played now, you are welcome.

[Strike!]

I think the bigger issue here is that India is refusing to play Pakistan at a neutral venue more than anything else. Other teams have no problems playing Pakistan in the UAE, Why are India so hesitant?

[Random Aussie]

India should not be allowed to refuse a series in UAE IMO, so long as no matches in Sharjah.

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal It's clear BCCI are having sleepness nights over 2008, and that BCCI is governed by politicians, rather than the interest of the game. It's ok, play Pakistan and we'll gift SRT his 100th 100 like we gifted India the WC. We have big hearts!

the mtv generation of pakistan has forgotten what happened in the past.

This outcome is due to deteriorated relationship between india and pakistan. And the major share goes to pakistan.

Big heart people don't attack others when conflict arises. 3 wars happened in the past due to offensive stance of pakistan. Its the dual face of pakistan which has damaged the relationship. And due to this, india can never trust pakistan. And ofcourse, this will reflect on sports or on other aspects too.

Don't portray pakistan as angels. If you switch off the mtv and read some history, you'l know that the origin of conflicts like this goes decades back.

[bad boy]

I firmly beleive that, not playing cricket with pakistan is like "pinching a kid on ears" ploy by Indian govt. Can we really tell why will Indian Govt. deny cricketing ties with pakistan? Are they beneficiaries of BCCI, are they high on drugs? Foolish ?? Well No !!
Indian govt. does not want any monetary benefits to be relished by pakistan routed through India. Pakistan overall is a small country with a small economy, Playing cricket with pakistan invariably means, boosting pak economy, boosting their foreign investors. Axeing pak players from IPL? its in direct correlation with my theory.
Attack on Srilankan players by Taliban?? Where does Talibanis get the funding from?? Its only a speculation..

P.S : I am an Indian.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by par After 2000 (After we got rid of the match fixing monkey of our shoulders) we have improved our record drastically compared to earlier years. Against you in this period we stand 4-3 in tests and 20-22 in ODIs. It is not that bad, right? If you still think you can crush us if we played now, you are welcome.

During, and after the spot fixing scandal was put to rest, Pakistan hasn't lost a single series, (playing all games away). Not that bad right?

Of course I think Pakistan can crush India in a bilateral series, but telling me 'You're welcome' doesn't follow given BCCI refuse to schedule any games against Pakistan.

We're game, question is, are you?

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by Itachi the mtv generation of pakistan has forgotten what happened in the past. This outcome is due to deteriorated relationship between india and pakistan. And the major share goes to pakistan. Big heart people don't attack others when conflict arises. 3 wars happened in the past due to offensive stance of pakistan. Its the dual face of pakistan which has damaged the relationship. And due to this, india can never trust pakistan. And ofcourse, this will reflect on sports or on other aspects too.

If that’s the garbage the government of India and media feeds you, then so be it.

For the record, there was never any degree of trust, unity, or respect, between Pakistan and India since the day of inception! So quit pretending.

Originally Posted by Itachi Don't portray pakistan as angels.

We sure are far more courageous than Indians, that was the point.

Originally Posted by Itachi If you switch off the mtv and read some history, you'l know that the origin of conflicts like this goes decades back.

You just didn't say this did you?

Most of you pumpkins never watched the 1996 WC SF let alone picked up a history book.

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by bad boy I firmly beleive that, not playing cricket with pakistan is like "pinching a kid on ears" ploy by Indian govt. Can we really tell why will Indian Govt. deny cricketing ties with pakistan? Are they beneficiaries of BCCI, are they high on drugs? Foolish ?? Well No !! Indian govt. does not want any monetary benefits to be relished by pakistan routed through India. Pakistan overall is a small country with a small economy, Playing cricket with pakistan invariably means, boosting pak economy, boosting their foreign investors. Axeing pak players from IPL? its in direct correlation with my theory. Attack on Srilankan players by Taliban?? Where does Talibanis get the funding from?? Its only a speculation.. P.S : I am an Indian.

indian or pakistani doesn't matter. The answer to those questions are in post #63.

