This is how Test cricket can be saved

[crikket fan]

Just look at this recent match scorecard...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/en...ch/542596.html


We complain about rain and flat tracks for the reason of loss of interest in test matches...
But reality is that its defensive captains like Misbah,Dhoni, Jayawardene and also all the captains of international team which is making test cricket dull.
Even two full day is enough for result if captain wants....

i miss attacking captain like IMRAN KHAN and RICKY POINTING,WHO NEVER FEARED LOSS AND OFTEN MADE BOLD DECLARATION AND ALL THE TIME WON THE MATCHES ALSO


Essex v Hampshire

Hampshire 1st innings - 323
Essex 1st innings - 18 DECLARED
Hampshire 2nd innings - 54 DECLARED
Essex 2nd innings- 357

RESULT-HAMPSHIRE WON BY 2 RUNS.

[Itachi]

Ok. Good for you. Though, I am satisfied with the "boring tests".

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by crikket fan Essex v Hampshire Hampshire 1st innings - 323 Essex 1st innings - 18 DECLARED Hampshire 2nd innings - 54 DECLARED Essex 2nd innings- 357 RESULT-HAMPSHIRE WON BY 2 RUNS.

Why on earth did they declare on 18 when the opposing team has 323 runs on board? I mean....what on earth could have possibly happened?

[withlovefrom vizag]

bhajji scored 40

And talkin abt your 'attacking' captains,you need to have good bowlers to be attacking!

If you give captaincy to ponting now,he'll not be attacking coz he no longer has those good bowlers

[truthseer]

I believe this was done to ensure qualification. By the way, in hindsight, it is not brave or attacking, it is foolish

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by crikket fan Essex v Hampshire Hampshire 1st innings - 323 Essex 1st innings - 18 DECLARED Hampshire 2nd innings - 54 DECLARED Essex 2nd innings- 357 RESULT-HAMPSHIRE WON BY 2 RUNS.

Why would teams declare when their scores are 18 and 54..

[Markhor]

Day 3 Report from Cricinfo.

Essex 18 for 0 dec and 102 for 2 (Godleman 37*) need a further 258 runs to beat Kent 323 (McKenzie 139) and 54 for 0 dec Scorecard On a day of two declarations, Essex and Hampshire were locked in an intriguing struggle for victory in their Championship match at Chelmsford. Faced with a target of 360, Essex will go into the final day needing a further 258 for victory, with Billy Godleman seeking to add to his 37 that has so far spanned three hours. Following a complete wash-out on the second day, Hampshire lost their remaining wickets for 20 runs after resuming on 303 for 6. Neil McKenzie added just five more runs to his overnight 134 before he was caught behind pushing forward against David Masters. Graham Napier claimed two of the other wickets to finish with 4 for 62 and leave India spinner Harbhajan Singh to bring the Hampshire innings to an end by having Danny Briggs caught in the covers. It was Harbhajan's first success for the county, coming in his 44th over since he joined them. Essex openers Godleman and Jaik Mickleburgh then crawled to 18 in as many overs before lunch, at which point the declaration came with the home side still 305 runs adrift. Obviously captains Mark Pettini and Jimmy Adams had agreed upon a target that Essex would be set and Hampshire declared their second innings after openers McKenzie and Adams had reached 54 in the 15th over. That left Essex four and a half sessions to try and claim only their second victory of the summer in the competition but they were to lose Mickleburgh with the total on 25 when he was bowled by James Tomlinson attempting to turn the ball to leg. While Godleman continued to drop anchor, Tom Westley struck an entertaining 26 before being removed lbw by David Balcombe with Essex still 300 runs short of their target but that was to prove Hampshire's last success. The rock-like figure of Godleman has so far faced 141 deliveries and will resume his partnership with Pettini as Essex go in quest of a further 258 runs for victory. The pair have so far put on 42 in 24 overs and while the home side still face a huge task to achieve their objective, the placid nature of the pitch gives them hope of a victory which seemed remote at the start of the day.

