The WWE Thread - Page 28 - PakPassion

Rana

WWE seems boring all of a sudden. Brock Lesnar made it extremely interesting, but they've put him away.

Goldberg, Batista, Brock, Undertaker, Triple H are legends who can still fight at ppv's need to make constant returns

King_Rizzy

Goldberg? Goldberg for me was average. He had a bit of a look, which WCW used and made him into an icon due to his long long undefeated streak. In the ring I didn't think he was all that good, and was OK on the mic.

I agree though, around a year and a half ago, I enjoyed SmackDown more than Raw, but since the start of 2011, SD has just gone down the toilet, I find it boring now, I just watch it out of habit now. Raw is average, we keep seeing the same feuds with the same old storylines and it's too predictable.

They need something fresh.

James

The product at the moment is just terrible. Smackdown is not worth watching and Raw last week was an embarrassment. Nothing happened. Even a few years ago Raw would be crap for an hour and a half, but then at least make the effort to put on a really good main event. However, in 2012 we have regressed to a lumberjack match with the same old guys that went to a no-contest.

The PPVs are not great either. This would make up for the garbage TV if so, but you just can't ask people to shell out 15 quid, 40 dollars or whatever it is for tripe cards. That's a lot of money - you can buy a bunch of DVDs for that or go out for a meal instead. No longer is a WWF/E PPV part of a great night with you and your friends. No longer is it worth waiting all week for and staying up all Sunday night for - with the odd exception, it has become close to an afterthought. And it's their own fault.

Big Show v Cena in a big match environment at No Way Out, for example. This is historically one of WWE's best PPVs and its return to the calendar should be taken more seriously. I can't see how the Big Slow and a worker as shrug-worthy as Cena could be capable of having anything better than a forgettable two-star match, not unlike many of their formulaic offerings in the past. Unless it was Last Man Standing or I Quit, which would add a lot to the storyline.

Cena is the company's biggest draw but he will just never be over like Hogan, Rock, Stone Cold, Kurt, Shawn or even - I would argue - Lesnar. Why? Because the fans like to pick their heroes and their villains and see the storylines develop accordingly, as they did with the aforementioned. But WWE kind of forced Cena, his sorry gimmicks and his limited moveset on everyone, and expected them to like it. The five-knuckle shuffle has got to be one of the poorest, most fake-looking moves in history. Cena has got mixed to negative reactions at numerous events, televised or not, and it's easy to see why.

The main event at Over The Limit was an unfunny comedy match, with no skill on display and a predictable angle to finish. Plus you just can't sell a punch as a finisher to pro-wrestling fans anymore. They have got too smart and they don't have the money to shell out for dud products on a weekly basis. Next time they might stay at home. It was a disgraceful effort from all concerned.

Says a lot that it needed Triple H-Undertaker in a cell, with Shawn as the ref - one great wrestler and two absolute legends, well into their forties beating each other up for half an hour and doing horror bladejobs, squeezing what was left out of a 15 year-old concept, with a little help from Shawn's crowd heat - and The Rock's charisma and admirable hard work to stop WM28 from being the worst Mania ever. So basically, special appearances that had little to do with the current product were the only good things about the show. And believe me, before the Attitude era kicked off there were some terrible Wrestlemanias.

Major improvements needed. Across the board.

King_Rizzy

Agreed.

This is why people get hyped up when people like Shawn Michaels, Taker, Rock, Lesnar and Austin return, even if it's in a non wrestling capacity, because they know they're going to get great entertainment.

We all know it's only the kiddies and a handful of adults who like Cena. Kiddies are easily manipulated and will buy into that crap that WWE throws at them, it doesn't take much talent to get over with them, it's easy, like taking candy from a baby perfectly fits that. To get over with adults, to the level Rock and Austin are, you have to be talented. We don't see that kind talent anymore. Plus, the creative team for years has been poor and sometimes holds back those who are potential mega stars, or kill their momentum by poor storylines.

And where the hell is Kharma? Last I read she was ready to return, but creative don't have anything for her at the moment. Are you kidding me? Creative don't have anything for Kharma? They need to be sacked.

James

I don't get the limited deal for Lesnar. Even if they've sacked off Smackdown, he could carry Raw on his back.

