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Players that should be dropped after this series
talking only about test cricket guys. we need players who can play on all conditions around the world the following players will never cut it for me.
RAZZAQ - Players get better when the get older and more experienced this guy has got worse. you get the feeling he does not like the hard work of test cricket. Has not got the fight to be a test cricketer either. (one off like mohali is not good enough) FAISAL - poor body language, scared, petrified, high class bowlers will eat him alive. should never play for pak just for getting out to Collingwood! BUTT - a saeed anwar in the flat pitches of Asia but cant play in these conditions to save his life. Once again you get the feeling test match cricket is too much for him. technically needs alot of improvement IMRAN FARHAT - Too many silly mistakes at the highest level. After getting a good start throws his wicket away. Taufeeq - another one that has not the technique or bottle to play at the highest level. SAMI - we all know about sami likely replacements mohammed hafeez shahid yousaf yasser arafat hasan raza najaf shah |
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Sami should never play for Pakistan again. Thats all I know.
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well sami for sure; i dont care what his performence in last innings was, he just aint consistent, he has to go back to domestic cricket because others like Nazir and Gul deserve a much bigger chance than he does..,.
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faisal,taufeeq,butt,farhat should never play for pak again how many chances will they get. same mistakes over and over again they just dont learn
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Faisal. Thats it.
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One off? Have you forgotten Karachi 2006 already? Or the 4 for 20 he took to help set up victory in the 2nd test against Sri Lanka? |
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Yes time to move on - but why have you left out the selectors ? Should they not be sacked for picking up a below par team . what about the physios ? What were they doing when players were falling like 9 pins ...Compare that to Indian side where apart from Tendulkar there are no major fitness problems ...and the reason I picked up India for comparision was bcoz Pakistanis and Indians have a similar physical built ..So I am not even comparing them with fitter teams like Australia .
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Interesting how Sami is getting the stick when its our batsman that have failed us in this test. Sami atleast gave us a chance of a win
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Listen here, Taufeeq played well. At this point the Butt and Toffee partnership was the best. Trust me we won't find ANYBODY esle. ANyone who comes will fail bcause Pakistan have never had good opners, with the exception of Saeed and Aamer. |
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I 'm thinking of starting a 'Posters that should be Dropped After this Series' thread.......
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IMO Butt was playing quiet well until he played that stupid shot. Maybe Taufeeq's tortoise-like effort put pressure on him to score runs at a faster pace
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I don't think we should give up on Salman Butt but some of the others should have a leaving party organised for them: Farhat, Sami (although he bowled well for once in a blue moon yesterday), Faisal Iqbal.
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Click for Matchlink...... Just for taming a rampant Warne and McGrath in two consecutive innings (he played them out for four hours each innings - 54* and 68 when everbody around him caved in, Hasan should have been given an extended run. Incredibly enough, he has been given just 4 Test matches after that in 4 years! He was not given deserved chances, and Bhaja super-imposed on the team mainly in the tenure of his uncle. For starters, getting three Tests in a row in a Test Series despite failing repeatedly - that's the kind of backing (although on the wrong horse obviously in this Series - Faisal) which is needed to be provided and the kind of reassurance a young very capable batsman should be given. |
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Good point. Why Sami gets all the bashing from the PPers. Look guys how many chances this Butt, Taufeeq Umar, Faisal Iqbal, Razzaq, Imran Farhat and Kamran Akmal gotten. I must say, Kamran Akmal needs a sit out that would remind him how many others can take him over and then he would stop taking his place for granted. People stop just only crying for Sami, watch other players too. Why should others get away with all those chances. Look at the batting averages of our so called batsmen. Razzaq´s avg after so many games and ....ach..there should be only one criteria to keep players in team and that is performance. I get pisssed of after seeing only Sami bashers...wake up people there are other tourists too on board
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Players that should never ever be let close to the Pakistani test team ...
1 - Sami 2 - Butt 3 - Farhat 4 - Taufeeq 5 - Razzaq 6 - Faisal All of these are garbadge players .... and should not be representing pakistan just because they either have 'pawa' or good contacts with those matter in the team. We all know that there are better, more deserving players then these guys. In fact, if you guys give me a pair of Orangutans, I think after six months they would start performing better then our so called 'specialist openers'
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Sami (had his day) Faisal (limited talent, keeping out better batsmen) Farhat (keeps giving his wicket away a la Hameed) Razaq (lack of motivation) On Probation: Butt (keep for proper extended run) Taufeeq (keep for proper extended run) Kaneria (100 runs before wickets too pricey) In: Shahid Nazir (should be after Gul on the pecking order) Afridi (possible replacement for Kaneria) Most importantly need a new broom. Make Younis Khan the captain; bring some energy into the team. If Inzi retires, that reflects badly on him, but the team comes first. |
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Imran Farhat Faisal Iqbal Mohammad Sami Razzaq Players that should replace them Mohammad Hafeez Shahid Yousuf Yasir Arafat Any very young genuine fast bowler |
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butt ____________ out farhat ___________ out taufeeq __________ out sami ____________ out inzimam should pass captancy to younis we should look at another spinner . canot go into test series with only 1 front line spinner must have 1 permanant allrounder batsmen / seam bowler must find a left arm quickie like the under 19 boy jamshed the selectors have a lot to answer for !!!!!!!!!!!!! we must introduce young raw tallent i could go on and on !!!!!!!!!!!!!! khal |
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The Pakistani team have to decide what kind of role they want Shahid Afridi to fill and then stick to it. If they can't decide on a role for him then he should be left out of the team.
