Which series means more? England or India?

[Green-Machine]

For me......living in England.... the England series meant far more. If I had a choice of ONE country to beat out of England and India....give me England any time.

I have had Indian friends at school, University and at present.....find it hard to join in the anti-Indian feelings we get sometimes on here....

Obviously, I hope we beat the living daylights out of India....just wanted to point out that, personally .....defeating England is sweeter.

[Solid Snake]

Well maybe for you, but i have to coexist with tonnes of Indians. Losing to them is so painful because they will kindly remind you of the scores every time u walk past for about a year!!

We HAVE to beat INDIA, HAVE TOOOOO!!!

[Uzi]

Beating India means much much more.

You can't beat that feeling

[Oxy]

It's all about ICC ranking points for me.

If beating Eng is more beneficial for rising up the ICC ratings, then Eng it is....likewise, if beating India works in Pak's favour re: shooting up the rankings-then Ind it is!

I think many Ind ODI fans keep referring to their 4 WC wins - however, how many WC's have they won when beating us? NONE!

Beating Eng was great-it was on the back of their Ashes win, so that was crucial for us.

Now, beating Ind at home is important as it will launch us up further.

[banana246]

Originally Posted by Green-Machine For me......living in England.... the England series meant far more. If I had a choice of ONE country to beat out of England and India....give me England any time. I have had Indian friends at school, University and at present.....find it hard to join in the anti-Indian feelings we get sometimes on here.... Obviously, I hope we beat the living daylights out of India....just wanted to point out that, personally .....defeating England is sweeter.

totally agree with indian people being dissed a lot on this site which isnt cool and not good for improving relations

[banana246]

so lets cut down on the insulting unless its in the funny type of way

[Jimmy two-times]

beating england,india and australia is equally important.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by banana246 totally agree with indian people being dissed a lot on this site which isnt cool and not good for improving relations

I have to disagree. Anything insulting/racist/abusive is removed when identified...or you have the option of reporting posts that you feel contravene T&C's.

Its a Pakistani cricket site, naturally with pro-Pak views. But we simply dont descend to the gutter levels. Its not our style, and as I keep repeating myself, if we like the other sites (esp certain a certain Indian forum), we would not get affiliation with Bob Woolmers site; ex players posting here; current players giving up their time to post interviews here etc etc etc.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by banana246 so lets cut down on the insulting unless its in the funny type of way

Please contact us at : pakpassion@hotmail.com with specific examples/instances of this, and we will look into it.

[Big Mac]

Generally I'd say India means a lot more because of the history but this series against England was massive because they'd been on a great run of form for 2 years culminating in the Ashes win and there was talk of them being the number one side in the world very soon so it was pretty sweet to outplay them so comprehensively.

But for me that's all in the past now and will mean nothing if we can't beat India.

[banana246]

Originally Posted by Oxy™ I have to disagree. Anything insulting/racist/abusive is removed when identified...or you have the option of reporting posts that you feel contravene T&C's. Its a Pakistani cricket site, naturally with pro-Pak views. But we simply dont descend to the gutter levels. Its not our style, and as I keep repeating myself, if we like the other sites (esp certain a certain Indian forum), we would not get affiliation with Bob Woolmers site; ex players posting here; current players giving up their time to post interviews here etc etc etc.

i didnt mean anything racist wise just little stuff but it doesnt matter to much so everythings cool

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by Big Mac Generally I'd say India means a lot more because of the history but this series against England was massive because they'd been on a great run of form for 2 years culminating in the Ashes win and there was talk of them being the number one side in the world very soon so it was pretty sweet to outplay them so comprehensively. But for me that's all in the past now and will mean nothing if we can't beat India.

Amen to that.

Eng series is but a mere distant memory.....

[inzibhai]

of course INDIA...i repeat India...we ve always beaten them weather its in india,pak or some place else but since they beat us in pak a year ago...i fed up with there bs. they always talk about shewag 309 or tendu wc03 innings ...but then they forget anwar of 97 or Aqib Javed with 7 for 37 including the hatrick ..or most recently the Lala trashing....just can't wait until shobby take care of them for good this time around inshaallah...

[Green-Machine]

I don't find much abuse on here towards Indians.....the Beeb site is a disgrace, however. Both sets of fans shame themselves big time.

I have Indian and English friends - so i don't think its any banter issue - I get stick from both. Maybe, it's because of the arrogance of the English in whatever sport they play? It's a pleasure to beat them.

