Pakistan Rejects Afghan Request to Rename Her Missiles

[Hussain]

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Pakistan has said it will not rename some of its missiles, despite objections from Kabul which says Afghan heroes' names are being misused.

A spokeswoman in Islamabad said the two countries shared heroes as part of their common history and culture.

Afghan Information Minister Sayed Makhdum Rahin had asked Islamabad not to link Afghan rulers' names with "tools of destruction and killing". rolleyes.gif

The missiles are named after Muslim conquerors who defeated Hindu rulers.

The Ghauri, Ghaznawi and Abdali ballistic missiles - capable of carrying nuclear warheads - were developed by Pakistan to counter the threat posed by its arch-rival India's nuclear arsenal.

The missiles are a source of national pride in Pakistan. 9.gif

The Muslim conquerors they are named after won battles between the 11th and 18th centuries and governed parts of what is now Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. 1.gif

Tasneem Aslam, Pakistan's foreign office spokeswoman, said Islamabad had received no official request from the Afghan authorities to change the names of the missiles.

She said the Muslim conquerors were heroes in both countries and naming missiles after them was not controversial.

The grave of one of the conquerors, Ghauri, was in Pakistan's Punjab province and so to say they were solely Afghan heroes was not correct, Ms Aslam added.

Mr Rahin said on Wednesday he had sent a letter to Islamabad asking for the missile names to be changed.

"Their names should be bracketed with academic, cultural and peace-promoting institutions, not with tools of destruction and killing," he said.

"World-famous Afghans, like [Mahmud] Ghaznawi, [Ahmad Shah] Abdali and [Shahabuddin] Ghauri, had spread knowledge and civilisation from Afghanistan to the sub-continent of India.


Only last week, Pakistan tested the short range surface-to-surface ballistic missile, the Haft-II Abdali, named after the founder of the powerful Durrani dynasty, which helped shape modern Afghanistan.

The Ghauri missile, designed to threaten major cities across India, is named after Mohammed Ghauri, who in 1192 defeated a Rajput Hindu king near to where the Pakistan-India border now runs.

The Ghaznavid missile is named after Mahmud Ghaznavi, who was never defeated on the battlefield, and conquered Punjab in 1021. 1.gif

Mr Rahin said Pakistan was welcome to use the names for peaceful things like monuments and conference rooms.

The BBC's Mark Dummet in Kabul says that many Afghans believe Pakistan interferes too much in its internal affairs.

Relations have been damaged by the presence of Taleban and al-Qaeda-led militants in the Pashtun tribal areas on both sides of the border.

Last week Afghan President Hamid Karzai visited Islamabad to urge Pakistan do more to crack down on the militants.

[Hash]

Afghanistan should keep their filthy mouths shut. We can name our missiles whatever the hell we want to name them. If they have a problem then let's see them even try to do something about it. Honestly if there was one country in the world which could be wiped off the map......for me it would be Afghanistan. Half of Pakistan's problems would end for a start.

[MecnunK]

So these guys went round on conquests , warring and conquering lands but their names should be associated with peace and harmony, academic, cultural and peace-promoting institutions. An interesting perspective to say the least.

[Aurangzeb]

that's strange...this poor excuse of a country is infested with warlords who go around killing civilians...the entire history of this country has been violent...when they weren't fighting occupation they were killing eachother...and now this american colony has a nerve to ask us to change the name of our missiles to something peaceful? if they don't like it, they can come and attack us with their 1st generation kalashnikovs...hopeless fools...

although if we do make a new missile, we should name it: AFRIDI
it would scare the sht out of indians...ahahahahaha

[Waseem]

Afghan Information Minister Sayed Makhdum Rahin had asked Islamabad not to link Afghan rulers' names with "tools of destruction and killing".