[LegCutter]

So basically the OP's example is a fail as it had nothing to do with winning the match?

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by LegCutter So basically the OP's example is a fail as it had nothing to do with winning the match?

It had to do with both teams wanting a result, not one wanting to win or both wanting to win

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by LegCutter So basically the OP's example is a fail as it had nothing to do with winning the match?

OP wants results only. Baaki sab throw out of the window!

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by LegCutter So basically the OP's example is a fail as it had nothing to do with winning the match?

then what they wanted if they didnt wanted to win????????

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by truthseer I believe this was done to ensure qualification. By the way, in hindsight, it is not brave or attacking, it is foolish

yes to ensure qualification by winning the match..

ISN'T this we all want is test matches....A RESULT....

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by legcutter why on earth did they declare on 18 when the opposing team has 323 runs on board? I mean....what on earth could have possibly happened?

result

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by Markhor Day 3 Report from Cricinfo.

Obviously it was planned,but this is all we need in test matches...
we dont want dull draws........

just think of every one who watched this match...it would have been a amazing nailbiting finish where a team won by 2 runs...
when we saw this type of test match in our international stage..

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by Itachi OP wants results only. Baaki sab throw out of the window!

and what u want...
a dull draw where even umpires sleeps in the field???????????

[Marshland]

So you want international teams to declare when they have just a handful on the board? What a reckless idea. Test cricket is fantastic as it is, just leave it alone. I enjoy today's test matches much more than those of five years ago.

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by Itachi OP wants results only. Baaki sab throw out of the window!

But u seems to be pretty happy with draws and fear of loss even when there is no chance of losing....
And Mr Dhoni is the best example of this.....
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin...ch/489228.html

if u dont have guts,u dont deserve to play cricket....

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by Marshland So you want international teams to declare when they have just a handful on the board? What a reckless idea. Test cricket is fantastic as it is, just leave it alone. I enjoy today's test matches much more than those of five years ago.

I REMEMBER A TEST MATCH WHERE ENGLAND AND SOUTH AFRICA SKIPPED ONE INNINGS EACH FOR POSSIBILITY OF RESULT...

Dont even think that captains like Dhoni and Misbah will even think like this,leave alone doing this...

[Marshland]

Originally Posted by crikket fan I REMEMBER A TEST MATCH WHERE ENGLAND AND SOUTH AFRICA SKIPPED ONE INNINGS EACH FOR POSSIBILITY OF RESULT...

Was that the one were Cronje effectively rolled over for some quick cash, as admitted later on?

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by Marshland Was that the one were Cronje effectively rolled over for some quick cash, as admitted later on?

no....
it was smith and strauss if i am correct....

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by crikket fan yes to ensure qualification by winning the match.. ISN'T this we all want is test matches....A RESULT....

Draws can be exciting too. The giving up of the game before the last hour should be left to the umpires. If it's deemed possible, let it happen. If it's ridiculous, don't let it happen

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by truthseer Draws can be exciting too. The giving up of the game before the last hour should be left to the umpires. If it's deemed possible, let it happen. If it's ridiculous, don't let it happen

yes a entertaining draw is also good...
but suppose that first 2 days of test match is washed,then whats the reason of this type of draw:-
TEAM A-550/6(Misbag-120 of 400 balls)
TEAM B- 490/10(Dravid- 60 of 500 balls)
TEAM A- 150/2.....TEST DRAW

I WILL PREFER-
TEAM A-300/5 D
TEAM B- 350/7 D
TEAM A- 385/5 D
TEAM B- 200/5
Even it will be a draw but viewers will have something to look for.....

[truthseer]

Firstly, as slow as Misbah and Dravid are, they are still much quicker than the rates you are suggesting. Dravid would never have a strike rate of 12 and neither would Misbah have a strike rate of just 30 over an entire innings.
And no, a team must look to win, but not to be so reckless that it loses

[Marshland]

Originally Posted by crikket fan no.... it was smith and strauss if i am correct....

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63864.html

Cronje and Hussain.