I remember 1992 World Cup - what a pleasure to beat England in the final!!! All time great sports moment for me :-

1) 1992 World Cup Final
2) The Rumble in the Jungle
3) The Thriller in Manilla

[Has]

Originally Posted by Oxy™ It's all about ICC ranking points for me. If beating Eng is more beneficial for rising up the ICC ratings, then Eng it is....likewise, if beating India works in Pak's favour re: shooting up the rankings-then Ind it is! I think many Ind ODI fans keep referring to their 4 WC wins - however, how many WC's have they won when beating us? NONE! Beating Eng was great-it was on the back of their Ashes win, so that was crucial for us. Now, beating Ind at home is important as it will launch us up further.

You are possibly the most logical person in the world.

[banana246]

Originally Posted by Green-Machine I don't find much abuse on here towards Indians.....the Beeb site is a disgrace, however. Both sets of fans shame themselves big time. I have Indian and English friends - so i don't think its any banter issue - I get stick from both. Maybe, it's because of the arrogance of the English in whatever sport they play? It's a pleasure to beat them. I remember 1992 World Cup - what a pleasure to beat England in the final!!! All time great sports moment for me :- 1) 1992 World Cup Final 2) The Rumble in the Jungle 3) The Thriller in Manilla

can you give me the link to the beeb site

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Has You are possibly the most logical person in the world.

It happens when you don't have to worry about hair using up some of the blood supply to the brain ;0

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by Has You are possibly the most logical person in the world.

[Ayubi]

They're both WAR!

[Has]

For me in this situation it would have to be England, cause not only am I from England but England were the team to beat. In normal circumstances I would prob say India becuase the rivalery is much more fierce and bragging rights are very important.

But whose to say we cant have both!

[Naz]

They are both equally important. In fact every series we play is just as important apart from zim, and bang. They are all humdingers these days as the teams are so evenly matched which is GREAT for cricket lovers. You name any contest and it wets your appetite, pakistan v south africa, pak v eng, pak v india, pak v west indies in carribean, pak v australia (nowadays!!),
pak v sri lanka. They are all great series. Right now at this very moment the series i would most like to see is asutralia v pak IN pakistan. I have to see shane warne bowl to inzi and that would be a greta series, but unfortunately that is in years time.

[raunaq]

Beating Pakistan is not the same as before.

Pakistan has been in decline for a number of years and can no longer edge India for talent as in previous years.

They are not as strong, they aren't as confrontational or hostile.

It's all this bhai-bhai crap and friendship/respect between the players.

Besides which there are no Javeds, Waqars , Salim Maliks to stir things.

India looks towards Australia as the the team to beat.

Pakistan series are special and huge.

But India beating Australia in 2001 and drawing with them 1-1 in 2004 are more significant.

[shan]

Originally Posted by raunaq Beating Pakistan is not the same as before. Pakistan has been in decline for a number of years and can no longer edge India for talent as in previous years. They are not as strong, they aren't as confrontational or hostile. It's all this bhai-bhai crap and friendship/respect between the players. Besides which there are no Javeds, Waqars , Salim Maliks to stir things. India looks towards Australia as the the team to beat. Pakistan series are special and huge. But India beating Australia in 2001 and drawing with them 1-1 in 2004 are more significant.

Beating Pakistan is not the same as before? when u beat us before?

and remember after the world cup pakistan have won 10 out of 15 ODI'S against india so the diffrence is huge but look at tests 3-2 in favor of India.
It has been closer then before in tests but in Odi's is the same old story

[Amir]

India, always ahs been and always will be. England is a big series, but India is like our Ashes. It does not matter if I am surrendered by English people or Indian people, I always just get the good ole competitive feeling when we play India.

[Oxy]

Raunaq-its fine to want to beat Aus every time...but Ind just dont take that form elsewhere.

As for the 'bhai-bhai' crap....in Pakistani culture/Muslim ettiquette...we treat all our friends/colleagues as brothers. I assume this concept doesnt exist in India?

If being respectful to one another is 'crap'...then I am grateful to 'crap'!

