Awais Zia and David Warner

[Muhammad Waleed]

Look at David warner, he played one gem of an innings today. David Warner was a pure slogger few weeks ago but today he has turned into a different kind of player. A pretty calm Innings of 163 from 156 balls. Whereas Awais Zia is just few days younger than him. He is also a left handed batsmen and likes playing shot on leg side just like David warner..

In t20's David Warner's strike rate is 142.95 and Awais Zia who has not played as much matches as David warner have played in, has a strike rate of 135

David Warner Averages 30 in t20 and Awais Zia 25. technically Awais Zia have alot to improve. But the Question is can't we convert him into a player like David warner?

[iZaman]

lol sorry....

Warner came up through a process i.e Shield cricket.
Where as Awaiz Zia flourished only through his Faysal Bank T20 final + a couple of other T20 tourneys. He fails even in our domestic.

[Harper]

a BIG NOOOOOOOOOO..its just like comparing a future great to an ordinary player( but he has a lot to prove) .. my heart says YESSSSSSSSSSS

[SOSami]

Heard a similar point being made I think by Jonathan Agnew.

I suppose it comes down to whether a player has the will to improve. Warner obviously has worked tremendously hard to get into the test team, it wasn't just that he continued to be a bit of a T20 hack and suddenly found himself in the test team, there was lot of time and effort in improving himself.

I don't think it will purely be due to coaches converting him though. It come down to the personal desire of a player. Someone like Shahzaib is still young too, but I've seen no desire in him to tighten his technique and become a success in the longer form of the game either.

Look at a guy like Kohli, I'm not comparing directly to a hack like Zia, but at the moment he is essentially a top ODI player with the desire to become a good test player and he works hard at it. Similarly someone like Shafiq wants to improve.

Question is, does Zia want it?

[Ashraful_Rox]

Awais Zia lol, please this guy is as good as Alok Kapali. Warner is a legend in the making.

[Wristy_Shuffler]

Originally Posted by SOSami Question is, does Zia want it?

Well, he showed an ability to learn and adapt in the 3rd T20, so maybe the signs are good?

[proud_pakistani]

A better comparison wudve been Nasir Jamshed and Warner. both have a similar built too. Zia is at the maximum going to be good enough to get 20 odd runs that too only if its in his zone.

[Pak_Jazba]

Originally Posted by proud_pakistani A better comparison wudve been Nasir Jamshed and Warner. both have a similar built too. Zia is at the maximum going to be good enough to get 20 odd runs that too only if its in his zone.

Nasir Jamshed has a pathetic technique. No foot movement at all, he will fail the moment he steps out of the subcontinent.

[proud_pakistani]

Originally Posted by Pak_Jazba Nasir Jamshed has a pathetic technique. No foot movement at all, he will fail the moment he steps out of the subcontinent.

and Awais Zia has a good technique? None of the Pakistanis have a good technique barring a few players.

[osee_bhai]

Batting and fielding averages
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
T20Is 3 3 0 47 23 15.66 52 90.38 0 0 2 3 0 0
First-class 36 60 6 2072 232 38.37 3 9 38 0
List A 19 15 0 203 72 13.53 305 66.55 0 1 20 0 9 0
Twenty20 22 22 2 507 60 25.35 369 137.39 0 3 66 16 5 0

Batting and fielding averages
Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Tests 6 10 2 419 180 52.37 510 82.15 2 0 47 6 9 0
ODIs 18 18 0 405 74 22.50 488 82.99 0 3 40 5 5 0
T20Is 31 31 0 808 89 26.06 569 142.00 0 5 80 35 18 0
First-class 17 27 3 1379 211 57.45 1865 73.94 5 3 164 21 14 0
List A 53 53 2 1515 165* 29.70 1631 92.88 2 7 146 36 13 0
Twenty20 117 117 8 3368 135* 30.89 2356 142.95 4 19 339 144 55 0

I'm going to let you guess who has the 57 fc average playing shield cricket (toughest domestic comp in the world) and who has a 38 av in our domestic cricket. Warner's list A and t20 stats also blow Zia's out of the water.

