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Old 27th August 2013, 10:31
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Shehzad and Jamshed batting today

Some very mediocre cricket.

Could not get the ball off the square, gave chances, wasted balls and then got out when they should have gone on.

Some very poor cricket against some steady but hardly world beating bowling.

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Old 27th August 2013, 10:38
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Shazad and Jamshed batting today

Pak batting is a joke and so are the so called talented youngsters.
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Old 27th August 2013, 10:53
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Both were given 2 chances each but still failed to capitalise.
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:00
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yep it was really poor and selfish batting , lot of wasted deliveries and its costing us at end now
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:01
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Selfish and awful
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:04
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Both have been a huge disappointment, how come these two are called aggressive openers? They are even worse than Misbah, considering they are batting in powerplay.


Jamshed form is huge worry for Pakistan
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:12
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The question is what orders have they been given by the team management.
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:13
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starting slow is not a problem but when you get out without accumulating on a slow start and ending up with a top SR thats when you do wrong.... misbah started off slow too and ended with a Sr 97.... this has been a problem for both of them and hopefully they can get their game straight in the next two ODI
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:18
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But but but... isn't it Misbah's fault?
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:20
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aweful batting by openers
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:24
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The question is what orders have they been given by the team management.
Pretty sure that didn't include edging every other bowl to the slips and driving the ball straight into the hands of the cover fielders.
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:25
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What is wrong with Jamshed? He was such a pleasure to watch when he first came in. Shehzad is obviously selfish and should be dropped from ODIs atleast, to make way for Umar Akmal in the next series.
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:26
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Shehzad clearly isn't good enough for ODIs. As for Jamshed he needs to go back to his attacking instincts and play freely, I don't know why he's been curbing his natural game for the past 6 months or so.
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:27
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Pretty sure that didn't include edging every other bowl to the slips and driving the ball straight into the hands of the cover fielders.
Didn't Misbah ask them to block every ball and edge after they get to 24?
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:27
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If next game Jamshed doesn't make a score than he does need to go back to domestic just so he can get his rythem back. It's just awful to watch
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:29
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Shehzad clearly isn't good enough for ODIs. As for Jamshed he needs to go back to his attacking instincts and play freely, I don't know why he's been curbing his natural game for the past 6 months or so.
I don't get why Shehzad has so much support he has proven he isn't good enough and even his stats reflect this a S.R. of 60 is very poor. Jamshed needs to open up and back himself rather than play shots half-heartedly.
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If next game Jamshed doesn't make a score than he does need to go back to domestic just so he can get his rythem back. It's just awful to watch
Why not Shehzad?
Nasir has been a hell lot better performer than him, has proven himself. Shehzad has YET to do it!
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:31
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What is wrong with Jamshed? He was such a pleasure to watch when he first came in. Shehzad is obviously selfish and should be dropped from ODIs atleast, to make way for Umar Akmal in the next series.

Jamshed will still be a pleasure to watch against trundlers on placid wickets.

He was lucky to have been served pies at the start of his career which helped in boosting his average. He has been exposed ever since he has stepped outside Asia.

Yes he did score some runs in the CT but he wasn't comfortable at all. Merely survived. Couldn't dominate.
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:36
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Jamshed will still be a pleasure to watch against trundlers on placid wickets.

He was lucky to have been served pies at the start of his career which helped in boosting his average. He has been exposed ever since he has stepped outside Asia.

Yes he did score some runs in the CT but he wasn't comfortable at all. Merely survived. Couldn't dominate.
He still has all the ability which he displays in some of the shots that he plays. Just going through a bad patch of form which is unsurprisingly correlated with the size of his waist.
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Old 27th August 2013, 11:42
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Jamshed will still be a pleasure to watch against trundlers on placid wickets.

He was lucky to have been served pies at the start of his career which helped in boosting his average. He has been exposed ever since he has stepped outside Asia.

