Family Honour And Dishonour In The UK

[James]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen As I said, I don't know about everything, and never will.

Don't know much at all by the sounds of things.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by James Don't know much at all by the sounds of things.

Earlier, a poster mentioned rape in Arab nations.

On the whole, can you deny that even as a percentage of the total population, its a lot less common than here?

Shouldn't one be in a better off position with respect to an issue, before they even mention a place thats doing a lot better than their own place?

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Earlier, a poster mentioned rape in Arab nations. On the whole, can you deny that even as a percentage of the total population, its a lot less common than here? Shouldn't one be in a better off position with respect to an issue, before they even mention a place thats doing a lot better than their own place?

How do you know it is less common if it isn't reported?

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen I know it doesn't, you getting worked up doesn't change that. Why can't you understand that there won't be any 'panic' as it barely happens, why are you working so hard to create a issue out of something that is next to non-existent? You can see the newspapers there, whatever crime occurs, it is found on the front few pages. I hope you can accept the fact that crime rates and other anti-social behaviour is rare there, and learn to live with it.. I am not saying it is literally at 0%, but is worth mentioning that it is really low.

I understand what you're trying to say, everything that comes to human knowledge is put into newspapers, even private things are hacked into and highlighted by papers.
I think the problem arises when some news is given much more attention than other news.

For example a story today about child asylum seekers clasified as adults and imprisoned was given little press.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1337516823715A

[James]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Shouldn't one be in a better off position with respect to an issue, before they even mention a place thats doing a lot better than their own place?

The only lack of respect has been in your own posts. They are insulting to the many people that suffer crimes every day in the private and public spheres and never see convictions or recognition. When you are older you will understand why you have been wrong to post in this manner today.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Express Pace How do you know it is less common if it isn't reported?

I have read reports on rape over there, no one ever said it isn't reported.

I remember Rob saying 80% of rape cases here never reach the police either...

[James]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen I have read reports on rape over there, no one ever said it isn't reported. I remember Rob saying 80% of rape cases here never reach the police either...

What an insane idea it is to suggest, then, that most rapes aren't reported in other countries either.

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen I have read reports on rape over there, no one ever said it isn't reported. I remember Rob saying 80% of rape cases here never reach the police either...

I have reports on rape here, still a huge percentage aren't reported to police.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by James The only lack of respect has been in your own posts. They are insulting to the many people that suffer crimes every day in the private and public spheres and never see convictions or recognition. When you are older you will understand why you have been wrong to post in this manner today.

I'm sorry if that is the case, it wasn't my intention.

My point from the very beginning was look around yourself before pointing fingers at people and places that are doing a lot better.

None of you do that, your only purpose is to prove that 'some' issues do exist in Arab countries as well.

Anyway, don't admit it, it won't matter one bit to the people you are refusing to acknowledge.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by James What an insane idea it is to suggest, then, that most rapes aren't reported in other countries either.

Where did I say or suggest that?

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Express Pace I have reports on rape here, still a huge percentage aren't reported to police.

That's exactly what I'm saying..

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen I'm sorry if that is the case, it wasn't my intention. My point from the very beginning was look around yourself before pointing fingers at people and places that are doing a lot better. None of you do that, your only purpose is to prove that 'some' issues do exist in Arab countries as well. Anyway, don't admit it, it won't matter one bit to the people you are refusing to acknowledge.

I find it hard to believe a country like Saudi Arabia which bans women from driving, has a process in place that allows rape victims to speak out more freely than countries like the UK.

"Saudi women struggle under a law which requires the consent of a male guardian to go to school, travel, work, seek certain medical procedures, or file a legal complaint."

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri I understand what you're trying to say, everything that comes to human knowledge is put into newspapers, even private things are hacked into and highlighted by papers. I think the problem arises when some news is given much more attention than other news. For example a story today about child asylum seekers clasified as adults and imprisoned was given little press. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...1337516823715A

Mate the posters here refuse to accept its a lot smaller problem over there in the Gulf, which I find astonishing really..