A series against pakistan will be a profitable step for bcci too. But some things are above money my friend.

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal If that’s the garbage the government of India and media feeds you, then so be it.

garbage? Those are facts.... Tell me pakistan never attacked india. Tell me even after signing peace treaty in shimla agreement why kargil war happened? The fact here is, india did try to reestablish a good relationship (vajpayee era). Pakistan welcomed that step. But dual nature of pakistan revealed (again) as time passed. Ofcourse it'l affect every field. Sports, finance, foreign affairs....

For the record, Pakistan never trusted India since the day of inception!

when your intentions are bad, you surely see the actions of others from that perspective. Its a natural instinct.

We sure are far more courageous than Indians, that was the point.

superficially yes. But pakistan has history of stabbing on the back. We atleast don't have dual nature.

[Romali_rotti]

Its easy for Latif to talk like the tough guy when he has nothing to do with the PCB, He wouldve been sucking it up to BCCI like crazy had he been in charge of PCB to play India.. Who are we kidding here, we all know whats going on here.... Latif you got ur 10cents worth of media attention now SHOOOO off you go..

[pakcrickfan]

Its funny to see lot of naive PPers still agree with Latif. :facepalm. we cant demand while begging.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by Itachi garbage? Those are facts.... Tell me pakistan never attacked india. Tell me even after signing peace treaty in shimla agreement why kargil war happened? The fact here is, india did try to reestablish a good relationship (vajpayee era). Pakistan welcomed that step. But dual nature of pakistan revealed (again) as time passed. Ofcourse it'l affect every field. Sports, finance, foreign affairs....

Yes dude, garbage. You sit there and proclaim India's innocence, it’s a joke.

Originally Posted by Itachi when your intentions are bad, you surely see the actions of others from that perspective. Its a natural instinct.

Intentions are bad? Heard of Shiv Sena? An internationally recognised terrorist organisation, which not only controls Mumbai, but pockets of BCCI too? And you sit here and talk of intentions?

Your Government is powerless and weak against such an organisation.

Originally Posted by Itachi superficially yes. But pakistan has history of stabbing on the back. We atleast don't have dual nature.

No dual nature? You mean much like India with respect to Israel/Palestine? Wake up, politics is all about duality. Look it up.

Ultimately the point is that sports and politics should be segregated, and it comes as no surprise that India just don’t have the gonads to play Pakistan, but instead masquerade behind political issues of the past.

Learn to live in the present.

[Strike!]

Getting a bit too OT in this thread.

[Zamee]

Originally Posted by bad boy I firmly beleive that, not playing cricket with pakistan is like "pinching a kid on ears" ploy by Indian govt. Can we really tell why will Indian Govt. deny cricketing ties with pakistan? Are they beneficiaries of BCCI, are they high on drugs? Foolish ?? Well No !! Indian govt. does not want any monetary benefits to be relished by pakistan routed through India. Pakistan overall is a small country with a small economy, Playing cricket with pakistan invariably means, boosting pak economy, boosting their foreign investors. Axeing pak players from IPL? its in direct correlation with my theory. Attack on Srilankan players by Taliban?? Where does Talibanis get the funding from?? Its only a speculation.. P.S : I am an Indian.

From India ??

[par]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal During, and after the spot fixing scandal was put to rest, Pakistan hasn't lost a single series, (playing all games away). Not that bad right?

I was not comparing India with Pakistan. You had some success in the past as well. But India is doing well only now. I said our present record is better than our past record.

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal Of course I think Pakistan can crush India in a bilateral series, but telling me 'You're welcome' doesn't follow given BCCI refuse to schedule any games against Pakistan. We're game, question is, are you?

You are welcome to 'think'.