Rana

I think that Lesnar was only signed so that he can make the current roster look strong, but now Triple H wants to make a name by pairing himself with Lesnar.

Brock Lesnar needs to wrestle Sheamus, Henry and Big Show so that the buisness can look legit as they say

James

Yeah even Triple H coming back properly would be a breath of fresh air now.

Amir

I think people are being too harsh on WWE. Sure, they will never garnish the same ratings as they did during the attitude era but the underlying truth is not because the product was so much better (it really wasn't as great as people made it out to be. I grew up watching attitude era and there were some real stupid storylines like Mae Young giving birth to a hand, Katie Vick, never ending conclusion of GTV, the higher power and so forth). Wrestling was just a fad during that time, and WWF/WCW ran with it. Looking back, some of those storylines were just terrible but good for that period and it drove interest. And the attitude era didn't end overnight. Those same story lines carried out till 2004/2005 (remember Bischoff, the diva contest, HLA and so on) but ratings by then were already falling. Simply because wrestling goes through fads and trends.

I don't know if wrestling will ever reach that height again. It will get popular eventually, things happen in waves and stages. I don't agree there is not as many talented wrestlers. I think a guy like Punk is more talented than Austin, he was just born into the wrong era.

I always see a lot of complaining how things are not the way they are but other than the odd bad booking, what can WWE do fundamentally that would generate interest (realistically)? Please don't say "bring rock and brock back!" One, those guys have other ventures now. If it were up to WWE, they would sign Lesnar to a full contract but that is not how the world works. HHH, HBK and Taker are too old for a full time wrestling program. And obviously they draw more than the current guys because they have a history. You can put Scott Hall on the show and that too will draw old fans. That is not to take anything away from the current guys, you need time to build a fan base. Second, if you just keep bringing back old wrestlers, you are going to hit a point where they will leave and you will literally be left with no one. Its bad business.

As for the whole PG era of wrestling, a lot of people blame Linda's senate run but that is not the reason. WWE has a history of raunchy storylines, you can't hide that either. Fact is, we now live in a post-Benoit / post-sucide world where guys are killing themselves from the trauma. And not just Benoit, but the NFL and NHL have both recently been dealing with this. In fact, it has taken some of the heat off WWE because they are more mainstream. They just can't do certain things from the Attitude era such as chair shots to the head (or anything to the head, they even banned Orton's punt) or excessive blood (hepatitis). Any bad press will hurt Linda, but more importantly it could lead to more people dying.

Honestly speaking, they are doing their best with what they have. They need to build new stars and I think their only real mistake is booking at times. Punk and Bryan should be the main event at over the limit and they should build feuds for 2-3 months as opposed to one offs.

Amir

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Agreed.

This is why people get hyped up when people like Shawn Michaels, Taker, Rock, Lesnar and Austin return, even if it's in a non wrestling capacity, because they know they're going to get great entertainment.

We all know it's only the kiddies and a handful of adults who like Cena. Kiddies are easily manipulated and will buy into that crap that WWE throws at them, it doesn't take much talent to get over with them, it's easy, like taking candy from a baby perfectly fits that. To get over with adults, to the level Rock and Austin are, you have to be talented. We don't see that kind talent anymore. Plus, the creative team for years has been poor and sometimes holds back those who are potential mega stars, or kill their momentum by poor storylines.

And where the hell is Kharma? Last I read she was ready to return, but creative don't have anything for her at the moment. Are you kidding me? Creative don't have anything for Kharma? They need to be sacked.

Cena gets a lot of heat for his good guy schtick. But really is one of the hardest workers. It is reported that Cena wants to turn heel, back to his old thuganomics character but Vince won't allow it until they have his replacement. Cena is not only valuable in terms of drawing people, but he is their biggest PR guy. Good clean guy with no roids, few domestic problems, no sign of drugs, no tattoos....he is your classic role model. Cena is definitely a legend whether people like it or not. He has been in some great feuds with HBK, Angle, JBL and has had amazing matchups with Rock and Brock.