Yes he did score some runs in the CT but he wasn't comfortable at all. Merely survived. Couldn't dominate.
this was a trundling attack on a easy pitch his form is just out going by his domestic records it seems this is his career story scores runs in spurts and then looses form for a while then starts scoring again his int career is mirroring that.Manzoor also seems to have a similar problem if you go by his domestic record.
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Old 27th August 2013, 12:05
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Shehzad is such a selfish batsman.
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Old 27th August 2013, 12:06
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Shehzad is such a selfish batsman.
He isn't selfish. He is not good enough.
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Old 27th August 2013, 12:09
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this was a trundling attack on a easy pitch his form is just out going by his domestic records it seems this is his career story scores runs in spurts and then looses form for a while then starts scoring again his int career is mirroring that.Manzoor also seems to have a similar problem if you go by his domestic record.
That correlates to his decreased confidence because of lack of runs.

Jamshed of 2012 would have smashed this attack around on this pitch.

The problem isn't mental, but he is weak mentally which is a part of the problem.

He doesn't have the technique to play swing and seam. He is a flat track bully.

Being a flat track bully isn't a bad thing at all because Pakistan plays most of their matches on flat tracks. Look what India have achieved thanks to their flat track bullies.

Problem is that Jamshed has lost confidence. Flat track bully who loses his confidence starts struggling on flat tracks as well like Gambhir for instance.
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Old 27th August 2013, 14:08
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Masakadza showing how it is done against a vastly superior bowling attack than the one Shehzad and Jamshed danced against.
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Old 27th August 2013, 14:09
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These two made a batting paradise look like a minefield
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Old 27th August 2013, 14:12
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If we lose than those two would be the biggest culprits. People like to present Ahmed Shehzad as the next Tendulkar but the fact is AS is just a slogger who struggles in condtions even slighly in favor of the bowler.
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Old 27th August 2013, 14:40
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Lost us the game today. Was hard early on though
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Old 27th August 2013, 14:59
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If this was a one off then it can be forgiven but this is consistently poor partnership. Shahzad has a strike rate of around 65 nearly every time I have seen play and Nasir is going backwards at a rate of knots. The only problem is that all the openers are just as bad!
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:00
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selfish batting but who can blame them when their captain does the same most of the times?
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:05
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Both should be spanked today and be on their last chance
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:06
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selfish batting but who can blame them when their captain does the same most of the times?
Big difference between playing slow while opening and playing slow when team is 4-5 down
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:11
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Well, even with two drop chances, 2/80 in 20th over was quite good. Its middle order batsmen who failed to take the score to over 260
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:11
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Both were given 2 chances each but still failed to capitalise.
I did not watch the game but looks like these 2 players cost Pakistan this match with strike rate of around 50 while playing 100 balls together. So

these 2 players :
Played 100 balls
Scores 50 runs

all remaining players:
Played 200 balls
Scores 200 runs

Ahmed Shehzad is TTF in ODIs. Time to drop him and try Azhar Ali / Sharjeel Khan instead.
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:12
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these guys better get their act straight..... opening slow fine but when you dotn accumulate and dont accelerate then its crap.
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:14
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Indian posters are suprisingly quite!i thought they'd go on a troll rampage by now!
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:14
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Both have failed miserably in ODI's but i dont see them being dropped anytime soon !
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:15
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Indian posters are suprisingly quite!i thought they'd go on a troll rampage by now!
Nothing to troll about ! A mediocre team just beat a greater mediocre team !
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:16
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get shahzaib and sharjeel atleast they r positive and attacking
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:17
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They should be attacking rather than going defensive.

I have no idea what's going on with these two, they more defensive they play, the worst it gets for them as they just keep creating a bigger hole for themselves.
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:19
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you need to have good technique to play defensive. both of these players dont have good technique so when they try to play defensive they got exposed.
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:20
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Well, even with two drop chances, 2/80 in 20th over was quite good. Its middle order batsmen who failed to take the score to over 260
That is true aswell, only Hafeez and Misbah scored the runs, the others were lacklustre.