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Express Pace I find it hard to believe a country like Saudi Arabia which bans women from driving, has a process in place that allows rape victims to speak out more freely than countries like the UK. "Saudi women struggle under a law which requires the consent of a male guardian to go to school, travel, work, seek certain medical procedures, or file a legal complaint."

Dude, I only said the Arab nations are doing better in this aspect as the occurence rate is a lot less, no where did I say they ALL are perfect in every walk of life.

You clearly don't get my point...

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Dude, I only said the Arab nations are doing better in this aspect as the occurence rate is a lot less, no where did I say they ALL are perfect in every walk of life. You clearly don't get my point...

Women don't seem to have much power, doubt they would report if they were raped.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Express Pace Women don't seem to have much power, doubt they would report if they were raped.

Is that my fault? I keep repeating I only refer to all the Arab countries in terms of their low crime and rape rates.

I'm from the UAE,where they do have equal rights..

[James]

Does the subjugation of women also feature daily on the front pages of newspapers?

[pakistanalltheway]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Is that my fault? I keep repeating I only refer to all the Arab countries in terms of their low crime and rape rates. I'm from the UAE,where they do have equal rights..

you said you lived in England in a different thread only yesterday .

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by James Does the subjugation of women also feature daily on the front pages of newspapers?

You have utterly failed to get my point, even though I thought I had made it clear a few posts back.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by pakistanalltheway you said you lived in England in a different thread only yesterday .

I live in England. I have lived in Dubai as well..

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Mate the posters here refuse to accept its a lot smaller problem over there in the Gulf, which I find astonishing really..

Rape is a much smaller problem in the gulf, i don't think anyone can deny that

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Express Pace I find it hard to believe a country like Saudi Arabia which bans women from driving, has a process in place that allows rape victims to speak out more freely than countries like the UK. "Saudi women struggle under a law which requires the consent of a male guardian to go to school, travel, work, seek certain medical procedures, or file a legal complaint."

Doesn't this mean that rape is certainly lower in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf as a whole than it is in western countries? I really doubt any rapist would have the courage to even think about the act when a burqa wearing woman is being accompanied by her husband/son/father.

In other Arab countries, like the UAE, the cultural practices are pretty similar to Saudi Arabia. The only difference being that it is not required by law.

If wearing a burqa or atleast a hijab is not protection enough from rapists, then capital punishment or having hands and legs chopped off should be really discouraging for those people.

Culture, religious devotion, being in control and not being seduced are other factors which contribute to the minimum number of rapes in the Gulf.

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 Doesn't this mean that rape is certainly lower in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf as a whole than it is in western countries? I really doubt any rapist would have the courage to even think about the act when a burqa wearing woman is being accompanied by her husband/son/father. In other Arab countries, like the UAE, the cultural practices are pretty similar to Saudi Arabia. The only difference being that it is not required by law. If wearing a burqa or atleast a hijab is not protection enough from rapists, then capital punishment or having hands and legs chopped off should be really discouraging for those people. Culture, religious devotion, being in control and not being seduced are other factors which contribute to the minimum number of rapes in the Gulf.

A large proportion of rapes are committed by husbands, boyfriends, relatives, acquaintances. So, can't agree with your points.

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Express Pace A large proportion of rapes are committed by husbands, boyfriends, relatives, acquaintances. So, can't agree with your points.

The bolded: How can a husband rape his wife in Muslim countries, please explain?

The underlined: These types of rapes are even fewer in number than rapes committed by strangers. This is more common in other cultures in my opinion. Btw since when do Saudi women have 'boyfriends'?

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 The bolded: How can a husband rape his wife in Muslim countries, please explain? The underlined: These types of rapes are even fewer in number than rapes committed by strangers. This is more common in other cultures in my opinion. Btw since when do Saudi women have 'boyfriends'?

Husband can commit rape if the sex is not consensual, unless you think women are a personal sex toy of the husband?

Quite a large percentage fall under the underlined, Saudi women do have boyfriends, but I guess it isn't something publicize. They are human after all.

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Express Pace Husband can commit rape if the sex is not consensual, unless you think women are a personal sex toy of the husband? Quite a large percentage fall under the underlined, Saudi women do have boyfriends, but I guess it isn't something publicize. They are human after all.

