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Old 15th October 2006, 13:25
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Are All Reverts Salafists?



I have seen alot of programmes and nearly all of them wear the niqab, except the elderly.
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Old 15th October 2006, 13:29
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what exactly is a salafi, toony?
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Old 15th October 2006, 13:30
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Pretty much every convert/revert I've seen wears hijab but I dont recall the majority of them with niqab
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what exactly is a salafi, toony?
They believe in the form of islam which was around before the 10th century. They don't belive in technological advancement or new ideas which don't conform to their teachings... Salafism is branch offshoot from Wahabbism.
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Pretty much every convert/revert I've seen wears hijab but I dont recall the majority of them with niqab

On Programs though,I have seen alot of niqabists.
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Old 15th October 2006, 13:45
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They believe in the form of islam which was around before the 10th century. They don't belive in technological advancement or new ideas which don't conform to their teachings... Salafism is branch offshoot from Wahabbism.
If most salafists are like this, then forget all reverts, very few reverts would be like that.
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They believe in the form of islam which was around before the 10th century. They don't belive in technological advancement or new ideas which don't conform to their teachings... Salafism is branch offshoot from Wahabbism.
yar toony, where have you heard this non-sense?

"salafism" as people love to call it is not a sect nor a group nor a hizb or any other nonsense. Its a methodology (minhaj) which says that the Quran and Sunnah have to be understood according to the understanding of our pious predecessors (the Sahaba, the Tabieen and the Tabi Tabieen). According to the methodology, to understand and implement the Quran and Sunnah, you look at the Sahaba, then the Tabieen (next generation) and then the Tabi Tabieen (next generation after Tabieen) understood and implemented the Quran and Sunnah, and you follow the same understanding. And it makes sense because these people were not only the best generations of Islam (based on authentic hadith), they were also present when the revelations where coming and when the Shariah was being put together.

This methodology is based primarily upon the authentic narration of RasoolAllah (SAWS) where he mentions the 73 sects and says only 1 of them is saved. When the Sahaba asked him which one is that, he replied the one I (SAWS) am on and the one you (Sahaba) are on.

how does any of this have ANYTHING to do with technological advancement? don't let the actions of some fool you into thinking otherwise. this is just like saying all Muslims are terrorists or something!

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Old 15th October 2006, 14:10
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yar toony, where have you heard this non-sense?

"salafism" as people love to call it is not a sect nor a group nor a hizb or any other nonsense. Its a methodology (minhaj) which says that the Quran and Sunnah have to be understood according to the understanding of our pious predecessors (the Sahaba, the Tabieen and the Tabi Tabieen). According to the methodology, to understand and implement the Quran and Sunnah, you look at the Sahaba, then the Tabieen (next generation) and then the Tabi Tabieen (next generation after Tabieen) understood and implemented the Quran and Sunnah, and you follow the same understanding. And it makes sense because these people were not only the best generations of Islam (based on authentic hadith), they were also present when the revelations where coming and when the Shariah was being put together.

This methodology is based primarily upon the authentic narration of RasoolAllah (SAWS) where he mentions the 73 sects and says only 1 of them is saved. When the Sahaba asked him which one is that, he replied the one I (SAWS) am on and the one you (Sahaba) are on.

how does any of this have ANYTHING to do with technological advancement? don't let the actions of some fool you into thinking otherwise. this is just like saying all Muslims are terrorists or something!
i correct myself there then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafism
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Old 15th October 2006, 14:39
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In my experience Salafi's are quick to judge, intolerant and believe everyone is wrong but them.

I don't know if I'm on the right path but if the right path means becoming a Salafi then I'm better off on the wrong path!!
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Old 15th October 2006, 14:41
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yar toony, where have you heard this non-sense?

"salafism" as people love to call it is not a sect nor a group nor a hizb or any other nonsense. Its a methodology (minhaj) which says that the Quran and Sunnah have to be understood according to the understanding of our pious predecessors (the Sahaba, the Tabieen and the Tabi Tabieen). According to the methodology, to understand and implement the Quran and Sunnah, you look at the Sahaba, then the Tabieen (next generation) and then the Tabi Tabieen (next generation after Tabieen) understood and implemented the Quran and Sunnah, and you follow the same understanding. And it makes sense because these people were not only the best generations of Islam (based on authentic hadith), they were also present when the revelations where coming and when the Shariah was being put together.

This methodology is based primarily upon the authentic narration of RasoolAllah (SAWS) where he mentions the 73 sects and says only 1 of them is saved. When the Sahaba asked him which one is that, he replied the one I (SAWS) am on and the one you (Sahaba) are on.

how does any of this have ANYTHING to do with technological advancement? don't let the actions of some fool you into thinking otherwise. this is just like saying all Muslims are terrorists or something!
Isn't that similar to Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamah?
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Old 15th October 2006, 14:52
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Isn't that similar to Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamah?
Taha,

Ahl-e-Sunnah Wal Jamah (aka Sunni) Muslims are supposed to follow this methodology. Whether many do it in real life or not is a topic on its own.

like I said, its no sect, its no madhab (legal school of thought), its a methodology...and people often tend to associate the extreme practioners of the methodology to salafia, just like many non-Muslims associate Taliban with Muslims.
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Old 15th October 2006, 15:10
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the possible reasons for toony's question might be because salafis might be spreading their faith with more zealousness than the rest
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Old 15th October 2006, 16:22
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In response to Toony's OP.

The main difference is that salafi converts tend to be more extreme (stricter if you prefer) and outspoken, therefore they tend to get noticed. Other converts don't make such a fuss and tend to pass under the radar the way it should be.
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This methodology is based primarily upon the authentic narration of RasoolAllah (SAWS) where he mentions the 73 sects and says only 1 of them is saved. When the Sahaba asked him which one is that, he replied the one I (SAWS) am on and the one you (Sahaba) are on.

Contrast this "authentic" narration with this verse of the Quran

[7:188] Say: "I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as God willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith."

It is clear that predicting the future was not exactly a forte of the Prophet!
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Old 15th October 2006, 17:19
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Bro, the Prophet (SAW) was not predicting the future in that hadith
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