Play Sami at the allrounder's spot?

[Systematicx0x]

Here's an idea. Considering all the hacks we have been playing, as "all rounders" lately.....like Malik and Rehman, the way Sami has been batting for the last year or so, he could very well be played as an ALL ROUNDER in ODI and T20 Cricket. This constant ignoring of that fact that he was always a good ODI bowler with a good record, because he was terrible in test cricket, needs to end. He's still only 31 and fitter and more athletic then most of our team. Still the fastest bowler we have, bowls express pace at will.

The amount of talent, or lack of talent we have in limited overs cricket at the moment, Sami could very well do a lot of good for the team. Will give us the much needed express pace with some swing...with the new ball, and then with the old with reverse coming into play. He's also still one of the best fielders going around, and good enough to smack a few against most bowlers lower down the order. Even during the Inzi era, he used to score a few handy runs...scored quiet a few 30s in very quick time. Now, he's a much better batsman.

Sami could very well do what Chris Broad has been doing for England...very capable of doing just that. Play him at the All rounder's spot instead of Rehman/Malik! That spot should be fought between Hammad Azam, and Sami. Hammad being a better batsman, while Sami being the better bowler but both can do a decent job in the other field. This over reliance on spin needs to end. Hafeez, Ajmal and Afridi are more then enough. We need 3 fast men at all times in the line up, hate this bullcrap Misbah's been putting out.

[insaftak]

^^

my contribution to the thread

[Muzy]

those were the days

s akhtar
m sami
a razzaq

sami was unfortunate, if he had never changed his action he would have gone places in the international world same like akhtar both talented bowlers just didn't know how to utilise it in the game consistently - partly blame PCB who never could understand how to handle talented players

[emclub]

enough is enough

its time for sami's comeback in ODIs

[Professor]

Originally Posted by insaftak ^^ my contribution to the thread

TBH its not that bad of a idea, Mohammed sami made 579 runs in the last Quaid E Azam trophy with an average of 32, he outscored proper batsman like Barbar Naeem, Imran Nazir,Hasan Raza, Qaiser Abbas and a few more. So him playing as an all rounder batting at number # 8 would not be such a terrible call

[BakuGM]

Sami needs to be given one last chance in ODI and 20/20 ONLY. Should never ever be back in test match team.

[Zaz]

Seen it all before Hes useless against quality international opposition

Move on

[Professor]

Originally Posted by Zaz Seen it all before Hes useless against quality international opposition Move on

Yes he is rubbish in test cricket but in ODI cricket he has been good even against the top teams, just look at overall record or the last ODI game he played before he was dropped from the ODI team based on his performance in test cricket

[hhhhdmt]

give him another chance

[SOSami]

I think we all agree, the Pak ODI team is full of hacks and trundles. Let's get a thoroughbred in the team. I say bring him back as captain.

ODIs and tuktuk - oil and water.

[khurramjamil]

The time is gone for SAMI to come back to Pak team .. but I miss this kind of a fast fierce bowler ... his pace is still better than the current fast bowlers of our team.. we are seriously missing this kind of a bowler ... he was good and fast before .. good to see that he is still naturally fast!

[Couch Cricketer]

Over the last couple of year he has been performing well was really good as Karachi's captain in T20 I do think he could play T20 for Pakistan is better than most of the bowlers currently. but not in ODI as I feel he is good for short bursts of 1-2 overs

[Justcrazy]

If given a chance , he should be batting at number 8 , not above that. International cricket would not allow him to hit those sixes. should be viewed as a slogger at best ......... efficient slogger.

[Shayan]

Quality batsmen find his bowling far too easy to face.

[Down2Earth]

now I've heard it all

[Desi_Joker]

Originally Posted by insaftak ^^ my contribution to the thread

I concur.

[Fireworks11]

Hammad anyone..

[Pakhtoon_Rules]

OP

Are you serious lol

[Zaz]

Sami all rounder?

Think some ppers are losing their minds

The guy can hardly bowl and you want him to score decently with the bat too??

[Fireworks11]

It's a fun thread.

[TalhaSyed]

I'm sure thats what they tried to do with Rehman.
A spin bowler 'who can bat'
We have all seen how much he struggles to touch the ball with his bat.

[SOSami]

As the OP indicated, he'd bat better than Malik or Rehman.

[ads101]

Originally Posted by SOSami As the OP indicated, he'd bat better than Malik or Rehman.

not by much.

Think Riaz has more potential with the bat if applied properly. Already had two crucial knocks with the bat in SA. Does get out cheaply, but recently in domestic has shown better talent with the bat.

