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Old 15th January 2006, 01:40
Mercenary Mercenary is offline
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Flat Pitches, Fast Pitches, Swerve and Double Swerve?

Traditionally home advantage means picking the grounds you feel will suit your team over the visiting team, great crowd support and sometimes picking what sort of pitch you will play on.

But have Woolmer and Inzi taken this to a different level?

When England arrived, they were given fast pitches vs the best of the rest from the Pakistani fast bowling reserves which resulted in England going into the test series undercooked. The pitches in the test series were completely different to the pitches in the practise matches.

In the lead up to the England series,, Mushtaq was called up to the team and Woolmer/Inzi were musing about 'spinning pitches' every chance they got. England brought along Giles, Udal and Loudon in the hope that the pitches would help them but to no avail.

Now vs India, Pakistan set up a flat deck for the practise match after talking about fast pitches giving the impression that Pakistan would swerve the Indian team with a fast pitch at Lahore after the pancake in the practise match. But they double swerved India by making another pancake!!

Perhaps Pakistan didnt mind the draw in the first match and are aiming to pile the pressure on in the next two matches culminating with the coliseum and fortress which is Karachi by which point the Indians could be well and truly beaten mentally before the match even starts!

A win in the Lahore match must be treated as a bonus, I doubt even Woolmer and Inzi had any clue about what would unfold on the first two days!!
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Old 15th January 2006, 01:46
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Hmmm....everyone knew it was going to be flat. But I reckon India going in with 2 spinners wasn't the greatest move...
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Old 15th January 2006, 01:46
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Finally Pak is taking the meaning of Home Advantage seriously. I do consider it a ploy by BW to create all the hype about fast and bouncy green pitches and then giving a pyschological shock when the test begins.
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Old 15th January 2006, 01:52
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Hmmm....everyone knew it was going to be flat. But I reckon India going in with 2 spinners wasn't the greatest move...
Of course everyone knew... but did they?

Of course it was obvious.... but was it?

That's the whole point, they created enough doubt both times to get the other team onto the backfoot.

England responded to the talk of spinning pitches by taking 3 spinners and by talking up Giles last performance in Pak as though he was the next Qadir.

Indian fans/team may say they always knew it would be flat pitches but before the pitch was unveiled all the talk from the Indian side centred around how fast pitches would benefit India's seamers more than Paks pacers. Also there was constant reminders of how well Indians bat on fast pitches and how Pakistan would struggle more on fast pitches than the Indian batsmen would!

Dont let the false bravado 'after the event' fool you about the insecurity before the tour!!
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Old 15th January 2006, 01:56
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Must admit I am extremely disappointed with this pitch which would do pakistan roads and railways dept proud..
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Old 15th January 2006, 01:57
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And to create this doubt, the credit I suppose goes to BW......I'm not really sure what goes behind the scenes and who orders the types of pitches to be prepared. But considering BWs experience I think it was his stroke. A master stroke.
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Old 15th January 2006, 02:01
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well mecn lets wait till the match is over or at least till Pak bowl 100 overs on the same pitch first.

Faisalabad was a featherbed whilst Paksitan were batting and then Rana and Akhtar came on and made it 20 for 4.

The Lahore pitch wasnt a result pitch when Akmal and Yousuf were making hay against England but all of a sudden it changed overnight when the Pak bowlers got going.

India may be 65/0 but England were 100/0 before collapsing to 288 all out.

Granted that India have better batsmen than England but 670 runs is a huge weight on any shoulders!!
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Old 15th January 2006, 02:02
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well mecn lets wait till the match is over or at least till Pak bowl 100 overs on the same pitch first.

Faisalabad was a featherbed whilst Paksitan were batting and then Rana and Akhtar came on and made it 20 for 4.

The Lahore pitch wasnt a result pitch when Akmal and Yousuf were making hay against England but all of a sudden it changed overnight when the Pak bowlers got going.

India may be 65/0 but England were 100/0 before collapsing to 288 all out.

Granted that India have better batsmen than England but 670 runs is a huge weight on any shoulders!!
India's batting is much stronger than england
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Old 15th January 2006, 02:05
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i did mention that
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Old 15th January 2006, 02:33
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No matter how strong the indian batting is .. they have been bruised and battered in the field .. mentally dragged .. and to make 482, to avoid the follow on wont be as easy as it sounds on a flat bed ..
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Old 15th January 2006, 03:47
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Yeah merc I agree , I was just hedging my bets ..It better break up by end of today ;)
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Old 15th January 2006, 04:22
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Bob and Inzi had them fooled all right, but lets see what our bolwers can do now. Boy they will need to summon all their skills and energy to get something out of this pitch. But u know, the good thing is that our bowlers susally dont rely on the pitch and do nmost things in the air, or with their extra pace. they have way better skills than the indians. InshaAllah they will do something special and win it for us
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