Kharma - it would be great to see her return but they are doing the right thing. Obviously, she needs to come back as a powerhouse and only person worth challenging that is Beth Phoenix. However, why would you waste the only diva match people want to see on a dumb PPV like No Way Out? It would be pointless for Kharma to come back right now and feud with weaker divas while Beth is busy. At the same time, its good cause they can give the spotlight to other divas (like Layla) before Kharma and Beth will steal the show.

Rana

Smackdown used to be good because it was a continuation of Raw and the final chance to build up before a PPV. Since they split the Roster and made two belts, Wrestling just wasnt the same.

All they need to is sack the no shows into WWE Superstars and pick the amount of stars that used to be prominent during the Attitude Era.

Lesnar
Cena
Orton
HHH
Kane
Big Show
D Bryan
Sheamus
Khali
Henry
Rhyback
Cody Rhodes
Brodus Clay
CM Punk
Chris Jericho
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The Rest need to be given time off to improve mic skills and crowed connetion. The above mentioned are talented and can be made into legends.

King_Rizzy

Khali is talented?

Rana

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Khali is talented?

Well he is over with the crowed, they like him.

Amir

Rana, how does one become over with the crowd if they are never seen on TV? I check NXT and Superstars here and there but wouldn't be able to tell you what is happening or some of the guys on that show. Only the avid wrestling followers check out Superstars and NXT and the the avid fans do not fill majority of the stadium.

Thus how does one become over with the crowd with no TV exposure?

SAF

Wrestling has been super boring lately..its like everything just died after mania..and even rock wont return until early next year..

Amir

Terrible RAW tonight. I really hated Big Show before. Hate him even more now. Should not be the main event of the no way out. Again, Punk and Bryan get buried to the mid card and now added flavour of Kane to ruin their match.

Overall terrible booking. Only positive for this raw is that hopefully, finally Ziggler and Swagger (well who gives a sh!t about Swagger) can stop jobbing to various tag teams.

King_Rizzy

What a poor poor main way to finish Raw. I thought Show started the night off well, I think his promo was decent. But my goodness what were they thinking with Show and Clay at the end? It came off horrible in my opinion, it was too slow because both guys are big guys, I thought it was painful to watch that ending.

I also think this might destroy a lot of Clay's momentum.

James

Sky+'d it, gonna attempt to enjoy the latest horrorshow after work.......

Pakpak

WWE is unwatchable nowadays.

Since they've went ''PG'' the standard has been shocking.

Amir

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What a poor poor main way to finish Raw. I thought Show started the night off well, I think his promo was decent. But my goodness what were they thinking with Show and Clay at the end? It came off horrible in my opinion, it was too slow because both guys are big guys, I thought it was painful to watch that ending.

I also think this might destroy a lot of Clay's momentum.

I still can't believe Cena Show is the main event at the next PPV. Why can't they just put Cena on the mid-card for once? Show's promo sucked. It was the same thing as the week before. And the same as smackdown. We get it dude, you cried and no one came to help you. I don't need 3 f'ing promos to tell me that.

It will only destroy Clay's momentum if he doesn't comeback to defend himself. Like maybe save John Cena or something next week on RAW. But knowing WWE creative, nothing will probably happen.

Rana

wade Barret is being missed dearly. His Nexus stint was pretty cool

King_Rizzy

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I still can't believe Cena Show is the main event at the next PPV. Why can't they just put Cena on the mid-card for once? Show's promo sucked. It was the same thing as the week before. And the same as smackdown. We get it dude, you cried and no one came to help you. I don't need 3 f'ing promos to tell me that.

It will only destroy Clay's momentum if he doesn't comeback to defend himself. Like maybe save John Cena or something next week on RAW. But knowing WWE creative, nothing will probably happen.

Hmmm yes, I guess so, maybe him getting whooped by Big Show is a good thing, come back and get that push to the top, albeit a short push.

Professor

Cant believe that they building Big Show up again just so they can feed him to Cena for the tenth time

Amir

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wade Barret is being missed dearly. His Nexus stint was pretty cool

Can't wait till he is back. A legit big guy who is good on the mic. He will be champion one day, he is too good not to be.

Rana

Possible fueds that can be Epic...

Randy Orton v Brock Lesnar

John Cena v Sheamus (Cena turns heel)

Cody Rhodes v Randy Orton

CM Punk v Wade Barret

SAF

Wade barrett should face taker at next mania..he has soo much potential..

