78 runs from 75 deliveries

[Saj]

That was all that was needed when Misbah was out and that was with 7 wickets in hand.

That should not have been any problem for most batting orders.

[I Believe in the Teesra]

I've come to realize its not a matter of batting talent in these kinds of close run chases but more about whether or not a player has the clutch gene. Our lower order doesn't have that. Apart from Afridi, its just a collapse that will inevitably happen.

Umar and Younus are not clutch.

[khalil1986]

Blame goes in its entirety on the middle order of Younis, Akmal, Afridi and Sarfaraz.

[dirk diggler]

That's fair enough, but do we always have to be behind the 8 ball? Why cant we make sure we need 35 off 70 balls?

[khalil1986]

Originally Posted by I Believe in the Teesra I've come to realize its not a matter of batting talent in these kinds of close run chases but more about whether or not a player has the clutch gene. Our lower order doesn't have that. Apart from Afridi, its just a collapse that will inevitably happen. Umar and Younus are not clutch.

He is just as guilty as the rest of the ones you mentioned.

[Myrmidon]

i would love to see somebody come up with enough guts to criticize this awesome batsman after this

he has for too long been scapegoat for the failings of people like umar akmal, younus khan, mohammad hafeez, and to an extent shahid afridi aswell

[talha3]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler That's fair enough, but do we always have to be behind the 8 ball? Why cant we make sure we need 35 off 70 balls?

Because we're not good enough. If we tried, we would lose wickets. Anyway, we were never comfortable in terms of wickets. The only time we were comfortable was just before Misbah got out. He rightfully tried to then push on and not leave it till the end.

The others take full blame.

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by I Believe in the Teesra I've come to realize its not a matter of batting talent in these kinds of close run chases but more about whether or not a player has the clutch gene. Our lower order doesn't have that. Apart from Afridi, its just a collapse that will inevitably happen. Umar and Younus are not clutch.

Err, when was the last time Afridi did anything while chasing? In an ODI?

[Pete Rose]

in order to 'romp home with overs to spare' you need an aggressive start with aggressive openers and in order to win at the death you need 'tough' middle order players.
Pakistan has neither. Except Misbah and Azhar who are probably looking to bat through the innings.

[duostyle]

Oh lawd. Decided to follow an ODI after a long time. So bad that it ended up being absolutely hilarious, that Tanvir run out was mint. These guys haven't learned a thing.

[khalil1986]

Originally Posted by Indiafan Err, when was the last time Afridi did anything while chasing? In an ODI?

how can you forgot 2009 it was only like 3 years ago LOL

[kamran_uk]

Forgetting Hafeez aren't we he started the innings with a magnificent Duck so add him to the list biased people

[freelance_cricketer]

Only South Africa could replicate this but only in a big ICC knock out

[Lara400]

Top 5 just don't know how to play a long innings and end up getting out when it counts, no different to the past and I certainly didn't expect any different. Hatrick is just one of those freak performances.

[farazaidi]

Originally Posted by I Believe in the Teesra I've come to realize its not a matter of batting talent in these kinds of close run chases but more about whether or not a player has the clutch gene. Our lower order doesn't have that. Apart from Afridi, its just a collapse that will inevitably happen. Umar and Younus are not clutch.

So Afridi have the clutch for chasing? can you please enlighten us when has he won matches while chasing? its always been a cameo here and there and never or very rarely has he taken team to the finish line. No one, unfortunately in the current team have the ability to finish matches, and Afridi is the worst of the worst in that regard

[pakistanigoneaussie]

the entire lower order needs a reshuffle, when chasing umar should be at 4, misbah at 5, hammad needs to be in, he is the only batsman that seems to have a future as a finisher

[Square Drive]

Younis is now DONE. You can't call Umar Akmal crap, 'cause it's just one match. He NEEDS to bat at 4-5. Azhar was brilliant, Asad was doing good, Misbah was great. Hafeez should bat at 6 or should be dropped, but I think his bowling keeps him in as a bowling all-rounder. Afridi was disappointing, but is a matchwinner so should be in. Sarfraz is playing no better than Kamran, so we need a new 'keeper such as Jamal Anwar. Gul is really inconsistent, Tanvir and Sami should both be in. IMO, 5 bowlers are enough. And case of emergency, Azhar can bowl 2-3 overs.