OMG, is this guy being serious there
"Afghan rulers names cannot be linked with tools of destruction.....", thanks for the good laugh
Lagta hai India ki goud main baith k inko zyaada hi baatein karni aa gayi hain
( NOTE: Strangely enough, Indians have been demanding for the same thing all this time )

It's funny when we hear these kind of things from Afghans, i heard some Afghan saying " Pakistan needs to do more to fight terrorism" etc ect

[Daoud]

Hah, what tools. Guys like Ghaznavi were such pacifists and culturally refined that we should associate their names with cultural things. Who are they trying to kid. These guys really dont know when to shut up

[alybaba]

Why are we naming missiles after Arab and Persian invaders who raped and pillaged our ancestors anyways?

[tahaqureshi]

Originally Posted by alybaba Why are we naming missiles after Arab and Persian invaders who raped and pillaged our ancestors anyways?

Excuse me?? You're calling the aforementioned people of history rapists?

[MIG]

Maybe we should rename them to things like "Namak Haram" and fire it on these ingrates....

[Waseem]

Maybe we should rename them to things like "Namak Haram" and fire it on these ingrates....

That's a brilliant idea.....

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen Maybe we should rename them to things like "Namak Haram" and fire it on these ingrates....

I'd never have thought of a suggestion like that from you

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Daoud I'd never have thought of a suggestion like that from you

Wolrd peace and inner peace are different things...

[HAFRIDI]

Afghans at it again...

BERLIN: Al Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden is living in Pakistan while Islamabad’s efforts to arrest him can at best be described as “half hearted”, Afghanistan’s foreign minister was quoted as saying on Saturday.

“According to all that we know, he actually is living in Pakistan, close to the Afghan border,” Rangeen Dadfar Spanta was quoted as telling Germany’s Bild am Sonntag newspaper in a preview of an interview due to published in its entirety on Sunday. “Our neighbour could surely catch him and put him on trial,” he told the paper, adding that “attempts to do this have to our knowledge always been half-hearted”.

However, the Pakistani Foreign Office said that no one had any information regarding the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, or if he were dead or alive.

“If the Afghan authorities have any information, they should share them with the Pakistan government,” Foreign Office spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam told a private television channel on Saturday. Agencies

[Daoud]

What a lovely country they are. Maybe we should get our opium and kaleshnikovs from another source and we'll see how they'll survive

[UJ]

Ha what a joke he is!

[safehands46]

I say bin laden shaved his beard and is actually dating bushs daughter. So far thats the most the cia came up with.

[Hussain]

perhaps sealing our borders and breaking off all sorts of economic ties with Afghanistan will tell them how much those pig headed creatures depend on us


NO Karzai NO you may not dictate terms to us

[HAFRIDI]

err licking our a $$ now ehhh...

The Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta said on Friday that his Government would never allow a third country to carry out anti-Pakistan activities from its soil.

"That is a commitment my Government gives to the people of Pakistan," Mr. Spanta said with the Pakistan Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri here after their meeting here.

He was responding to a question on Pakistani allegations of covert Indian support to anti-Pakistan elements from Afghanistan.

Mr. Spanta is on his first visit to Pakistan, following an invitation from Mr. Kasuri when they met at the Organisation of Islamic Countries Foreign Ministers conference in Baku, Azerbaijan. He also met President Pervez Musharraf.

His visit comes after Kabul and Islamabad traded charges over the worsening situation in southern Afghanistan. The Hamid Karzai Government has accused Pakistan of allowing and helping the Taliban to launch attacks in Afghanistan. Pakistan has denied the allegations but said Afghanistan was allowing its territory to be used by India to provide assistance to the Balochistan insurgency.

The Afghanistan Foreign Minister said his Government had friendly relations with both countries. He hoped the "disturbances and tense relations" between Islamabad and New Delhi would not affect his country's ties with Pakistan.

Mr. Kasuri said Pakistan had a "special" relationship with Afghanistan owing to a shared culture, ethnicity, religion and "other common roots

[Schiller]

Take back your refugees first then go English on us regarding missiles.

[Daoud]

Mr. Kasuri said Pakistan had a "special" relationship with Afghanistan owing to a shared culture, ethnicity, religion and "other common roots

So is that goat polo thing also popular in Pakistan?

[Schiller]

never liked afghanis and such pettiness furthers that dislike by a few miles.

Like Sufi said, what harmony and peace?

