Can Whatmore Get the Best out of Imran Nazir?

[Saj]

No doubt about Imran has all the shots.

No doubt about the fact that Imran has the ability to destroy any bowling attack in the space of a few overs.

He has shown glimpses of his brilliance in international cricket but has so often not been able to bat consistently well for Pakistan.

Can Dav Whatmore get the best out of Imran Nazir?

[smoothcriminal]

I wouldn't bet on it. Hasn't developed a temperament after all these years. At best a T20 player. An average of 23 is inexcusable. Woolmer would be along the same lines in legitimacy, and it didn't impact Nazir as much. A 150 against Zimbabwe doesn't count.

[speed]

yes i think he can

[HashimAmlaFan]

This guy just needs some chance. And when he gets back his rhythm, I doubt that can any1 stop him.

[Prince of Pakistan]

The last time he played international cricket he did well, no idea why he got dropped :S.

[Asiacup2012]

Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan The last time he played international cricket he did well, no idea why he got dropped :S.

scoring 25's and 30's, you consider good scores?

[iZeeshan]

Originally Posted by Asiacup2012 scoring 25's and 30's, you consider good scores?

In T20s at his SR, hell yes.

Him and Shehzad should be opening in T20s without a doubt. I'm convinced now after BPL and Faysal T20.

Hafeez can play one down. No need to ruin Jamshed in T20s, although I think he'd do well down the order.

[Dr Khan]

No thanks, tried and tested failure. Better to invest time and energy of a younger player

[Prince of Pakistan]

Originally Posted by Asiacup2012 scoring 25's and 30's, you consider good scores?

Any T20 side will take a quickfire 30 from an opener who is a great fielder too. :iamlegend

That has always been the problem with Nazir whenever he started doing well he suddenly got dropped. Farhat and Hafeez will get thousand chances but Nazir never got a consistent chance of atleast 4/5 matches in a row.

[AmmarAshraf]

Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan The last time he played international cricket he did well, no idea why he got dropped :S.

Last 4 matches
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/426724.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/406207.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/440945.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/440946.html

[iZeeshan]

Originally Posted by AmmarAshraf Last 4 matches http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/426724.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/406207.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/440945.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/440946.html

Wonder why Fawad Alam got dropped

[chui_kadoo]

Yes he can. He is in amazing form. Has all the shots and all the talent. He is an amazing fielder. Must be in the T20 team

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan Any T20 side will take a quickfire 30 from an opener who is a great fielder too. :iamlegend That has always been the problem with Nazir whenever he started doing well he suddenly got dropped. Farhat and Hafeez will get thousand chances but Nazir never got a consistent chance of atleast 4/5 matches in a row.

You are so right

[Savak]

Why not give him an extended run like Hafeez, Farhat, Malik? Nazir fails in 1-2 matches, gets dropped. He has been horribly managed and has the most talent compared to these players.

[Atif]

He probably could, but Imran is already 30 if not older, prefer Whatmore to bring back youngster Ahmed Shezad in team

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by Savak Why not give him an extended run like Hafeez, Farhat, Malik? Nazir fails in 1-2 matches, gets dropped. He has been horribly managed and has the most talent compared to these players.

Thats what I dont understand. He has two bad matches and gets dropped while guys like Malik, Farhat and Hafeez have a million bad matches and still dont get dropped.

You need to keep faith with him and persist. He will guarantee to score in atleast 1 out of 3 games and is a big match player.

He is especially affective when chasing a low target. More often than not he gets the job done

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by Atif He probably could, but Imran is already 30 if not older, prefer Whatmore to bring back youngster Ahmed Shezad in team

He is fitter and faster than all the youngsters put together. He is a cheetah in the field. Fit as a fiddle. Not an ounce of fat on him. Also he only just turned 30

[umerz]

I think we should rather try new players Imran Nazir is a tried and tested failure for more than 10 years. I guess he falls in the same category as M. Sami

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Savak Why not give him an extended run like Hafeez, Farhat, Malik? Nazir fails in 1-2 matches, gets dropped. He has been horribly managed and has the most talent compared to these players.

