London Olympics | Kashmiri activists launch awareness campaign

[akheR]

Jammu Kashmri Liberation Front (JKLF) will launch an awareness campaign “Torch of Peace” during the London Olympics 2012 to highlight the Human Rights violations committed in Kashmir. The campaigners will drive large advertising vehicles across London mainly near the Olympic event sites with large banners highlighting gross human rights violations taking place in Kashmir.

[Eagle_Eye]

Terrible idea. Will go down like a lead ballon.

[Gabbar Singh]

Some of the actions of the Indian state and it's agencies are and have been reprehensible when it's come to Kashmir however the 'freedom struggle' is a complete joke as is highlighted by campaigns like this . The only person with any sort of mass support in Kashmir is Geelani who is an octogenarian almost on his deathbed. The rest of the Hurriyat are so inept that they couldn't even organise a **** up in a brewery. Then we have the Pakistani establishment who seem to change their position on Kashmir every full moon.

It's no wonder the Indian state can run rings round the opposition. Their hold on Kashmir has actually strengthened over the past decade.

[KingKhanWC]

Anything to highlight the occupation of Kashmir is always a good thing.

[mithun_minhas]

Why include Jammu into this?

Isn't Jammu Hindu majority with Dogra Hindus dominating everything?

[akheR]

@Gabbar Singh : the real "face" of the movement is Yasin Malik, not Geelani. Ironically, despite being pro Pakistan, if he goes to AJK I'm sure he couldn't attract the number of peoples the pro independence Yasin Malik attracted when he was there some months ago (Muzzafarabad, Kotli, ... streets were full.)
I do believe that Geelani has a large mass support, especially amongst the most religious Kashmiris, but he has been somehow overhyped by the Indian media who at the end wants to show that the Kashmir freedom struggle is a Pak sponsored trojan.

@mithun_minhas: there are still tons of Muslims in Jammu, 30% as per the 2001 Indian census, and they used to be 2/3 before the ethnic cleansing in the hands of the Dogra Army (and "friends" from Patiala) in 1948, and yes, lots of the Jammu's Muslims aren't pro independence without being "patriotic Indians" either (the Gujjars, ...) but the Indian Army has extended its atrocities on Jammu's Muslims too, and in fact a large part of the Kashmiri refugees in Azad Kashmir are not from the Valley itself, but Pahari speakers from Jammu who, as I said, are not against India, but are becoming.

[Gabbar Singh]

He may be more popular on the Pakistani side but he certainly doesn't trump Geelani on the Indian side.

I disagree with them both as I don't want to see a change from the status quo however at least Geelani has been consistant over the years in that he has always wanted accession to Pakistan and will support violent methods to achieve this. Malik on the other hand has flip flopped on all the important issues numerous times that his credibility has gone through the floor - even his own party has split several times.

And as with all things, the proof is in the pudding. What have these leaders actually achieved in the last 10 years? They have let their people down and done the Indian state a massive favour.

[akheR]

Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh He may be more popular on the Pakistani side but he certainly doesn't trump Geelani on the Indian side. I disagree with them both as I don't want to see a change from the status quo however at least Geelani has been consistant over the years in that he has always wanted accession to Pakistan and will support violent methods to achieve this. Malik on the other hand has flip flopped on all the important issues numerous times that his credibility has gone through the floor - even his own party has split several times. And as with all things, the proof is in the pudding. What have these leaders actually achieved in the last 10 years? They have let their people down and done the Indian state a massive favour.

When he ever said he'd support violence ?
As for Malik, he just changed his stance once, when he renounced to the "jihad" angle, saying that violence wouldn't in fact bring them anywhere.
He was mainly criticized because he was one of those who advocated violent struggle, and yet he was abandoning it - tons accused him of being bribed by India... so JKLF indeed split into two, the other being led by Pakistan-based Amanullah Khan (who co founded it with Shaheed Maqbool Butt) but as of now, there are talks going on between Yasin Malik and the said Amanullah Khan to put JKLF under the same umbrella (the main objective of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference) for a common objective : freedom, and it's going good.

[withlovefrom vizag]

"Torch of Peace --- Support arresting 26/11 terrorists"

[akheR]

Originally Posted by withlovefrom vizag "Torch of Peace --- Support arresting 26/11 terrorists"

Indeed, and the main advertising-vehicle should be a train called "Samjhauta Express 2007", hopefully.

[withlovefrom vizag]

Our NIA arrested the guilty,but here we go a guy called Hafiz saeed is a leader in pakistan and no one even cares to investigate him

[akheR]

“Torch of Peace” (Kashmir Awareness Campaign during 2012 Olympic Games in London) has kicked off in London today. Print and electronic media was present at the launch of this month long campaign. Campaigners have started driving Vans with B
anners on them around the Olympic Venue’s & streets of London to highlight the Kashmir issue.