More importantly, where do they get the time to think of these things?

[Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar]

tsk tsk... whatever happened to Muslim brotherhood? so sad... oh wait, maybe it never existed unless it gave some covert benefit to the parties involved? in the end, everyone's out for themselves.

if that wasn't the case, would we have afflicted the kind of pain that we inflicted on the Bangladeshis? would Ameer-ul-Momineen Hazrat Zia-ul-haq (rehmtullah) have bombed his Palestinian Muslim brothers while fighting multiple jihads in Kashmir, Afghanistan and Indian Punjab against the infidels?

our Pakistani walks around with the weight of the whole so-called Muslim world on his shoulders. the sooner he reconciles himself to the fact that he is a Pakistani first and then anything else, the better off both he and his country will be. the rest of the world sees him only as a Pakistani and it'd be good for our sake if we concentrated on that for a change...

there's more to being a Pakistani that just supporting the cricket team.

[Invictus]

our Pakistani walks around with the weight of the whole so-called Muslim world on his shoulders. the sooner he reconciles himself to the fact that he is a Pakistani first and then anything else, the better off both he and his country will be. the rest of the world sees him only as a Pakistani and it'd be good for our sake if we concentrated on that for a change...

If we could do that half of the crap Pakistan deals with today wont be there. There is no ummah. If there ever was one it died a peaceful death somewhere around the second world war.
I seriously dont care what the "Afghanistan Government" says. They have no power or writ beyond Kabul. Karzai is a paid agent of the CIA and lived a good part of his life first in Pakistan recruting for CIA and then in states running a resturant chain. The rest like Abdullah Abdullah are heavily influenced by the Indians and RAW. Since they were trained and supported by Indians during the Taliban days.

[ShowStopper]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen Maybe we should rename them to things like "Namak Haram" and fire it on these ingrates....

[i m gr8]

In Recent times this Afghanistan is just starting to bug Pakistan more and more ... bauhat lambi zubaan ho gaee hai in ki .... They better should keep shut and solve their own problems , There hasnt been a month lately when they havent said anything against Pakistan !

[Gasherbrum]

Originally Posted by i m gr8 There hasnt been a month lately when they havent said anything against Pakistan !

constant whining complete with lunar cycles.
no points for guessing the nation's gender.

[Schiller]

Originally Posted by Gasherbrum constant whining complete with lunar cycles. no points for guessing the nation's gender.

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by Hash Afghanistan should keep their filthy mouths shut. We can name our missiles whatever the hell we want to name them. If they have a problem then let's see them even try to do something about it. Honestly if there was one country in the world which could be wiped off the map......for me it would be Afghanistan. Half of Pakistan's problems would end for a start.

actually these so called heros were notorious plunderers and led genocidal wars on communal lines. one might argue that their names have been aptly used to label weapons of mass destruction. that being said, i feel that after the outcry from the deplorable cartoons depicting Prophet Muhammed, peace be upon him, some cultural sensitivity is the need of the hour.

since the missles are being named along the lines of invaders who forayed deep into india, i think better names would be: Shoaib Akhtar (when fit and match capable), Imran Khan, Waqar Younis, Wasim Akram, Saeed 194 Anwar, and Shahih Kiss your azz goodbye Afridi...

now if this does not get the post of the week award, i doubt much else will (hint hint).

[HAFRIDI]

We are just too nice, i say too nice..
--

A Pakistani development organisation has donated 150,000 schoolbags, containing books, pens and pencils, for Afghan students here on Saturday.

In this connection, a ceremony was held which was attended by chief of the Pakistani organisation Lt Col Salim Akhtar, first secretary at the Afghan Consulate Ezatullah Pakhtun, another official Sayed Nuri Aghan, tribal elders from Chaman and a number of government officials.

The bags were handed over to Afghan officials by Lt Col Salim Akhtar. Speaking on the occasion, Akhtar said they wanted to extend help to Afghan students in their studies.

He said Pakistan had always tried to play its due role in reconstruction of Afghanistan. He pledged to continue the neighbour in its reconstruction.