If he does play then I'd like to see him bat at 7 with the licence to play something appraoching his natural game but that really depends on the form of Kamran Akmal, who would have to bat at 6. I think Akmal could do that but with his poor form at the moment it might be too much of a risk for Pakistan to take. |
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butt needs to be kept, he only 21
and has played 14 tests as he gets more experience , he will learn which balls to leave alone my team would be SB SM YK MOYO INZY MOHAMMED HAFEEZA KA SA rANA/gul MA DK |
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we need to blood some youngsters or we will have no depth in our bowling...
the following need to be dropped: sami iqbal farhat keep butt as he has potential and i want to see taufeeq and butt as the main openers right up until the world cup...bowling id like to see nazir,gul,rana,akther,asif, and some newbies maybe najaf,arafat and a new spinner...id also like to see hafeez in the ODI squad and another batsmen in for Iqbal..maybe bazid or shahid yousuf..maybe even hasan raza..i think spots are up for grabs now...bye bye sami..
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but there needs to be more competition so we need another spinner and keeper so kamran and kaneria dont take their place for granted
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I would agree with all except for Razzler.
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Faisal Iqbal is a player who should be nowhere near the test or odi sides he has shown again he lacks consistency and struggles against pace bowling, time for the likes of hasan raza and bazid khan to be given a chance they are more deserving candidates.
A lot of fans are over reacting here, we should keep faith with the likes of kamran akaml who are just out of form and will show there quality soon. |
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I don't know about Faisal Iqbal, there's something about him, something special I think we need to persevere.
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I dont think faisal iqbal possesses any of the ability steve waugh had, he is only in the team on the back of being miandads nephew, he has shown little form this series and his previous international tests shows he is nothing but a average player.
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Faisal has crossed the 50-mark in a Test innings merely 5 times in 29 outings. That is poor and quite conclusive.
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i have said for ages now - Faisal Iqbal believes he should be in the side because of who he is - look how he was sledging KP - even in A team when a player spoke out against this ******** he was dropped permanently.
The difference between Faisal and SR Waugh is that the latter can actually bat. Why not drop everyone and bring back Pybus! Farhad - great spot - especially when one compares to Asim Kamal. |
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Its time for them to give hasan raza the chances he deserves because to me he has been harshly treated if faisal iqbal can play the amount he has!
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Faisal Iqbal is blo*ody useless and I don’t apologise for the swearing. Hes scared of fast bowling and looks inept against spinners. Never want to see him playing for Pak ever again
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I don't know, I still think there's a distinct touch of class about Faisal's batting.
I think we've just got to stick by him, he's the great Javed Miandad's nephew for heaven's sake he's sure to come good sometime. We need him for the West Indies series, they're starting to produce some good pacy bowlers again and we need young guys with proven quality like Faisal to keep them at bay as the oldies will struggle. People are so quick to forget his brilliant 139 against India in the last test played in Pakistan, now if he's not in the team for the next test played in the country, well then I'm sorry but that's just plain ridiculous. |
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Butt has to work on his fielding and catching. Took a good one to dismiss Tresco but the drop off Pieterson was sloppy and cost us dear.
Probably deserves an extended run but I was right to reserve jugdement 18months ago and he will have to work very hard to fulfil his talent. Otherwise he will be another opener to add to the heap. I haven't seen too much to suggest that he actually is working on his technique. Time and time again he gets out the same way. |
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These players should be dropped from pakistan team:
Imran Farhat = his had so many opportunities its about time we closed the door for good. He cost us the series because of the dropped catches. Faisal Iqbal = does not look comfortable in odi & tests. A.Razzaq = should only be considered for odi's M.Sami = his been given so many chances its about time they dropped him for good. D.Kaneria = well his been poor in this series & never rated him. Over does it with his celebrations. Kaneria might aswell start counting his chickens! These players should be considered: Y.Hameed Imran Nazir Shahid Yousuf Y.Arafat Najaf Shah M.Amjad |
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This is just so weird. I thought yesterday of posting on PP as to where has Muhammad, a veteran poster gone, and then changed my mind as we don't do those threads anymore. And all of a sudden, he comes out of retirement and posts on PP!
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Faisal iqbal cant be in the team on the basis of that one score and being miandads nephew thats laughable ,its time for more players with more potential to be tried!!!
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No he shouldnt be kicked out he should leave the team on his own(!) because even he knows the truth : HE IS playing worse than a 1year old baby
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The 16 man squad should look something like this, the opener situation is a hard one to call because no one seems capable of staking a claim, a centaury from one can change the whole pecking order. Sami just misses out in favour of Shahid Nazir who has performed really well and deserves to be in the squad.
