Your Batting Order for Pakistan in ODI

[Zeenix]

Ok here it goes. Irrespective of what happened in this ODI Series what would your team order be in ODI

For me it should be like this..

1) Imran Farhat / Yasir Hameed.
2) Shoaib Malik
3) Younis Khan
4) Inzamam
5) Mohd Yousuf
6) Kamran Akmal
7) Shahid Afridi
8) Abdur Razaq
9) Rana Naveed
10) Shoaib Akhtar
11) Mohammad Asif

1) I am not a great fan of Butt. What I see of him, his appearance at the crease makes of think of a lamb within a pack of wolves. Even if he is on 100 he still is very subdued or rather i should say afraid, His technique not worth mentioning. I find Farhat more appealing and techniquely correct then Butt.
2) Shoaib Malik at opening I don’t give a crap about Swinging conditions, Nowadays most of the Pitches Specially for ODI are good batting tracks. Very rarely would you get a seamy track for a ODI, and if you do get one well who wouldn’t struggle so why have a go at Malik for his inability.
3) Younis at NO 3 Despite his recent failures, I think he still has the attitude (after Inzamam) and potential to be a man of crisis. His technique is pretty good and his appetite for runs and his hunger to prove himself might help him a lot
4) Inzamam Do I have to say anything.
5) Yousuf Pretty straight forward, I would’ve liked him at No 3, but since both he and Inzi are found more hiding behind the stairs ( TSN report ;)) ), so we’ve no other choice then to put him here.
6) Kamran Akmal can be a good asset at No 6. Not only his ability to explode can help if the team is going well, his ability to bat with good technique also ensures that we can show late order resistance and also we can expect him to be a good finisher.
7) Boom Boom Pretty apparent
8) Abdur Razaq Same as NO 7.

Ok I should just shutup and let you decide, what are your thoughts about the TEAM BATTING ORDER.

[ammarz]

how are you putting afridi in there?? he is injured and wont probably be playing the final one day match either. . well if butt scores a century i wont care about how he appears as a lamb or whatever. Imran farhats tendency of playing reckless hoicks is still present and you dont want that in an opening batsman. butt is tried and tested. akmal is a compact player and has been successful. we should stick with the same first three batsmen and perhaps shuffle the middle order of younis, inzi and yousuf. Sami did a good job in the last match. i think they should have a good all rounder as a supersub and not arshad kahn. lets all say a prayer that inzi wins that Toss for a change. best of luck to our team

[Zeenix]

This line up is not just for Sundays Match. It is how it should be most of the time. (In My Opinion Though)

[Mercenary]

Ok I think once the supersub rule is scrapped, this would be our best ODi XI. My ideal batting order would be as follows...

Kamran - I would prefer Farhat who is an excellent fielder and a handy part-time bowler, he needs to be there but YK steals his place so Kamran opens.
Butt - He's shown he's talented enough, just needs to focus
Yousuf - His best average is at 3 and it would give him the responsibility that would make or break him
Malik - he averages better at 4 than at 3 and he is a difficult player to get out early on. He would provide a buffer between Younis and Inzi so that we dont lose our two biggest wickets in the space of 2 balls
Inzamam
Younis - a great fielder and motivator but perhaps not the best bet for the ODI side
Afridi
Razzaq
Kamran
Rana
Akhtar - replaced with Gul, Arafat or Sami as needs be
Asif

[Zeenix]

Regarding Salman Butt, my description of his was to display his approach to the game rather then theatrical attire. Imran Farhat sure does throw it away but For God sake how long he has been playing under Woolmer, let him come in the current team and i feel that he'd be playing responsibily WHICH BUtt isn't. There's no point in scoring a century one game and then be BARREN for God knows how many one days. Plus Butt technique against the Short ball leaves a lot to desire.

[zaf1986]

Farhat is an excellent fielder but his shot selection is still poor. Chasing the short ball at 124-5 is not clever.