Official of the Consulate Ezatullah Pakhtun thanked the Pakistani officials for the assistance. He added Pakistan had continued assisting Afghans from time to time.

Ezatullah said they would distribute the schoolbags among students in Ghazni, Maidan Wardak, Logar, Khost, Balkh and Kunduz provinces.

Afghan Consul in Quetta Ahmad Ali Babak also appreciated the donation from Pakistan. He said the neighbouring country should continue such help for Afghanistan. Speaking to Pajhwok Afghan News, Babak said the assistance extended by Pakistan would help the students.
--

Good work Pak

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by HAFRIDI We are just too nice, i say too nice.. -- A Pakistani development organisation has donated 150,000 schoolbags, containing books, pens and pencils, for Afghan students here on Saturday. In this connection, a ceremony was held which was attended by chief of the Pakistani organisation Lt Col Salim Akhtar, first secretary at the Afghan Consulate Ezatullah Pakhtun, another official Sayed Nuri Aghan, tribal elders from Chaman and a number of government officials. The bags were handed over to Afghan officials by Lt Col Salim Akhtar. Speaking on the occasion, Akhtar said they wanted to extend help to Afghan students in their studies. He said Pakistan had always tried to play its due role in reconstruction of Afghanistan. He pledged to continue the neighbour in its reconstruction. Official of the Consulate Ezatullah Pakhtun thanked the Pakistani officials for the assistance. He added Pakistan had continued assisting Afghans from time to time. Ezatullah said they would distribute the schoolbags among students in Ghazni, Maidan Wardak, Logar, Khost, Balkh and Kunduz provinces. Afghan Consul in Quetta Ahmad Ali Babak also appreciated the donation from Pakistan. He said the neighbouring country should continue such help for Afghanistan. Speaking to Pajhwok Afghan News, Babak said the assistance extended by Pakistan would help the students. -- Good work Pak

now that is what i call a rather controversial and provocative statement. from aiding and abetting the taliban to providing safe passage for the opium of the warlords and an inability to reign in the rampant gun market... that is really the mother of all over statements. i think afghanistan needs to strengthen its central government run by hamid karzai and these individual warlords need to be disbanded gradually.

[Jimmy two-times]

[QUOTE=akram_rejuvinated]now that is what i call a rather controversial and provocative statement. from aiding and abetting the taliban to providing safe passage for the opium of the warlords and an inability to reign in the rampant gun market... that is really the mother of all over statements. i think afghanistan needs to strengthen its central government run by hamid karzai and these individual warlords need to be disbanded gradually.[/QUOTE]

India's hands are equally dirty as pakistan and iran in this matter.

Problem with your plan is that raw is using its influence with these warloads to cause problems in baluchistan, so do you really think they will abandon this operation for the sake of stability in afghanistan?

Afghanistan will always be screwed and uncivilized no matter who is charge of that country.

[MIG]

Akram_Rej:

Your consistent anti Pakistani stance is becoming fairly obvious for all to see.

2 choices:

1. Slow down and devote more time to cricketing affairs
2. We find you another home in the cyberworld.

As for the Pak V Afghan relationship - Pakistan hosted and continues to host millions of Afghani Muslims as refugees in our country. Last time India tried that, you HAD to attack East Pakistan. That is the difference that following a religion like Islam makes.

This is why we are a little peeved at the stance of the current Afghan Govt.

[akram_rejuvinated]

[QUOTE=Bulletproof Monk]

Originally Posted by akram_rejuvinated now that is what i call a rather controversial and provocative statement. from aiding and abetting the taliban to providing safe passage for the opium of the warlords and an inability to reign in the rampant gun market... that is really the mother of all over statements. i think afghanistan needs to strengthen its central government run by hamid karzai and these individual warlords need to be disbanded gradually.[/QUOTE] India's hands are equally dirty as pakistan and iran in this matter. Problem with your plan is that raw is using its influence with these warloads to cause problems in baluchistan, so do you really think they will abandon this operation for the sake of stability in afghanistan? Afghanistan will always be screwed and uncivilized no matter who is charge of that country.

dude lets get real. is there any evidence to suggest that RAW is active in Baluchistan? any intercepted intelligence, any espionage agents exposed? any documents seized? any supply chain uncovered? its convinient to blame our own problems on another. Baluchistan is the product of exploitation of its natural resources with an disproportionate amount of spending. a number of developing nations have this problem. The Kurds in Iraq were victims of this exploitation and are hence apprehensive of the Sunni and Shiite dominated government as in the past the Sunni Bathists have often exploited the Kurdish northeast of Iraq for its oil resources will giving it little in exchange. Similarly in Sudan, the south is being exploited by the north with a disproportionate amount of public spending... or is that also the RAW's working?