Hafeez was given extended run because of his batting as well as for his brilliant bowling option.

Farhat and Malik were ****** players, ..On the other hand, Nazir has no bowing option and no ******.

[rhussain33]

Theres something different about Nazir now, hes trying to stay on the crease for 10 overs, play a longer innings... More talented then any of the top at the moment, must get him in the team

And yes I dont think Whatmore has to do much, hes realised himself, needs to stay on the crease

[chui_kadoo]

If not the ODI team then atleast the T20 team. For me the best T20 player in the country and on current form he should slot straight in

[zaid65]

Originally Posted by Saj No doubt about Imran has all the shots. No doubt about the fact that Imran has the ability to destroy any bowling attack in the space of a few overs. He has shown glimpses of his brilliance in international cricket but has so often not been able to bat consistently well for Pakistan. Can Dav Whatmore get the best out of Imran Nazir?

Saj,

Coaches can only do to little extent, at the end it is the player who has to execute and perform.

The biggest issue and problem with Nazir is his poor impulse, which cannot be controlled by any coaches. Yes a neuro surgeon can implant his frontal lobe which is related for the impulse control, but the surgeon has long list to fix this problem with so many other players in the team.

[Invictus]

He missed his boat. One of the most gifted Openers I have seen from Pakistan with an absolutely atrocious temperament. Its not going to get better. He had his chance.

[sehsan]

Time to invest on new players. How many chances we will want Imran to be given? Coach is not going to play for him. He has played under several coaches and several captains but he never improved. At the end of the day he need to understand his game and play accordingly. Unfortunately he never performed and should not be given any more chances.

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by Invictus He missed his boat. One of the most gifted Openers I have seen from Pakistan with an absolutely atrocious temperament. Its not going to get better. He had his chance.

I second this. But I think we should select him for T20s.

[w8in_4_0402]

he needs to be given another chance.

[PakPrince]

that boat has sailed

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Ahmed shezad an Imran nazir should be given chances in T20 . With hafeez coming 1 down.Not in ODI's yet .

[Desi]

he's been here for more than a decade
he's spent significant time with bob woolmer and many a coaches a vast

it's shebby's turn imo, plus nasir jamshed's 100 against india will ensure he's given some time to show his worth.

[*sallu*]

LOL @ how over-rated Imran Nazir is.

He has always exploited weaker bowlers and struggled against the good variety (please don't name the one odd innings).

He simply doesn't have the skills to succeed at international level consistently.

[Invictus]

Originally Posted by *sallu* LOL @ how over-rated Imran Nazir is. He has always exploited weaker bowlers and struggled against the good variety (please don't name the one odd innings). He simply doesn't have the skills to succeed at international level consistently.

I disagree bud. He had a back foot game. I have seen very few pakistani players with a back foot game. He played all around the wicket and was a proper opener. He used to put the bad balls away and keep out the good ones.
His temperament let him down. He got caught up in that mentality of "looking good" at the wicket rather then just making runs. Umar sadly is doing the same things.

[Saqlain_doosra]

Originally Posted by sehsan Time to invest on new players. How many chances we will want Imran to be given? Coach is not going to play for him. He has played under several coaches and several captains but he never improved. At the end of the day he need to understand his game and play accordingly. Unfortunately he never performed and should not be given any more chances.

He never got proper chance like others. He was give chance to play 1 2 games then miss 3. Give him a proper run at least in t20.

Those of you who been on pp for time will know that im his big fan and would love to see him. Given proper run and desposed if he doesnt perform but not play cat and mouse game with him.

[chui_kadoo]

Originally Posted by *sallu* LOL @ how over-rated Imran Nazir is. He has always exploited weaker bowlers and struggled against the good variety (please don't name the one odd innings). He simply doesn't have the skills to succeed at international level consistently.

He continually destroys top class bowlers in domestic teams. So you are saying Yasir Arafat is a weak bowler? He always murders Yasir Arafat. Sohail Tanvir is another one he is pasted around the park.