My line-up:

Jamshed
Azhar
Asad
Misbah (c)
Umar
Hafeez/Hammad
Jamal/another NEW WK
Afridi
Tanvir
Sami
Ajmal

[I Believe in the Teesra]

Originally Posted by farazaidi So Afridi have the clutch for chasing? can you please enlighten us when has he won matches while chasing? its always been a cameo here and there and never or very rarely has he taken team to the finish line. No one, unfortunately in the current team have the ability to finish matches, and Afridi is the worst of the worst in that regard

That's the problem with the squad right now. Afridi's clutch gene is there because atleast he shows up big sometimes. Others don't at all. He atleast has the potential to lead us home. If its Umar or Younis, then I know it'll end up in defeat.

http://cricket52.blogspot.com/2011/0...id-afridi.html

Number 2, 3, 5, and 6 are particular instances where he has exhibited his clutch gene.

[I Believe in the Teesra]

Originally Posted by Square Drive Younis is now DONE. You can't call Umar Akmal crap, 'cause it's just one match. He NEEDS to bat at 4-5. Azhar was brilliant, Asad was doing good, Misbah was great. Hafeez should bat at 6 or should be dropped, but I think his bowling keeps him in as a bowling all-rounder. Afridi was disappointing, but is a matchwinner so should be in. Sarfraz is playing no better than Kamran, so we need a new 'keeper such as Jamal Anwar. Gul is really inconsistent, Tanvir and Sami should both be in. IMO, 5 bowlers are enough. And case of emergency, Azhar can bowl 2-3 overs. My line-up: Jamshed Azhar Asad Misbah (c) Umar Hafeez/Hammad Jamal/another NEW WK Afridi Tanvir Sami Ajmal

This is an ideal lineup imo. Keep Afridi as a batting option as low in the order as you can because it keeps the batting unit deep while at the same time doesn't hurt the bowling too much.

[khalil1986]

Originally Posted by I Believe in the Teesra That's the problem with the squad right now. Afridi's clutch gene is there because atleast he shows up big sometimes. Others don't at all. He atleast has the potential to lead us home. If its Umar or Younis, then I know it'll end up in defeat. http://cricket52.blogspot.com/2011/0...id-afridi.html Number 2, 3, 5, and 6 are particular instances where he has exhibited his clutch gene.

LOL he has played over 422 international games and you can barely come up with a handful of games.

[kamran_uk]

Originally Posted by I Believe in the Teesra That's the problem with the squad right now. Afridi's clutch gene is there because atleast he shows up big sometimes. Others don't at all. He atleast has the potential to lead us home. If its Umar or Younis, then I know it'll end up in defeat. http://cricket52.blogspot.com/2011/0...id-afridi.html Number 2, 3, 5, and 6 are particular instances where he has exhibited his clutch gene.

exactly

[I Believe in the Teesra]

Originally Posted by khalil1986 LOL he has played over 422 international games and you can barely come up with a handful of games.

What? He asked me if there were instances where Afridi showed he's clutch and I showed a handful of those games. I'm not sure what you want.

[saeed-sohail]

Originally Posted by I Believe in the Teesra What? He asked me if there were instances where Afridi showed he's clutch and I showed a handful of those games. I'm not sure what you want.

YK is a pathetic ODI batsman and should be nowhere near the team but I can pick twice as many clutch games compared to Afridi.

[AZulfi]

If an international side cannot chase that 9 times out of 10, then they need to stop playing cricket - period

186 off the 199 runs were scored by three batsmen Misbah, Azhar and Asad and extras. Ajmal scored 12, that makes it 198, the other 7 batsmen scored 1 run

[Down2Earth]

even zimbabwe would have chased this down from such a position

[Zaz]

Originally Posted by I Believe in the Teesra I've come to realize its not a matter of batting talent in these kinds of close run chases but more about whether or not a player has the clutch gene. Our lower order doesn't have that. Apart from Afridi, its just a collapse that will inevitably happen. Umar and Younus are not clutch.

