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Old 29th October 2006, 17:30
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KP v Hussey v D.Smith v Boucher v Dhoni v Afridi (or Razzaq)

Which of these batsmen would you most want to have in your lower middle order to take you home when chasing a target having lost a few wickets?

Last edited by OZGOD; 29th October 2006 at 18:38. Reason: Added Razzaq as a possible substitute for Afridi based on feedback
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:31
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:32
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Hussey if no decent spinners were playing, otherwise I would choose KP.
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:35
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Hussey or Razzaq (why wasn't he included?)
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:36
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D smith...are u joking??

The lad can't put bat to ball at the moment

Hussey & KP are right there....Dhoni was magnificant when India won 17 chases in a row but gone downwards! Afridi, another 6 ball 10run player.
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:37
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:37
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Yeah Razzaq is a fine player when he comes after 40 overs while chasing!
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:43
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Why pick Afridi over Razzaq for this scenario, when Afridi has spent most of his career opening and usually bats in the middle to upper order anyway!

Razzaq's your man!
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:48
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well if you are host in champions trophy 2007, you will pick curator...none else...
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:50
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hussey!
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:50
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Chasing the target, Hussey would be the man.

Batting first, round about the 40th over mark, there is no one better than having the crazy axeman Abdul Razzak joining the fray for you.

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Old 29th October 2006, 17:52
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Even though Inzi is a middle order batsman, he would be my pick for chasing a target.
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:56
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I was tossing up between Afridi and Razzaq and decided to go for Afridi, because I like him better as a player. Very entertaining.

As for D. Smith, I had to put in a WI representative. I couldn't think of any lower order SL batsman (except maybe Dilshan).
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Old 29th October 2006, 17:58
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Hussey no doubt. Razzaq is good but very weak against spin. Hussey is too to some extent butI feel safer with Hussey batting. Also Hussey is much more consisent than Razzaq. Just that Razzaq adds more overall value with his bowling.
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Old 29th October 2006, 19:05
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Can't decide between Hussey or Razzaq from the list that is given. But my personal choice would be Inzi ...
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Old 29th October 2006, 19:06
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Take Razzaq over anybody in the last 10 overs has had couple of memorable performances in these situations lately in England and against SL.
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Old 29th October 2006, 19:14
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Boucher is pretty good at these lower order rearguards.
Would go with Hussey though.
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Old 29th October 2006, 19:17
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Has anyone cared to check hussey's record while chasing ? ...if my memeory serves me right hussey is yet to win a single match for oz's while chasing!
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Old 29th October 2006, 19:20
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Razzaq when he is in THE ZONE no 1 can stop him, he knows when to attack !
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Old 29th October 2006, 19:35
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Has anyone cared to check hussey's record while chasing ? ...if my memeory serves me right hussey is yet to win a single match for oz's while chasing!
He was at the finish when Australia beat England a couple of days ago.

Interestingly though a quick glance at Cricinfo reveals that Hussey has never made a 50 when chasing.

Either that or I can't use statsguru properly.
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Old 29th October 2006, 19:41
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He was at the finish when Australia beat England a couple of days ago.

Interestingly though a quick glance at Cricinfo reveals that Hussey has never made a 50 when chasing.

Either that or I can't use statsguru properly.
Funnily enough, most of Hussey's 50s in ODIs have been made when OZ bat first and collapse, necessitating a rescue attempt. On the few occasions he's been required to bat when we've chased, he hasn't had to score more than 20-odd runs.

He's not a good chaser then.
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Old 29th October 2006, 19:43
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if it's 10 or less runs to get then i'd have afridi !!!
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Old 29th October 2006, 19:46
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He was at the finish when Australia beat England a couple of days ago.

Interestingly though a quick glance at Cricinfo reveals that Hussey has never made a 50 when chasing.

Either that or I can't use statsguru properly.

its not about who scores the winning runs ..but about players who ahve made significant contributions wen set a huge target or at a big asking rate...hussey has done well only while batting first & on occasions wer ozs have been in trouble , but that dosen make him best bat for chasing..infact he had an opportunity to prove it against the WI that he is actually the extraordinary player people make him out to be...as I had expected he blew it!
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Old 29th October 2006, 19:52
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I'd have Hussey.
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Old 29th October 2006, 19:58
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its not about who scores the winning runs ..but about players who ahve made significant contributions wen set a huge target or at a big asking rate...hussey has done well only while batting first & on occasions wer ozs have been in trouble , but that dosen make him best bat for chasing..infact he had an opportunity to prove it against the WI that he is actually the extraordinary player people make him out to be...as I had expected he blew it!
what about the way Hussey has performed over the last few mths made you have such low expectations of Hussey?
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Old 29th October 2006, 20:03
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All 46 1353 109* 79.58 1 9

Lost 12 51 22 12.75 0 0

Won 32 129 36* 129.00 0 0



of the 46 innings(2nd) he has played 32 aus has won & lost 12..the above stats clearly show that hes not had any role to play in the matches they have won ,but the matches they have lost he avgs only 12.75..stil some one thinks he should be in the list of good chasers?
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Old 29th October 2006, 20:06
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I'm not sure about Hussey. His average is deceptive. He has scored 37 runs per innings when you take away the not outs. Obviously, that's unfair, but his high score prior to the DLF Cup was 88* with an average of 70-odd. So his average at that point was actually miles above the amount of runs he would contribute per innings. Not trying to belittle his efforts, just wondering if he could keep up the 99 s/r for a fifty or hundred in dire circumstances.