Also just recently he destroyed alot of decent bowlers in the BPL too. The temperement has always been the issue otherwise he has all the shots and a good technique

[Liverpool_Faizan]

Originally Posted by chui_kadoo He continually destroys top class bowlers in domestic teams. So you are saying Yasir Arafat is a weak bowler? He always murders Yasir Arafat. Sohail Tanvir is another one he is pasted around the park. Also just recently he destroyed alot of decent bowlers in the BPL too. The temperement has always been the issue otherwise he has all the shots and a good technique

yasir arafat sucks. as does sohail tanvir.

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by Saqlain_doosra He never got proper chance like others. He was give chance to play 1 2 games then miss 3. Give him a proper run at least in t20. Those of you who been on pp for time will know that im his big fan and would love to see him. Given proper run and desposed if he doesnt perform but not play cat and mouse game with him.

And what about when he got selected when he didn't deserve to be in the team?

[sunnykhan]

Originally Posted by chui_kadoo He continually destroys top class bowlers in domestic teams. So you are saying Yasir Arafat is a weak bowler? He always murders Yasir Arafat. Sohail Tanvir is another one he is pasted around the park. Also just recently he destroyed alot of decent bowlers in the BPL too. The temperement has always been the issue otherwise he has all the shots and a good technique

U mentioned finished bowlers. Not denying that he can't play better bowlers.

[xbox]

For some reason you look at him and you can get that feeling he has just not matured. Now I could be wrong but the way he carry himself ..shows a certain level of immaturity..which usually players get out of it after playing for this many years.. He is for sure talented but I don't think he is the sharpest pencil in the box..

[iZeeshan]

Originally Posted by xbox For some reason you look at him and you can get that feeling he has just not matured. Now I could be wrong but the way he carry himself ..shows a certain level of immaturity..which usually players get out of it after playing for this many years.. He is for sure talented but I don't think he is the sharpest pencil in the box..

He will be opening in T20's...we don't really require him to have matured all that much. Just need his amazing hitting talent to get quick 20-30s. Ahmed Shehzad at the other end can hit the longer inning's.

[Black Zero]

he should come at #4 or low...
can't bat new ball in hands of top quality fast bowlers

[LegCutter]

Greatest opening pair of all time?

[Desi_Joker]

Something tells me Whatmore wants Nazir back in the side. :iamlegend

[spitfire64]

Nazir was on fire in the BPL under head coach Ian Pont with the Dhaka Gladiators. It shows that certain people can get the very best out of certain players

[PakPosheeda]

Inzi used to hate his guts while playing Imran Farhat forever. In T20s its a no brainer to select him. If he wasn't run out in the first T20 wc final, he'd have won us the match in 10 overs. I think some Indian commentator once said something similar. Remember him smashing 20 runs of a Sreesanth over.

[pakistanigoneaussie]

pls no, if we have must have him only as a player purely for the t20 world cup, we have plenty of other young openers coming through : Nasir, Shezhad, Zain abbas, Sami Alsam, Babar Azam

[Sandman]

He will always remain an inconsistent batsman. He can be tried in t20s but thats about it.

[Lara400]

Originally Posted by xbox For some reason you look at him and you can get that feeling he has just not matured. Now I could be wrong but the way he carry himself ..shows a certain level of immaturity..which usually players get out of it after playing for this many years.. He is for sure talented but I don't think he is the sharpest pencil in the box..

I agree.

After playing international cricket a player steps up to the mantle and takes up the responsibility of some sort. Although I would like Nazir back in T20s for one last shot, he does look like a lost puppy at times.

[Justcrazy]

I do not understand really what the PPers think to be ?

Is he a magician that he will change the mentality of a player overnight. Improvement takes time, does not happen overnight. Nazir has been given loads of chances, it is unfair on younger players if they are denied opportunities with old tested failures are kept given chances.

[CricVet]

Men mature around 30s. He should be given a chance. No one can doubt his talent. He is fit and can play for Pakistan for next 6-8 years in T20s if he keeps his fitness like Misbah.

[Zane]

Imran Nazir is in form. He better ne in the T20 WC

[Prince of Pakistan]

Imran Nazir could only be in the side for his fielding taking into consideration that Pakistan is one of the worst fielding sides in cricket.