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by marshland http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63864.html cronje and hussain.

thanks bro................

[Anfield]

Test cricket is fine. As someone pointed out you can't attack if you are playing on flat wickets and you don't have very good bowlers. Ponting wasn't an attacking captain..

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by crikket fan thanks bro................

Press Article Index. See that Cronje only did this because he was getting a jacket and 50000 rand

[praveen]

Originally Posted by Marshland http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63864.html Cronje and Hussain.

Did they forfeit because of fixing?

I followed this match and had the highest regards for both captains wanting a result.

Nice find OP, admirable and brave declaration by both teams.Although we have to say the stakes weren't that high.

[Marshland]

Originally Posted by praveen Did they forfeit because of fixing? I followed this match and had the highest regards for both captains wanting a result. Nice find OP, admirable and brave declaration by both teams.Although we have to say the stakes weren't that high.

A test match is a test match - stakes are always high.

And yes, Cronje fixed it. As told to the King commission later on in 2000. The whole cricketing audience was taken for a ride, in the meantime.

Kallis and Boucher were apparently gutted in the dressing room when Hussain went inside to thank them after the game.

[LastLaugh_PK]

Originally Posted by truthseer Draws can be exciting too. The giving up of the game before the last hour should be left to the umpires. If it's deemed possible, let it happen. If it's ridiculous, don't let it happen

Yea some of the best test have been draws.. Or teams playing for a draw

I remember India was playing for a draw and Pak had to take the last wicket.. I think Kaneria managed to get in the second last over of the last day..

Another example was when SA were playing out time and Aussies were looking for a win.. Smith with an injured hand had to come bat because he was the last man left.. he managed to fight quite valiantly.. but lost his wicket with just 11 balls to go in the final day..

Test cricket is awesome as it is.. only thing we don't need are flat pitches the kinds of which are witnessed in Lanka and India

[praveen]

Originally Posted by Marshland A test match is a test match - stakes are always high. And yes, Cronje fixed it. As told to the King commission later on in 2000. The whole cricketing audience was taken for a ride, in the meantime. Kallis and Boucher were apparently gutted in the dressing room when Hussain went inside to thank them after the game.

Sucks to hear that.
BTW i meant the stakes for division two english county game.

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by LastLaugh_PK Yea some of the best test have been draws.. Or teams playing for a draw I remember India was playing for a draw and Pak had to take the last wicket.. I think Kaneria managed to get in the second last over of the last day.. Another example was when SA were playing out time and Aussies were looking for a win.. Smith with an injured hand had to come bat because he was the last man left.. he managed to fight quite valiantly.. but lost his wicket with just 11 balls to go in the final day.. Test cricket is awesome as it is.. only thing we don't need are flat pitches the kinds of which are witnessed in Lanka and India

add to list adnan akmal in last test...

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by Anfield Test cricket is fine. As someone pointed out you can't attack if you are playing on flat wickets and you don't have very good bowlers. Ponting wasn't an attacking captain..

pointing wasnt a attacking captain??????????
then who is.....dravid,misbah,dhoni??????????????????

[UmarMalik]

Even though I like seeing results in Test cricket, but this is pretty stupid of both captains actually.. You're declaring after only playing 18 overs in your first inning.. lol.. Even worst, only 18 runs were scored in that 18 overs.. You kidding me? LOL

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by UmarMalik Even though I like seeing results in Test cricket, but this is pretty stupid of both captains actually.. You're declaring after only playing 18 overs in your first inning.. lol.. Even worst, only 18 runs were scored in that 18 overs.. You kidding me? LOL

yes a entertaining draw is also good...
but suppose that first 2 days of test match is washed,then whats the reason of this type of draw:-
TEAM A-550/6(Misbah-120 of 400 balls)
TEAM B- 490/10(Dravid- 60 of 500 balls)
TEAM A- 150/2.....TEST DRAW

I WILL PREFER-
TEAM A-300/5 D
TEAM B- 350/7 D
TEAM A- 385/5 D
TEAM B- 200/5
Even it will be a draw but viewers will have something to look for.....

