no N-deal for pakistan but for india

[suhaib]

why did india get the N-deal by bush but not pakistan?

[Slugger]

are you joking? you must be kidding...you are aren't you? you're joking rite? you're kidding me rite? you must be...

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by suhaibonline why did india get the N-deal by bush but not pakistan?

Maybe Musharaf needs to try harder next time?

[peridot]

Originally Posted by Slugger are you joking? you must be kidding...you are aren't you? you're joking rite? you're kidding me rite? you must be...

No hes serious..............

[Muddaser]

India has 16 N-Plants while we have 2 at present.

That says it all.

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Oxy™ Maybe Musharaf needs to try harder next time?

Its not goin to help..not that its a big deal anyways..india shudnt have signed it either..dont trust these Americans..wen will indian leaders realize that americans need us more than we need them!

[Slugger]

the fact that under the marshall plan in '57 we got a cement factory while they got a nuclear power plant says it all...

plus we've got a terrorist problem...pakistan can't even hold on to its terroritories and cities...miramshah had fallen to terrorists for 1 nite...

we've got a dictatorship while they've got a democracy

we've got political instability

we've got sectarian violence...

we've isolated ourselves in the international community

our politicians are lazy and corrupt

[Slugger]

Originally Posted by jusarrived Its not goin to help..not that its a big deal anyways..india shudnt have signed it either..dont trust these Americans..wen will indian leaders realize that americans need us more than we need them!

yet in LOC bollywood guys called us white people suck ups

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Slugger yet in LOC bollywood guys called us white people suck ups

Do u blame Bollywood for that....don u think pakistan has been used by outside powers for too long...my point is ,I don want india to commit the same mistakes pakistan has been doin!

[Slugger]

India is a way bigger suck up to the states than Pakistan

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Slugger India is a way bigger suck up to the states than Pakistan

lets not make this ugly..but india is too big a country to play second fiddle to any country...n with regards to US u must have forgotten india was on russia's ally during cold war n relations have only improved n last couple of years!

[Slugger]

Originally Posted by jusarrived lets not make this ugly..but india is too big a country to play second fiddle to any country...n with regards to US u must have forgotten india was on russia's ally during cold war n relations have only improved n last couple of years!

ugly? truth hurts buddy...i'm not making this ugly these are facts...

ya it's admirable how hard India is working for itself and its own people and ya that involves sucking up...and oh India has been a states palto since it was created and they haven't been friends for just the last few years...

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Slugger ugly? truth hurts buddy...i'm not making this ugly these are facts... ya it's admirable how hard India is working for itself and its own people and ya that involves sucking up...and oh India has been a states palto since it was created and they haven't been friends for just the last few years...

u don know much history !do you?

its just your hatred towards india n ur frustaration speakin !

[Slugger]

Originally Posted by jusarrived u don know much history !do you? its just your hatred towards india n ur frustaration speakin !

riiiiitteeee...a person that has spent about 800 hours in history courses and spent another 500 hours in personal research in history knows nothing...

uh huh...ya you keep believing that and making presumptious baseless assumptions... but just some examples to prove India is a bigger suck up

1) India got a nuclear plant in '57 under the marshall plan while Pakistan got a cement factor!
2) India has much larger and active lobbies in Canada and USA
3) USA is funding a nation-wide bullet train system in India, Japanese engineers are building it
4) USA has offered many economic incentives to India which has lead to the development of your IT and pharmaceutical industries
5) USA has signed extensive and generous space research technology cooperation
6) USA has signed many cooperative treaties for technological and scientific research.
7) USA has offered much defence equipment to India over the years. Recently the states offered to sell India F-18s while Pakistan gets F-16s. On the same note Pakistan never received any of the F-16s nor the parts of F-16s it paid for during the early 90s, late 80s. The cash was NOT returned.
8) When both countries conducted nuclear tests...Pakistan got economic sanctions and international isolations slapped on it while India was allowed to roam free and was hailed for its scientific advancement.
9) The states has provided funds and continues to do so for infrastructure development in India in billions of dollars which has lead to your robust 7-8% GDP growth levels due to the outsourcing industries of IT, call centres and pharmaceuticals. While Pakistan received an aid package of $3 billion dollars in 2004 to be paid over the next 5 years! which is a measly $0.6 billion a year. Plus 55% of the total amount MUST be spent on buying defence stuff from the USA but oh ...it can't be any of that advanced stuff that India's getting...
10) Oh and in '99 your then pm went to clinton pulled a monica and the next day clinton calls up nawaz sharif to ask him to get his troops out of kargil...as opposed to '71 when as you "CLAIM" in the midst of the cold war when India was on Russia's "side" the states kept saying they were coming to help pakistan they were coming they were coming...but they never came...they didn't do anything!
11) Recent very lucrative Nuclear deal!