So according to you, cheating and having affairs are a natural human tendency?

Give me some statistics to prove your point or atleast give me some authentic source that can prove that point, other than your all-knowing knowledge.

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 So according to you, cheating and having affairs are a natural human tendency? Give me some statistics to prove your point or atleast give me some authentic source that can prove that point, other than your all-knowing knowledge.

I didn't say they were having affairs, just said that there are Saudi women who have boyfriends. I found this post on a britishexpat forum

"Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum.

I'm a Saudi woman and I have a western boyfriend.

Not all women here want to be locked up at home and not interact with the opposite sex. Not all of us don't want any expat friends.

I know I'm doing something against my culture but hey, it's really strange for me to be living without any male company from time to time.

I'm asking this because I sense that some expats look at me as an inferior when I'm with my boyfriend. What are your thoughts??

Also, I go to my boyfriedn's compound. It allows Saudi people in. Will I ever have a problem with the mutaws?! They're not allowed in as far as I know!! Has anyone heard something different?!"

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Express Pace I didn't say they were having affairs, just said that there are Saudi women who have boyfriends. I found this post on a britishexpat forum "Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum. I'm a Saudi woman and I have a western boyfriend. Not all women here want to be locked up at home and not interact with the opposite sex. Not all of us don't want any expat friends. I know I'm doing something against my culture but hey, it's really strange for me to be living without any male company from time to time. I'm asking this because I sense that some expats look at me as an inferior when I'm with my boyfriend. What are your thoughts?? Also, I go to my boyfriedn's compound. It allows Saudi people in. Will I ever have a problem with the mutaws?! They're not allowed in as far as I know!! Has anyone heard something different?!"

Did you also know that there are people living today that believe the world is flat?

Point is, minorities always exist. Rapes happen everywhere but the amount of rapes is what we are debating about.

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 Did you also know that there are people living today that believe the world is flat? Point is, minorities always exist. Rapes happen everywhere but the amount of rapes is what we are debating about.

How do you know the amount of rapes if they aren't reported, you can't seem to answer this one very simple question. Unless you keep a tab on the vagina of every Arab woman.

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Express Pace How do you know the amount of rapes if they aren't reported, you can't seem to answer this one very simple question. Unless you keep a tab on the vagina of every Arab woman.

I knew you were morally weak but this is a new low.

I am not trying to prove anything. You are playing devil's advocate and trying to prove something that does not happen.

-Statistics
-Media
-First-hand knowledge
-Common sense
-Cultural knowledge

^ all prove your allegation to be a random guess and nothing else.

Btw like I have stated before, I have lived in the Arab world for most of my life.

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 I knew you were morally weak but this is a new low. I am not trying to prove anything. You are playing devil's advocate and trying to prove something that does not happen. -Statistics -Media -First-hand knowledge -Common sense -Cultural knowledge ^ all prove your allegation to be a random guess and nothing else. Btw like I have stated before, I have lived in the Arab world for most of my life.

I must be morally weak because I demand equal treatment for women. Please explain to me how you know less rapes are committed in the Arab world if they are not reported.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri Rape is a much smaller problem in the gulf, i don't think anyone can deny that

Thats my point, but the majority of posters are relentlessly denying it, their main reasons being, how do I know, and that women there don't have rights

Maybe, paying a visit to the Gulf will prove to them, women have rights there too and are equal...

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Express Pace I must be morally weak because I demand equal treatment for women. Please explain to me how you know less rapes are committed in the Arab world if they are not reported.

You are just arguing for the sake of it now.

How do you know rapes are occurring in Arab countries?
How do you know they are not reported?

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Thats my point, but the majority of posters are relentlessly denying it, their main reasons being, how do I know, and that women there don't have rights Maybe, paying a visit to the Gulf will prove to them, women have rights there too and are equal...

I don't get why they do it either?

Maybe they are just jealous that some people have better morals and have women that try their hardest to remain chaste.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Express Pace A large proportion of rapes are committed by husbands, boyfriends, relatives, acquaintances. So, can't agree with your points.

It only happens in the Gulf?

Your arrogance is surprising keeping in mind what this thread is about...