I aggre that afghanistan is [Edit by Mods: Pls dont use swear words] . it was since the day Soviet Union made its colonist attempts to seize the nation. In fact, Afghanistan is so rural and ancient in its culture that the notion of a single state might not apply. the artificial boundaries of the nation carved out by the colonial powers (britain and russia) dont quite apply to this state. Democracy might never succeed especially with the level to which guns have permeated the society.

While pakistan's assistance to the CIA led alliance in disposing of the Russian is rather commendable and india's assistance for the Russian installed puppet government was deplorable, Pakistan's assistance of the Taliban in the later years has only added to the destabilization of the region. the entire region of afghanistan, parts of tajikistan and the northwestern part of Pakistan especially waziristan is nothing but a region of autonomous warlords who have got a taste of easily accessable guns, and quick dollar from the opium trade. now asking them to renounce that in favor of a concept called democracy is maybe asking too much. but nevertheless, the american presence there is having some success. Infact the americans in afghanistan are a complete departure from those in Iraq. the former are more culturally sensitive, better equipped and trained and above all enjoy greater popularity amongst the locals.

the taliban today is nothing but guns for hire. they are often hired by local warlords to escort their opium across the iranian or pakistani border. assisting these buttheads today might seem like the ideal way of protesting american presence, but tomorrow it will only add to pakistan's woes. the kashmiri insurgency today is becoming a problem for both nations... similarly the taliban tomorrow would resist any attempts by pakistan to reform its northwest.


just as its easy to make me the boogeyman today, its this very ignorance of the facts and blind eye to the possible repercussions of assisting the taliban that will harm pakistan.

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen Akram_Rej: Your consistent anti Pakistani stance is becoming fairly obvious for all to see. 2 choices: 1. Slow down and devote more time to cricketing affairs 2. We find you another home in the cyberworld. As for the Pak V Afghan relationship - Pakistan hosted and continues to host millions of Afghani Muslims as refugees in our country. Last time India tried that, you HAD to attack East Pakistan. That is the difference that following a religion like Islam makes. This is why we are a little peeved at the stance of the current Afghan Govt.

true, and as i said earlier, pakistan's assistance, both moral and material to repulse the russians is commendable; but their current assistance for the taliban, though covert, and against the policy of the its own central government by rogue military generals will only add to future problems. the current afghani government, if it may be called that considering that it controls little beyond kabul is really nothing but vituperations against pakistan for its previous overt support for Taliban (the fact that save for Pakistan, no one else acknowledged the Taliban led government).

as for the renaming the missles, is cultural sensitivity not the need of the hour? especially when danish cartoons can inspire violence? the fact that we protested the dipiction of Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) as a violent suicide bomber with protests lead by suicidal and violent mobs is hypocritical and serves little esle but fuel western misunderstandings and misconceptions regarding Islam.

and yeah, as the the subtle threat... must i make much of it that mere words?

[Jimmy two-times]

checks this thread out:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=21134

I think you have been overdosing too much on nonsense fed to you by news organizations like zee news/star news and fox news.

[Jimmy two-times]

akram can I point out to you that fox news and star news are both owned by the racist, right wing, neo-conservative son of a gun rupert murdoch.

[Hash]

zee and star are both crap compared to Geo

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk akram can I point out to you that fox news and star news are both owned by the racist, right wing, neo-conservative son of a gun rupert murdoch.

true, and i do think rupert murdoch is a soul less bag of skin intent on making money at the expense of other humans, but star news enjoys a certain degree of autonomy from his direct influence, unlike fox news. however, i have not heard star news in over three years so maybe things might have changed. i have heard zee news periodically and it is far superior to any other asian news network.