[PerfectionPersonified]

Originally Posted by Jeeway lol sorry.... Warner came up through a process i.e Shield cricket. Where as Awaiz Zia flourished only through his Faysal Bank T20 final + a couple of other T20 tourneys. He fails even in our domestic.

WRONG - Warner never played a First class cricket before he played for australia in T20

[humzy]

Originally Posted by Muhammad Waleed Look at David warner, he played one gem of an innings today. David Warner was a pure slogger few weeks ago but today he has turned into a different kind of player. A pretty calm Innings of 163 from 156 balls. Whereas Awais Zia is just few days younger than him. He is also a left handed batsmen and likes playing shot on leg side just like David warner.. In t20's David Warner's strike rate is 142.95 and Awais Zia who has not played as much matches as David warner have played in, has a strike rate of 135 David Warner Averages 30 in t20 and Awais Zia 25. technically Awais Zia have alot to improve. But the Question is can't we convert him into a player like David warner?

no.. warner actually proved himself in the test arena.. scoring 150 odd, and since then has continued on well in all formats.. hes not slogging leg side shots, hes playing with a straight bat as well.. he just has immense power

[HashimAmlaFan]

Originally Posted by Muhammad Waleed Look at David warner, he played one gem of an innings today. David Warner was a pure slogger few weeks ago but today he has turned into a different kind of player. A pretty calm Innings of 163 from 156 balls. Whereas Awais Zia is just few days younger than him. He is also a left handed batsmen and likes playing shot on leg side just like David warner.. In t20's David Warner's strike rate is 142.95 and Awais Zia who has not played as much matches as David warner have played in, has a strike rate of 135 David Warner Averages 30 in t20 and Awais Zia 25. technically Awais Zia have alot to improve. But the Question is can't we convert him into a player like David warner?

I don't think so. Zia is not a tecnically sounded 1. He doesn't know the right way to play cricket. Not mature at all. Whereas Warner, not classical, but very mature indeed. He has all the shots in the book, and knows when to play what. So, comparing Zia with Warner is just insane.

[Paradox]

lol @ this thread.

Warner would probably want to punish himself for even being mentioned in the same sentence as Awais Zia.

[MR__KHAN__JI]

lmfao.....

[rhussain33]

Hahaha warner and Awais Zia comparisons !!

Im a big fan of Zia and want him to do really well, but this is just

Might as well start comparing Warner to Salman Butt and Imran Farhat

Ones languishing in prison and the other is just pure ******** trash

[IAJ]

Originally Posted by Jeeway lol sorry.... Warner came up through a process i.e Shield cricket[/B]. Where as Awaiz Zia flourished only through his Faysal Bank T20 final + a couple of other T20 tourneys. He fails even in our domestic.

What shield ar you talking about?

Warner played his first T20I in january 2009 and made his first class debut in march 2009 I think.

[Random Aussie]

Warner played T20 for us but was made to wait in grade cricket and prove he could score runs for at least a year before he was picked for NSW. And he made his test debut after being the best performed first class batter.

To imply that he got any sort of free ride because of T 20 is totally wrong, has earnt his test selection on merit and holds his test place on merit. He is much improved player from his T20 debut.

Haven't seen Zia so can't comment there

[Down2Earth]

zia

Thanks to the OP, I've never had such a good laugh in a long time

[12cavalry]

Originally Posted by Pak_Jazba Nasir Jamshed has a pathetic technique. No foot movement at all, he will fail the moment he steps out of the subcontinent.

Not only Nasir all of our batsmen will fail in that case.

[PakPosheeda]

Originally Posted by Pak_Jazba Nasir Jamshed has a pathetic technique. No foot movement at all, he will fail the moment he steps out of the subcontinent.

Like Warne averaged 47 in India?

Some of our fans need to gain some self respect.

Subcontinent's where cricket's at. Dont you see them Aussies/English running to subcontinent for money?

[Green Leopard]

I have seen Warner reverse-pull a pace bowler for a six! Long way for Zia to go even in T20 to match Warner.

[humzy]

Warner reminds me of a rougher version of matty hayden

[Equinox]

David Warner will consider quitting cricket after seeing this thread...

