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Old 11th August 2006, 03:42
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Shahid Afridi and Opening (ODI)

How many people believe that he should open. If not now, then how about for the World Cup or something. Malik shouldn't be experimented with at opening when he is a guarenteed performer at number 3. Also having Afridi opening has its many benefits if you don't consider Malik opening.

1. He will 9/10 get a quick 15-20 runs for sure. Maybe more, and 4/10 he will hit a 50 and a 1/2/10 he will hit a 100. Even the quick 20 can send England aback, and maybe a bit disturbed. The quick runs may come in handy.

2. It allows us to play another batsman, or another specialist bowler. If you think about another opener and Malik at 3, it makes it almost impossible for us to play a third specialist bowler, which we obviously need.

3. It utilizes Afridi more. Can anyone give me an instance of the last time Afridi scored us quick runs while playing at his "natural" position? He has always scored his best runs when opening, and that would be our best option. If someone disagrees with this stat, please post it.

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Old 11th August 2006, 04:00
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1. He will 9/10 get a quick 15-20 runs for sure. Maybe more, and 4/10 he will hit a 50 and a 1/2/10 he will hit a 100. Even the quick 20 can send England aback, and maybe a bit disturbed. The quick runs may come in handy.
I dont understand the basis of these ratios. He has opened in 139 innings and scored 3 hundreds so he will get you a 100 3/139=1/46 times. How did you arrive at a hundred 1-2/10 innings. Tendulkar has that kind of a conversion!!

Now he has scored 50+ scores(including hundreds) 25 times out of 139 innings. Thats about 1/6 times. How did you get the 4/10 number?

He has scored 20+ runs 59 times out of 139 innings. Thats about 4/10 times. How did you get the 9/10 figure?
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Old 11th August 2006, 04:03
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I disagree with Imran Khan when he said that it was a mistake to make Afridi bat at no.7. I've always felt that Shahid should open simply because it gives his more time to cause distruction. Yeah he might get out for 0, 5 or a quick 20, but if he fires it's almost guranteed that Pak will win the match.
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Old 11th August 2006, 04:04
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Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Afridi say he didn't want to be an opener? I remember him and YoKo having an argument about this at WI in a test, and I assume Afridi meant he didn't want to open in general.
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Old 11th August 2006, 04:04
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I dont understand the basis of these ratios. He has opened in 139 innings and scored 3 hundreds so he will get you a 100 3/139=1/46 times. How did you arrive at a hundred 1-2/10 innings. Tendulkar has that kind of a conversion!!

Now he has scored 50+ scores(including hundreds) 25 times out of 139 innings. Thats about 1/6 times. How did you get the 4/10 number?

He has scored 20+ runs 59 times out of 139 innings. Thats about 4/10 times. How did you get the 9/10 figure?
Only an Indian.
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Old 11th August 2006, 04:06
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Only an Indian.
I am confused by what you mean by that statement. Care to shed some light?
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Old 11th August 2006, 12:58
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Few centuries, he has to his name, came into being only on occasions he opened. If he had his day, he could be as brutal as nearly irresistible against any attack of the world; he needed work only on his indulging himself with Stupid shots.

He is good opener, to have a hell of difference between two competent teams.

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Old 11th August 2006, 13:16
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Afridi had a big argument with Younis in the Windies saying he didnt want to open and I dont think he should open since he doesnt have the patience to wait till the ball stops moving around before he launches
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Old 11th August 2006, 14:04
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I am confused by what you mean by that statement. Care to shed some light?
Lad "His_Excellence" can get a bit racist at times...
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Old 11th August 2006, 14:07
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Yea googly the stats were made up on the spot, sorry!

Well I guess if Afridi said he didn't want to open, then he won't. But honestly its in the best interests of the team. When has he done something down the order?
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Old 11th August 2006, 14:08
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Old 11th August 2006, 15:42
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Old 11th August 2006, 15:49
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Afridi had a big argument with Younis in the Windies saying he didnt want to open and I dont think he should open since he doesnt have the patience to wait till the ball stops moving around before he launches

That was test matches, not ODI, he still opened in a couple of ODI matches after that.
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Old 11th August 2006, 16:51
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isnt khan at no 3. I prefer malik as an opener. however in ODI's afridi cud destroy the opposition right from the start. He could play a similiar role to sehwag for india
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Old 11th August 2006, 17:05
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if afridi can stay for 30 overs im sure he can break the highest one day score by an batsmen
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Old 11th August 2006, 21:55
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Afridi had a big argument with Younis in the Windies saying he didnt want to open and I dont think he should open since he doesnt have the patience to wait till the ball stops moving around before he launches

wasnt that in a test match though?
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Old 12th August 2006, 00:03
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if afridi can stay for 30 overs im sure he can break the highest one day score by an batsmen
The chances of that are 0/10

Btw, I really don't understand why people want Shoaib Malik opening. Just look at his ODI score at number 3!
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Old 12th August 2006, 00:48
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Afridi Opening can be dangerous but he needs to be more consistant.

He can dangerous @ any postion he needs to showcase his talents more often!
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Old 12th August 2006, 01:19
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not tailending as we saw
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Old 12th August 2006, 01:31
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Depending on who he faces. He is not smart like Sanath Jayasuria in the mid 90s. He was willing to be patient. Shahid Afridi more like "i will hit through the line no matter where you bowl" kind of guy. Hence Jayasuria is more consistent and can carry on to make big centuries. Afridi's ratio is pretty bad because of his inadequate cricketing brain.
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Old 12th August 2006, 07:19
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Afridi is better down the order. A quick 30 or 40 at tail end of inns will do more damage than a short cameo at top of inns. At end of inns, the oppostion have no real time to repair damage done. At top of inns a longer inns will be required to damage runs wise.
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Old 12th August 2006, 12:40
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Never open with Afridi, 6/10 times he will get below 40. I know its a quick fire, if he opens in the WC he will get demorolised by McGrath, Ntini, Pollock, Vaas and co.
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Old 12th August 2006, 12:40
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All u have to do is bowls straight to him.
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Old 12th August 2006, 12:49
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All u have to do is bowls straight to him.
And than watch the bowl sail over yor head for a six...
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