Amir

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Wade barrett should face taker at next mania..he has soo much potential..

Most likely going to be Brock.

Theo_14

I think the atmosphere has been shocking too. The fans are dead boring, hardly any chants and just reminds me of a typical match at the Emirates stadium.

Why have WWE signed the PG contract... Any reason? They can still suceed despite the PG certificate, just need some of the old guns to come back, and few shocks like John Cena's going back to his old best etc

This is the kind of reception John Cena would get - check out the fans, and the game itself, unbelievable. This happened in 06' when WWE was still under contract with PG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=O6mKuKSkyT0

Theo_14

Ryback is a beast... I have a feeling he is going to be big. Views on him?

Amir

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I think the atmosphere has been shocking too. The fans are dead boring, hardly any chants and just reminds me of a typical match at the Emirates stadium.

Why have WWE signed the PG contract... Any reason? They can still suceed despite the PG certificate, just need some of the old guns to come back, and few shocks like John Cena's going back to his old best etc

This is the kind of reception John Cena would get - check out the fans, and the game itself, unbelievable. This happened in 06' when WWE was still under contract with PG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=O6mKuKSkyT0

To be honest the PG thing is overdone. People need to understand the world has changed over the past decade. Lately a lot of athletes have been dying from head trauma injuries. This has come into greater focus with all the recent suicides (Benoit, Test, Kanyon and so on) and all the attention the NFL is generating too. Things liek head shots and blood are slowly becoming a thing of the past and though it sucks, it is the right decision.

As for their toned down nature of their storylines. It brings it more money. WWE gets more money for being on the USA network. In early 2000s, the product even got more raunchy and they moved to Spike. Truth is though, Spike probably does not generate the ad revenue USA does (hence why TNA is on Spike and WWE no longer is not).

Cena's thuganomics character was good. I wish he would revert to it. He wishe he could too. But from a business perspective, with no replacement and a lack of credible faces (with Orton gone only Cena and Punk now), it would not make sense to make him heel.

Amir

I like Ryback but his gimmick of squashing nobodies is getting old. We have done it every Smackdown, even on a PPV. It is time to put him in the ring with someone credible to build him. I think he is talented and love his clothesline. If anything, they need a big guy, he should be feuding with Kane (not ruining a perfectly good rivalry between Punk and Bryan) or turn Big Zeke heel.

Theo_14

I guess you have a point there Amir with WWE signing the PG contract, guess it's for the best although it's a big dissapointment.

However depsite that - still think WWE have the ability to do better, it's just once ratings go up - they seem to decrease within a week - lack of consistency.

However things are looking promising since the last/recent Wrestlmania - Raw are set to go 3 hours soon, with major changes set to occur within the company according to several articles.

It's a shame Orton is suspended for 60 days, huge loss. Also Sin Cara who had a tough 2011 with botches, is set to return, along with Rey... Who will return in June, I believe.

Regarding Ryback - he's physically big and strong, powerhouse. A very good entrance... These minor matches are irritating, but they are being done to hype up his character and build him in other ways. Soon, he'll face a proven well known superstar and he will be big. Watch this space.

Think I'm slowly getting back into wrestling - not sure why, must be because of the old classical youtube clips I've been watching - and recent changes in WWE etc. Gotta' love CM Punk. His trolling in the last episode was brilliant.

PakFan2010

Randy Orton suspended (60 Days). 2 WELFARE Strikes
1 more and he is fired.

Wouldn't be suprised to see him end up at TNA like Jeff Hardy; Orton seems to struggle with the schedule of the WWE in terms of injuries and other things.

James

Remember how the Invasion storyline bombed? Stone Cold's big Wrestlemania heel turn - which was a useful angle in one great match, but went wrong in the long term - was one of the reasons why. The fans didn't know how to take the crucial Stone Cold character not shortly after his big return - thus storyline and match quality went down, thus buy rates went down.

A federation needs a credible leading face. To be fair you can't make Cena heel, with the total lack otherwise of a marketable mic-hogging signature move-laden superface. Even Cena struggles to occupy the role; nobody else, then, would possibly have a chance.