You know what the real deal is? I'm sick and tired of hearing that Pakistan is the bigger suck up from Indians while Pakistan has to foote the bill of helping the states in "the long war" which is costing us billions of US dollars and in return gets relatively nothing while India has to do nothing and is getting buckets and buckets of gold pouring in.

Oh not to mention India wasn't bullied to accept 10s of millions of Afghan refugees and to give them passports and now these guys are bookies...drug dealers and travelling the world spewing up trouble with a pak passport.

Oh and just so you know when India was on Russia's "side" during the cold war...both the USSR and the US COMPETED to influence India there is clear evidence of both sides pouring in aid...money...equipment and technology and they still do! India still has terrific relationships with Russia and the US. Even though India had socialistic policies while Pakistan was a cold hard capitalist economy. Pakistan got nothing...

Good Day

[Nauman]

US - India relations are quite mature, they have been allies for over 50 years now as compared to Pakistan where Pak - US relations are pre-mature besides there are hardly any relations between Pak and US whatever relations Pakistan talks about are the relations between Bush and Mush.

[qrtiso]

I don't know why you guys are arguing about who is a suckup etc. The world is built on cooperation folks.

[the Great Khan]

forget the US ...we should go full speed and solidify our relationship wih Chian..I believev thats what Mush did when he went over there...they are going to help us with our civilian nuke program and defence needs...the US will drop us like a brick again and we need to be ready....the future is with china and the yanks just want to make India a power to counter it....ultimaltey the Titanic that is the USA will sink but we've got to make sure we're in the life botas not stuck on deck twiddling our thumbs!!

[Ayubi]

Goes to show Mush-Bush dosti aint achieving much for Pakistan

[Aurangzeb]

the US wants pakistan to hand over AQ khan for interrogation (for smoking gun evidence on Iran's nuclear aspirations)...mushy has refused so the US is getting really cozy with india to screw us over...its basically blackmail...pakistan has offered low level scientists and such but the US demands AQ khan...

[hussain_0216]

These kaffir just want to use us, they will throw us a bone when we slaughter our people for them.....

we got to wise up, and need to sort these things out for ourselves, all kaffir are the same..

we need to build better and closer ties and stop attackign each other and other muslims and utilise the strengths and numbers we have.

We already are a superpower we just dont know it.

[Slugger]

Originally Posted by hussain0216 These kaffir just want to use us, they will throw us a bone when we slaughter our people for them..... we got to wise up, and need to sort these things out for ourselves, all kaffir are the same.. we need to build better and closer ties and stop attackign each other and other muslims and utilise the strengths and numbers we have. We already are a superpower we just dont know it.

superpower?! hahahahahahahaha we don't even make the food we eat! the clothes we wear


rite they're all the same...that's why tehy have let you into their country

[hussain_0216]

Let me tell you something the powerfullest weapon Muslims have ever had is Islam and the Quran.

We were the empire of faith, islam spreads was based upon the zeal of the faithfull.

our decline came when we began to replace islam with innovations we divided ourselvs, we became smaller empuires looking for money and lands and power, we became no different to anyone else.

I belive this to be destiny, and I belive that the empire of faith will rise again, once muslims leanr to unite, this may take thousands of years but it is destined to occur.



Power goes around in circles and our time will come again.



Once muslims unite the Ummah will rise, THE GREATEST WEAPON THE UMMAH WILL HAVE is the presence of millions upon millions upon millions of loyal and faithfull muslims in the heart of the west and kaffir lands.

[Amir]

Our children bowled Bush down with their thunderous pace, meanwhile Indians medium pacer Bush had no problem paying

[suhaib]

hussain0216 i must say you are a joker a big joker a big big joker a big big big joker.

you also sound like one of those persons which merc posted an artcle about few days ago about that guy who was caught in pakistan and now has returned to uk.

now go ahead and call me a kaffir.

[hussain_0216]

Yeah and you sound like a loser who's entire outlook on life has been guided by everything in society from the media to the politicians to the kaffir. To the extent where you without thinking just shoot down any attempt by muslims to look at each other as ONE..........


Im not against advancement or improvement, im for muslims understanding where our loyalty lies, who we are regardless of where we come from.

You seem to have forgotten that, to you its loyalty to every nation, every people, to money the kaffir, Bush, Nationalism and then you mention you happen to be muslims.


Yeah thanks alot.

[Slugger]

Originally Posted by hussain0216 Let me tell you something the powerfullest weapon Muslims have ever had is Islam and the Quran. We were the empire of faith, islam spreads was based upon the zeal of the faithfull. our decline came when we began to replace islam with innovations we divided ourselvs, we became smaller empuires looking for money and lands and power, we became no different to anyone else. I belive this to be destiny, and I belive that the empire of faith will rise again, once muslims leanr to unite, this may take thousands of years but it is destined to occur. Power goes around in circles and our time will come again. Once muslims unite the Ummah will rise, THE GREATEST WEAPON THE UMMAH WILL HAVE is the presence of millions upon millions upon millions of loyal and faithfull muslims in the heart of the west and kaffir lands.

so you're saying our decline was due to our scientific advancements?

yes yes...destined to occur...why do we have brains if everything is already destined?

do you ever listen to youself talk? or read what you write?