[the Great Khan]

Beating Pakistan is not the same as before. Pakistan has been in decline for a number of years and can no longer edge India for talent as in previous years. They are not as strong, they aren't as confrontational or hostile. It's all this bhai-bhai crap and friendship/respect between the players. Besides which there are no Javeds, Waqars , Salim Maliks to stir things. India looks towards Australia as the the team to beat. Pakistan series are special and huge. But India beating Australia in 2001 and drawing with them 1-1 in 2004 are more significant

oh yaar which rock have you crawled out from?? beating us isnt as big as beating aus?? meri jaan....which world are you living on?? you say Indian talent is better than ours?? lol.. aik do batsman mil gain hain tu aasmaan tut para hay!!!....India has always had a strong batting lineup...while Pakisatn have always had a good bowling lineup with a pretty decent batting lineup..the same is true now...your childish bravado is getting annoying and id advise you to stop trying to get a rise out of the bro's on here or trust me you'll be asking for it...

India looks towards Australia as the the team to beat.

keep lookin coz it aint gonna happen again unless you get the shiv senaks to dig up a pitch for ya!!!...lol...your head is getting a little too big methinks..oh when was the last time you won a series outside the subcontinent against someone that matters???.......draws are not wins by the way!!...

[raunaq]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan oh yaar which rock have you crawled out from?? beating us isnt as big as beating aus?? meri jaan....which world are you living on?? you say Indian talent is better than ours?? lol.. aik do batsman mil gain hain tu aasmaan tut para hay!!!....India has always had a strong batting lineup...while Pakisatn have always had a good bowling lineup with a pretty decent batting lineup..the same is true now...your childish bravado is getting annoying and id advise you to stop trying to get a rise out of the bro's on here or trust me you'll be asking for it... keep lookin coz it aint gonna happen again unless you get the shiv senaks to dig up a pitch for ya!!!...lol...your head is getting a little too big methinks..oh when was the last time you won a series outside the subcontinent against someone that matters???.......draws are not wins by the way!!...

Look at India's test record in the past 5 years compared to Pakistan's.

Then talk sense to me.

I don't call having bowlers like sami test av.46 or rana av. 57 as having great talent.

INdia has improved greatly overseas recently they have not lost since Dec 2002.

They dont get thrashed against the Aussies like your boys do home and away.

They are no. 2 your team is not.

And we do look to Australia to compete with at least, unlike Pakistan who seem to have a few too many matches against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

'or trust me you'll be asking for it'. hahahahahaha.

[Rob H]

Well i can't answer this but if i reverse it and say Pakistan or India i'd say India. Such a better vibe when we play india to Pakistan. The crowds are better, the cricket is better and there is more respect for each country. Don't get me wrong Pakistan series is good but the India series is more of a highlight for ME. And before anyone goes on about this i am allowed an opinion you know (HASH!)

[raunaq]

Originally Posted by shan Beating Pakistan is not the same as before? when u beat us before? and remember after the world cup pakistan have won 10 out of 15 ODI'S against india so the diffrence is huge but look at tests 3-2 in favor of India. It has been closer then before in tests but in Odi's is the same old story

People forget one dayers easily friend. You have a good one day record against India.

But Samsung and Sahara Cups are not the same as World Cups and Test Matches.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by RH i'd say India. Such a better vibe when we play india to Pakistan. The crowds are better, the cricket is better

Wont dispute that-and I dont think any Pak fan will claim otherwise....although crowds getting better!

Originally Posted by RH and there is more respect for each country.

Have t take issue on that-I assume yo are only looking at Ind tours to Eng...just wait for how much 'respect' your boys get in INd (from the crowd and Internet mob!)

[RunInzyRun]

India is way more important for me, indian fans are cocky.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by RH Well i can't answer this but if i reverse it and say Pakistan or India i'd say India. Such a better vibe when we play india to Pakistan. The crowds are better, the cricket is better and there is more respect for each country. Don't get me wrong Pakistan series is good but the India series is more of a highlight for ME. And before anyone goes on about this i am allowed an opinion you know (HASH!)

Yes we had alot of one sided cricket in the recent tour involving England and Pakistan

[Ayubi]

Can't believe Indians are still going on about that pathetic 1-1 draw against a 50% depleted Australia!

[shan]

Originally Posted by raunaq People forget one dayers easily friend. You have a good one day record against India. But Samsung and Sahara Cups are not the same as World Cups and Test Matches.

no problem anything India lose they forgot

remember last series?

we are better team now

[inzidabest]

Indians have not won much in cricket. So they will talk about 4 their victories for ages. For eg. ESPN still shows natwest 2001 matches almost everyday.

