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List of Players for BPL 2013 / Auction News Updates
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CATEGORY GOLDEN SL NAME COUNTRY 1 SHAHID AFRIDI PAKISTAN 2 SAEED AJMAL PAKISTAN 3 IMRAN NAZIR PAKISTAN 4 LUKE WRIGHT ENGLAND 5 OWAIS SHAH ENGLAND 6 DIMITRI MASCARENHAS ENGLAND 7 TINO BEST WEST INDIES 8 SUNIL NARAINE WEST INDIES 9 DWAYNE BRAVO WEST INDIES 10 KEIRON POLLARD WEST INDIES 11 ANDRE RUSSEL WEST INDIES 12 FIDEL EDWARDS WEST INDIES 13 ALPHANSO THOMAS SOUTH AFRICA 14 SHAUN TAIT AUSTRALIA 15 DIRK NANNES AUSTRALIA 16 BRAD HODGE AUSTRALIA CATEGORY A SL NAME COUNTRY 1 UMAR GUL PAKISTAN 2 ABDUL RAZZAQ PAKISTAN 3 WAHAB RIAZ PAKISTAN 4 MOHAMMAD SAMI PAKISTAN 5 KAMRAN AKMAL PAKISTAN 6 UMAR AKMAL PAKISTAN 7 AZHAR MAHMOOD ENGLAND 8 RAVI BOPARA ENGLAND 9 MICHEAL LUMB ENGLAND 10 PHIL MUSTARD ENGLAND 11 DWAYNE SMITH WEST INDIES 12 SHIVNARINE CHANDERPAUL WEST INDIES CATEGORY B SL NAME COUNTRY 1 FAWAD ALAM PAKISTAN 2 KHURRAM MANZOOR PAKISTAN 3 AWAIS ZIA PAKISTAN 4 AZEEM GHUMMAN PAKISTAN 5 SHAHZAIB HASAN PAKISTAN 6 UMAR AMIN PAKISTAN 7 ASAD ALI PAKISTAN 8 ZULFIQAR BABER PAKISTAN 9 JOSHUA COBB ENGLAND 10 JASON ROY ENGLAND 11 JAMES TAYLOR ENGLAND 12 CHRIS LIDDLE ENGLAND 13 ALEX HALES ENGLAND 14 RIKI CLARKE ENGLAND 15 DARREN IAN STEVENS ENGLAND 16 BRENDON NASH WEST INDIES 17 KEVON COOPER WEST INDIES 18 SAMUEL BADRE WEST INDIES 19 RICARDO POWELL WEST INDIES 20 KIRK EDWARDS WEST INDIES 21 ASHLEY NURSE WEST INDIES 22 DANZA HYATT WEST INDIES 23 ASSAD FUDADIN WEST INDIES 24 KEVIN O BRIEN IRELAND 25 NIAL O BRIEN IRELAND 26 HAMILTON MASAKADZA ZIMBABWE 27 BRENDAN TAYLOR ZIMBABWE CATEGORY C SL NAME COUNTRY 1 ANDY CARTER ENGLAND 2 SAJID MAHMOOD ENGLAND 3 TIM GROENWALD ENGLAND 4 KABIR ALI ENGLAND 5 ED YOUNG ENGLAND 6 BILAL SHAFAYAT ENGLAND 7 RIKKI WESSELS ENGLAND 8 KYLE COETZER ENGLAND 9 MAJID HAQ ENGLAND 10 USMAN AFZAL ENGLAND 11 NAVED ARIF PAKISTAN 12 JACK SHANTRY ENGLAND 13 SHELDON COTTERRELL WEST INDIES 14 COREY COLLYMORE WEST INDIES 15 XAVIER MARSHALL WEST INDIES 16 AKEAL HOSEIN WEST INDIES 17 TONITO WILLET WEST INDIES 18 SULIEMAN BENN WEST INDIES 19 RAYAD EMRIT WEST INDIES 20 ANDRY FLETCHER WEST INDIES 21 CHESNEY HUGHES WEST INDIES 22 SHAHID YOUSUF PAKISTAN 23 HARISH SOHAIL PAKISTAN 24 SHARJEEL KHAN PAKISTAN 25 BABAR AZAM PAKISTAN 26 ANWAR ALI PAKISTAN 27 ZOHAIB KHAN PAKISTAN 28 BILAWAL BHATTI PAKISTAN 29 MOHAMMAD KHALIL PAKISTAN 30 ASAD SHAFIQ PAKISTAN 31 HAMMAD AZAM PAKISTAN 32 KAMRAN SHAHZAID PAKISTAN 33 ANOOP RAVI PAKISTAN 34 IFTIKHAR ANJUM PAKISTAN 35 SARFRAZ AHMED PAKISTAN 36 ADNAN RAJAK PAKISTAN 37 MOHAMMAD IRSHAD PAKISTAN 38 KHALID LATIF PAKISTAN 39 SOHAIL AHMED PAKISTAN 40 JUNAID ZIA PAKISTAN 41 MANSOOR AMJAD PAKISTAN 42 RAZA ALI DAR PAKISTAN 43 SHOAIB KHAN PAKISTAN 44 REHAN RIAZ PAKISTAN 45 ASIF RAZA PAKISTAN 46 RAHAT ALI PAKISTAN 47 MOHAMMAD SALMAN