Butt
Akmal
Malik
Inzy
Yousuf
Younis
Afridi
Razzaq
Rana
Sami
Shoaib

[Hash]

All things being equal my team for the first game of the 2007 world cup would be...

Salman Butt
Kamran Akmal
Shoaib Malik
Mohammed Yousuf
Inzamam ul Haq
Younis Khan
Shahid Afridi
Abdur Razzaq
Rana Naveed ul Hassan
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammed Asif

[z10]

Originally Posted by Mercenary Ok I think once the supersub rule is scrapped, this would be our best ODi XI. My ideal batting order would be as follows... Kamran - I would prefer Farhat who is an excellent fielder and a handy part-time bowler, he needs to be there but YK steals his place so Kamran opens. Butt - He's shown he's talented enough, just needs to focus Yousuf - His best average is at 3 and it would give him the responsibility that would make or break him Malik - he averages better at 4 than at 3 and he is a difficult player to get out early on. He would provide a buffer between Younis and Inzi so that we dont lose our two biggest wickets in the space of 2 balls Inzamam Younis - a great fielder and motivator but perhaps not the best bet for the ODI side Afridi Razzaq Kamran Rana Akhtar - replaced with Gul, Arafat or Sami as needs be Asif

2 Kamrans?

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by z10 2 Kamrans?

A cloned Kamran Akmal I think he means

[Lightning]

I would like to see a team like this by the world cup.

1) Butt/ Farhat
2) Shoaib Malik
3) Younis
4) Inzamam
5) Yousuf
6) Akmal
7) Afridi
8) Razzaq
9) Rana/Sami/Gul
10) Shoaib
11) Asif

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by zeenix Regarding Salman Butt, my description of his was to display his approach to the game rather then theatrical attire. Imran Farhat sure does throw it away but For God sake how long he has been playing under Woolmer, let him come in the current team and i feel that he'd be playing responsibily WHICH BUtt isn't. There's no point in scoring a century one game and then be BARREN for God knows how many one days. Plus Butt technique against the Short ball leaves a lot to desire.

Butt atleast gets out to good balls. Farhat gives his wicket away on a platter. That ugly shot at Multan still haunts me. IMO that Farhat wicket cost us the match!

[Mercenary]

Originally Posted by z10 2 Kamrans?

He retired hurt but came back to bat through his pain at the end, badge-kisser that he is.

[Hash]

Originally Posted by UsmanCHADDA Butt atleast gets out to good balls. Farhat gives his wicket away on a platter. That ugly shot at Multan still haunts me. IMO that Farhat wicket cost us the match!

I agree it was crucial. Another 50 runs and you never know. Though I think Yousuf got out at the wrong time and that was far more crucial. Yousuf's abysmal form is what cost us this ODI series more than anything else IMO.

[Bailan]

Butt
Farhat
Malik
Yousaf
Inzimam
Kamran Akmal
Shaid Afridi
Abdur Razzaq
Rana Naved
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohd. Asif

Thats 6 bowlers; 2 proper openers; 8 recognized batsmen. And although under inzi's captaincy Butt's and Farhat's bowling skills are going to waste, simply because inzi would rather sleep on the field than actually do some thinking ... and use his non-regular bowlers to break partnerships.

And when Akhtar misses a game, Gul can come in ...

[Amir_rulez]

1) Salman/ Farhat
Rest of the team shud be same as zeenix's.

[Saj]

Whilst appreciating that Kamran Akmal opening means that we can accomodate another batsman and adds flexibility to the top order, I'm still not convinced that he's the right man for the job at the top of the order.