But since no Hafeez has made a big score, I don't see them playing Umar Amin or Haris Sohail up the order.
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:21
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:21
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terrible mindset.... or maybe they were told to retain wickets? I don't know.... but based on the scorecard I would think they were facing Mcgrath adn Brett Lee in the opening overs.... how can Jamshed, a naturally aggressive batsman, bat so slow against Zimb?
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:23
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The team sheet at the start of the game actually shows Amin at 4 and misbah at
5 . Just saying ...
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:23
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Every batsman is playing for himself in this current team.
And still the team manages to post ONLY 244 against a side like zimbabwe !
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:26
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:26
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Pathetic batting by this team. i am sure the reason these 2 played slowly is because of the team planning and our pathetic captain planning
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:41
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Very slow batting. Both have been wrongly labelled as aggressors and what not. T20 is a different format and their innings in domestic T20 and T20i should not weigh on ODIs.
We are deluded if we think we have 2 aggressors at the top. We have accumulators.
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:53
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What a pathetic batting by our openers!! Absolutely terrible! Cost us the match. Ahmed was selfish as always. Nasir is out of form. Both were given chances in their horrible stay on the wicket.
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Old 27th August 2013, 15:56
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Sarfraz and Afridi were much bigger culprits, Jamshed/Ahmed did their job and fought bravely against the new ball. Its just this forum is filled with mqm style Karachiwalas which is why Jamshed/Ahmed get all the blame despite doing well and losers like Afridi and Sarfraz get away/
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Old 27th August 2013, 16:00
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Really pathetic batting. The only 'selling point' Shahzad/Jamshaid got is their aggression - which they haven't shown for a long time. Might as well draft in Azhar Ali if you need tuk-tuk at the top, at least he won't throw away his wicket cheaply.

You know whats worse? Precisely this kind of batting performances vindicate selectors who bring in Imran Farhat time and again. At least I can't blame them after seeing this pair's recent showing.
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Old 27th August 2013, 16:02
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Sarfraz and Afridi were much bigger culprits, Jamshed/Ahmed did their job and fought bravely against the new ball. Its just this forum is filled with mqm style Karachiwalas which is why Jamshed/Ahmed get all the blame despite doing well and losers like Afridi and Sarfraz get away/
What the actual hell? first of all, painting us all with the same brush as those terrorists shows your stupidity. Secondly, while I am not a fan of Sarfaraz, he was wrongly given out. Thirdly, I am from Karachi and I have been against the cancer that is Afridi for years.

So get your facts straight before shooting your ass off. They were slow today and that's a fact. It was a collective team failure with both batsmen and bowlers to take blame.
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Old 27th August 2013, 16:08
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These openers should be shown the door if they failed again. It is a job of selectors to decide which openers should replace them. The names that come to mind are Babar Azam, Khurram Manzoor, Sami Aslam, Shahzeib Hassan, Sharjeel Khan, Azhar Ali, and Zain Abass.
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Old 27th August 2013, 16:12
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That is true aswell, only Hafeez and Misbah scored the runs, the others were lacklustre.

But since no Hafeez has made a big score, I don't see them playing Umar Amin or Haris Sohail up the order.
I think its about time Misbah should drop himself down the order specially in the games where Pakistan hasnt lost more than two wickets in 15 overs. He should only be in early when their is a risk of collapse. This way you can build the players for future
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Old 27th August 2013, 16:31
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Spot on mate!! The main problem in our batting today was the slow start by our openers!! They were playing as if they knew in the last 10 overs 100 will be gettable so build a platform lol!! In fact it seemed as if they were playing for their own spots in the team lol!! This slow start was unacceptable!! Minimum 60 runs should be scored in the first 10 overs!! Why dont they buy some sense now from Zimbabwe? Zimbabwe started aggressively and that was the main reason they finished it off easily!! Had our openers started aggressively our score would have been in 270s!!
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Old 27th August 2013, 17:08
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Pakistani batsman and Indian bowlers have one thing in common.at the start of their respective careers both will be impressive but will fade away quickly. Jamshed is a classic example.
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Old 27th August 2013, 17:24
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Azhar Ali should be opening for Pakistan in both Tests and ODIs.

Jamshed will eventually come good after another break from National side.
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Old 27th August 2013, 17:38
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Misbah should give the openers a danda. Thats what they deserve for playing in such defensive style. Gave the Zimbo bowlers to much respect and put us on the back foot. Neither the bowling was so great nor the pitch that difficult.
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Old 27th August 2013, 17:41
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Azhar Ali should be opening for Pakistan in both Tests and ODIs.

Jamshed will eventually come good after another break from National side.
Azhar ali is a more defensive player than Jamshed.
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Old 27th August 2013, 17:49
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Afridi has played a key role in atleast 4 wins since his comeback. Why does everyone take their frustrations out on him?