PAKISTAN 48 SAMIULLAH KHAN PAKISTAN 49 SHAKIEEL ANSAR PAKISTAN 50 KAMRAN YOUNIS PAKISTAN 51 ALI KHAN PAKISTAN 52 ADEEL MALIK PAKISTAN 53 SAEED ANWAR (JR) PAKISTAN 54 BABAR NAEEM PAKISTAN 55 MICHAEL SWART AUSTRALIA 56 SHANE HARWOON AUSTRALIA 57 LEE CARSELDINE AUSTRALIA 58 CAMERON BORGAS AUSTRALIA 59 CHARLES PEITERSON SOUTH AFRICA 60 MICHEAL SMITH SOUTH AFRICA 61 NEIL CARTER SOUTH AFRICA 62 PRESTON MOMMSEN SCOTLAND 63 CALUM MACLEOD SCOTLAND 64 ALEXEI KERVEZEE NETHERLAND 65 STEPHAN MYBURH NETHERLAND 66 MUDDASAR BUKHARI NETHERLAND 67 MALINGA BANDARA SRILANKA 68 IRFAN AHMED HONKONG 69 CHARLES COVENTRY ZIMBABWE 70 CRAIG ERVINE ZIMBABWE 71 MALCOM WALLER ZIMBABWE 72 VUSI SIBANDA ZIMBABWE 73 ELTON CHIGUMBURA ZIMBABWE 74 PROSPER UTSEYA ZIMBABWE 75 GARY BALANCE ZIMBABWE 76 CAMERON MERCHANT NEWZEALAND 77 GARY WILSON IRELAND 78 PAUL STIRLING IRELAND 79 RIZWAN CHEEMA CANADA Local CATEGORY GOLDEN (LOCAL) SL Name 1 Tamim Iqbal 2 Mahmud Ullah 3 Shakib Al Hasan 4 Mushfiqur Rahim CATEGORY A (LOCAL) SL Name 1 Mohammad Ashraful 2 Anamul Haque 3 Nasir Hossain 4 Shohag Gazi 5 Ziaur Rahman 6 Masrafe Bin Mortaza 7 Abdur Razzak CATEGORY B (LOCAL) SL Name 1 Nazim Uddin 2 Jahurul Islam 3 Shahriar Nafees 4 Zunaed Siddique 5 Imrul Kayes 6 Mominul Haque 7 Alok Kopali 8 Farhad Reza 9 Naeem Islam 10 Shahadat Hossain 11 Rubel Hossain 12 Shafiul Islam 13 Abul Hasan 14 Nazmul Hossain 14 Mohammad Elias 15 Arafat Sunny 16 Mosharraf Hossain 17 Enamul Haque (Jr.) CATEGORY C (LOCAL) SL Name 1 Rony Talukder 2 Nafees Iqbal 3 Imtiaz Hossain 4 Mysukur Rahman 5 Abdul Majid 6 Fazle Rabbi Mahmud 7 Mijanur Rahman 8 Avishek Mitra 9 Mahbubul Karim 10 Mehedi Maruf 11 Amit Majumder 12 Nasir Uddin Faruque 13 Nazmus Sadat 14 Shuvagata Hom 15 Roqibul Hasan 16 Tushar Imran 17 Nadif Chowdhury 18 Nazmul Hossain Milon 19 Farhad Hossain 20 Shabbir Rahman 21 Asif Ahmed 22 Rajin Saleh 23 Aftab Ahmed 24 Shamsur Rahman 25 Marshal Ayub 26 Abul Bashar 27 Ejaj Ahmed 28 Iftekar Nayeem 29 Tasamul Haque 30 Jubayer Ahmed 31 Tarik Ahmed 32 Jupiter Ghosh 33 Rassal Al-Mamun 34 Mehrab Hossain (Jr.) 35 Faisal Hossain 36 Saikat Ali 37 Alauddin Babu 38 Arafat Salauddin 39 Soumya Sarkar 40 Ariful Haq 41 Sharifullah 42 Mahmudul Hasan 43 Fariduddin Masud 44 Taposh Ghosh 45 Tanvir Haider 46 Md. Mithun 47 Liton Das 48 Shahagir Hossain 49 Quazi Nurul Hasan 50 Arman Hossain 51 Dhiman Ghosh 52 Rabiul Islam 53 Muktar Ali 54 Al-Amin 55 Mahabubul Alam 56 Dollar Mahmud 57 Md Sharif 58 Delwar Hossain 59 Tareq Aziz 60 Taposh Baishya 61 Shuvashish Roy 62 Monwer Hossain 63 Kamrul Islam Rabbi 64 Dewan Sabbir 65 Taskin Ahmed 66 Arman Badsha 67 Talha Jubaer 68 Abu Jayed 69 Rubiayat Haq 70 Sajedul Islam 71 Kazi Kamrul Islam 72 Syed Rasel 73 Md Shorawordi 74 Nazmul Hossain Opu 75 Saqlain Sajib 76 Sanjamul Islam 77 Nabil Samad 78 Shaker Ahmed 79 Bishonath Halder 80 Saju Datta 81 Monir Hossain 82 Murad Khan 83 Rejaul Karim Rajib 84 Amit Kumar 85 Nur Hossain