Don't think our tailenders batting is the problem. Usually teams only have one guy who can really bat out of the bowlers (England perhaps have two with swann and Broad or even three with Bresnan). We have afridi, who is a better bat than most bowlers really (and certainly has the potential to get a big innings which other bowlers lack). Not many guys batting at eight who have six centuries to their name and 32 half centuries (though granted he's got a lot of his high scores higher up the order, but still shows he's got the quality to get centuries and half centuries).

Mistake we did last game was play a bowler at number seven. Should always go with a batsman at seven, makes your team a lot stronger knowing you've got a solid batsman at seven. We've got enough bowling options, a part time bowler will do. Should have played Hammad last match. Teams play with seven batsmen usually, it's the best strategy. Might as well play a batsman at seven, as we need to try out guys to fufil that spot and perhaps a possible move up the order too.

Not to mention the next world cup is in Australia. We'd be mad to not go with seven batsmen.

[in_cutter]

Lol funny thread this!

[zains_rulez]

please wake up

[JellyBro]

i'll pretend i never saw this thread.....

[shahrukh619]

Sami is not an allrounder

Kukri bat's and bowl's better then him...

Kukri for allrounder

[Amjid Javed]

brilliant thread!

[JibranAnsari]

Lol , lets make him and kukri captains and vice captains and zulqarnain our WK.

[Iffitheking]

x (100000000000)10000000000x(10000000000000)10000000 = error.. infinite facepalm to this thread...

[Khurram_Shehzad]

Sami should be in the team as a bowler...yes he should be there

[Justcrazy]

should be given short spells to bowl at. Pakistan need better tail enders or else they will loose a lot of close matches.

[shahrukh619]

Originally Posted by JibranAnsari Lol , lets make him and kukri captains and vice captains and zulqarnain our WK.

Fair call if Kukri is captain

[chui_kadoo]

He will probably bat just as bad as rehman when it comes to the crunch

[Amoeba]

The man we are crying out for is Abdul Razzaq - yet he used to get a terrible slamming here on pp.

[Express Pace]

Lets get some pace back into the team, the trundlers are sickening the watch and a disgrace to our fast bowling heritage.

[shahrukh619]

Originally Posted by Amoeba The man we are crying out for is Abdul Razzaq - yet he used to get a terrible slamming here on pp.

He can't bat.....only shows good performance once in a blue moon.. We need consisstency with an allrounder, not one good performance continue with 10 failiures.

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by Express Pace Lets get some pace back into the team, the trundlers are sickening the watch and a disgrace to our fast bowling heritage.

maybe - but the last three off the prodution line - Amir, Asif and Shoaib have all been a disgrace

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by shahrukh619 He can't bat.....only shows good performance once in once blue moon.. We need consisstency with an allrounder, not one good performance continue with 10 failiures.

Possibly but certainly the best batting all-rounder we have produced since Imran. I can't think of a better lower order hitter in the intervening period.

[Zaz]

Hammad needs to play at 6 - the man is a proper batsman who can play as a batting all rounder and bowl a handful of overs if need be

Afridi at 7 and Adnan at 8 With this the lower order looks decent and we have a proper keeper

[shahrukh619]

Originally Posted by Amoeba Possibly but certainly the best batting all-rounder we have produced since Imran. I can't think of a better lower order hitter in the intervening period.

Wasn't Azhar Mahmood better then Razzaq?

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by shahrukh619 Wasn't Azhar Mahmood better then Razzaq?

Azhar Mahmood has been on fire with the bat for the past year and much more consistent than Razzaq

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by shahrukh619 Wasn't Azhar Mahmood better then Razzaq?

Even if he had been given greater chances in my opinion no. Abdul Razzaq averages more than 10 runs higher - not that I go by averages that much.

Lets face it, even though people here don't seem to rate him that highly, we haven't had a better jamodi batting all-rounder in the last 20 years!

[Obeid]

Those bashing this thread need to note its just an idea from the OP considering Sami did have a decent time with the bat this past season in domestic. Also, he never was a crappy limited overs bowler and honestly would help this team in that department.

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by chui_kadoo Azhar Mahmood has been on fire with the bat for the past year and much more consistent than Razzaq

Still a big step up from first class to international, and his bowling is far worse.....plus he's English now!

[Zaz]

Originally Posted by Amoeba Even if he had been given greater chances in my opinion no. Abdul Razzaq averages more than 10 runs higher - not that I go by averages that much. Lets face it, even though people here don't seem to rate him that highly, we haven't had a better jamodi batting all-rounder in the last 20 years!

True but his best days are behind him - hes not getting better with age His batting stats for the last 2-3 years are quite poor.