There are well over 20,000 world media personnel presnt in London to cover the olympic games. We hope this campaign will help the world to understand the Kashmir issue in its right perspective"

[jeetu]

The world doesn't care regarding Kashmir , never have never will.

[akheR]

Originally Posted by jeetu The world doesn't care regarding Kashmir , never have never will.

It will, dynamics have changed since the new media platforms, al Jazeera's doing a good job and you can already see in the e-world that few non South Asians know about the issue.

[freelance_cricketer]

I think it's nice that the people are doing this in a non-violent way. In that regard, i'd say well done people. If Kashmiris disassociate themselves from the violent jihadis out there who have been doing a lot of damage on both sides, then in future there is high possibility of a peaceful and progressive solution to Kashmir issue.

What's your take on that Akher bhai? Cannot expect India to cut down it's military presence in the valley when violence is being promoted from the other side which you one cannot reject as there is ample proof for that as well just like there is strong evidence against Indian army violating human rights.

[Senman]

All Indian members need to do is carry a banner what about Xinjiang , Baluchistan? right behind that van Pakistan establishment will end this in matter of minutes.

Seriously selective criticism is killing this movement.

[akheR]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer What's your take on that Akher bhai? Cannot expect India to cut down it's military presence in the valley when violence is being promoted from the other side which you one cannot reject as there is ample proof for that as well just like there is strong evidence against Indian army violating human right norms.

Total demilitarization of J&K and make the LOC more porous (for people to people contact, lots have families on either side) are the two conditions that every Kashmiri national party puts forward, even the "moderates" (pro Indian parties.)

Originally Posted by Senman All Indian members need to do is carry a banner what about Xinjiang , Baluchistan? Pakistan establishment will end this in matter of minutes.

Balochistan is Pakistan's internal matter, Kashmir is not your internal matter, as per the UN ("disputed territory") or even New Delhi's CM Omar Abdullah. Try harder.

[akheR]

Originally Posted by Senman Seriously selective criticism is killing this movement.

Which "selective criticism" ?

[Ambi]

Originally Posted by Senman All Indian members need to do is carry a banner what about Xinjiang , Baluchistan? right behind that van Pakistan establishment will end this in matter of minutes. Seriously selective criticism is killing this movement.

Senman,look at the human right abuses happening in so called azad kashmir.Update your list
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human...n_Azad_Kashmir

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by akheR Total demilitarization of J&K and make the LOC more porous (for people to people contact, lots have families on either side) are the two conditions that every Kashmiri national party puts forward, even the "moderates" (pro Indian parties.)

I think it would be wishful thinking on one's part to expect 'total demilitarization' of the valley. Given the threat that looms over the region, armies from both sides will always have a significant presence over there and it serves the right purpose as long as locals are not overly oppressed. The first step towards what we are wishing for is people sticking to a non violent approach, much like in the OP and then maintaining that convincing approach for a longer period of time. This i believe will help Kashmiris the most. This is what United Nations expected initially while it was working on a referendum only to be jeopardized by the militants.

[Senman]

Originally Posted by Ambi Senman,look at the human right abuses happening in so called azad kashmir.Update your list http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human...n_Azad_Kashmir

Lets see whether England allows this.

[Senman]

Originally Posted by akheR Balochistan is Pakistan's internal matter, Kashmir is not your internal matter, as per the UN ("disputed territory") or even New Delhi's CM Omar Abdullah[/URL]. Try harder.

Yes but for me its the people's aspiration which is more important.

[Senman]

Originally Posted by akheR Which "selective criticism" ?

All freedom struggle should be given equal importance so if tomorrow someone in Britain wants a Muslim land "Britishstan", it should be granted immediately otherwise this exercise is pointless. So along with with free Kashmir if the van carried Free Baluchistan , Free XinJiang, Free POK, it will be easier for us to support this movement.

[akheR]

Originally Posted by Ambi Senman,look at the human right abuses happening in so called azad kashmir.Update your list http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human...n_Azad_Kashmir

Yes, there are 100,000 killed and the same number of orphans in "PoK"...

[withlovefrom vizag]

Originally Posted by akheR Total demilitarization of J&K and make the LOC more porous (for people to people contact, lots have families on either side) are the two conditions that every Kashmiri national party puts forward, even the "moderates" (pro Indian parties.)

it will turn into hell if we demilitarize kashmir,terrorists enter India mainly through the kashmir route...

[Amar786]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer I think it would be wishful thinking on one's part to expect 'total demilitarization' of the valley. Given the threat that looms over the region, armies from both sides will always have a significant presence over there and it serves the right purpose as long as locals are not overly oppressed. The first step towards what we are wishing for is people sticking to a non violent approach, much like in the OP and then maintaining that convincing approach for a longer period of time. This i believe will help Kashmiris the most. This is what United Nations expected initially while it was working on a referendum only to be jeopardized by the militants.