Afridi has the clutch gene? The guys a certified loser More often than not he gift wraps his wkt to the opposition after all the others do the hard work just like today

[WNC]

There needs to be a change in chasing strategy. We are no longer capable of chasing big scores by going hard at the end because we do not have the ability. Umar Akmal is out of touch, and Afridi is mediocre on most days barring a once in a blue moon innings, rarely while chasing. So we need to chase in such a way thinking that our tail starts with Afridi, so that the chase, or majority of it, is complete before our tail starts.
And we need to get rid of Younis Khan, he's a liability in the ODI squad.

[HA123]

hafeez is an embaressment in his last six games he's had 3 ducks

[Bullet Drive]

7 batsman scored 1 run. Shows how pathetic the batting line up is.

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by khalil1986 how can you forgot 2009 it was only like 3 years ago LOL

True but thats how long it takes for him to shine.

[farazaidi]

Originally Posted by I Believe in the Teesra That's the problem with the squad right now. Afridi's clutch gene is there because atleast he shows up big sometimes. Others don't at all. He atleast has the potential to lead us home. If its Umar or Younis, then I know it'll end up in defeat. http://cricket52.blogspot.com/2011/0...id-afridi.html Number 2, 3, 5, and 6 are particular instances where he has exhibited his clutch gene.

my dear friend, I'm not sure you're getting the subject of this thread. It is about run chases and Afridi can be anything but a finisher. Its even more obvious from the examples you've quoted that even at his best, Afridi got out before taking his team to victory. Ironically, it doesnt include his most significant innings chasing, the T20 WC final 2009.

You're fighting a lost cause here, Afridi can never ever be relied upon while chasing, the runs he scores are always considered bonus !

[in_cutter]

Drop:

Hahahafeez
Younis
Sarfraz
Tanvir

Bring in a PROPER opening batsman to support Azhar...I dont care who replaces the other 3..they need to GO.

[amlafan79]

sorry but u guys need to either drop hafee or afridi on form hafeez is better bowler..but being pakistan u people wont even think abt dropping afridi..play one more solid batsman...how can u expect misbah to play quickly as after he gets out these jokers come out to bat

[OmaIR1]

I wouldn't depend on Akmal and Afridi to get those though

[w8in_4_0402]

People who make this a Afridi issue need to wake up. We cannot chase in an ODI.

[OmaIR1]

Originally Posted by HA123 hafeez is an embaressment in his last six games he's had 3 ducks

I think they said he has 5 in his last 12

[farazaidi]

Originally Posted by w8in_4_0402 People who make this a Afridi issue need to wake up. We cannot chase in an ODI.

Afridi is a issue, and we cannot chase is another issue. People who think Afridi has been or can be a savior for us while chasing need to get their head examined

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by farazaidi Afridi is a issue, and we cannot chase is another issue. People who think Afridi has been or can be a savior for us while chasing need to get their head examined

Afridi hit a 50 just a few games ago. Oh boy people do have very short memory.

Fact is pakistan haven't chased a total over 250 since February 2011(I think ) And the problem is the top and middle order. We need everyone to click. and unfortunately it just isnt happening

[farazaidi]

Originally Posted by Kray_jackson7 Afridi hit a 50 just a few games ago. Oh boy people do have very short memory. Fact is pakistan haven't chased a total over 250 since February 2011(I think ) And the problem is the top and middle order. We need everyone to click. and unfortunately it just isnt happening

Oh boy did he scored that 50 while chasing??? ofcourse he did .. NOT !!!

Please read the thread atleast before embarrassing yourself !

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by farazaidi Oh boy did he scored that 50 while chasing??? ofcourse he did .. NOT !!! Please read the thread atleast before embarrassing yourself !

Why single out Afridi? Who can be a savior while chasing? Misbah? Azhar? Umar akmal? YK? we havent chased in over a year and the fault is Afridi's? you sir are correct, i apologise

[farazaidi]

Originally Posted by Kray_jackson7 Why single out Afridi? Who can be a savior while chasing? Misbah? Azhar? Umar akmal? YK? we havent chased in over a year and the fault is Afridi's? you sir are correct, i apologise

ofcourse I'm right about him but if you have read the entire thread, you'd know that I wasnt the one who singled out Afridi. Some other poster had infact singled out Afridi to be the only player with chasing clutch to which I replied.