[Aurangzeb]

indians are all about hype...they hype up that win in aus as if they won the series...they hype up their trash bowlers and embarrass themselves...they'll even go to lengths to hype up unknown athletes like sania mirza and some race car driver...they have an inferiority complex and they want to be recognized...so they keep trying to be seen and noticed...a very pathetic and sad psyche...

[Fawad]

Originally Posted by Aurangzeb indians are all about hype...they hype up that win in aus as if they won the series...they hype up their trash bowlers and embarrass themselves...they'll even go to lengths to hype up unknown athletes like sania mirza and some race car driver...they have an inferiority complex and they want to be recognized...so they keep trying to be seen and noticed...a very pathetic and sad psyche...

Agree with this 100%. The indian fans are cocky and ignorant and need to be humiliated once in a while.

[raunaq]

Any team that boasts just one series win in 2 years has little to crow about.

[Easa]

It's always much more satisfying beating our arch rivals.

[mooz]

i was gonna say England, since I don't rate India that high. But after reading the trite spewing out of raunaq, I can't wait until Pakistan runs India into the ground.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by raunaq Any team that boasts just one series win in 2 years has little to crow about.

How so? We played two series we won you won, the difference is we won the most recent one.

But any team that boasts just one win for 3 years has little to crow about.

[raunaq]

I got news for you most teams around the world including England don't rate Pakistan that high.

Hence predictions of ENgland going there and winning 3-0.

No team, not even AUstralia expect to beat India so easily as they do Pakistan.

[raunaq]

Originally Posted by Amir How so? We played two series we won you won, the difference is we won the most recent one. But any team that boasts just one win for 3 years has little to crow about.

What r u on about.

The last two Test series between India and Pak have been India win and a draw.

[mooz]

when India beats any team other than zimbabwe outside the subcontinent, then maybe we can entertain some claims about their supposed no2 status.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by raunaq What r u on about. The last two Test series between India and Pak have been India win and a draw.

How funny you forgot to mention the one day matches.

[Uzi]

Originally Posted by raunaq What r u on about. The last two Test series between India and Pak have been India win and a draw.

Well you reckon you beat Australia in Oz when you actually drew 1-1.

That Australian team was severely depleted.

I think Amir is referring to the overall picture, taking into account the ODI's as well.

[Hash]

Originally Posted by RH Well i can't answer this but if i reverse it and say Pakistan or India i'd say India. Such a better vibe when we play india to Pakistan. The crowds are better, the cricket is better and there is more respect for each country. Don't get me wrong Pakistan series is good but the India series is more of a highlight for ME. And before anyone goes on about this i am allowed an opinion you know (HASH!)

RH my friend

1. You are an absolute PakPassion legend. It is a pleasure having you here. Honestly, this place would not be the same without you

2. What sort of 'vibe' are you talking about exactly?

3. Crowds are better? Where? If you are talking about IN England then I suggest you get a video of any Pakistan game in England for the last 30 years and then talk to me about crowds (test or ODI International, as Ramiz always calls them)

4. Cricket is better? Yeah I know. Pakistan are far too good for England. It is simply too one sided. Doesn't make pretty viewing watching a side get humiliated, destroyed and thrashed in the way England have consistently been over the years against Pakistan. Just check the history books. It is all there. When was the last time you beat us in England? Had Henry VIII been born yet?


Going back to the original topic.....definitely India. Don't get me wrong, I hate English cricket with all my heart (note to RH...hate English CRICKET, not English PEOPLE) but India is the one for me. I hate their cricket team even more and nothing annoys me mroe than all this Jeet Lo Dil crap. Forget winning hearts, just win the damn cricket......

Who gives a damn if Dravid was given a free hair cut or one which cost him 200 rupees? I do! CHARGE HIM AND SCREW UP HIS HAIR BIG TIME!

Who cares if the Pakistani crowd cheered an Indian boundary or a Pakistani wicket? I do! GREET IT WITH SILENCE LIKE IT WOULD BE IN INDIA SHOULD THE ROLES BE REVERSED!

Who cares if Ganguly was given a free dish of karai chicken in food street? I do! CHARGE HIM AND MAKE SURE HE GETS DIARRHEA FROM IT TOO!

etc
etc
etc


PAKISTAN ZINDABAAD

[raunaq]

Originally Posted by Uzi Well you reckon you beat Australia in Oz when you actually drew 1-1. That Australian team was severely depleted. I think Amir is referring to the overall picture, taking into account the ODI's as well.