In the meantime, partly from the PG discussion and also from Theo's citation of classic Youtube clips, a bit of nostalgia for five-star bloodbaths. This is one of my favourite matches ever -

pakistanalltheway

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Randy Orton suspended (60 Days). 2 WELFARE Strikes
1 more and he is fired.

Wouldn't be suprised to see him end up at TNA like Jeff Hardy; Orton seems to struggle with the schedule of the WWE in terms of injuries and other things.

whats a welfare strike ?

PakFan2010

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whats a welfare strike ?

Anything to do with drugs.

Getting high probably.

King_Rizzy

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Randy Orton suspended (60 Days). 2 WELFARE Strikes
1 more and he is fired.

Wouldn't be suprised to see him end up at TNA like Jeff Hardy; Orton seems to struggle with the schedule of the WWE in terms of injuries and other things.

Can you please provide a source for this piece of news?

Amir

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Can you please provide a source for this piece of news?

Its on WWE.com. This is his 3rd violation but only 2nd of the wellness policy.

Theo I am like you, I too am getting back into wrestling but I think for a different reason. I feel like WWE is starting to enter 1994 again. But in 1994, WWE was pushed and forced to make changes, not sure if they will make the leap again.

By 1994, I mean it was at a point that that WWF billed as the new generation. They billed it because their hand was forced. Hogan and Flair had left already, Macho Man was next to go. All their big stars were leaving for WCW and then we saw the push of Bret Hart (albeit for 3 years), Shawn Michaels, Austin, HHH and Rock just entered in 1996. I got to see the Attitude Era from start to finish and the coolest thing was I go to see the growth of these legends.

I see as us at the same point but WWE making the same old mistakes. The WWE title, should always remain the focus of the show barring extenuating circumstances like Cena-Rock, Cena-Lesnar...not Cena-Big Show #53. The crowd is connecting with guys like Punk and Bryan but if you treat their feud like mid-card, then that is how they will be treated. The opening segment of RAW should be Punk, not Big Show rehashing the same speech he does every show. If this persists and they keep shoving Cena down our throat then I think all those fans that came back post Mania like myself will leave again.

Rana

Orton will be a huge loss! there is hardly anything cool on Smackdown!

Im guessing Stone Cold will be returning very soon because of his mention on WWE.com to come and face upto John Laurinitus. Should be great to have him back.

Just need Brock Lesnar, thats all. He is more than enough to carry the company.

Theo_14

Watched bits and bobs of Smackdown.

Sin Cara returned after a horrible knee injury he suffered. I'm glad he has returned, the smackdown roster needed a breath of fresh air and although Sin Cara hasn't shown his abilities at a consistent level, he's a better option then any other superstars right now in the roster.

There was extra pressure on him after the botches he made last year - the entrance has changed slightly so it's less complicated, overall a decent comeback... However everyone's anticipating Rey's soon to be comeback.

Ryback once again faced rookies, getting quite emberassing and boring now.

Amir

Yeah and the worst part is how the commentators play it up like its a big surprise. They are jobbers man, you don't think fans can't tell?!?!?

Also Rey has one more run left in him. In fact, he recently got his contract extended just for the time he has been off but many in the company are getting tired with him now cause he always injured. I think they want to do their dream match of Rey vs Cara at Wrestlemania. Try to transition Cara to be the new Rey but Cara gets injured too often too.

Rana

Rey Mysterio v Sin Cara can be a great fued.

James

Seriously just offer Lesnar all the superfoods, steroids, main events and millions that he wants. He can carry the belt as love-to-hate heel/monster wrestler for many months, while they sort the rest of the roster out.

I remember in late 2003, Lesnar was thriving as the above and had a great little feud with Benoit. The WWE title was frequently up for grabs on Smackdown, and this seemed entirely credible - it could have changed hands in a four-star match at any time. (Lesnar's bizarre Hardcore Holly and Goldberg feuds, and a general decline in writing, ruined things of course.) Anyway, Brock comfortably carried Smackdown then and he can light up Raw now.

King_Rizzy

I agree. That was a period when I enjoyed SmackDown more than Raw. Heck, I enjoyed SmackDown more than Raw up until the beginning of 2011.