[withlovefrom vizag]

Originally Posted by crikket fan But u seems to be pretty happy with draws and fear of loss even when there is no chance of losing.... And Mr Dhoni is the best example of this..... http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engin...ch/489228.html if u dont have guts,u dont deserve to play cricket....

thats interesting

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by withlovefrom vizag thats interesting

What made it intresting is that india needed 180 in 47 overs....
but Mr Dhoni with the help of great Mr Dravid decided to shake hands when they needed 86 of 90 balls.....

[UmarMalik]

Originally Posted by crikket fan What made it intresting is that india needed 180 in 47 overs.... but Mr Dhoni with the help of great Mr Dravid decided to shake hands when they needed 86 of 90 balls.....

Honestly, Dravid and Laxman always played test cricket for draws.. Even when they only needed 20 runs from 50 overs.. They would bat 40 overs and eventually find out that they've won the test for the side

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by UmarMalik Honestly, Dravid and Laxman always played test cricket for draws.. Even when they only needed 20 runs from 50 overs.. They would bat 40 overs and eventually find out that they've won the test for the side

Cant say about Laxman...
But Dravid is a great no doubt,but he is the reason that many people lost interest in test matches......

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by UmarMalik Honestly, Dravid and Laxman always played test cricket for draws.. Even when they only needed 20 runs from 50 overs.. They would bat 40 overs and eventually find out that they've won the test for the side

The level of fail in this post can not be explained in words when it is realised that they have won more test matches for their team than Pakistan have won in the last 5 years (Despite our recent good run)

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by truthseer The level of fail in this post can not be explained in words when it is realised that they have won more test matches for their team than Pakistan have won in the last 5 years (Despite our recent good run)

Dravid wins matches no doubt.......he plays plays and plays till the time everyone sleeps..
And we are talking about makin test matches intresting...

[lala_Kirkit]

this is match fixing at itssss best.... lol who in the right mind wud declare 300odd runs behind in the first innings lol im sure the skippper was dying for a result soo he got one lol some ppl are soo naive

[Marshland]

Originally Posted by crikket fan But Dravid is a great no doubt,but he is the reason that many people lost interest in test matches......

lolwhut?

[DeadlyVenom]

Its an interesting point. Are tests played for the spectators or for cricketing pride and bragging rights?

If they are played for the spectator then good on these captains for setting an example.

If its played for w/l ratio, rankings etc then its a bad move as a draw is > than losing.

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by crikket fan Dravid wins matches no doubt.......he plays plays and plays till the time everyone sleeps.. And we are talking about makin test matches intresting...

Winning is what counts, not how you do it. Personally, I find Dravid a highly stylish player, easy on the eyes, a treat to watch

[Anfield]

Originally Posted by crikket fan pointing wasnt a attacking captain?????????? then who is.....dravid,misbah,dhoni??????????????????

No he wasn't. He was quite timid with his filed placings from 2006-07 onwards when Mcgrath and Warne retired.

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by truthseer Winning is what counts, not how you do it. Personally, I find Dravid a highly stylish player, easy on the eyes, a treat to watch

only if you dont fell sleeping watching him bat in tests..

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by Anfield No he wasn't. He was quite timid with his filed placings from 2006-07 onwards when Mcgrath and Warne retired.

ok so can u name any so called attacking captain???

i am sure Dravid will be at the top of your list followed by Misbah....

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom Its an interesting point. Are tests played for the spectators or for cricketing pride and bragging rights? If they are played for the spectator then good on these captains for setting an example. If its played for w/l ratio, rankings etc then its a bad move as a draw is > than losing.

of course test matches is for pride..
but there is no pride in playing 3 days of dull cricket without any hope of result...

even if u loss in playing good cricket,its not shameful..

PRIDE ALWAYS BELONGS TO ONE WHO FIGHTS WITH PASSION AND COURAGE(EVEN IF HE DIES IN FIGHT)....