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by Slugger so you're saying our decline was due to our scientific advancements? yes yes...destined to occur...why do we have brains if everything is already destined? do you ever listen to youself talk? or read what you write?

I dont think he said that. By innovations, he meant adding things to Islam

[Slugger]

don't speak for him...i think he means scientific advancements

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by Slugger don't speak for him...i think he means scientific advancements

Its wrong to put words in people's mouths and assume they meant something when theres no real indication that they really said that.

[Hash]

Pakistan has been on its own throughout its history. We have survived and will continue to survive. We don't need any pathetic deal with the Americans who we constantly bend our backs backwards for. Just wish we never got involved with the Afghan conflict with USSR. THAT HELL HOLE OF A COUNTRY IS DESTORYING US.

[UJ]

Considering the sectarian violence in Pakistan it seems understandable that there no deal for Pakistan

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by hussain0216 Yeah and you sound like a loser who's entire outlook on life has been guided by everything in society from the media to the politicians to the kaffir. To the extent where you without thinking just shoot down any attempt by muslims to look at each other as ONE..........

ye my life has been guided by the society but what has your life by guided by, bin laden? maula omar? taliban?

Im not against advancement or improvement, im for muslims understanding where our loyalty lies, who we are regardless of where we come from.

maulana bomber saab before talking about us understanding our loyaltys maybe you need to understand your self.

calling everyone a kaffir is not being loyal nor is making a bomb, nor is training young people to be terroists.

so fix yourself before talking about others.

You seem to have forgotten that, to you its loyalty to every nation, every people, to money the kaffir, Bush, Nationalism and then you mention you happen to be muslims. Yeah thanks alot.

mr bomber, a country makes decisions for its own interest whether it with muslims, hindus or chirstians.


btw. have you got any information on ther next terroist attack.

[hussain_0216]

My life is guided by Islam, I may not be the greatest muslim in the world but I love my faith immensly.

Also By innovation I DID NOT mean scientific advancements I think we should make such advancements whenever and whereever we can innovations is innovations to islam and to our selves, replacing islam with things like nationalism, communialism, culture thats innovation.......



Anyone who thinks that 1.5 Billions people spread across the planet and growing ever larger which have vital respurces on their lands ISNT A SUPERPOWER WAITING TO HAPPEN then you are confused.



Islam will always grow, This is destiny....




we still have to use our brains to achive our destiny, to achive success......


So lets stop whining and do it.... and I have to idea why you people dont get that over 1.5 Billion people spread across the planet, with a powerfull central ideology and the most conversionery aith in the world with so many of the worlds resources isnt the basis of a dominating world superpower.

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Slugger riiiiitteeee...a person that has spent about 800 hours in history courses and spent another 500 hours in personal research in history knows nothing... uh huh...ya you keep believing that and making presumptious baseless assumptions... but just some examples to prove India is a bigger suck up 1) India got a nuclear plant in '57 under the marshall plan while Pakistan got a cement factor! 2) India has much larger and active lobbies in Canada and USA 3) USA is funding a nation-wide bullet train system in India, Japanese engineers are building it 4) USA has offered many economic incentives to India which has lead to the development of your IT and pharmaceutical industries 5) USA has signed extensive and generous space research technology cooperation 6) USA has signed many cooperative treaties for technological and scientific research. 7) USA has offered much defence equipment to India over the years. Recently the states offered to sell India F-18s while Pakistan gets F-16s. On the same note Pakistan never received any of the F-16s nor the parts of F-16s it paid for during the early 90s, late 80s. The cash was NOT returned. 8) When both countries conducted nuclear tests...Pakistan got economic sanctions and international isolations slapped on it while India was allowed to roam free and was hailed for its scientific advancement. 9) The states has provided funds and continues to do so for infrastructure development in India in billions of dollars which has lead to your robust 7-8% GDP growth levels due to the outsourcing industries of IT, call centres and pharmaceuticals. While Pakistan received an aid package of $3 billion dollars in 2004 to be paid over the next 5 years! which is a measly $0.6 billion a year. Plus 55% of the total amount MUST be spent on buying defence stuff from the USA but oh ...it can't be any of that advanced stuff that India's getting... 10) Oh and in '99 your then pm went to clinton pulled a monica and the next day clinton calls up nawaz sharif to ask him to get his troops out of kargil...as opposed to '71 when as you "CLAIM" in the midst of the cold war when India was on Russia's "side" the states kept saying they were coming to help pakistan they were coming they were coming...but they never came...they didn't do anything! 11) Recent very lucrative Nuclear deal! You know what the real deal is? I'm sick and tired of hearing that Pakistan is the bigger suck up from Indians while Pakistan has to foote the bill of helping the states in "the long war" which is costing us billions of US dollars and in return gets relatively nothing while India has to do nothing and is getting buckets and buckets of gold pouring in. Oh not to mention India wasn't bullied to accept 10s of millions of Afghan refugees and to give them passports and now these guys are bookies...drug dealers and travelling the world spewing up trouble with a pak passport. Oh and just so you know when India was on Russia's "side" during the cold war...both the USSR and the US COMPETED to influence India there is clear evidence of both sides pouring in aid...money...equipment and technology and they still do! India still has terrific relationships with Russia and the US. Even though India had socialistic policies while Pakistan was a cold hard capitalist economy. Pakistan got nothing... Good Day