Lesnar I don't think, regardless of the amount of money you offer him, will be on the road like the rest of the wrestlers because he can't handle it, the reason why he quit WWE the first time around.

Rana

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I agree. That was a period when I enjoyed SmackDown more than Raw. Heck, I enjoyed SmackDown more than Raw up until the beginning of 2011.

Lesnar I don't think, regardless of the amount of money you offer him, will be on the road like the rest of the wrestlers because he can't handle it, the reason why he quit WWE the first time around.

If the right money is available i guess he will be on any road. He gets paid big for acting, not seriously injuring himself.

Bilal7

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Goldberg? Goldberg for me was average. He had a bit of a look, which WCW used and made him into an icon due to his long long undefeated streak. In the ring I didn't think he was all that good, and was OK on the mic.

I agree though, around a year and a half ago, I enjoyed SmackDown more than Raw, but since the start of 2011, SD has just gone down the toilet, I find it boring now, I just watch it out of habit now. Raw is average, we keep seeing the same feuds with the same old storylines and it's too predictable.

They need something fresh.

William Regal thought this he was average too. He decided to try and out-wrestle Goldberg in a match.....

It turned out that GB could actually wrestle.

James

Goldberg had like four moves.

Bilal7

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Goldberg had like four moves.

Correction:

He was billed as a monster who had four moves. The guy could really wrestle when he wanted to.

Theo_14

How was Raw last night? Any good?

Amir

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How was Raw last night? Any good?

Other than Punk Kane, no. Really liking where they are going with this. So many layers and AJ just adds to it. I would just youtube that match and its conclusion, I am confused as to where AJ will go. She could really help any of the three competitors.

They finally buried Tensai and Michael Cole got beat up by John Cena despite WWE's stance against bullying.

Theo_14

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Other than Punk Kane, no. Really liking where they are going with this. So many layers and AJ just adds to it. I would just youtube that match and its conclusion, I am confused as to where AJ will go. She could really help any of the three competitors.

They finally buried Tensai and Michael Cole got beat up by John Cena despite WWE's stance against bullying.

Yep, watched the highlights of Raw's last episode. Thought for a minute... Kane had won the title, until I realised the title was not on the line.

AJ's doing a smart job indeed, however that surprise smile to Kane was a bit strange, interesting to see what happens further on.

This Ryback bakwaas is just too much now, how long till he faces a tougher opponent? Good to see Sin Cara back, looks more confident with his moves, and more importantly, he seems more careful. Good stuff.

Vince is back for next week - interesting to see what happens.

SAF

Havent watched raw since the last ppv with lesnar..im so happy its getting terrible ratings. Vince deserves it

SAF

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I agree. That was a period when I enjoyed SmackDown more than Raw. Heck, I enjoyed SmackDown more than Raw up until the beginning of 2011.

Lesnar I don't think, regardless of the amount of money you offer him, will be on the road like the rest of the wrestlers because he can't handle it, the reason why he quit WWE the first time around.

Smackdown was nice with taker,batista,eddie,mysterio,booker, lashly, henry in the mainevent..the prd with jeff hardy and cm punk around 08/09 was also great..it was a better wrestling show compated to raw

Theo_14

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WWE has big plans in store for Ryback, who has continuously steamrolled enhancement talent since debuting on SmackDown in April.

SuperLuchas.net reports Vince McMahon has notified creative to script Ryback as dominant as possible in future outings. The WWE Chairman is very high on the SmackDown Superstar as he feels he can be his company's version of Bill Goldberg.

Promising.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-vince-mcmahon

Amir

They missed a good opportunity. It is known they are to bury Tensai as they given up getting him over with the crowd. Pointless for Cena to pin him, should have made him come out challenge someone and then Ryback comes out and beats him.

Instead, we get the same old 2 on 1 handicap. At least do it 3 on 1. And how come the two guys always say two is better than one (they cut this promo 3 times now) but do you ever notice how they both never attack together?

Logic....is not part of the "WWE Universe"

Rana

Rhyback's costume doesnt suit him. If WWE want to get him over, then make him wear the black truncks like Austin, Rock and Goldberg. Needs to deliver a promo and also now has to bury Swagger and Ziegler, R-truth and Kofi, Hunico and kamacho and other double jobbers!