Now you owe me another apology !

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by farazaidi ofcourse I'm right about him but if you have read the entire thread, you'd know that I wasnt the one who singled out Afridi. Some other poster had infact singled out Afridi to be the only player with chasing clutch to which I replied. Now you owe me another apology !

Your comment was aimed at someone who said the issue is not just about afridis ability to chase but the pakistan teams issue to chase. And you decided to tell him that Afridi cannot be a savior while chasing when he said nothing of the sort. I don'y you any apology sir. But because i have a big heart have one anyway. I apologize...

[cricketpassion]

Seriously I am still thinking how we have messed this up.We definitely need changes , Please Dav Watmore be brave and drop Younus Khan.
I dont understand why selectors didnt select Hammad in the team ?

[farazaidi]

Originally Posted by Kray_jackson7 Your comment was aimed at someone who said the issue is not just about afridis ability to chase but the pakistan teams issue to chase. And you decided to tell him that Afridi cannot be a savior while chasing when he said nothing of the sort. I don'y you any apology sir. But because i have a big heart have one anyway. I apologize...

nah, that comment was made in jest after your initial apology which wasnt needed in the first place. But I like the way you gave another unconditional apology, cheers mate !

Back to the topic, apart from other 1000 benefits of Hammad Azam, the guy also has a reputation of a finisher. Just bring him in already !

Its a shame he got dropped after performing admirably in the Asia cup, and we selected losers like Farhat and Khalid Latif

[zulfiqar]

We don't have good batsmen period; epic fail there! Today the lower order was to blame + YK/Umar/Afridi (who still should be batting at 8# not 7#.. since he's not a batsman) + Sarfaraz.

Misbah didn't really do anything wrong, but it would be nice if he saw us home.

[Kray_jackson7]

Originally Posted by farazaidi nah, that comment was made in jest after your initial apology which wasnt needed in the first place. But I like the way you gave another unconditional apology, cheers mate ! Back to the topic, apart from other 1000 benefits of Hammad Azam, the guy also has a reputation of a finisher. Just bring him in already ! Its a shame he got dropped after performing admirably in the Asia cup, and we selected losers like Farhat and Khalid Latif

THIS! The youngsters not being given a fair run in the side? Azam should be bought in, YK should be dropped (To be honest i feel he should have chose to retire himself by now). Umar akmal should be given a certain number of innings to show improvement. Personally i think we need him at number 3 as an attacking player to sit between azhar, who looks like he will remain opener, and misbah.

[khan007]

Originally Posted by amlafan79 sorry but u guys need to either drop hafee or afridi on form hafeez is better bowler..but being pakistan u people wont even think abt dropping afridi..play one more solid batsman...how can u expect misbah to play quickly as after he gets out these jokers come out to bat

what misbah and azhar should have done what mahela and sanga did to bull crap dozer and ajmal during their batting powerplay because they were set batsmen u can't expect the new batsman come in and start hitting out that's why misbah sucks as a captian he is not aggressive and he never wants to chase and if he doesn't change his mind set from win the toss and bat mentality he is not gonna learn who in his team is capable of chasing and he is passing this mind set throughout this team and why wait till 35 overs to play batting power play malinga mostly bowls during powerplay if u take powerplay early u can get rid most of his overs and new batsman coming doesn't have to come in and face malinga that much and crumble under pressure

[Looney]

A few games ago only Afridi made 52 not out ( and 2 wickets ! ) after a collapse and Pakistan ended up winning that one . Stop blaming Afridi , he is an allrounder but still contributing more than the specialist lulloo batsmen we have as Umar Akmal , Younis Khan , Hafeez and to an extent - Misbah .

[Stewie]

Clutch gene my ass, afridi has let his countrymen down with the bat in hand more times than all those put together who have called s Africans chokers..