He's had some fantastic innings opening, but long term I'm not sure it does Pakistan or him any good to open in the one dayers.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

well the thread stipulates batting order and we could argue on personnel from now til kingdom come. so here is my take on it:

opener
keeper
bat
bat
bat
bat
all rounder
all rounder
bowler who bats - possibly spinner
fast bowler
fast bowler

[Fawad]

My ideal ODI XI:

Salman Butt
Imran Farhat
Mohammad Yousuf
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Shoaib Malik
Kamran Akmal
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Rana Naved-ul-Hasan
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Asif

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by AmitMishra bowls wrongun well the thread stipulates batting order and we could argue on personnel from now til kingdom come. so here is my take on it: opener keeper bat bat bat bat all rounder all rounder bowler who bats - possibly spinner fast bowler fast bowler

Surprised you don't think Pakistan would do well with two genuine openers.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

Well, I believe Kamran Akmal is that good a player that he can definitely do the job.
I also believe that both Malik and Younis Khan deserve their places.

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by AmitMishra bowls wrongun Well, I believe Kamran Akmal is that good a player that he can definitely do the job. .

He has the talent to do the job. But perhaps he's not quite ready yet. He isn't really sure of his shot selection in the ODI format which is causing a bit of a concern. Perhaps we are putting too much responsibility on him at an early stage of his career and batting lower down could help him focus on things better.

May be an opening option a year or two later.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

Well I think my plan gives best all round balance for the team. It may sacrifice an individual or two along the way but works out better for me than having another opener. as i have said before i would open with the best batsman in the team but we know there is more chance of lord lucan hitting a 100 in the world cup final.

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by AmitMishra bowls wrongun Well I think my plan gives best all round balance for the team.

True, but a lot of focus has been on Salman Butt's failure this series while not much has been said about Kamran's lack of consistency (I don't think he's crossed 35 in this series).

The focus hasn't been on him probably because he also keeps but we've got to focus on Kamran the batsman and his performance as an opener when we are talking about the batting lineup. He has also been inconsistent so far in his career (he has no 50 other than his 3 100's) which makes him a bit of an all or nothing.

It's to an extent down to his shot selection I think but the balance is only going to be helped on paper if he doesn't give us consistent starts as an opener.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

If you balance Kamran with a more sedate opener like my favourite then I think you get an ideal combination which will bring out the best in both guys.

[Geordie Ahmed]

1) Taufeeq Umar/ Imran Farhat
2) Salman Butt
3) Shoaib Malik
4) Inzi/MoYo
5) Inzi/MoYo
6) Kamran Akmal (WK)
7) Afridi/Razzaq
8) Afridi/Razzaq
9) Akhtar
10) Rana
11) Asif

[Abdul Qadir 236]

Toffee who?

[z10]

pakistan are suffering because they are trying to accomodate younis khan in the side

[Zeenix]

I think proper openers would be a better option, IF and ONLY IF Kami models himself into the role of a regular opener then its a big plus otherwise a Regular opener wud be required. Its not good reading when on batting pancakes your scoreline reads 60/4 and its because of the poor start. Am not convinced though that Butt is a good choice

[majalani]

I would not play Imran Farhat at all for next three years.

got out out twice at Karachi to the same shot hooking,
Fourth ODI out hooking at 123/5 captain batting on the other side
Fifth ODI after doing all the hard work out hooking instead going on to make a big hundred
When WILL he learn

[majalani]

My ideal ODI XI:

Salman Butt
Shoaib Malik
Younis Khan
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Mohammad Yousuf
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi
Kamran Akmal
Rana Naved-ul-Hasan
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Asif
SS D. Kaneria/ M. Hafeez

[Officer Barbrady]

Originally Posted by majalani got out out twice at Karachi to the same shot hooking,

A minor error here...he got out once to the hook shot in Karachi. (Was driving the other time)

But I have to say when he gets it right he plays the pull quite beautifully. He urgently needs to sort out when to play it though.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

forget all talk of supersubs - they are going!

[UJ]

Originally Posted by z10 pakistan are suffering because they are trying to accomodate younis khan in the side

I agree to an extent.

An option might be to play YK at no 5 and push MoYo at no 6.

