Mohammed Sami Overstepping...

[ataullah]

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=31559

Pakistan’s discarded paceman Mohammad Sami was the pick of the NBP bowling attack with three wickets for 57 runs in 16 overs but again bowled 13 no-balls after overstepping 15 times in his team’s previous match against the Attock Group.

Why do pro's make such mistakes?

[Daoud]

Sami's a pro?

[ataullah]

Originally Posted by Daoud Sami's a pro?

Club cricketer at most as i believe only pace isnt good enough

[khanpuria]

13 no balls - overstepping 1 times

someone tell me that that dont add up!

[SUPERSAMI]

He's probably spotting the other team some runs as they can't play him, what a kindhearted champion.

[entralinks]

dunno if sami is a pro or amateur or alls
but he certainly is the pyo of no balls

[Raz]

Maybe getting used to the old longer run up again?

[infamous9383]

Maybe he's trying too hard seriously

[aabbasi]

Originally Posted by ataullah http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=31559 Pakistan’s discarded paceman Mohammad Sami was the pick of the NBP bowling attack with three wickets for 57 runs in 16 overs but again bowled 13 no-balls after overstepping 15 times in his team’s previous match against the Attock Group. Why do pro's make such mistakes?

This MAY BE a good sign, as this means he is putting in effort ,and trying to get his pace back.

[Abdul Qadir 236]

Wasim had most no balls and wides in 1992 World Cup

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by Abdul Qadir 236 Wasim had most no balls and wides in 1992 World Cup

See, this means Inshallah Sami will come good.
Still, its an improvement over what he did in a certain game vs Bangladesh

[pakistani pride]

Yes RAZ maybe he is bowling from his old run up again lets hope !

[Abdul Qadir 236]

Originally Posted by pakistani pride Yes RAZ maybe he is bowling from his old run up again lets hope !

Someone told me that reason Sami did so well in Pentangular prior to England series was his long run up which was cut when he played for national team. Anyone able to elaborate further on this CRUCIAL aspect?

[pakistani pride]

well then its pathetic !

[Momo]

Originally Posted by Abdul Qadir 236 Wasim had most no balls and wides in 1992 World Cup

Yes, but Waseem could bowl at 135+ from a start of ten paces. He also possessed the broadest shoulders ever seen on a cricket field bar maybe Mathew Hayden and Shoaib Akhter. And he possessed a bouncer that made sure no batsman could commit himself to the front foot before the delivery was already there (which meant it was too late some of the times).

[Abdul Qadir 236]

Believe it or not I have actually some knowledge of Wasim.
Sami too can generate pace from a short run - probably more but thats irrelevant to him having a no-ball problem.

[siddharth]

Originally Posted by Abdul Qadir 236 Believe it or not I have actually some knowledge of Wasim. Sami too can generate pace from a short run - probably more but thats irrelevant to him having a no-ball problem.

in short sami can be another wasim if he fancied.i think donald had also the same problem in that 1992 cup controlling the white ball.in fact wasim had a lot of problems with this wides and noballs,otherwise he would have ended with better average and economy ,i mean his economy is still good inspite of that.

[Easa]

Sami has a chance of getting recalled in the shorter form of the game if he performs outstandingly well this domestic season.

[jackal786]

Originally Posted by Abdul Qadir 236 Wasim had most no balls and wides in 1992 World Cup

Wasim is very quick of the pitch. If i am right his balls would be faster than Shoaib's after pitching. Infact it quickens up! Sami's ball lose pace after pitching because he doesn't do anything with the ball! You cannot bowl yorkers 24/7! You have to pitch the ball at some point!

[Nauman]

Originally Posted by jackal786 Wasim is very quick of the pitch. If i am right his balls would be faster than Shoaib's after pitching. Infact it quickens up! Sami's ball lose pace after pitching because he doesn't do anything with the ball! You cannot bowl yorkers 24/7! You have to pitch the ball at some point!

How can a ball quicken up after pitching? You statement defies all laws of physics.

[siddharth]

Originally Posted by jackal786 Wasim is very quick of the pitch. If i am right his balls would be faster than Shoaib's after pitching. Infact it quickens up! Sami's ball lose pace after pitching because he doesn't do anything with the ball! You cannot bowl yorkers 24/7! You have to pitch the ball at some point!

i heard aussie commentators saying wasim is the fastest on the turff during that 90 series.especially those two consecutive balls to border and boon.again those two ones in the92 finals were express deliveries,those two batsmen had bowled within seconds the ball has released.u can read how much they surprised from their face.