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Old 27th August 2013, 18:17
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Azhar ali is a more defensive player than Jamshed.
I am not comparing these two. I consider Azhar a better option than Shehzad for ODIs.
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Old 27th August 2013, 18:24
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I have high hopes from these two gifted lads but gosh do they disappoint at times
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Old 27th August 2013, 18:53
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In mordern day . If u want win odi, t20, or test u need attaking batsman not tuk, tuk. And must needed 1 aggresive opener. Every cricket playing nation has a dassing opener like- sikhar d fm india, bell fm eng, watson & warner fm aus, guptil fm nz, smith & amla fm sa, dilshan fm sl, gayle fm wi, even tamim fm bd. Bt unfortunately no one fm pak. If ur opener scored 20+ from 50+ runs every game then how can u won the match. Thanks
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Old 27th August 2013, 18:55
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bell for england as attacking option ? that blok's strike rate is as bad as misbah
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Old 27th August 2013, 19:03
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Pakistan should try both Azhar Ali and Sharjeel Khan in ODIs. Replace both current openers with Azhar and Sharjeel.
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Old 27th August 2013, 21:58
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selfish batting. hence need guys like Umar Akmal and Fawad Alam in our team.

Might as well put Afridi back as an opener against the likes of Zimb, atleas the will be positive!
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Old 27th August 2013, 22:07
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Re: Shehzad and Jamshed batting today

can't fault these guys. we seen them play before. we know they can bat aggressively. but constant criticism in media and sacking by their own captain makes them go into a shell. Same with Yasir Hameed and other talents.
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Old 28th August 2013, 00:06
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give them both the series
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Old 28th August 2013, 13:35
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This team is going nowhere unless Misbah leaves. He wants everyone to follow his approach of caution early on and accelerating in the end. this is good for middle order but for top order its gonna kill the rhythm and flow of runs .

This teams need total takeover by young players and these usless oldies like hafeez ,misbah have to go . Playing the young and inexperienced might be a bit disappointing to start with but atleast we can see them getting better by experience .

Misbah is actually the worst captain for pak since i started watching cricket .the reason iss simple , previous captains never completely ignored country interest and played a team full of favorites and oldies .
Now he has only been forced to play shahzad and nasir and amin otherwise he would still opt imran farhats , shoaibs maliks and aizaz cheemas. Dont think he has any idea what is country interest and building up teams.
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Old 28th August 2013, 13:56
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can't fault these guys. we seen them play before. we know they can bat aggressively. but constant criticism in media and sacking by their own captain makes them go into a shell. Same with Yasir Hameed and other talents.
exactly..they are taking needless risk thanks to captain,selectors and media but it's captain and selectors that have to back players with few failures..if they give them a license of few games assurety that they won't be dropped for this numbers of games or something like that just to give them confidence I'm sure they'll play their natural game instead of this selfish cricket.
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Old 28th August 2013, 14:29
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I don't think think they are a good pair, why not trying to open with Haris Sohail!
Someone who bats at the top order shouldn't be called on No. 7!
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Old 28th August 2013, 14:40
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Maybe Jamshed's excellent series against India is the equivalent of Afridi's 37 ball 100 all those years back. Maybe we are expecting Jamshed to play like he did against India every time he comes to the crease just like we expect (not anymore though) Afridi to blast every bowler out the ground.

So the question is, how many more games/series should he get to prove me and others wrong or should we replace him?

PS. I know Shezad was playing also, he looks more average than Jamshed so don't want to waste any time with him....replace him already)
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Old 28th August 2013, 21:06
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wasn't the most eye catching innings, but that's not what cost us the match; that was our pathetic bowling and fielding display, if we could bowl better we would've won that easily
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Old 29th August 2013, 04:05
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Old 29th August 2013, 12:03
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Shehzad flopped today, Jamshed showed glimpses of his Asian form, really good batsmen to watch when in full flow, if Shehzad fails for the rest of this series, I would drop him. If Umar Akmal is fit to keep, he'll play in the middle order while someone like Azhar Ali can open. If Umar Akmal isn't fit to keep, then Kamran Akmal should open. If Shehzad does good in the 3rd ODI, and Umar Akmal isn't fit to keep, then bring in Rizwan
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