india isnt reciving aid from any country in the world..n according to world bank we are officially a 'donar' country now!


There is a difference btw mutual co-operation n getting monetry aid...its just two different foregin policies india n pakistan adopted...while indians chose to coloborate with US russia n other developed states in areas of technology education etc ,pakistans foregin policy has been to very short sighted ..will never know why it had been eager to do favours for these big powers.

Indian IT or pharma sector has never been helped by americans or any other country..its just the stress our policy makers gave to education that we are reaping the benifits now..infact its the american companies which are adopting the indian model of contract delivery...The IBM's ,Accentures n ciscos have no option but to hire indians ,not bcos india is americas ally n war against terror but bcos i can proudly say'we indians are the finest brains on earth'..its either hire us or have the infosys tcs n wipros sscrew ur topline!

we have atleat 1500 employes from countries like US working in our company working for salaries as low as 25,000 RS ...there are close to 2lac ppl n bangalore alone ..like i have said earlier,the developed countries need us more than we need them..gone wer the days wen indians wud have to fly to US Or europe lookin for jobs or studies...my dream is to see a day wen getting an indian visa will be difficult,a day wen 1 rupee will be valued 40$...no country nor pakistan or even US can stop us from reaching our goal..its up to pakistan weather it wants to take advantage of indias growth or continue to be a minor bottelneck for us!

[Aurangzeb]

india's growth my a55...these states use you for you cheap labour...once you hike your prices they'll go to chittagong for all they care...IT is not location specific...and yeah...keep on dreaming...

[jusarrived]

Originally Posted by Aurangzeb india's growth my a55...these states use you for you cheap labour...once you hike your prices they'll go to chittagong for all they care...IT is not location specific...and yeah...keep on dreaming...

cheap labour??? u don know the diff btw call centers n IT..you wudnt say this if u knew abt the technologies which are being built here...n we don need any one to come to us...Bangalore alone has close to 2000 home grown companies which arnt goin any where...nece way to console your self!

[Aurangzeb]

Originally Posted by jusarrived cheap labour??? u don know the diff btw call centers n IT..you wudnt say this if u knew abt the technologies which are being built here...n we don need any one to come to us...Bangalore alone has close to 2000 home grown companies which arnt goin any where...nece way to console your self!

chalo theek hai...india is a superpower...you have absolutely zero poverty and no seccesionist violence...you also have the best looking people in the entire world ...now stop crying...

[Amir]

My life is guided by Islam, I may not be the greatest muslim in the world but I love my faith immensly.

Doesn't it say in Islam that one should respect all thy neighbours?

Islam will always grow, This is destiny....

Islam will always grow, but does it have enough time? By this I mean, we are nearing Qiyamat. Big buildings, corrupt leaders, fighting amongst ourselves. Only thing left in this world now is that we waiting for the day when Saudi Arabia is to be attacked. The day that happens, I believe Qayamat will appear before us and frankly with todays oil that can happen anytime within the next 10-50 years.

With a desperate America, a Newly established super power China, India growing, its only a matter of time before oil will become the currency of war, and as I see it, where will these wars be fought? Where the oil is, in the middle east. They already buried Afghanistan, and Iraq. Iran is next ,and slowly they will make their way to Saudi Arabia, the day that happens Qayamat will occur.

So I agree, Islam will always grow, but is there enough time in this life time to see it take over the world like it once did?

[Hussain]

Amir ,

qyamat will only come when the guided one (Mehdi) will take over the whole world .......
so Islam will once again become a dominant force




as for Pakistan vs India

we cant compare ourselves with India at the moment ......... since it is about 4-5 times bigger than us
we should at this moment in time look at our selves and try to keep on improving as much as we can ..perhaps one day we can be in a position to topple India and China tpo become a regional power

[Salman]

& i thought this thread was about Nike being the Indian sponser....