[MIG]

Originally Posted by akram_rejuvinated true, and as i said earlier, pakistan's assistance, both moral and material to repulse the russians is commendable; but their current assistance for the taliban, though covert, and against the policy of the its own central government by rogue military generals will only add to future problems. the current afghani government, if it may be called that considering that it controls little beyond kabul is really nothing but vituperations against pakistan for its previous overt support for Taliban (the fact that save for Pakistan, no one else acknowledged the Taliban led government). as for the renaming the missles, is cultural sensitivity not the need of the hour? especially when danish cartoons can inspire violence? the fact that we protested the dipiction of Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) as a violent suicide bomber with protests lead by suicidal and violent mobs is hypocritical and serves little esle but fuel western misunderstandings and misconceptions regarding Islam. and yeah, as the the subtle threat... must i make much of it that mere words?

As they say in URDU or Hindi ( whichever you understand ) - "Hoshiaron kay liyay, Ishara hee kafee hai"

The missiles are named to signify our warrior heritage - nothing wrong with that.

[ShowStopper]

Namak Haram aj baat kartai hain. When Russia was on them they came to Pak. Ubbu Jee wo martai hain Maddud karoo.

[Amir_rulez]

jis pyale mai khaya, osi mai ched....!

[Invictus]

[Edit by Mods: Pls dont get personal here - thanks!]

How is printing a cartoon of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) (a prophet of a religion which bans human pictures) in a compromising manner equivalent to naming missiles after warriors/conquerors related. On top of that all or most of the muslim conquerors were either Afghan or came via Afghanistan to India. So Afghanistan/India/Pakistan/Bangladesh do share the same history. Whats next are they gonna ask us to stop wearing Shalwar Kameez?

[MIG]

I think the problem is that this whole thing is inspired by Indian influence on Afghan Govt - this issue with Muslim warriors has always irked the Hindu fanatics - sad to see a "Muslim" govt joining in.

If anything they should be proud that a fellow Muslim country has means of defending themselves.

[ShowStopper]

Originally Posted by Invictus [Edit by Mods: Pls dont get personal here - thanks!] How is printing a cartoon of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) (a prophet of a religion which bans human pictures) in a compromising manner equivalent to naming missiles after warriors/conquerors related. On top of that all or most of the muslim conquerors were either Afghan or came via Afghanistan to India. So Afghanistan/India/Pakistan/Bangladesh do share the same history. Whats next are they gonna ask us to stop wearing Shalwar Kameez?

Will then they should be Men enough to get all their Crap out of Pakistan. Near my place in Pak there are so many of these they have their own villages there.

[Invictus]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen I think the problem is that this whole thing is inspired by Indian influence on Afghan Govt - this issue with Muslim warriors has always irked the Hindu fanatics - sad to see a "Muslim" govt joining in. If anything they should be proud that a fellow Muslim country has means of defending themselves.

MIG did'nt mean to sound like that but this guy got pretty personal did'nt see any of his remarks gettings deleted. Anyway dont wanna sound like a lil girl you make these decisions so I'll let you be the judge.

Regarding naming the missiles its all the Indian influenece. Their word dont mean anything yet. They are there till the Americans are there even now they dont have a writ beyond Kabul.

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen As they say in URDU or Hindi ( whichever you understand ) - "Hoshiaron kay liyay, Ishara hee kafee hai" The missiles are named to signify our warrior heritage - nothing wrong with that.

hey i have no problems with what you name the freakin missiles, for all i care, you can name them adolf hitler and mussolini, its the afghanis that are protesting. now i suggested that maybe cultrual sensitivity is the need of the hour, especially in a world so predisposed to violence.

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by ShowStopper Namak Haram aj baat kartai hain. When Russia was on them they came to Pak. Ubbu Jee wo martai hain Maddud karoo.

dude this is what i am trying to point out... its not a big deal! they are not turning their backs on pakistan, nor are they accusing pakistan of any sacrilege... all they are asking is for pakistan to respect their culture, or whatever it is that they honor.