[Ironcat]

@OP: Imran had a higher draw percentage in his captaincy career than, say, Misbah. Draws are bad when you know there will be a draw two days into a test. That has to do with the pitch not the captaincy.

[Anfield]

Originally Posted by crikket fan ok so can u name any so called attacking captain??? i am sure Dravid will be at the top of your list followed by Misbah....

first define the term "attacking captain"

[LegCutter]

Originally Posted by Anfield first define what the term "attacking captain"

He means someone who 'bravely' declares after scoring 18 runs when the opposition has 350+ runs, then goes on to lose the match.

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by LegCutter He means someone who 'bravely' declares after scoring 18 runs when the opposition has 350+ runs, then goes on to lose the match.

Its better to loose by 2 runs then not to chase 180 runs in 47 overs.........

[Ironcat]

Originally Posted by crikket fan Its better to loose by 2 runs then not to chase 180 runs in 47 overs.........

= "It's better to speed at 160 KPH, get pulled over, and never make it to your appointment than to give the person a call and reschedule it for next time."

[withlovefrom vizag]

Originally Posted by crikket fan Dravid wins matches no doubt.......he plays plays and plays till the time everyone sleeps.. And we are talking about makin test matches intresting...

You feel tests are boring and you have no interest in Test matches,Why dont u say it clear and straight ???

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by Ironcat = "It's better to speed at 160 KPH, get pulled over, and never make it to your appointment than to give the person a call and reschedule it for next time."

=not play dull draws and make viewers sleep but buy a bowling machine and keep on defending all the balls that comes your way all the day long and keep test cricket alive in your heart....

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by withlovefrom vizag You feel tests are boring and you have no interest in Test matches,Why dont u say it clear and straight ???

leave me...but no one in the world is intrested in dull draws...unless u are wife of dravid.....

[withlovefrom vizag]

Many guys use the word troll way too often on PP,but you are the real definition to Troll poster

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by withlovefrom vizag Many guys use the word troll way too often on PP,but you are the real definition to Troll poster

may be i am a attacking guy like Imran khan..

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by crikket fan may be i am a attacking guy like Imran khan..

Ik has a greater draw percentage than the seemingly more defensive, Misbah.

[Ayyubjavvs]

crikket fan is scoring 18 runs in 18 overs and randomly declaring your idea of attack?

By the way that SA + England test in 2000 was fixed by cronje

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by truthseer Ik has a greater draw percentage than the seemingly more defensive, Misbah.

May be,dont know,never watched him play..

but he was the one who defined the word ATTACK in pakistan cricket....

[Ayyubjavvs]

Jayawardene is a very attacking capn and Ponting very defensive

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by Ayyubjavvs Jayawardene is a very attacking capn and Ponting very defensive

he showed in 2nd one day when india were 5 down for nothing,and jayawardhane spread field for gambhir and pathan....

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by crikket fan May be,dont know,never watched him play.. but he was the one who defined the word ATTACK in pakistan cricket....

This post just about makes fun of itself. Come on, you never watched Imran play and you call him attacking, without any proof whatsoever? He was attacking but that was his style of play, not his test captaincy. He was an extremely attacking one day captain. However, from my experience, he was just slightly more attacking than Misbah in tests. No offence to his fans, he was a great captain.

[withlovefrom vizag]

Originally Posted by crikket fan May be,dont know,never watched him play.. but he was the one who defined the word ATTACK in pakistan cricket....

then on what basis you're calling him an attacking captain.
It seems like you're obsessed with Imran

[Ismailtoca]

Thats a horrible example of "attacking cricket". They took 18 overs to make a flipping 18 runs before declaration.

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by truthseer this post just about makes fun of itself. Come on, you never watched imran play and you call him attacking, without any proof whatsoever? He was attacking but that was his style of play, not his test captaincy. He was an extremely attacking one day captain. However, from my experience, he was just slightly more attacking than misbah in tests. No offence to his fans, he was a great captain.