Amir

Not Ziggler. He is on his way up. Summerslam I think he will be havign a big match. R-Truth is tag champ, stupid to bury him plus he is face and so is Ryback thus far. Maybe they can do a 2-on-1 handicap match with Little Jimmy involved

Rana

Nowadays, whenever i think of wrestling, the fist thing that comes into my head is the face of vicky guerero and Jack Swagger. Its due to the exposure this guy has had and the fact that because of all this exposure and he still doesnt manage to get over like many stars now is the failure of the management.

There where a number of great wrestlers in the Attitude Era who would have been hall of famers by now had they been given as much exposure as these flops....

Jack Swagger
Kofi Kingston
R Truth
The Miz
Zack Ryder

Amir

They have to give change Swagger's character. Its just boring. He can wrestle as he showed in ECW and get rid of that awful hair cut. They need to make him bit more of a power house, rather than losing to everybody.

Kofi is not flop. Lol, I don't think you understand what a flop is. Kofi is over with the crowd. Gets one of teh largest pops despite not being in the ME. The guy rules the tag division and its a good spot for him because he has purpose and beefs up the tag division. R-Truth is a good foil to him too high octane guys the crowd loves.

The Miz - yeah I hate him too. I hate his dumb frog face. His promos are all the same and boring. The most see blah blah blah, no one really wants to see you. Maybe take him off TV for a bit.

Zack Ryder - face version of Miz. He is a novelty, people only like him cause he an underdog. They should keep him though, use him as a face that gets his butt kicked and helps get over heels. And still connects to the crowd as the underdog. I would have him properly feud with Swagger. But make Swagger not just come out on top, but dominate him to generate heat.

Rana

I just dont see how far you can get with Kofi. He is never going to become the next booker T. R Truth has a better chance because of his style.

Lord Tensai is boooorrrriiiing. He was rubish as Tank Abbot or whatever he has tried.

James

Love the 'Albert' chants during the Tensai matches that are played to the smarter crowds.

Better Raw than usual this week

PB

I still can't believe they messed up the HHH vs Cm Punk feud so bad...

It could have been the greatest storyline in this decade...

It had the ingredients to be just like Austin Vs McMahon...Maybe even better?

Amir

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I just dont see how far you can get with Kofi. He is never going to become the next booker T. R Truth has a better chance because of his style.

Lord Tensai is boooorrrriiiing. He was rubish as Tank Abbot or whatever he has tried.

Kofi does not need to become the next Booker T. People need to realize, that not every superstar needs to achieve world title level to validate their career. If everyone was a main eventer, it would dilute the pool of legends.

Plenty of guys in the business who never were a main eventer but still get real pops like Dusty Rhodes, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Rowdy Roddy Piper or Sabu (ECW champ but nothing in WWE or WCW).

Kofi gets tonnes of pops and crowd are entertainined by him. I don't think there is anyone who has his pops and his crispness when excuting a move. Look at Sin Cara, for every great move, there is one really ugly one in which his opponents have to carry him to make it look good.

SAF

Kofi looked like he was gonna be a star when he feuded with randy..but orton had to cry and whine to vinnie mac because kofi made him look bad over one botch..And ever since that, kofi hasnt really done anything major..

SAF

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Originally Posted by PB

I still can't believe they messed up the HHH vs Cm Punk feud so bad...

It could have been the greatest storyline in this decade...

It had the ingredients to be just like Austin Vs McMahon...Maybe even better?

Nooo. Wwe didnt mess it up, hhh did. That guy cant take it if someone gets too popular too quickly. He's known for burying alot of wrestlers..

Rana

So the HHH and Bock Lesnar fued is about to reignite.

Many theories, either HHH will be challenging Brock or another massive theory is that he will bring back Goldberg to fught him.

James

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Originally Posted by Rana

So the HHH and Bock Lesnar fued is about to reignite.

Many theories, either HHH will be challenging Brock or another massive theory is that he will bring back Goldberg to fught him.

Sounds interesting to me.

Just been watching some of the exciting matches from Jeff Hardy's main event push. I wonder if they could lure Jeff back - a very fine worker at his best, and the fans loved him.