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by Invictus [Edit by Mods: Pls dont get personal here - thanks!] How is printing a cartoon of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) (a prophet of a religion which bans human pictures) in a compromising manner equivalent to naming missiles after warriors/conquerors related. On top of that all or most of the muslim conquerors were either Afghan or came via Afghanistan to India. So Afghanistan/India/Pakistan/Bangladesh do share the same history. Whats next are they gonna ask us to stop wearing Shalwar Kameez?

its not the same, but its along the lines of cultural insensitivity. would you appreciate it if afghanistan named a prison for rapists and child molestors after some pakistani historical figure who is afforded immense respect? its all about being culturally sensitive.

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen I think the problem is that this whole thing is inspired by Indian influence on Afghan Govt - this issue with Muslim warriors has always irked the Hindu fanatics - sad to see a "Muslim" govt joining in. If anything they should be proud that a fellow Muslim country has means of defending themselves.

oh are we reverting back to the "blame india for every sodding mistake" strategy now?

[Invictus]

Again a prison for rapist as opposed to missiles named after warriors. And like I said in the above post:
"On top of that all or most of the muslim conquerors were either Afghan or came via Afghanistan to India. So Afghanistan/India/Pakistan/Bangladesh do share the same history."

I dont see the relevance here. We share the same history so I dont know what "cultural sensitivity" are you talking about.

[Somali Pirate]

my my,

afghanis ae not the flavour of the month now......lol

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Elan Tedronai my my, afghanis ae not the flavour of the month now......lol

Only the ungrateful ones...

[MIG]

Originally Posted by akram_rejuvinated oh are we reverting back to the "blame india for every sodding mistake" strategy now?

Here is a link to Rediff article which I had read ages ago ( which is why I posted my views ) - as you can see , its not as simple as Afghans suddenly realizing this fact.

http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/may/07ghauri.htm

Potentially, the Ghauri poses an unprecedented threat to India's national security. If deployed with a nuclear warhead, every major Indian population, economic, and military centre would be threatened. Pakistan's attempt to communalise the strategic debate in South Asia by christening its new missile after a Muslim marauder -- Shahabuddin Ghauri -- not only smacks of political insensitivity, but downright vulgarity.

Do you wonder if the current Afghan setup may have similar views

[ShowStopper]

Originally Posted by akram_rejuvinated dude this is what i am trying to point out... its not a big deal! they are not turning their backs on pakistan, nor are they accusing pakistan of any sacrilege... all they are asking is for pakistan to respect their culture, or whatever it is that they honor.

What do you know about Islamic culture? and why are you so bitter about it. Are you Afghani? And those millions of Afghanies who are living in PAK are you providing them? Get a life man.

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by akram_rejuvinated its not the same, but its along the lines of cultural insensitivity. would you appreciate it if afghanistan named a prison for rapists and child molestors after some pakistani historical figure who is afforded immense respect? its all about being culturally sensitive.

hardly relavent and a poor example. They were warriors. Missiles are instruments of war. The relevance is plain to see for anyone. Now if they were poets or artists, fair enough but in this case....

[Schiller]

good words do not a sound argument make - Shakespeare

[MIG]

make that "lambay words say baat naheen buntee" - MiggyBro...

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen Here is a link to Rediff article which I had read ages ago ( which is why I posted my views ) - as you can see , its not as simple as Afghans suddenly realizing this fact. http://www.rediff.com/news/1998/may/07ghauri.htm Do you wonder if the current Afghan setup may have similar views

is that you evidence? a single article, that too in an opinion magazine rather than a periodic newsletter expressing the views of the free lance writter is convincing enough for you to believe that india is behind this afghani request? dont you think thats really going out on a limb here?

[MIG]

Originally Posted by akram_rejuvinated is that you evidence? a single article, that too in an opinion magazine rather than a periodic newsletter expressing the views of the free lance writter is convincing enough for you to believe that india is behind this afghani request? dont you think thats really going out on a limb here?