Free lancer go to any body house in india and kill the family member i am sure they wont go violent.

Go to someone house in india and rape the women of the family i am sure no one will go violent.

After you kill innocent people and rape innocent women who the army knows aint terrioist then you claim you should stop violence i want to ask you the same question if someone was to kill your brother will you stay un violent or will you go for revenge and i want to ask you the same question if someone was raped in your family(god forbid) what will you do.

Not everbody picks up weapons on their will some are forced by your gov / army /agencies.

[freelance_cricketer]

Originally Posted by Amar786 Free lancer go to any body house in india and kill the family member i am sure they wont go violent. Go to someone house in india and rape the women of the family i am sure no one will go violent. After you kill innocent people and rape innocent women who the army knows aint terrioist then you claim you should stop violence i want to ask you the same question if someone was to kill your brother will you stay un violent or will you go for revenge and i want to ask you the same question if someone was raped in your family(god forbid) what will you do. Not everbody picks up weapons on their will some are forced by your gov / army /agencies.

You could have made your point without putting me in the action. Anyway i see your point bro. It is more driven by emotions i am afraid to say. If a person is victim of abuse, he's not supposed to do the same to others as per law. Crime for Crime does not justify your actions. If the Kashmiris were to stick to non-violence and brothers across border supported that in a political manner rather than supplying arms, the situation i believe would be far more conducive to a progressive solution.

This is the way forward if it is for the sake of Kashmiris.

[x2zee123]

Originally Posted by jeetu The world doesn't care regarding Kashmir , never have never will.

Thats why there are alot of terrorist in india to make the world care

[Amar786]

Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer You could have made your point without putting me in the action. Anyway i see your point bro. Sorry if you found it offensive It is more driven by emotions i am afraid to say. If a person is victim of abuse, he's not supposed to do the same to others as per law. When people who should be protectors of the country will do such things it who wont. Crime for Crime does not justify your actions. If the Kashmiris were to stick to non-violence and brothers across border supported that in a political manner rather than supplying arms, the situation i believe would be far more conducive to a progressive solution. This is the way forward if it is for the sake of Kashmiris.

Time has changes every intel agency this day and age has some sort of terror organisationb behind them.

pak supports let , jud , taliban etc
india in balochistan
america and nato and arab world in syria, libya etc
iran - hamas , hezbelloh
russia and china in afghanistan supporting taliban
mossad - i am sure i dont need to name anything

each one of them has and is currently supporting the groups i have named or may have some more but it shows you intel agency have a key role this day and age and it is not a one man organisation who can change the organisations way of dealing.

Non of the intel are under gov controls believe it or not do you think just ISI is not under gov controls nearly every intel is under no gov control their job is to protect the country under every circumstances let it be RAW , CIA or ISI

[freelance_cricketer]

^ That is very informative indeed. Thanks a lot.

[akheR]

The Indian media on the campaign:

Separatist group JKLF highlights Kashmir problem at Olympics

Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF),a separatist group from Jammu and Kashmir on Thursday exploited the 2012 Olympic Games venue in London to push its separatist agenda by displaying banners, highlighting alleged human rights abuses in Kashmir, around the venue. "The campaign will help the world to understand the Kashmir issue in its right perspective and also highlight the importance of respecting the peaceful and democratic struggle of Kashmiris," said JKLF chief Yasin Malik, spearheading the campaign, in Srinagar. The separatist group has termed the campaign 'Torch of Peace'. The JKLF plans to run the campaign for one month to attract the attention of hundreds of media outlets that has gathered at the venue to cover the games. As part of its campaign, JKLF activists on Thursday drove vans with banners on them around the Olympic venues and the streets of London. The vehicles were flashing hoardings, banners and photographs depicting alleged human rights abuses in Jammu and Kashmir. "The statistics about the martyred and disappeared person will travel throughout the Olympic valley highlighting the Kashmir issue and human rights violations being committed on the Kashmiri people by the Indian army and forces," said Malik, who seeks Jammu and Kashmir's independence from both India and Pakistan. Accusing India of ignoring transition of people of Kashmir from violent to non-violent means, Mailk said, "It was after persuasion of the world that Kashmiris transformed their struggle from violence to non-violence. In 2008 and 2010, our people started this positive change but India and the world failed to acknowledge and respect this positive change." The JKLF chief claimed the Olympic campaign has been launched to highlight the importance of peaceful struggle in Kashmir. "The world community should support their cause for a peaceful resolution of this long lasting dispute, which continues to remain a threat to the pace, stability and welfare of the sub-continent and the rest of the world," he said. This is a rare move by separatists to start a public campaign at foreign shores to attract global attention.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-...e1-907148.aspx



The JKLF is now seriously thinking about doing these kind of "international" campaigns.