I'd prefer Boucher as a reliable, any situation kind-of-guy.

If I wanted fireworks, the only man who can provide with anything approaching consistency is that man Pietersen. Or maybe Dhoni.
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Old 29th October 2006, 20:13
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Old 29th October 2006, 20:18
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what about the way Hussey has performed over the last few mths made you have such low expectations of Hussey?
Trade mark of an oz player is their mental toghness..hussey surely din strike to me as a typical oz player.....hes there in the team cos of the amount of runs scored in domestc circuit....you might find it funny,but I rate players only on mental strength ..my first opinion is my last ...except for one player ,SRT !
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Old 29th October 2006, 20:21
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Razzaq is king when it comes to late order acceleration. He is matchless amongst his peers in this regards. The only question marks around him is whether he can play a long innings consistently.
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Old 29th October 2006, 20:23
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if the aksing rate is very high,with few balls left , I wud pick Dhoni/razaaq .....lot of runs to get at below 6 run/ovr, then its Boucher!
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Old 29th October 2006, 20:49
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I'd pick Afridi cos Pakistan will lose the game anyway so at least i'll get my 4/5 ball entertainment.
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Old 29th October 2006, 20:50
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Razzaq is king when it comes to late order acceleration. He is matchless amongst his peers in this regards. The only question marks around him is whether he can play a long innings consistently.
I would put KP ahead of Razzaq in terms of late order acceleration. I still remember what he did to the OZ in one of the Natwest Series matches last year - very similar to what he did to the WI the other day. By the end of the innings he was hammering EVERY ball for a boundary or a six - it didn't matter where they were pitched, he would put them away.
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Old 29th October 2006, 20:54
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Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50

All 46 1353 109* 79.58 1 9

Lost 12 51 22 12.75 0 0

Won 32 129 36* 129.00 0 0



of the 46 innings(2nd) he has played 32 aus has won & lost 12..the above stats clearly show that hes not had any role to play in the matches they have won ,but the matches they have lost he avgs only 12.75..stil some one thinks he should be in the list of good chasers?

Something wrong with your table up there - the losses and wins don't add up to the "All" column.

In any case, I think you're being harsh on Hussey. A number of times he has been responsible for turing what would have been 200-run targets to 250s. And when we've chased and won, it's generally been because Ponting or Marto or Gilly have played a big innings before him.

That's why I'd have loved to see Hussey opening the innings today. He didn't even get to bat today.
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Old 29th October 2006, 20:55
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Late order flurry of boundaries and sixes would have to go to Razzaq.
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Old 29th October 2006, 20:58
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That's why I'd have loved to see Hussey opening the innings today. He didn't even get to bat today.
Here's one for you then.

Mike Hussey to open in tests when a slot opens up? A quick scan of Australian domestic cricket doesn't yield any obvious alternatives apart from Rogers and Jaques and personally I think the latter would be much better suited to a slot in the middle order.
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Old 29th October 2006, 21:03
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Here's one for you then.

Mike Hussey to open in tests when a slot opens up? A quick scan of Australian domestic cricket doesn't yield any obvious alternatives apart from Rogers and Jaques and personally I think the latter would be much better suited to a slot in the middle order.
I would love to see him open in Tests, though I think Jaques would do a good job opening in Tests. Huss has scored a ton in the opener's slot in Tests.

I just feel he doesn't get to face the ball enough.
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Old 29th October 2006, 21:23
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KP and Hussey are batsmen while Razzaq is a lower order hitter. Afridi is almost a pinch hitter.

Apples and oranges really but if someone has to do it I'd go with Hussey and if not, Pietersen.
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Old 29th October 2006, 22:21
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Afridi, because the sheer presence of him at the crease with his weapon would lead to the opposition laying down their arms and surrendering the match.
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Old 29th October 2006, 22:24
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On a serious note, I would go with Hussey, but if the asking rate was pretty high I would go with Razzaq.
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Old 29th October 2006, 22:28
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Razzaq any day of the week!
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Old 30th October 2006, 05:29
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Depends on the stage of the game. If we still have 100+ runs to get I'd want Malik there because he is an excellent runner between the wickets and has the ability to hit out as well.

If its purely 50 off 35 or something like that, I'd want Razzaq.
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Old 30th October 2006, 05:55
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Hussey or razzler for me.

Razzaq if it was big runs needed, hussey has a coolness about him thou under pressure.
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Old 30th October 2006, 08:04
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Anyone mentioned in the list except Afridi. not even Razzaq
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