After playing over 400 Odis, even harbhajan Singh has learnt how to bat Lower down the order and he shows more of the mythical "clutch gene" than the buffoon called afridi.

People who used to rescue us down the order were people like wasim, razzaq, Ijaz, Qadir at times, Saleem yousaf, inzi when he used to play down the order, etc.

People like miandad or Asif mujtaba or Moin khan have the clutch gene. Clowns who think afridi stands next to these legends should simply shut up.


Our batting is a joke. We used to be legends and most dangerous team while chasing back in the 80s and 90s. People used to say PAkistan is never out till the last ball is bowled or final wicket taken.

This team now is running on bowling. Batsmen apart from Azhar, Misbah, and somewhat umar and Asad are nothing but a bunch of associate level second stringers..

[IM NOT YOU]

today we reached rock bottom.


we hid younis khan down the order, in a run chase.


why would you put the most useless and hopeless batsman in the team down the order with the most inconsistent other batsman and a wicket keeper-batsman with no confidence?

we set ourselves up for failure. it was imminent the second we lost misbah and umar akmal in quick succesion.

even if the hat-trick hadn't been taken, younis was bound to fail before making 10 runs and the rest of the order was too fragile, so the game would've likely had been lost anyway.




the batting order was terrible and the team selection was again, terrible.


its time to just end this tour and re-think our entire ODI selection /system.


my end thoughts:

1) hafeez can no longer open - if he wants to be in the team he has to learn to play in the middle order

2) azhar ali should be the #4 batsman, providing stability after the loss of the first two wickets and playing the role of 'best batsman' in the team

3) asad shafiq and fawad alam should be consistently selected and groomed in the early/middle order

4) we need to find more "batting-allrounders" to compete and fill the hole left by abdul razzaq and to provide competition to hafeez and sohail tanvir

5) sohail tanvir's role must be refined. he is NOT an all-rounder and should not be treated as such. therefore his place in the team should be under heavy scrutiny

6) hammad azam, ahmed shehzad, and nasir jamshed are a must for this team and should be in the team at all times






today was not misbah's fault in any way. i have been one of the heaviest critics of his style, and maintain that he needs to slowly think about retiring and let fawad, asad, azhar, umar, hammad take over the team. that being said, today he did his job and was let down by his team mates.

[insaaniyat]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU today we reached rock bottom. we hid younis khan down the order, in a run chase. why would you put the most useless and hopeless batsman in the team down the order with the most inconsistent other batsman and a wicket keeper-batsman with no confidence? we set ourselves up for failure. it was imminent the second we lost misbah and umar akmal in quick succesion. even if the hat-trick hadn't been taken, younis was bound to fail before making 10 runs and the rest of the order was too fragile, so the game would've likely had been lost anyway. the batting order was terrible and the team selection was again, terrible. its time to just end this tour and re-think our entire ODI selection /system. my end thoughts: 1) hafeez can no longer open - if he wants to be in the team he has to learn to play in the middle order 2) azhar ali should be the #4 batsman, providing stability after the loss of the first two wickets and playing the role of 'best batsman' in the team 3) asad shafiq and fawad alam should be consistently selected and groomed in the early/middle order 4) we need to find more "batting-allrounders" to compete and fill the hole left by abdul razzaq and to provide competition to hafeez and sohail tanvir 5) sohail tanvir's role must be refined. he is NOT an all-rounder and should not be treated as such. therefore his place in the team should be under heavy scrutiny 6) hammad azam, ahmed shehzad, and nasir jamshed are a must for this team and should be in the team at all times today was not misbah's fault in any way. i have been one of the heaviest critics of his style, and maintain that he needs to slowly think about retiring and let fawad, asad, azhar, umar, hammad take over the team. that being said, today he did his job and was let down by his team mates.

Good analysis. Afridi should be dropped too unless for now if he can be selected as a bowler only.