I never have said anywhere that India bt Australia in Oz.

India was depleted too in that series, Zaheer Khan India's main fast bowler was injured after the 1st test, same with Harbhajan and Srinath who wanted to tour was forced to retire because of a long term knee injury.

Also we had a new guys in Chopra and Irfan playing.

The odds were such that despite Australia having no warne or mcgrath , the media there and around the world was predicting 4-0 to Australia.

Still their attack was Gillespie, Bickel, Brett Lee and McGill.

As for Pakistan correct me but I believe that since 1996 they havent even won a single test against the worlds best team.

Instead they have got smashed, 0-1, 3-0, 3-0 and for good measure in 2005 3-0.

[Lightning]

Beating every team is important. I can't bare a Pak LOSS! Shhheeeeeeiiiiiit!

[Long_Live_Pakistan]

Originally Posted by raunaq I got news for you most teams around the world including England don't rate Pakistan that high. Hence predictions of ENgland going there and winning 3-0. No team, not even AUstralia expect to beat India so easily as they do Pakistan.

hehhehe...
wait till this series is over. I hope you stay after that.
and forget about england comments....i m sure england fans regret it now.
whom else said 3-0 or 4-0 about pak series....??????
remember anyone else???

[Long_Live_Pakistan]

Originally Posted by raunaq I never have said anywhere that India bt Australia in Oz. India was depleted too in that series, Zaheer Khan India's main fast bowler was injured after the 1st test, same with Harbhajan and Srinath who wanted to tour was forced to retire because of a long term knee injury. Also we had a new guys in Chopra and Irfan playing. The odds were such that despite Australia having no warne or mcgrath , the media there and around the world was predicting 4-0 to Australia. Still their attack was Gillespie, Bickel, Brett Lee and McGill. As for Pakistan correct me but I believe that since 1996 they havent even won a single test against the worlds best team. Instead they have got smashed, 0-1, 3-0, 3-0 and for good measure in 2005 3-0.

correct me if i am wrong.....did you just mention aussies claiming to beat you 4-0,????????
and again correct me if i am wrong, did you said it no one does it against india....
get a life yar.....

[raunaq]

Originally Posted by Long_Live_Pakistan correct me if i am wrong.....did you just mention aussies claiming to beat you 4-0,???????? and again correct me if i am wrong, did you said it no one does it against india.... get a life yar.....

Yes Hayden and their media made such claims ahead of India's Australian tour in late 2003.

No I said no one takes India lightly (except Pakistan) but I said most teams would get a harder challenge playing India than playing your team.

[raunaq]

Originally Posted by Long_Live_Pakistan hehhehe... wait till this series is over. I hope you stay after that. and forget about england comments....i m sure england fans regret it now. whom else said 3-0 or 4-0 about pak series....?????? remember anyone else???

I'll be here waiting to console the Pakistan fans and to help set up another parliamentary and medical enquiries into another loss to India.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by raunaq I'll be here waiting to console the Pakistan fans and to help set up another parliamentary and medical enquiries into another loss to India.

I hope you are still here if its the other way round....

[Long_Live_Pakistan]

Originally Posted by raunaq I'll be here waiting to console the Pakistan fans and to help set up another parliamentary and medical enquiries into another loss to India.

u have not answered what i asked u dude....
last enquiry/hunger strike/parliment discussion was about ganguly as far as i remmeber......and it started with pak tour earlier last year.
anyways.......you are always welcome here....

[nafajafam]

Originally Posted by raunaq Beating Pakistan is not the same as before. Pakistan has been in decline for a number of years and can no longer edge India for talent as in previous years. They are not as strong, they aren't as confrontational or hostile. It's all this bhai-bhai crap and friendship/respect between the players. Besides which there are no Javeds, Waqars , Salim Maliks to stir things. India looks towards Australia as the the team to beat. Pakistan series are special and huge. But India beating Australia in 2001 and drawing with them 1-1 in 2004 are more significant.

You think India is more confrontational and hostile than Pakistan.
Last time I checked, you had bowlers like Nehra, Zaheer Khan,
Irfan "cannot bowl out-swing" Pathan and Agarkar. Also any team that needs the services of Ganguly certainly isn't going uphill !!
Btw, you expect Pathan outscoring Tendulkar this series?