[Zeeraq]

Imran Nazir should be in T20, It'll be fun, if he scores he make sure that Pakistan will win

[Prince of Pakistan]

Originally Posted by AmmarAshraf Last 4 matches http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/426724.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/406207.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/440945.html http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/440946.html

And you forgot to list the match where he smacked NZ bowlers out of the park and I think it was the match before the NZ T20 you have listed there.

Look at the run outs etc. he has a great impact on the side with his fielding alone. Why would you drop your most talented and destructive T20 player after just a few bad matches and that too in the T20 format? You only have 6 powerplay overs of whom you have to take advantage. I never got this to be honest. In Pakistan some players will fail in the test format and still be persisted with but when it comes to some agressive attacking cricket players they never get a permanent place in the side.

For god's sake these are your impact players, match winners, truly made for the T20 format give the them some confidence! There is a reason that current sides have special T20 squads.

[Prince of Pakistan]

Originally Posted by CricVet Men mature around 30s. He should be given a chance. No one can doubt his talent. He is fit and can play for Pakistan for next 6-8 years in T20s if he keeps his fitness like Misbah.

Why do you people want to change players? They are human not machines that you'll put some code and they'll change.

Instead you should try to take advantage of their talent and ability. Shahid Afridi and Imran Nazir will never change because this is their natural game. When they play defensive they become useless and dismisssed in minutes. I am not saying that they should slog every ball but they play their shots whenever they see a ball that can be hit, that's it.

We should stop expecting miracles and changes from players and instead select the right group of players for each format.

[12cavalry]

It always a gamble playing Imran.

If we are looking for an opener for the T20 team, Ahmed Shahzad is a much better option. He has been piling runs in the recent T20s and much more consistently than Imran.

[Prince of Pakistan]

Originally Posted by 12cavalry It always a gamble playing Imran. If we are looking for an opener for the T20 team, Ahmed Shahzad is a much better option. He has been piling runs in the recent T20s and much more consistently than Imran.

I doubt there is an opener in T20 who guarantees 100% consistency.

[Zaz]

Somethings never change and im afraid imran nazirs thinking is one of them

Hes had several coaches and over a decade of chances, he ll never change. Move on

[asifp]

Nazir/Shahzad/Jamshed

imagine this team

Nazir
Jamshed
Ahmed S
Umar Akmal (wk)
Misbah (C)
Hafeez
Afridi
Razzaq
Hammad
Ajmal
Gul

[CricVet]

Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan Why do you people want to change players? They are human not machines that you'll put some code and they'll change. Instead you should try to take advantage of their talent and ability. Shahid Afridi and Imran Nazir will never change because this is their natural game. When they play defensive they become useless and dismisssed in minutes. I am not saying that they should slog every ball but they play their shots whenever they see a ball that can be hit, that's it. We should stop expecting miracles and changes from players and instead select the right group of players for each format.

What do you mean by you people? How old are you and how long have you been playing/following cricket?

I can't make anything out of what you just typed. If you are trying to say that Imran should be in and keep playing the way he played in the past (reckless) then you have no grasp of cricket.

What I was saying that Imran's Talent was never argued. It was his shot selection which was mostly like gully cricket. If he had valued his wicket, then I would go as far as saying that arguably he could be the greatest back foot player Pak ever produced.

What has Afridi got to do here? Maybe you are just too emotional and can't stick to the topic?

[A-khan]

has jadhoo ki charhi all tried and tested failures will become bradman under him :iamlegend

[Prince of Pakistan]

Originally Posted by CricVet What do you mean by you people? How old are you and how long have you been playing/following cricket? I can't make anything out of what you just typed. If you are trying to say that Imran should be in and keep playing the way he played in the past (reckless) then you have no grasp of cricket. What I was saying that Imran's Talent was never argued. It was his shot selection which was mostly like gully cricket. If he had valued his wicket, then I would go as far as saying that arguably he could be the greatest back foot player Pak ever produced. What has Afridi got to do here? Maybe you are just too emotional and can't stick to the topic?

heheh relax, you got offended there which wasn't my intention.