Rana

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Originally Posted by James

Sounds interesting to me.

Just been watching some of the exciting matches from Jeff Hardy's main event push. I wonder if they could lure Jeff back - a very fine worker at his best, and the fans loved him.

Jeff Hardy is probably the best high flying dare devil in the history of the business. If they do bring him back, he will be an ideal way to build up Sin Cara. And what a mouth watering prospect of viewing two aero-dynamic stars battle it out

Rana

The good old WWE is slightly coming back....

Cena was not supposed to cut that promo after getting drilled by Lesnar at extreme rules...

Lesnar appeared at UFC even without permission of WWE...

Brock will be fighting at summer Slam with HHH!

Amir

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Originally Posted by James

Sounds interesting to me.

Just been watching some of the exciting matches from Jeff Hardy's main event push. I wonder if they could lure Jeff back - a very fine worker at his best, and the fans loved him.

The guy is a repeat offender and will only let them down. Last year for TNA he was in the the main event. He showed up drunk/high to the event. They had to cut their MAIN EVENT for a PPV from 20 mins to 30 seconds. Sting and management knew he couldn't continue, so Sting quickly hit his finisher and LITERALLY you could see Sting hold him down for the pin. He tried kicking out but STing had none of it. Despite winning the title, Sting was so disgusted at what just took place.

Hardy is a loose cannon, and with what just happened to another 'franchise' player (Orton), they won't risk trying that again.

Markhor

Been a massive WWE fan, (and a massive fan of Shawn Michaels, one of the greatest ever, if not the greatest although that may be a matter of debate) since the 1990s, I always used to stay up and watch RAW.

I have been very disillusioned with wrestling for the last 4 years. I'm afraid I'm yet another one of those that laments the current state of the WWE, and longs for the 'good old days'. Back then though as a viewer you could really buy into a storyline. You could really buy into the characters who had bags of charisma. Now for the last few years you see an extremely watered down product, as a result of the PG era. You look at the audience now whenever the camera cuts to the crowd - its the same kids with the Cena T-Shirts. If you watch the WWE of old, the fans were so engaged in the action, nowadays there is just a feeling of apathy amongst the fans. Some of the ovations some wrestlers got would almost blow the roof off.

Now Cena is probably the most debated character right now, turn him heel/dispose of him etc. Its clear the WWE thinks he is their man for the considerable future. He's the one that shifts the merchandise. I do respect Cena for working extremely hard, he is a dedicated person who has a passion for his job - but his move set is limited - or at least he needs someone like an HBK, or a Chris Jericho, or a Randy Orton to work off. The 'Super Cena' gimmick is extremely stale.

Its just not realistic - he gets the holy heck beaten out of him for 20 mins, then the 5 moves of doom come along and he wins. Cena actually was tolerable until about 2008 - then his character really began to become stale, to the point of extreme tedium. The best wrestlers are unpredictable, you just never know what they will do next. I watched Cena's old character, Dr Thuganomics etc. and he was a decent heel. He should have been turned heel long ago - but hasn't.

The WWE was also at its best when it had fierce competition from WCW in the 1990s - now I feel McMahon and the company have grown very complacent. They are happy to serve up crap knowing the same saps will turn up to the arena, tune in because there is no other brand to turn to.

Also my greatest memories of matches were when the duo of Jim Ross and Jerry Lawler were commentating. JR is one of a kind - GOOD GAWD ALMIGHTY !!! Now apparently Michael Cole is some sort of 'heel commentator', and even Booker T is now commentating. Not a patch on Gorilla Monsoon-Bobby Heenan or JR-King.

What on earth has happened to Kane over the years ? An absolutely fearsome character, now seems to be beaten up at will, even by mid-card, lower-card wrestlers. Apparently he has the mask on, but I'm not sure whether the WWE can even come close to replicating the Kane of old.

The constant changing of WWE champions also is infuriating. It should be a title that should be the centrepiece of a wrestler's achievements, a culmination of their entire career and should mean something. But that effect is totally diluted because title changes hands almost every few weeks.

I haven't watched in ages now so I may be behind on a few things here so forgive me if I'm out of date on a few points.