Originally Posted by withlovefrom vizag then on what basis you're calling him an attacking captain. It seems like you're obsessed with imran

we dont need to see don bradman batting live to know that he was a good batsman....
And from your view,if you havnt watched shane warne or brian lara,then you will not believe they were greats of game..

In future ,world will not believe that sachin,inzamam,pointing were greats if they havnt watched them playing...

this is the most funny reply i ever saw on pp from both of you

whole world know imran khan was the one who changed the face of pakistan cricket..

[truthseer]

Originally Posted by crikket fan we dont need to see don bradman batting live to know that he was a good batsman.... And from your view,if you havnt watched shane warne or brian lara,then you will not believe they were greats of game.. In future ,world will not believe that sachin,inzamam,pointing were greats if they havnt watched them playing... this is the most funny reply i ever saw on pp from both of you whole world know imran khan was the one who changed the face of pakistan cricket..

He changed the face of our LOI cricket. We were still defensive in tests. I think I showed 3 example of IK not going for it when it was possible in a situation, similar to Misbah and Dhoni's.

Also, are you by any chance a PTI fan? (Then I'll stop arguing, no point)

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by truthseer he changed the face of our loi cricket. We were still defensive in tests. I think i showed 3 example of ik not going for it when it was possible in a situation, similar to misbah and dhoni's. Also, are you by any chance a pti fan? (then i'll stop arguing, no point)

pti means??

[truthseer]

Tehrik-e-Insaaf

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by truthseer tehrik-e-insaaf

no.......

[Liverpool_Faizan]

U need good bowlers to win test matches.

There are maybe 3 world class bowlers left in world cricket.

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by Liverpool_Faizan U need good bowlers to win test matches. There are maybe 3 world class bowlers left in world cricket.

STEYN ,AJMAL and ???

[VTEC]

Never watched Imran Khan play and claiming he was an attacking Captain

What the Fudge?

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by VTEC Never watched Imran Khan play and claiming he was an attacking Captain What the Fudge?

we dont need to see don bradman batting live to know that he was a good batsman....
And from your view,if you havnt watched shane warne or brian lara,then you will not believe they were greats of game..

In future ,world will not believe that sachin,inzamam,pointing were greats if they havnt watched them playing...

this is the most funny reply i ever saw on pp from both of you

whole world know imran khan was the one who changed the face of pakistan cricket..

[VTEC]

Originally Posted by crikket fan we dont need to see don bradman batting live to know that he was a good batsman.... And from your view,if you havnt watched shane warne or brian lara,then you will not believe they were greats of game.. In future ,world will not believe that sachin,inzamam,pointing were greats if they havnt watched them playing... this is the most funny reply i ever saw on pp from both of you whole world know imran khan was the one who changed the face of pakistan cricket..

Alrite bring out Imran Khan's Wins vs Draws Ratio and compare it to the current international Captains

No one is denying Imran Khan didnt change the face of pakistan cricket
What we are denying is Imran Khan would never declare at 18

There is a clear difference between playing aggressively and sheer stupidity

[VTEC]

and LOL at Copy/Paste Reply

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by crikket fan we dont need to see don bradman batting live to know that he was a good batsman.... And from your view,if you havnt watched shane warne or brian lara,then you will not believe they were greats of game.. In future ,world will not believe that sachin,inzamam,pointing were greats if they havnt watched them playing... This is the most funny reply i ever saw on pp from both of you whole world know imran khan was the one who changed the face of pakistan cricket..

Originally Posted by vtec never watched imran khan play and claiming he was an attacking captain what the fudge?

Originally Posted by vtec alrite bring out imran khan's wins vs draws ratio and compare it to the current international captains no one is denying imran khan didnt change the face of pakistan cricket what we are denying is imran khan would never declare at 18 there is a clear difference between playing aggressively and sheer stupidity

it was just a example...no one is saying to declare at 18 runs..
All i want to say is a little courage and aggression from captains can save test matches..

[crikket fan]

Originally Posted by VTEC and LOL at Copy/Paste Reply

Both were written by me...lol
i didnt have courage to type all again...
hope u will understand.....