I just wanted to say that we shoudn't expect players to change and give ourselves false hopes.

If he plays this way then only select him for T20. Players with good temperament should play in ODI and Tests. I think this is what the PCB nowadays is trying to do by selecting specialists for the formats.

[hamzie]

imran nazir sucks
hes beyond help

[Saqs]

What's his form been like recently?

[Desi_Joker]

Originally Posted by Saqib S What's his form been like recently?

He's been on

[CricVet]

Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan heheh relax, you got offended there which wasn't my intention. I just wanted to say that we shoudn't expect players to change and give ourselves false hopes. If he plays this way then only select him for T20. Players with good temperament should play in ODI and Tests. I think this is what the PCB nowadays is trying to do by selecting specialists for the formats.

Of course some players can change. Imran does not need wholesale changes for T20. His T20 avg of 23 is pretty decent (especially for an opener).

You are kidding right? The buffoons of PCB are selecting horses for the right course? It is a news to me.

[Uzi]

Nazir is just an average slogger. Loves playing across the line slogs. He will add no value to the team. It's time to move on and forget failures like Nazir and Sami etc.

[style_guru]

Originally Posted by CricVet Men mature around 30s. He should be given a chance. No one can doubt his talent. He is fit and can play for Pakistan for next 6-8 years in T20s if he keeps his fitness like Misbah.

What a logic, Sir

Simply by searching for the word Whatmore, we shall find many new threads on PP everyday. And almost all of them are made in hope that Whatmore can pull the rabbit out of the hat.

But my friends, a coach is only good when the player listens and follows what he says. And the worst thing a coach can do, is to overcoach a player.

People like Nazir and Afridi can never be coached. May be this is the reason why Afridi went on to say a few months back something like there is no need of a coach in cricket. And I was surprised as how many posters actually supported his views at that time.

And today, same people are hoping that Whatmore will be able to change Nazir's temprament.

Nazir is another addition in the list of players who will be remembered as 'someone, who could have been great, had he...'.

[CricVet]

^ what is all the above rant about? what logic are you talking about? Let me hear your logic oh the smart one.

[style_guru]

Originally Posted by CricVet ^ what is all the above rant about? what logic are you talking about? Let me hear your logic oh the smart one.

No logic which says something like, Men mature around 30's so a certain player who is around 30, should be given a chance.

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by CricVet ^ what is all the above rant about? what logic are you talking about? Let me hear your logic oh the smart one.

Sorry mate but I'm with styleguru on this one. Your logic that Imran Nazir should be tried because men mature around the age of 30 is quite....bizarre.

[CricVet]

Champ, he has talent combined with experience and a decent T20 avg. what do you want in a T20 player?

[Desi_Joker]

Originally Posted by CricVet Champ, he has talent combined with experience and a decent T20 avg. what do you want in a T20 player?

No, no. He needs to be a cricketing prodigy, otherwise it's unacceptable for him to be in the team.

[CricVet]

haha

[Justcrazy]

If :nazir can last 6 overs of PP in the 20 20 ........ he will win it for Pakistan. You can expect Pakistan motor to 60 .

[CricVet]

and more for sure. Given that Misbah is not the captain of that LOI

[mrk]

He almost won T20 world cup for us but got run out. He did very well under Malik so its issue about who can get most out of. he need free run for long periode and free hand to play his shots

[CricVet]

That is not happening under Misbah. He likes Tuk Tuk in LOI as well

[alberto]

This is one conundrum that even dav can't solve

[kkmix]

Imran Nazir never looked convincing to me in International cricket. I wouldn't want him opening the inning for Pakistan, because he will fail more than he will perform. And Pakistan need a solid top order.

[CricVet]

Then you will have no option but to train one I guess. He is a good T20 opener. Who is your Fav Pakistani T20 opener by the way?

[chui_kadoo]

:iamlegend needs to put that sweep shot to bed. Has been his downfall of late. Dont understand why he trys to sweep the straight full ball. Always hits his pad in front. Why not play using the with the full straight bat.