[tradecars]

Butt stop chasing outside off stump
Malik no more silly shots for nothing
younis needs to put the foot down and pressure the opposition
inzi poor fieliding needs to loose weight and gett fitter
Yousuf as usuall concentrate more at the start of innings
Afridi being chased by dhoni as the next beast he has to come back better
Razzaq needs not to give wicket away cheaply on occassions
kamran needs to get back to his best again and not get out to traps set
rana needs a kick up the butt
Shoaib get fitt please and get smarter its the only way to go
asif welcome to cricket keep smart and out think your opossition
how about this line, i am still not convinced that malik should be an opener but he's also a bowler so has to be in the team,salman butt really needs a kick up the butt and tell him not to chase the ball to the slipps,the rest of the team need to wake up and smell the coffee, i would appreciate response to my view on the current team
regards khal

[Waseem]

Salman Butt
Shoaib Malik
Younis Khan
M Yousaf
Inzamam ul Haq
Kamran Akmal
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Rana Naved
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Asif

Salman Butt definitely needs some more chances, we can keep Farhat as his cover. Malik often comes very early in the inning and he has done well opening the inning in the past, it would also give Younis a chance to bat at number 3 because he simply can not bat at SIX. Kamran Akmal can slog at the end and he can build the innings as well so he will be a better option than Younis Khan.

[Waseem]

I missed tradecars post, i agree with his lineup. But i think we need to play Kamran after Inzi, he is more of a proper batsman who can rebuild the inning in pressure situations. Afridi can be promoted ahead of Akmal if required but otherwise Akmal is a better option at 6.

[tradecars]

nice 1 mate, the prob with farhat is his shot selection is silly, it may be an idea to get younis and butt opening to get some flash and a solid feel at the top of the order, then get yousuf in at 3 and inzi at 4 get your best batsmen in first to get you a solid start and then let razzaq/afridi/akmal/shoaib lett rip with some fast scoring see what i mean ?
regards khal

[inzidabest]

You cannot push kamran down. Batting looks a little weak then.looks.A good ODI side should have a batsman coming it at 6. Younis Khan should be persisited with at 3. Though I have supported Malik. I think Malik can do a much better job down the order.at 6. That too if Malik bowl. If not then I think Faisal would be a better option.My choice would be like this.

Kamran Akmal
Salman Butt / Imran Farhat - (depends on form)
Younis Khan
Yousuf Youhana
Shoab Malik / Faisal Iqbal
Inzamam Ul Haq
Shahid Afridi - floater ..move up and down the order as and when needed
Abdur Razzaq
Rana Naved
Mohammed Asif
Shoab AKhtar

4 5 6 positions need not be fixed.should change depending on form.

Rana and Asif shoul open bowling. Gul being a back up opener bowler.when any one of the two is injured.

Shoab Akhtar is one change bowler - Arafat/Sami to be his back up. You need pace in the middle overs.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

Interesting point.
Use the medium pacers with the new ball because they need the assistance that it gives whereas Shoaib does not due to his pace.
Saying that, I believe as you put ur best batsmen at the top of the order (Tendulkar, Gilchrist, Ponting), you should do the same with your bowlers.

[aamir_riaz]

well my battin order wud be
butt
hameed/ younis
malik
moyo
inzi
kami
razzi
boom boom
rana/arafat/hafeez
shoaib/ sami
asif

[inzidabest]

Originally Posted by AmitMishra bowls wrongun Interesting point. Use the medium pacers with the new ball because they need the assistance that it gives whereas Shoaib does not due to his pace. Saying that, I believe as you put ur best batsmen at the top of the order (Tendulkar, Gilchrist, Ponting), you should do the same with your bowlers.

There is no restriction on batsmen to bat only for 10 overs. lol. For bowlers there is.

Even if one or two batsmen do well , you can get a good score. It is not necessary for all 5 -6 batsmen to do good. However it is very necessary that all the bowlers bowl well throughout 50 overs. Rana is a much better new ball bowler. Shoab can maintain the pressure once change with his pace but Rana will not be able to do it one change.
That is why I have kept medium pacers (swing bowlers Rana Asif Gul) as opening bowlers and pace bowlers (Shoab Sami and Arafat) as middle overs bowlers.