[Stewie]

Originally Posted by IM NOT YOU today we reached rock bottom. we hid younis khan down the order, in a run chase. why would you put the most useless and hopeless batsman in the team down the order with the most inconsistent other batsman and a wicket keeper-batsman with no confidence? we set ourselves up for failure. it was imminent the second we lost misbah and umar akmal in quick succesion. even if the hat-trick hadn't been taken, younis was bound to fail before making 10 runs and the rest of the order was too fragile, so the game would've likely had been lost anyway. the batting order was terrible and the team selection was again, terrible. its time to just end this tour and re-think our entire ODI selection /system. my end thoughts: 1) hafeez can no longer open - if he wants to be in the team he has to learn to play in the middle order 2) azhar ali should be the #4 batsman, providing stability after the loss of the first two wickets and playing the role of 'best batsman' in the team 3) asad shafiq and fawad alam should be consistently selected and groomed in the early/middle order 4) we need to find more "batting-allrounders" to compete and fill the hole left by abdul razzaq and to provide competition to hafeez and sohail tanvir 5) sohail tanvir's role must be refined. he is NOT an all-rounder and should not be treated as such. therefore his place in the team should be under heavy scrutiny 6) hammad azam, ahmed shehzad, and nasir jamshed are a must for this team and should be in the team at all times today was not misbah's fault in any way. i have been one of the heaviest critics of his style, and maintain that he needs to slowly think about retiring and let fawad, asad, azhar, umar, hammad take over the team. that being said, today he did his job and was let down by his team mates.

Well said. But you can only play one of hafeez or afridi if hafeez will not open. I have not yet given up on him. But the rest I agree. We need calmer heads like fawad and need Hammad to come in when people like younis are not delivering at this age. Phase them out sooner rather than later. We also need to question gul as the bowling leader if he is going to be so up and down. For effs sake even rao ifitkhar was more consistent... At least with him we knew what we were going to get.

[Poison]

Perera got a hat trick, sh!t happens this is cricket. Awful awful collapse but it shouldn't be something that sets all the heads in the team rolling ... Younis looks finished as an ODI cricketer and something needs to be done about Sarfraz' batting but otherwise losing 5-2 should be treated for what it actually is .. an oddity.

[LethalSami]

didn't India collapse 29-9 recently against SA???

this is cricket, sh!t happens, move on

we lose one match there are 100 threads how PAk XI is awful
we win one match there are 100 threads how PAk XI is wonderful

comeon, what the hell

and here i thought i had knee-jerk reaction issues

[kamran_uk]

This is cricket and these things happen. I remember sl collapsing in sharjah where Razzaq took 5 or 6 wickets. they only needed 20 or 30 runs and match ended up being a tie. Move on :-) and keep supporting team green

[Pete Rose]

Originally Posted by LethalSami didn't India collapse 29-9 recently against SA??? this is cricket, sh!t happens, move on we lose one match there are 100 threads how PAk XI is awful we win one match there are 100 threads how PAk XI is wonderful comeon, what the hell and here i thought i had knee-jerk reaction issues

all well, you suggest?

[Zaini]

The same mistakes are being made over a year and half now, Pakistan bowlers cant bail the team out when were chasing a target. Anything more that 220 even on a good pitch is impossible for this team. The team needs a shake up, quick!

[CricketTruth]

Originally Posted by Looney A few games ago only Afridi made 52 not out ( and 2 wickets ! ) after a collapse and Pakistan ended up winning that one . Stop blaming Afridi , he is an allrounder but still contributing more than the specialist lulloo batsmen we have as Umar Akmal , Younis Khan , Hafeez and to an extent - Misbah .

That is t20. No need to mix formats. Younis is one of the best test batsman in the world, it doesn't stop him from being a poor one day player. Afridi is a world class t20 player but average in the 50 over game. Since we are referring to 50 overs, t20 does not have relevance.

[Saj]

Originally Posted by Poison Perera got a hat trick, sh!t happens this is cricket. Awful awful collapse but it shouldn't be something that sets all the heads in the team rolling ... Younis looks finished as an ODI cricketer and something needs to be done about Sarfraz' batting but otherwise losing 5-2 should be treated for what it actually is .. an oddity.

I disagree with you. It's not something that can just be brushed under the carpet as something that "just happens".

Look at Pakistan's stats when chasing totals.

The biggest concern for me though was the lack of effort from some of the starting eleven yesterday and the lack of application.