1. Mohammed Hafeez 2. Shoaib Malik 3. Taufeeq Umar/Salman Butt/Imran Farhat 4. Younis Khan 5. Mohammed Yousuf 6. Inzamam Ul Haq 7. Bazid Khan/Asim Kamal 8. Shahid Afridi 9. Kamran Akmal 10. Abdul Razzaq 11. Shahid Nazir 12. Umar Gul 13. Naveed Ul Hassan 14. Mohammed Asif 15. Shoaib Akhtar 16. Danish Kaneria
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Faisal Iqbal - What a terrible series and terrible ways to get out. His 100 vs India was a fluke seeing as everyone else made a 50 in the innings. Farhat - One of my personal favs, which I defended so much. But even I realize he is just plain stupid. He needs to work on his game. Instead of just hanging his bat at the ball, he needs to work on his all round temperment. Sami - I really want Sami to continue to be in the team with that last performance he pulled. By bowling some express pace. However, how many chances have we given him and not too Nazir? People on hot seat but should not be dropped: Taufeeq - Looked much better from India but two stupid dismissals. Granted everyone gets out in dumb ways, he deserves a second chance. Butt - I still believe this guy has potential. The problem is he is dropped for a game, and than comes back and people get mad when he fails. This kid has shown he has the mental grit with his two test hundreds(againt quality opposition when the pressure was high). His fielding is not bad as everyone makes it out to be. People act as if he drops catches that cost us the series(ala Hameed) or a series of catches(ala Farhat). Infact, he took a great catch at Headingly. Afridi - He needs to settle down and realize in different conditions you cannot play your typical sub-continntal game. That is pretty much it. However, the bigger problem is the selectors. PCB has so much money but waste it on useless things. Its time we get full time paid selectors, who are FORCED to attend DOMESTIC CRICKET Matches, just like Cricket Australia does witht their selectors(the selector has to attend one match a week).
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Abdul Razzaq shouldnt be dropped but used selectively depending on the pitch. he is not a strike bowler but mite be used in a rotaion policy. i wouldnt play him in many tests though. I think Asim kamal should be given a chance, i always liked him coz he is gutsy and can bat with the tail well. Butt should be dropped, poor technique. Taufeeq should be retained coz u cant drop a guy on the basis of just one test appearance. I think taufeeq and shoaib malik should be given a go. ANd I still back Mohammad SAmi. i have posted this many times that he is dangerous if he bowls fast and not worry about line and length. he dud exactly that in the 2nd inninggs and bowled very well. he should be kept and should be rotated in the bowling lineup. Najaf shah should be included to add variety with good pace.
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Players that should be dropped after this series -NONE
Let's not freak out because of one series loss. Have some faith in the team that has performed remarkably well in the last 2 years. Will Pakistan fans ever learn? |
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The only one that should be dropped at this point in time is Sami, he has lost the plot and the young potential firebrand is gone... As for the batsmen, they all have a great deal of potential, especially Farhat (IMO) all they need is to be given the opportunity to show it... Continual critisizm will only dent their confidence further, which is definitely not good for the team environment. For many of them its the first time they have been in English conditions, so of course they will start off slowly so dropping them now would surely be a mistake... Have a look at some players like Steve Waugh and even Bradman, at first attempt they failed, but look how they turned out..
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razzaq is 43 matches has taken only 95 wickets thats 1.3 wickets a match! if he bats at 6 and 5th bowler maybe he can get away with it.
people keep going on about butt has talent. he might hit a few gorgeous shots but at the same time were all hoping he does not get caught in the slips or behind. Even after a year he stil has not sorted his technique problems. |
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Farhat - useless, flashy opener. Also can't catch (though a lot could fall into that category).
Faisal - clueless, hasn't got an ounce of talent. Sami - worst average in test cricket. Maybe needs a year away (more likely 10) Razzaq - should be shot for cowardice at Old Trafford. A bad shot may be forgotten; cowardice is unforgiveable. As for Butt and Taufeeq, they have performed badly but I believe they are the best openers around - they need to be given an extended run to prove their worth. As a previous poster said playing one test and then being dropped for two tests isn't going to help anyone. Whether its them or someone else, we need to decide who we believe our two best openers are and give them an extended run in the team. The next series is against Windies - that should be a good chance for us to build a reliable opening partnership. |
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Here is my list of the players that should be culled form this squad:
- Faisal Iqbal and instead bring back Asim Kamal (Gritty, Good Temperament, A Fighter in the team) - Imran Farhat and bring Shoaib Malik back to open with Butt - Mohammad Sami - Send him to play with our women's team where he may have a chance to perform and replace him with anyone of these world class bowlers below: Rana/Akhtar/Asif/Rao/Irshad/Najaf/Khalil/Arafat. The rest of the team is fine I think, by playing the above replacements we would be stronger in the opening position, better bowling attack and a solid no.6 in Asim Kamal. |
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