For me a winning Pakistan is all that matters.

[hasan316]

A series VS india means more to me.

[raunaq]

Originally Posted by nafajafam You think India is more confrontational and hostile than Pakistan. Last time I checked, you had bowlers like Nehra, Zaheer Khan, Irfan "cannot bowl out-swing" Pathan and Agarkar. Also any team that needs the services of Ganguly certainly isn't going uphill !! Btw, you expect Pathan outscoring Tendulkar this series? For me a winning Pakistan is all that matters.

I said Pakistan is less aggressive and confrontational than years gone by when they play India - thats what I said.

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by raunaq I said Pakistan is less aggressive and confrontational than years gone by when they play India - thats what I said.

As if India is aggressive. Your pace attack is so 'special' that the team has to rely on two spinners to pick wickets. Now thats a great and aggressive bowling attack!

[raunaq]

Originally Posted by UsmanCHADDA As if India is aggressive. Your pace attack is so 'special' that the team has to rely on two spinners to pick wickets. Now thats a great and aggressive bowling attack!

I think you guys are missing the point, I am talking generally about the attitude and demeanor of the Pak team in recent years.

I never said India has an especially good or aggressive pace attack, but they do have bowlers who can at least compete unlike a few years back.

As for Mohammad your 90mph wonder I have seen 5 years old with more aggressin than him.

For God sake Ajit Agarkar is more aggressive than him!

[shan]

Originally Posted by raunaq I think you guys are missing the point, I am talking generally about the attitude and demeanor of the Pak team in recent years. I never said India has an especially good or aggressive pace attack, but they do have bowlers who can at least compete unlike a few years back. As for Mohammad your 90mph wonder I have seen 5 years old with more aggressin than him. For God sake Ajit Agarkar is more aggressive than him!

Ajit agarkar?

i hope u stay here after the series not like many other indians fans who just run away after last series

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by raunaq I think you guys are missing the point, I am talking generally about the attitude and demeanor of the Pak team in recent years. I never said India has an especially good or aggressive pace attack, but they do have bowlers who can at least compete unlike a few years back. As for Mohammad your 90mph wonder I have seen 5 years old with more aggressin than him. For God sake Ajit Agarkar is more aggressive than him!

Agarkar and Sami are both leaky bowlers. Both of them leak runs like there is a water tap which is not closed.

[Baron]

Oh how i like all this bit*hiness Let the games begin. Whether people would like to admit it or not, Pakistan are definitely on there way up. The last time India beat us, Pakistan were on a low point, but all credit to India for playing well and giving us a sound beating. But since THE BOB has come into coach the Paks, we have shown measured improvement and consistency with a draw and battering in the ODIs against India in their backyard, and a sound thrashing of England at home. If you cant see that we are looking more dangerous by the minute then you need your head examined. Once we beat India in this series, everyone will be forced to take notice of a resurgent Pakistan. Then we'll be coming back to finish off and shutup the English once and for all

Happy days are back again, hopefully

[raunaq]

Originally Posted by shan Ajit agarkar? i hope u stay here after the series not like many other indians fans who just run away after last series

As I said I'll be here waiting to talk to all you Pakistanis - Win (for us) , Loss (for you) or draw (if you are very very lucky like in Bangalore).

[Fessal]

Originally Posted by Green-Machine For me......living in England.... the England series meant far more. If I had a choice of ONE country to beat out of England and India....give me England any time. Obviously, I hope we beat the living daylights out of India....just wanted to point out that, personally .....defeating England is sweeter.

I agree defeating England slightly means a lot more to me because of the history between the 2. The insults and accusations from media, ex-players, etc over the years make me want to defeat England more.

England is a long distant memory now and India is the priority and right now defeating India means more. Its hard to separate who I would like defeated more: india or england.

[shan]

Originally Posted by raunaq As I said I'll be here waiting to talk to all you Pakistanis - Win (for us) , Loss (for you) or draw (if you are very very lucky like in Bangalore).

we all know u will be here if u win or draw!

but what about when u lose the series? and that to 3-0

[peridot]

Originally Posted by raunaq Beating Pakistan is not the same as before. Pakistan has been in decline for a number of years and can no longer edge India for talent as in previous years. They are not as strong, they aren't as confrontational or hostile. It's all this bhai-bhai crap and friendship/respect between the players. Besides which there are no Javeds, Waqars , Salim Maliks to stir things. India looks towards Australia as the the team to beat. Pakistan series are special and huge. But India beating Australia in 2001 and drawing with them 1-1 in 2004 are more significant.