No excuse at all for losing yesterday, from a matchwinning and comfortable situation.

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by LethalSami didn't India collapse 29-9 recently against SA??? this is cricket, sh!t happens, move on

Just that India ended up scoring 290 (instead of 350+) despite the embarrassing collapse.



But i agree with the second part, every team fails miserably on certain days. Recently we saw Aussies getting bowled out for 40 something in a test match and they won the very next test in spanking fashion and then went on to rape our losers 4-0. Good teams learn from mistakes and get better.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Saj I disagree with you. It's not something that can just be brushed under the carpet as something that "just happens". Look at Pakistan's stats when chasing totals. The biggest concern for me though was the lack of effort from some of the starting eleven yesterday and the lack of application. No excuse at all for losing yesterday, from a matchwinning and comfortable situation.

We do have a serious problem with chasing but this wasn't an example of that ... this was just an implosion which very rarely happens, but becomes more likely when you have a few passengers in your ODI side.

Shouldn't be brushed under the carpet but conversely shouldn't act as a catalyst for reshuffling the whole side.

[humzy]

It's time to get rid of Afridi and Younis for ODI's.. keep Afridi for T20 and keep Younis for Test.

I don't even know why they kept playing with Younis.. I would have Moyo over him 1000x if he is still willing to play ODI.. had a great career ave of over 45.

[saadibaba]

We needed 78 out of 75 balls but we started playing like we needed 78 out of 21 balls. Instead of focusing on keeping wickets in hand and taking singles and doubles with an occasional four from a bad ball, we turned it into a T20 game. We started playing bad shots. We put pressure on ourselves. Experience is suppose to make you better adapted to make changes to your game and sustain pressure. Our seniors throw away their wickets like its going out of fashion.

[amlafan79]

Originally Posted by saadibaba We needed 78 out of 75 balls but we started playing like we needed 78 out of 21 balls. Instead of focusing on keeping wickets in hand and taking singles and doubles with an occasional four from a bad ball, we turned it into a T20 game. We started playing bad shots. We put pressure on ourselves. Experience is suppose to make you better adapted to make changes to your game and sustain pressure. Our seniors throw away their wickets like its going out of fashion.

well lil offtopic i just finished reading tht novel in ur siggy 4-5 days ago
awesome stuff!

[saadibaba]

Originally Posted by amlafan79 well lil offtopic i just finished reading tht novel in ur siggy 4-5 days ago awesome stuff!

Its a great read.

[amlafan79]

Originally Posted by khan007 what misbah and azhar should have done what mahela and sanga did to bull crap dozer and ajmal during their batting powerplay because they were set batsmen u can't expect the new batsman come in and start hitting out that's why misbah sucks as a captian he is not aggressive and he never wants to chase and if he doesn't change his mind set from win the toss and bat mentality he is not gonna learn who in his team is capable of chasing and he is passing this mind set throughout this team and why wait till 35 overs to play batting power play malinga mostly bowls during powerplay if u take powerplay early u can get rid most of his overs and new batsman coming doesn't have to come in and face malinga that much and crumble under pressure

ok i tell u the big diff here why 2 set batsmen of both teams played so differently first...pakistan were chasing.. sri lanka were putting up a total (in the end they fell short by 20-30 runs they should ve gotten 270 and mahela and sanga were going for it )
now pakistan were chasing 243 there was no need to take risk even at end required rate was very very easy 6 rpo now a days is nothing..
now 2nd difference this batting collapse jsut justified theres approach..it was always either them finishing it playing till end or pak losing and tht wht happened...
there was no pressure when those 5 wicket fell u cant put blame on them no matter how u see it

[amlafan79]

Originally Posted by saadibaba Its a great read.

yep gonna read animal farm soon
anyway sorry for derail!

[Mohsin]

Yet most of the time its Misbah's fault we lose...'he may have scored the 50 but he did it too slow, thats why the rest were out for 0, 5 or 10' or 'well he may have scored those runs, ut he shouldve stayed at the crease...how dare he get out and leave us with an almost impossible target of 70 at practically a run a ball with 7 wickets in hand'

Some blind haters of a guy who actually scores...wait for it...runs!