And I have every right to 'think' that An India-Pakistan series now will really be competitive and India may edge slightly.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by par I was not comparing India with Pakistan. You had some success in the past as well. But India is doing well only now. I said our present record is better than our past record.

Really?

After 2000 (After we got rid of the match fixing monkey of our shoulders) we have improved our record drastically compared to earlier years. Against you in this period we stand 4-3 in tests and 20-22 in ODIs. It is not that bad, right? If you still think you can crush us if we played now, you are welcome.

Originally Posted by par And I have every right to 'think' that An India-Pakistan series now will really be competitive and India may edge slightly.

No one denied you the right to think, I really don’t understand where this insecurity stems from.

As for India having the edge, only one way to find out.

Like I said, we're game, are you?

[par]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal During, and after the spot fixing scandal was put to rest, Pakistan hasn't lost a single series, (playing all games away). Not that bad right? Of course I think Pakistan can crush India in a bilateral series, but telling me 'You're welcome' doesn't follow given BCCI refuse to schedule any games against Pakistan. We're game, question is, are you?

Sorry, I got confused over there. I thought what he is talking about? We haven't played after the spot fixing scandal. My bad.

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal No one denied you the right to think, I really don’t understand where this insecurity stems from.

What insecurity you are talking about?

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal As for India having the edge, only one way to find out. Like I said, we're game, are you?

I don't really decide things for Indian govt. as you well know They are not willing at this time. So no way to find out.

[Namak_Halaal]

Originally Posted by par What insecurity you are talking about?

When users state "they have a right to do x y z". I don't understand the need for such a comment since no one is denying anyone their rights, expecially, to think.

Originally Posted by par I don't really decide things for Indian govt. as you well know They are not willing at this time. So no way to find out.

I meant as in you, are you up for it? Would you want India to play Pakistan?

[par]

Originally Posted by Namak_Halaal I meant as in you, are you up for it? Would you want India to play Pakistan?

I have answered to you even before you asked the question

[cricketindiafan]

The day IPL and CL's popularity starts going down (is already happening) hitting BCCI's profits, they will agree for a Ind-Pak tour. As of now, they have an alternate source of income and hence Ind-Pak series isn't very high on their agenda.

The day they see the profits dwindling, thus impacting the luxurious lives of the BCCI goons, an Ind-Pak series will be played. The Govt at this point doesn't seem to have a problem, the BCCI is probably also being vindictive for the anti BCCI comments made by some current and ex-PCB officials.

We have had a Pakistani kabbadi team play in India recently, Pakistani football team are right now playing in the SAFF Cup in Delhi, all without any issues. Cricket matches too can go on but unfortunately will happen only when the BCCI babus want it. Not the ideal situation but can't expect anything better from these unprofessional goons.

[MMHS]

I feel, Latif is an honest man & follows his heart, so often, politically not so correct. But, this is a stupid comment, someone trying to put undue pressure on the new Chairman.

Not only India, any major team (I doubt even the minor teams) is not likely travel to Pak in near future, may be in this regard in next few years. Pak's option is to play India overseas, most likely in UAE or UK & SAF. Now, india don't tour UAE & due to the brilliance of the then Chairman, forget about being 3rd party host, I doubt if ECB 'll invite PAK team apart from the FTP in UK. & if ECB don't agree, bet my poor penny, USACB or ACB 'll not host Pak.

At current state, BCCI don't need to play PAK & even if they play, they 'll not tour UAE or PAK. On contrary, it's essential that PAK plays with elite teams, whenever, wherever, whatever (Test, ODI, T20, even A tour, U-19). This sort of comment 'll only hurt PAK team. It harsh, but so true that "Money is honey" & BCCI has it in abundance.

Mature statement 'll be to encourage Pak to play with India, even in India with some sort of revenue sharing module. Even, I would suggest PCB to arrange PAK home series against India, in India with a reasonable contract. 25% of the proceed share 'll be good enough to balance their books.