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 You are just arguing for the sake of it now. How do you know rapes are occurring in Arab countries? How do you know they are not reported?

They occur all over the world, Arab countries aren't immune to this. Majority of rapes go unreported all over the world, why do you think this would be any different in the Arab world?

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen It only happens in the Gulf? Your arrogance is surprising keeping in mind what this thread is about...

I didn't say it only happens in the Gulf, what are you on about?

[TAK]

Women who are the victims of rape in the UAE do not always report the attacks because of social stigma and the fear they themselves could end up being prosecuted, according to lawyers involved in such cases.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-n...-in-rape-cases

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Express Pace They occur all over the world, Arab countries aren't immune to this. Majority of rapes go unreported all over the world, why do you think this would be any different in the Arab world?

Because the majority of them are Practising Muslims and in Islam rape, adultery, molesting and even lustfully gazing at a women in forbidden and Haraam

This allows women to wear modest clothing and men to keep their gazes lowered.

No wood. No fire.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Express Pace I didn't say it only happens in the Gulf, what are you on about?

Why are you stressing on it that it does happen in the Gulf? We all agree it does...

It happens more in your part of the world, you refuse to accept that...

As I said before a poster referred to rapes in the Gulf, why not look at the rates in your areas?

Maybe, when the rates decline at your place, it would look lot better for you to have the audacity to comment on places where rates are considerably lower...

Thats my whole point, but you and James refuse to accept it happens a lot more in other places..

You bring womens rights in one country into the argument, when my ONLY point is look in the mirror then point fingers...

I'm sure you still won't get my point and will keep coming back with the same 'how do you know' stuff', but will never accept the problem is bigger closer to you ( which again is my only point)...

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Thats my point, but the majority of posters are relentlessly denying it, their main reasons being, how do I know, and that women there don't have rights Maybe, paying a visit to the Gulf will prove to them, women have rights there too and are equal...

The argument seems to be the official count of rape is lower in the gulf so it must be down to hidden illicit activity and denigrated women.

The clash of civilisations tends to bring about dogmatic debates where everything western is down to people having full liberty, even the bad things and everything eastern is bad even the highlighted positive statistics.

I think it's rather ignorant when you have a hegemenous approach to culture.

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 Because the majority of them are Practising Muslims and in Islam rape, adultery, molesting and even lustfully gazing at a women in forbidden and Haraam This allows women to wear modest clothing and men to keep their gazes lowered. No wood. No fire.

Great that settles it, why do we have peado mulvis and priests?

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 I don't get why they do it either? Maybe they are just jealous that some people have better morals and have women that try their hardest to remain chaste.

I refrained from saying that, but I've had enough, I too feel they are jealous...

Otherwise whats the harm in accepting the truth, instead of improving their own issues, all they can do is point fingers at better off places..

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Why are you stressing on it that it does happen in the Gulf? We all agree it does... It happens more in your part of the world, you refuse to accept that... As I said before a poster referred to rapes in the Gulf, why not look at the rates in your areas? Maybe, when the rates decline at your place, it would look lot better for you to have the audacity to comment on places where rates are considerably lower... Thats my whole point, but you and James refuse to accept it happens a lot more in other places.. You bring womens rights in one country into the argument, when my ONLY point is look in the mirror then point fingers... I'm sure you still won't get my point and will keep coming back with the same 'how do you know' stuff', but will never accept the problem is bigger closer to you ( which again is my only point)...

How do you know it happens less? most rapes aren't reported. Seems you like to go in circles.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri The argument seems to be the official count of rape is lower in the gulf so it must be down to hidden illicit activity and denigrated women. The clash of civilisations tends to bring about dogmatic debates where everything western is down to people having full liberty, even the bad things and everything eastern is bad even the highlighted positive statistics. I think it's rather ignorant when you have a hegemenous approach to culture.

Its like saying if people in our area are of a type, the Gulf population must be like that too...

If not then they'll claim the reality is hidden due to a lack of transparency in Muslim countries, without proof of course...

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Express Pace How do you know it happens less? most rapes aren't reported. Seems you like to go in circles.

You are the only one going round in circles, cause you say the same thing, the reality hurts, thats what bothers you...