Would you like me to produce internal RAW documents , attested by a Grade 1 officer ?

There is no evidence ! There is a general impression that simple people cannot see.

[akram_rejuvinated]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen Would you like me to produce internal RAW documents , attested by a Grade 1 officer ? There is no evidence ! There is a general impression that simple people cannot see.

how about some "religious fanatic" who has protested to this peculiar nomenclature? i doubt you can produce internal RAW documents but then again general impressions are rarely the truth. especially if the "general impression" is isolated to a country predisposed to believe in such conspiracy theories...

[MIG]

[QUOTE=akram_rejuvinated]how about some "religious fanatic" who has protested to this peculiar nomenclature? i doubt you can produce internal RAW documents but then again general impressions are rarely the truth. especially if the "general impression" is isolated to a country predisposed to believe in such conspiracy theories...[/QUOTE]

OK I think have had enough of this racist bakwas - on yer bike.

[Invictus]

[QUOTE=MenInGreen]

Originally Posted by akram_rejuvinated how about some "religious fanatic" who has protested to this peculiar nomenclature? i doubt you can produce internal RAW documents but then again general impressions are rarely the truth. especially if the "general impression" is isolated to a country predisposed to believe in such conspiracy theories...[/QUOTE] OK I think have had enough of this racist bakwas - on yer bike.

What took you so long?

[Daoud]

[QUOTE=Invictus]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen What took you so long?

We gave him the benefit of the doubt. This aint a police state you know

[HAFRIDI]

[QUOTE=Daoud]

Originally Posted by Invictus We gave him the benefit of the doubt. This aint a police state you know

'We'

[MIG]

Invictus: Just because someone doesnt agree with other posters is NOT enough grounds for banning people - we look for things like abusive language towards other posters etc

[MIG]

Ok Zush - we hear you - lets get this thread back on track now.

[zushy_786]

Mig, news on Afghanistan is slow here, any news on whether Karzai and his croonies have apologized to Pakistan for making idiotic remarks about pakistan after condeleeza rice had talks with karzai to layoff pakistan ?

[HAFRIDI]

Pak hit back

Pakistan Official: Taliban Chief Likely Hiding in Afghanistan

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's foreign minister said Wednesday that Taliban leader Mullah Omar was most likely hiding in Afghanistan, where U.S.-led coalition forces have launched a massive operation to flush out militants blamed for spiraling violence in the war-ravaged country's south.

Foreign Minister Khursheed Kasuri, however, said Pakistan was extending its full support to the coalition and Afghan forces in the fight against terrorism.

"We have deployed an additional 10,000 troops in our tribal areas near the Afghan border in recent months, bringing the troop deployment to about 90,000. It shows our level of sincerity and commitment," he told The Associated Press.

He said that Omar "is most likely hiding inside Afghanistan. But, we will act if we are given actionable intelligence on his whereabouts."

Pakistan is a key ally of the United States in its war on terror and Kasuri's comments came a day after U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met with him in Islamabad to discuss how Pakistan, the United Satiates and Afghanistan could further improve coordination and cooperation in the fight against militants

Islamabad and Kabul are close U.S. allies but relations between the two have seen ups and downs since earlier this year when Afghan President Hamid Karzai claimed that senior Taliban and Al Qaeda operatives were hiding in Pakistan.

[Invictus]

Originally Posted by MenInGreen Invictus: Just because someone doesnt agree with other posters is NOT enough grounds for banning people - we look for things like abusive language towards other posters etc

I should really start to use smileys eh. I was trying to be funny ala Seinfeld. There was this episode when Neuman and Kramer were picked up by police..... well its a long story. Moral of the story is I should use smileys and you need to stop taking me seriously. Did'nt mean to cause any ill feelings apologize if I gave the wrong impression.

[HAFRIDI]

haha, maybe it's just Mig's old age, i spotted the sarcasm pretty clearly

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by HAFRIDI haha, maybe it's just Mig's old age, i spotted the sarcasm pretty clearly

Stop talking about sarcasm...

Pretty good move though to say Mullah Omar is in Afghanistan even if it is stating the obvious