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looks like our whole doemstic setup is playing or being auctioned here..so much for the bangladeshi public not wanting pakistani players!!
realistically we really need to stop playing these leagues!!
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Ofcourse things will change if Bangladesh refuse to tour Pakistan ![]() Its a shame thatGuls form has declined so drastically lately that he is no longer considered in the top category - mean while I see Bangladesh still remember what Imran Nazir did to them in the T20 World Cup
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No Ahmed Shehzad and Jamshed who were the most successful batsmen in the last season with one of them finishing with the top run scorer?
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Surprised aswell; Shehzad was the most succesful batsman by a mile.
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You know it's bad when a guy like Alfonso Thomas is listed as a Golden player.
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No shehzad.
If Haris, Ali and zulfiqar do good against India will their category increase ![]() Imran nazir in golden i guess yeah you would have a domestic bully in Golden. |
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I thnk Srilankan players could have been involved easily. But shame that they arent because many of their players will be free during that period not to mention BD did their part and sent their players to make SLPL better, though himself was unfit for the league
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Misbah-ul-Haq and Mohammad Hafeez's exclusion is justified, but wonder why Shoaib Malik and Ahmed Shehzad are not amongst the names.
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Same for Nasir Jamshed. Can't find the reason of his exclusion!
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Ahmed Shehzad and Nasir Jamshed were the top performers last season by a proverbial mile.
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Have to agree that a lot of players have turned to play BPL 2013 and few more will join once the BBL ends and BPL is halfway through. But, they could have much better players had they been smart and paid the players early.
But one can seriously question the category system when someone like Tino best, Fidel Edwards and Dimitri mascarenhas gets a "Golden Contract" when players like Brendan Taylor are in the B category
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Can you imagine the fate of Pakistan cricket? The goddamn Pakistani T20 captain cannot make it to Bangladesh's Galli Mohalla category of last 85 players |
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lol some dude from Hong Kong in there.