I keep saying look in your own backyard then point fingers, that was the only purpose of me commenting here, but you will not do or accept that, cause clearly it leaves you in a sorry state...

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Its like saying if people in our area are of a type, the Gulf population must be like that too... If not then they'll claim the reality is hidden due to a lack of transparency in Muslim countries, without proof of course...

Especially sad is that they fail to save their dignity and continue making the same fail arguments over and over and over again.

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen You are the only one going round in circles, cause you say the same thing, the reality hurts, thats what bothers you... I keep saying look in your own backyard then point fingers, that was the only purpose of me commenting here, but you will not do or accept that, cause clearly it leaves you in a sorry state...

You live in my backyard, if this is such a horrible country that lacks morals, why did you move here? wouldn't it be better for you to stay in the crime free Gulf?

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 Especially sad is that they fail to save their dignity and continue making the same fail arguments over and over and over again.

This coming from a chap who can't even answer a simple question.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 Especially sad is that they fail to save their dignity and continue making the same fail arguments over and over and over again.

I honestly don't care what issues they have, I just didn't like it that a poster referred to the Gulf with regards to such an issue.

Still they will not acknowledge the problem nearer to them is a lot bigger....

[chacha kashmiri]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Its like saying if people in our area are of a type, the Gulf population must be like that too... If not then they'll claim the reality is hidden due to a lack of transparency in Muslim countries, without proof of course...

The main stumbling point of the argument seems to be unreported rape which is high everywhere , in the east because of the stigma attached to it and the west because it's not taken as seriously as it should.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Express Pace You live in my backyard, if this is such a horrible country that lacks morals, why did you move here? wouldn't it be better for you to stay in the crime free Gulf?

I never called it horrible, never will, and neither do I feel it is horrible.

I won't answer your question, as it is of no relevance to you...

You continue to prove your lack of understanding to the point that you shouldn't refer to the Gulf cause the rates there are minimal..

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by chacha kashmiri The main stumbling point of the argument seems to be unreported rape which is high everywhere , in the east because of the stigma attached to it and the west because it's not taken as seriously as it should.

Yes, I feel you are right with regards to your reasoning for both regions..

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen I never called it horrible, never will, and neither do I feel it is horrible. I won't answer your question, as it is of no relevance to you... You continue to prove your lack of understanding to the point that you shouldn't refer to the Gulf cause the rates there are minimal..

Because they aren't reported.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by TAK http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-n...-in-rape-cases

Yet some posters mock me for referring to the fact that papers do highlight such issues...

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Express Pace Because they aren't reported.

So you deny that the rates are a lot higher near you, right?

[Express Pace]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen So you deny that the rates are a lot higher near you, right?

How do I know? majority of rapes aren't reported, I am not going to make a judgement on misleading figures like you are.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Express Pace How do I know? majority of rapes aren't reported, I am not going to make a judgement on misleading figures like you are.

I comment on it cause I know they are a lot lower...

There is no comparison really, but you can continue to be vague as it helps your cause...

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Express Pace How do I know? majority of rapes aren't reported, I am not going to make a judgement on misleading figures like you are.

How do you know they are not reported?

I already gave my reasons to prove that they happen
very rarely How about you give me reasons or evidence which proves your point?

[Bilal7]

Originally Posted by Express Pace You live in my backyard, if this is such a horrible country that lacks morals, why did you move here? wouldn't it be better for you to stay in the crime free Gulf?

You have no right to comment on where people should or should not live.

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 You have no right to comment on where people should or should not live.

He has started getting personal, because one thing is for sure,he won't accept the rates nearer to him are way higher...

[LongHorn]

Some of the posts here are laughable.


Anyways, all said, rapes and abuse is lower in Gulf than in west, but the logic that "rapes are very low because they are not reported in papers" is ridiculous.

And the better morals bit is funny as well, as it is well known that a huge number of visitors to bars in the UAE are Saudis....and everything from homsexuality, to prostitution to maid abuse is rife (just not reported in papers)

And then they talk about living in the Gulf: as I said I have lived a longer time here than most of you, and I am assimilated to some extent, you dont "hear" of many things because obviously bad things shouldnt be publicised, but the amount of Fasad that is below the surface is quite high for a supposedly "high moral" society.