As for me Eng series is more important because of their arrogance and cockiness. Plus I love the excuses and tantrums they throw.

[Fessal]

Originally Posted by peridot As for me Eng series is more important because of their arrogance and cockiness. Plus I love the excuses and tantrums they throw.

exactly thats why beating the poms is special more...well slightly more than the Indians.

[raunaq]

Originally Posted by shan we all know u will be here if u win or draw! but what about when u lose the series? and that to 3-0

If your team wins there should be an investigation.

[Invictus]

Its was, is and always going to be India.
I dont get it. How can the Indian team claim to be the second best when they have'nt won a series outside the subcontinent against a significant team in ages. Yeah they are hard to beat at home but so is NZ. Pakistan is a better team when traveling everyone knows that. Even ZM beat us at home before the Indians. That number 2 spot for India was built on the back to back home series. You guys should atleast win a series or two on the road and then talk s**t. Everyone is THE MAN on their own turf. I'll be surprised if India wins this time. Last series you guys just came back from Australia Sehwag was in the form of his life and Balaji had the series of his life. On top of that our bowlers were struggling and there was no BOB. Dont get too upbeat bout beating Srilanka they just got their ***** handed to them by NZ.

[Usman Chadda]

Exactly some of the Indians that I know say: "India Pakistan kay chakke chura de ga", and I was laughing like hell at those guys. I asked them on what basis were they saying this and they replied, "kyon ki hum nay Sri Lanka to haraa dya jo no.2 per tha". LOL. SL is such a great team that they cant even chase 224!

A simple question to raunaq: Do you expect to win the ODI series aswell?

[shan]

Originally Posted by raunaq If your team wins there should be an investigation.

ok there should be an investigation on how india can not the draw the single test despite bad lights in first 2 tests.

but what about u? i think u will disappear after first 2 tests and won't come before the next test series.

[Ayubi]

Originally Posted by raunaq If your team wins there should be an investigation.

If Agarkar gets a single wicket there should be an investigation

[raunaq]

Originally Posted by UsmanCHADDA Exactly some of the Indians that I know say: "India Pakistan kay chakke chura de ga", and I was laughing like hell at those guys. I asked them on what basis were they saying this and they replied, "kyon ki hum nay Sri Lanka to haraa dya jo no.2 per tha". LOL. SL is such a great team that they cant even chase 224! A simple question to raunaq: Do you expect to win the ODI series aswell?

It's the test macthes that primarily important.

Pakistan can win the ODI's 5-0 as long as India wins the test series.

As I said in a previous post all the OD series are fun but easily forgotten.

World Cups people remember , Sharjah Cups they don't.

[ataullah]

Originally Posted by raunaq As I said I'll be here waiting to talk to all you Pakistanis - Win (for us) , Loss (for you) or draw (if you are very very lucky like in Bangalore).

we wernt lucky in bangalore India cracked under pressure. Even our sami troubled the so called invinsible indian batting lineup

[Hash]

Originally Posted by Hash RH my friend 1. You are an absolute PakPassion legend. It is a pleasure having you here. Honestly, this place would not be the same without you 2. What sort of 'vibe' are you talking about exactly? 3. Crowds are better? Where? If you are talking about IN England then I suggest you get a video of any Pakistan game in England for the last 30 years and then talk to me about crowds (test or ODI International, as Ramiz always calls them) 4. Cricket is better? Yeah I know. Pakistan are far too good for England. It is simply too one sided. Doesn't make pretty viewing watching a side get humiliated, destroyed and thrashed in the way England have consistently been over the years against Pakistan. Just check the history books. It is all there. When was the last time you beat us in England? Had Henry VIII been born yet?

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[Ayubi]

Originally Posted by raunaq It's the test macthes that primarily important. Pakistan can win the ODI's 5-0 as long as India wins the test series. As I said in a previous post all the OD series are fun but easily forgotten. World Cups people remember , Sharjah Cups they don't.

I'm sure Chetan Sharma remembers Sharjah Cups!

[pacman]

Originally Posted by Ayubi I'm sure Chetan Sharma remembers Sharjah Cups!