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@ khaleefa, hafeez has opted out of the league because of international commitments. He hasnt even put his name up. Would atleast get into the A category IMO
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52 Pakistan cricketers!!
Thought we didnt pay them the last time ![]() On a serious note, I hope they come and play, it benefits everyone.. |
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Seems that quality international players is way better in BPL than SLPL. SLPL had pakistanis, tamim, azhar mahmood, hodge, nannes, jacob oram.....though there was expected to be a lot more players: Gayle, marsh brothers, botha, levi, shakib, samuels
But slpl had some great local players like dillu, sanga, jaya, mathews. Something BPL needs to concentrate on |
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Most of the top PAK players opted out, because chances are that they 'll miss the entire BPL for SAF Tour. Apart from pay as you play, there is a signing money & top PAK players might not be called during auction.
There is quota of foreign players & Franchises 'll not block their quota for players likely to miss entire BPL. Last time IPL teams also didn't bid for any PAK players, as they were not sure if these players 'll be cleared by Govt., didn't block their allocation. |
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thats whole domestic setup of pakistan , i hope rahat gets in
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Pak is the largest overseas pool to BPL as you guys have the most players willing to play and earn some real money (...even if it is paid late LOL)....need to fill in the gaps somehow so why not with pak players?? |
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@Executioner are these category's based on Player's base prices??
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For foreign players, golden category is 75Ks, A category has 50Ks, B category 30Ks and C category 15Ks though the money isnt all that much, its still better than that in SLPL. And in the future the amount will be increased considering that the league is held in more cities, and the ticket prices slightly increased. The matches usually start at 2PM in the afternoon, change it to 3:30-4:00 and there will be more viewers |
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Without Gayle, BPL2 would not be the same. Other than that, this sounds promising but kinda disappointed not to see any Indian players.
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Either those executives, owners and managements are totally stupid or .... we (the fans) have no clue how to judge a player!
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Corey Collymore also on the list ............also there no place for
![]() but hoping that rahat ali haris sohail babar azam gets a chance
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Nazir getting a golden contract
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No Gayle this time either
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Everyone knows he's one of the most effective crowd-pullers in the game today. Not because of his performance, but his general popularity and hype. |
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Wow the pakistani invasion
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Or you are saying the PPer are much smarter than the people who just get pulled to the stadiums all over the world by his popularity.....even if they see him get out first ball? Quote:
Any die hard Afridi fan (let alone people watching him play in BPL, County T20, SAF T20, BBL etc) would not go watch him get out first ball!!! I guess, I don't understand your popularity comment vs unpopularity here on PP ..or even general Pakistani fans wanting him out of Pak team altogether!
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This. His that guy who you know will cause some sort of drama on or off the field that will make things a bit more interesting. I think under his current form people are still interested to watch him just to see if he has a blistering comeback or if he drops to more lows in his performance. |
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Cricket is, after all, just entertainment. And if people are entertained by him, then by all means they should pay to go watch him. Similarly, leagues are, and should be, given the freedom to take advantage of his contagious publicity. The entertainment he provides however is, more often than not, just the dramatization of his performance rather than its actual quality. For example, the way he poses after wickets, his agressive appealing and the emphasis on his appearance. Make no mistake, I'm not saying what he or his fans do is 'wrong' or 'bad' in any way. It's just that most fans of the national team, despite being entertained by him, would rather see the team win than carry an out-of-form player for the entertainment. |
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A good chance for some unknown Pakistani cricketers to be in contention for the National team.
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I haven't even heard of some of these Pakistani players. Hope they get in and make some money, they probably make barely anything playing in Pakistan.
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Sorry for not fully understanding your response... or not being able to explain my point.... but let me try to clarify again....