There are maids raped on daily basis, some are impregnated by employers sons, some women have affairs with their Pakistani drivers, many many girls and boys swing the other way in segregated schools.

It sone thing to live in a country, read the papers and claim "there is very little crime here".
Its another thing to actually live in a region for 3 decades; know the local dialect inside out, mix with all sorts of people, and then understand that whats below the surface is not always pretty.

Anyone who has actually mixed with Pakhtun drivers here socially, will know that there is a common occurence of bored women having affairs with their family drivers, but its such a shameful thing, that people dont discuss it, and hell will freeze over before any paper reports it.


I can predict the response, it will be

"Such things happen in the West also".

Yes of course it does.....

[LongHorn]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 Because the majority of them are Practising Muslims and in Islam rape, adultery, molesting and even lustfully gazing at a women in forbidden and Haraam This allows women to wear modest clothing and men to keep their gazes lowered. No wood. No fire.

Yet the worst starers i have seen are many Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis, they eye down even hijabi girls...

My family wears full Hijab, and yet they get stared at more in the Gulf and subcontinent than in the West

Your post reminds me of a person who claimed no Muslim takes drugs. When asked why, his reply is "because drugs are haram in Islam"

You cant win against logic like that

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 Because the majority of them are Practising Muslims and in Islam rape, adultery, molesting and even lustfully gazing at a women in forbidden and Haraam This allows women to wear modest clothing and men to keep their gazes lowered. No wood. No fire.

This is absolutely one of the worst sentences I have read on the internet and is clearly written by a young person with not much exeprience of real world

first you have the brazen affrontery to mention women as objects. Secondly you are comparing normal men with perverted individuals who rape and molest men. a normal secure man like you and me will not rape and molest women no matter what they wear. Not even if they are accidently naked in front of me. Many kids are molested and raped everyday in the world. They must be wood to the innocent rapist's fire too, right? Pathethic

Isnt murder haraam in Islam? Are the murderers less in Islam than in any other religion? Your post is like one from a kid who has read about idealistic living in a text book but has no experience of the real world and what evils human beings are capable of in real life

[TAK]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Yet some posters mock me for referring to the fact that papers do highlight such issues...

that isn't the reason you are being mocked lad

[TAK]

Originally Posted by Indiafan This is absolutely one of the worst sentences I have read on the internet and is clearly written by a young person with not much exeprience of real world first you have the brazen affrontery to mention women as objects. Secondly you are comparing normal men with perverted individuals who rape and molest men. a normal secure man like you and me will not rape and molest women no matter what they wear. Not even if they are accidently naked in front of me. Many kids are molested and raped everyday in the world. They must be wood to the innocent rapist's fire too, right? Pathethic Isnt murder haraam in Islam? Are the murderers less in Islam than in any other religion? Your post is like one from a kid who has read about idealistic living in a text book but has no experience of the real world and what evils human beings are capable of in real life

fantastic post

pakpassion should have a virgins forum

[James]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 Because the majority of them are Practising Muslims and in Islam rape, adultery, molesting and even lustfully gazing at a women in forbidden and Haraam This allows women to wear modest clothing and men to keep their gazes lowered. No wood. No fire.

Me reading this post

[James]

Originally Posted by LongHorn Some of the posts here are laughable. Anyways, all said, rapes and abuse is lower in Gulf than in west, but the logic that "rapes are very low because they are not reported in papers" is ridiculous. And the better morals bit is funny as well, as it is well known that a huge number of visitors to bars in the UAE are Saudis....and everything from homsexuality, to prostitution to maid abuse is rife (just not reported in papers) And then they talk about living in the Gulf: as I said I have lived a longer time here than most of you, and I am assimilated to some extent, you dont "hear" of many things because obviously bad things shouldnt be publicised, but the amount of Fasad that is below the surface is quite high for a supposedly "high moral" society. There are maids raped on daily basis, some are impregnated by employers sons, some women have affairs with their Pakistani drivers, many many girls and boys swing the other way in segregated schools. It sone thing to live in a country, read the papers and claim "there is very little crime here". Its another thing to actually live in a region for 3 decades; know the local dialect inside out, mix with all sorts of people, and then understand that whats below the surface is not always pretty. Anyone who has actually mixed with Pakhtun drivers here socially, will know that there is a common occurence of bored women having affairs with their family drivers, but its such a shameful thing, that people dont discuss it, and hell will freeze over before any paper reports it. I can predict the response, it will be "Such things happen in the West also". Yes of course it does.....