[musama]

Originally Posted by rhussain33 Hahaha warner and Awais Zia comparisons !! Im a big fan of Zia and want him to do really well, but this is just Might as well start comparing Warner to Salman Butt and Imran Farhat Ones languishing in prison and the other is just pure ******** trash

y do we need comprisons ????

[shortbread]

Lets be clear about what the OP's asking,

Can Zia be converted into Warner?!!

Well there are two questions in return:
1) Who will convert him into Warner? The management, seniors, coaching staff etc... have failed to groom youngsters on various occassions.

2) How badly does Zia crave for success?! The likes of Warner, Chandimal, Kohli, Thirimanne are determined to perform on the big stage. The grit and determination they show is amazing, Zia will have to carve his own path.

Theres a lot of excitement and hope everytime a new batting talent makes his way into the playing eleven and more often that not they fail to impress in the long run.

[Justcrazy]

Look the thing is that Talent is not everything. Zia might not be as talented as warner , but if he is really determined and puts in extra effort , and works on his weakness ..... I am sure he can improve to an extent. But he has to be making those effort himself, coach is there for the whole squad, he would not just work with him.

[Pak_Jazba]

Originally Posted by proud_pakistani and Awais Zia has a good technique? None of the Pakistanis have a good technique barring a few players.

True. Didn't like Zia from what I saw of him. Not only does it hurt the eyes to see such a guy bat, upon that his inability to play spin will hurt his chances to play even more.

Agreed not many openers have good technique, but for sure there are many players with a better technique than Zia, Jamshed who could open for Pakistan.

Originally Posted by PakPosheeda Like Warne averaged 47 in India? Some of our fans need to gain some self respect. Subcontinent's where cricket's at. Dont you see them Aussies/English running to subcontinent for money?

And you cannot be called a good team unless you go out of your shelter and beat the giants in their own backyard. Which means playing outside the subcontinent!.

[cricpak]

even if u compare warner with imran nazir or even shahid Afridi, warner would easily be a better batsmen. Warner doesnt just hit slogs but proper cricket shots, and plays with his eyes open.

Warner is just a legend in opening for t20s

[HashimAmlaFan]

Originally Posted by cricpak even if u compare warner with imran nazir or even shahid Afridi, warner would easily be a better batsmen. Warner doesnt just hit slogs but proper cricket shots, and plays with his eyes open. Warner is just a legend in opening for t20s

What about ODIs? Also a star in that. A perfect player for the 3 formats.

[in_cutter]

Warner is a batsman, the other an axe hacker.

[musama]

Zia does not have shots all over or looked confused by his change of role in 3rd T20 Captain should let him be... still no comparison with warner...

[jy1970us]

keep Awais Zia as a T20 slogger; dont expect anymore.

[humzy]

End of the day it comes down to mental strength more then talent.. if Zia has the passion to succeed then he will.. unfortunately our young players seem to be lacking in that these days compared to our former batsmen

[RehanG]

lol at OP

[Badsha]

Op..... You are high!

[Wristy_Shuffler]

yh i agree zia can be the next warner

[in_cutter]

Originally Posted by Wristy_Shuffler yh i agree zia can be the next warner

Ok

[Prince_Pathan]

i lold at the responses in this thread

ahmed shahzad is the closest to david warner and even he is miles behind warner

[wrongun]

Warner was dropped from ODI's & spent over a year focusing really hard on first class cricket & building a complete game, constructing an innings and so on because he knew if he didn't he would never go further.

Problem with some Pakistan players (U Akmal) is that there is little real motivation for them to improve- they know if they get dropped they will get picked again next series straight away as the selectors don't really mean it.

Need to see more of Zia at top level before we really know what he is capable of.

[Ironcat]

If a hack can be turned into a rockstar, the credit must lie elsewhere.

[Jamshed Kohli]

Awais is RUBBISH

[Jamshed Kohli]

Originally Posted by PakPosheeda Like Warne averaged 47 in India? Some of our fans need to gain some self respect. Subcontinent's where cricket's at. Dont you see them Aussies/English running to subcontinent for money?

India*

[alberto]

Awais Zia is the best opener in T20 for Pakistan. The way he ambushed Finn is still etched in my memory.