![]() I am talking about this poll on PP. http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...d.php?t=167132 39% wanted him to be dropped altogether. 36% wanted him to be dropped from ODIs. That is whopping 75% (that is a large number) of the PPers who don't want to the see the "entertainment" that you mentioned. They don't care about drama, that you mentioned. So... if PPer who voted for his ouster, (assuming they represent a decent sample of cricket fans) will mis the entertainment and drama that he brought into Pakistan team. Then you guys keep mentioning "his popularity" and "the being the crowd puller"... .then is PCB stupid to drop him? Why PCB does not want the crowd to come and watch in UAE - regardless of the performance!!!? Quote:
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Are you saying wins are not important to those team....when there is hefty reward/prize for the winners? Why do you think, Adelaide executives flew Saeed Ajmal to Australia for just one match..... and bowl only 4 overs? Entertainment or performance? ![]() Last comment... for Afridi to entertain foriegn leagues, he HAS to stay at the wicket, hit a few sixes ... but we PPers (75% of them) think.... that he is not worth time and money! Why? Which goes back to my question in the first post .... do we 75% of PPer know cricket than league owners?
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Malik and Younas Khan.
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Imran Nazir is in golden because of his performance in the last BPL, including this in the Final:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/banglade...ch/551077.html He was dominant in BPL, and also destroyed Bangladesh in the T20 World Cup recently.
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What most people here do not realise is that the list is produced based on the interest shown by the players and not by the team.
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Aces Sports on Twitter reported that Ahmed Shehzad has been added to the auction, but I don't see him on the list.
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I said... and I repeat.... source/link... ?? ..and why your hero applied (if true) last time and not this time? I won't ask for the link/source on this one!
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No Jamshed/Shehzad, but there are players like Zulfiqar Babar, Asad Ali, and other newbies.
![]() A lot of Pakistanis in Category C. BTW why is Chanderpaul there?
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I hope BCB uses it this time.
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i hope there's some quality cricket going on during these tamasha leagues so i don't have to watch this garbage
and lolz @ most players in that "golden" contract and seems like BPL = BAN, PAK, WI, and ENG players
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5 reasons why PCB are correct in forcing Bangladesh to tour
1. Bangladesh got test status because of us 2. Mustafa Kamal got ICC vice presidency because of us 3. Bangladesh promised to tour 4. Pakistan need more tests - 5 test and 7 ODI series 5. Pakistan will provide top security and is safe as in Karachi games. Well done PCB, organise more games please. |
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Aren't you going to pull out stats and twist them to prove how great lala has been in the past couple of years? use some common sense. League owners are paying him money because he is a massive crowd puller because where there is Afridi there is drama and also because of his past reputation such as smashing the fastest century and with lala at the crease it's going to be hit or miss which people like to see but that doesn't mean he is a great player and should not be dropped. As far as pp is concerned most of the posters here have a lot more knowledge about the game than a common cricket fan just take facebook comments for example there are a lot fans who like to watch cricket but are not crazy like digging up stats and spending hours everyday reading about it like a lot of posters here so ppers are bound to have more knowledge than a normal person. now as far as league owners are concerned they want crowd and money and Pakistan is not a league or club team and we want to win so sometimes you have to put your mind ahead of your heart and make the wise decision. It's like everything you like to do doesn't always mean it's good for you like i want to see Afridi bat but at the same time I want Pakistan to win and if Afridi is failing to deliver than too bad we have move on. We are here to win while at the club level winning is important but making money is the first priority and I will pay to watch afridi because I don't really care who wins a match between two cities in Bangladesh it's just down to pure entertainment. hope i made it clear
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It's like everything you like to do doesn't always mean it's good for you like i want to see Afridi bat but at the same time I want Pakistan to win and if Afridi is failing to deliver than too bad we have move on. We are here to win while at the club level winning is important but making money is the first priority and I will pay to watch afridi because I don't really care who wins a match between two cities in Bangladesh it's just down to pure entertainment. hope i made it clear.
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Good to see Shahzaib in the list
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I think a lot more players will put their name in the auction and few others could enter once the BBL ends. But someone like Nasir Jamshed could have easily been in that list. Not to mention, the league will really miss the service of gayle and samuels |
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No afghan players on the list?
Afghan players like mohammad shehzad, mangal and hamid hassan....and some other good players could get some good bids had they put their name up in that list. Atleast we know these guys unlike 50% of the pakistani playersAlso, someone like tendoeschate could have easily put his name up, dont know whats holding him back. No lankan players as well? |
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