Informed post quoted for legendary status.

[kingusama92]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 Because the majority of them are Practising Muslims and in Islam rape, adultery, molesting and even lustfully gazing at a women in forbidden and Haraam This allows women to wear modest clothing and men to keep their gazes lowered. No wood. No fire.

Oh boy.

There are no words to describe how much of a logical fail your post is.

Let's just say it's obviously a fact that all practising Muslims NEVER sin.

[James]

Originally Posted by TAK fantastic post pakpassion should have a virgins forum

Potential start-up threads -

'Woman exposes hip flesh in concert'
'Taxi driver wrongly accused of staring'
'Which is the best free Uni?'
'Dungeons and Dragons 4th edition'
'Possible members of the Illuminati?'
'Design your own Shahid Afridi placard'
'Favourite poster...on your wall?'

[TAK]

Originally Posted by Bilal7 Because the majority of them are Practising Muslims and in Islam rape, adultery, molesting and even lustfully gazing at a women in forbidden and Haraam This allows women to wear modest clothing and men to keep their gazes lowered. No wood. No fire.

one of the men convicted of of raping children was a qari sahib (reciter of the quran)

he had worked at the local mosque and was even saying prayers in the dock, such was his piety

there must have been a gross miscaraige of justice

shami chakrabatay rochadle needs you now

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by TAK that isn't the reason you are being mocked lad

Then whats the reason? Is it because I was brave enough to remind posters that they shouldn't even mention rape in the Gulf, because this thread is about rape in another part of the world?

All they can do is divert the topic even more by referring to rates in the Gulf, and while I have repeatedly said, this vile act is committed in the Gulf too, no one is accepting it happens here too, even though this thread you started is all about what happens here..

[TAK]

Originally Posted by PakiGreen Then whats the reason?

perhaps it's your user name

[Liverpoolred]

Originally Posted by TAK perhaps it's your user name

Vague!

[Cpt. Rishwat]

One thing I will say is that when I was in Dubai and read the papers in the morning I was struck by how little anti-western rhetoric was there was in there. They are very unlike the newspapers in the UK where there is a very hostile press towards the middle east and we almost seem more concerned about arab women's condition than we do our own.

That might be because the press is more controlled over there, but still there seemed to be a lot less hostility to the west than there is in the other direction. I mean just look at this thread. It's about honour killings in the UK yet it's turned into a denunciation of women's rights in the middle east.

[TAK]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat One thing I will say is that when I was in Dubai and...

had a look around is that they treat pakistanis/indians/bengalis/phillipinos etc like s h i t

i do wonder why there is so little anti-western rhetoric there ?

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Originally Posted by TAK had a look around is that they treat pakistanis/indians/bengalis/phillipinos etc like s h i t i do wonder why there is so little anti-western rhetoric there ?

I think they treat the low class workers like s h i t, but then they get treated like that in their own country as well. Maybe we should grant them all visas and bring them to the UK along with the women so they can all be treat much better.

[TAK]

the trial has started today in chester court of parents accused of murdering their teenage daughter in 2003

it makes for quite sad reading the loss of such a young life, i hope the young lady found some peace in death, it certainly appears the last year of her life was harrowing

the protection of honour is such a powerful emotion but it's consequences are heartbreaking

[LongHorn]

Its not about anti western rhetoric, its just that they are muted on most issues compared to the typical British tabloid or even broadsheet

British papers arent just anti-Arab, the way they criticize their own ministers/players is beyond what any Gulf paper will do for their own.

Not necessarily a bad idea, as irresponsible journalism doesnt do anyone any good

[TAK]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat I think they treat the low class workers like s h i t, but then they get treated like that in their own country as well.

sounds like they deserve it, low class b u m s