If we want a batting all rounder then there are others like hammad who has a better technique, and adds a lot more all round to the team than razzaq does at present

[TigerJat]

why don't we open the batting with Sami also, name him captain, coach and chief selector

[Legend Killer]

Originally Posted by Obeid Those bashing this thread need to note its just an idea from the OP considering Sami did have a decent time with the bat this past season in domestic. Also, he never was a crappy limited overs bowler and honestly would help this team in that department.

Exactly, why are people ignoring the fact that the guy scored 500 runs in the last domestic season which was more than a few top order batsman including Hasan Raza and Imran Nazir. And there is no way Sami is a worst batsman than Rehman, he is capable of hitting the big shots and he has played a few little cameos in ODI cricket for us.

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by Zaz True but his best days are behind him - hes not getting better with age His batting stats for the last 2-3 years are quite poor. If we want a batting all rounder then there are others like hammad who has a better technique, and adds a lot more all round to the team than razzaq does at present

Fair enough - although it is only recently in the last 12 months that his batting has dipped - although his bowling has improved. I agree it is time for a change perhaps - but its funny how so many ppers have maligned Abdul Razzaq over the years yet he has still been the best all-rounder we have produced since Imran!

[Safar55]

Play sami in the cheema/wahab spot. Rehman is good for his bowling but he can bat at 11 if required. Rehman should always go for under 4 an over and might pick up a wicket, but will generally buld pressure if our other spinners ajmal, afridi and hafeez pick up wickets. Gul and sami will do well under lightsif bowling second.

Our only problem is discipline from the seamers. Can they avoid no balls extras and that compulsary one 4 ball per over they love giving. If the seamers can go at 4 an over, i'm sure our spinners will do the rest - well if akmal can take the catches

[1137moiz]

Originally Posted by shahrukh619 Wasn't Azhar Mahmood better then Razzaq?

Um no.

Azhar Mahmood was a talented MO batsman MashaAllah as well as an OK medium pacer who did very well in 1999/2000 (averaging about 20 in that time with ball) but otherwise averaged 50+ with the ball. Mahmood's problem was inconsistnecy, he wasn't helped by poor management but the same was said of Abdul Razzaq who MashaAllah still managed to outperform him with bat and ball.

They were a very fine bowling partnership especially as well as fine hitters down the order MashaAllah. The area where Mahmood was wronged was in Tests, he was much more suited to that format MashaAllah but dropped early unfortunately

[1137moiz]

Sami is a hardworking tailender with a big heart MashaAllah and also tries to improve with the bat. However if he is to be played it is purely as an express pacer, our seamers are generally fast-medium though Riaz is the quickest and usually bowls in the 140s (I'd call him fast but not express). Gul, Junaid and Cheema have cranked it up but are not consistently that quick.

If we need an allrounder it's a BATSMAN WHO CAN BOWL since the batsmen are so weak and unreliable. Hence Hammad Azam fits the bill and will do well InshaAllah

[ali85]

Kiya aap drugs kar rahay hain?

[JeffThommo_fan]

It a very good idea to play Sami as an all-rounder in the team. Even I have noticed that his batting has improved a lot. to this idea

[JeffThommo_fan]

Its time that Pakistan start looking for some seaming all-rounders. Hammad Azam is another very good choice. I became a fan of Azam when I first saw him in U-19 WC. Hope he has improved his bowling since then

[Systematicx0x]

It's funny how against people are against this idea....and then in the very same breathe, go on to suggest someone like Sohail Tanvir for the role, who is nothing more then a one dimensional trundler as a bowler, and a leg side slogger with just one shot who'll never be able to score any runs against a good thinking bowler. Or a has-been like Razzaq, who performs once out of every 15 games and one of the worse fielders to ever play for pakistan.

The whole point of the thread was, that considering the hacks we have playing RIGHT NOW in that role, ei. Malik or Rehman......Sami is a much better option.

You lot refuse to even acknowledge that Sami looks to be bowling close to 150k and swinging the ball....and last season alone, scored more runs then a lot of our frontline stablished batsmen in the Domestic and our premier tournaments. Last couple of seasons, he has scored consistent runs, as well as taken a lot of wickets. He is still by far the fastest bowler available to us.....and the fact that he was ALWAYS a good ODI bowler.

I am all for playing Hammad let me tell you, but he is a good batsman and just a trundler...a batting all rounder. He is still needed in the team, provided our frail batting n late order, but for some reason....Misbah just doesn't rate him to highly or just doesn't wanna give him a chance because he'd rather play his buddies which seems to be the case.

Sami could strengthen our late batting order/tail AND provide us with much needed sheer express pace. The best way to get the tail out, IS through sheer express pace into the stumps. Not length and short pitch bowling of Omar and Co.