[siddharth]

Originally Posted by Nauman How can a ball quicken up after pitching? You statement defies all laws of physics.

wasim's control over the ball defies nature. not i am saying, scientists saying.

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by Nauman How can a ball quicken up after pitching? You statement defies all laws of physics.

i think it's possible....if you put a lot of back spin on the ball then it'll quicken up after pitching...Kind of like top-spin in tennis

[Easa]

Originally Posted by Nauman How can a ball quicken up after pitching? You statement defies all laws of physics.

And that is exactly what Wasim did.

[Gujar]

There is no way the ball can speed up after hitting the pitch. The ball is at its fastest at release and can't accelerate again unless more force is applied to it.

[Xeo]

A ball usually speeds up after hitting the surface when it has a lot of top spin. This happens mostly in games like Tennis and Table Tennis where players use a huge amount of top spin. In cricket this happens with a delivery called "flipper" but have never heard of a fast bowler actually managing to do that.

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by Xeo A ball usually speeds up after hitting the surface when it has a lot of top spin. This happens mostly in games like Tennis and Table Tennis where players use a huge amount of top spin. In cricket this happens with a delivery called "flipper" but have never heard of a fast bowler actually managing to do that.

No, the ball never quickens up in cricket. On average the ball loses 20% of its pace after pitching. Even a flipper doesnt increase in speed, it just skids on quicker then the batsman expects

[Amjid Javed]

Seems like quite a few PP failed to concept the basics of Physics.

A ball speeds up after hitting the pitch! lol!

what next? A bowler has ability to bowl faster then the speed of light?

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed Seems like quite a few PP failed to concept the basics of Physics. A ball speeds up after hitting the pitch! lol! what next? A bowler has ability to bowl faster then the speed of light?

it's possible man especially over a shorter distance....watch Rafa Nadal play and you'll understand what we are talking about

[iafzal]

Can someone explain how a fast bowler can bowl top spin at 130mph?

I can understand flipper from a spinner but from a fast bowler

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan it's possible man especially over a shorter distance....watch Rafa Nadal play and you'll understand what we are talking about

Im telling you. In cricket that cannot happen. Other sports yes because you hit the ball and you can impart spin on it. In cricket it isnt possible by any stretch of the imagination.

During the Ashes they'll show the ball at different speeds from when it leaves a bowler's hand to when it reaches the batsman. The slow down for a quick bowler is usually between 15-20 % while its around 10% for a spin bowler. But the fact of the matter is that a ball cannot gain speed. It loses too much kinetic energy on impact

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by Daoud Im telling you. In cricket that cannot happen. Other sports yes because you hit the ball and you can impart spin on it. In cricket it isnt possible by any stretch of the imagination. During the Ashes they'll show the ball at different speeds from when it leaves a bowler's hand to when it reaches the batsman. The slow down for a quick bowler is usually between 15-20 % while its around 10% for a spin bowler. But the fact of the matter is that a ball cannot gain speed. It loses too much kinetic energy on impact

that's true! Over a distance of 22 yards it's impossible for a ball to faster when it reaches the batsman than it was when it left a bowler's hand! However if we narrow it down to just before and after impact on the surface(pitch) then it's definitely possible for the ball to be travelling faster JUST after impact than just before impact!

So here is one example
Akram bowls at 135 KPH it slows to down to 125 just before impact but then speeds up 126 just after impact and still reaches the batsman at 110 KPH( Approximately 20% slower than it left his hand)

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by iafzal Can someone explain how a fast bowler can bowl top spin at 130mph? I can understand flipper from a spinner but from a fast bowler

that's another valid point....it's very hard to do that but it's possible!

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan that's true! Over a distance of 22 yards it's impossible for a ball to faster when it reaches the batsman than it was when it left a bowler's hand! However if we narrow it down to just before and after impact on the surface(pitch) then it's definitely possible for the ball to be travelling faster JUST after impact than just before impact! So here is one example Akram bowls at 135 KPH it slows to down to 125 just before impact but then speeds up 126 just after impact and still reaches the batsman at 110 KPH( Approximately 20% slower than it left his hand)

No. The ball loses a lot of kinetic energy when it hits the ground. If you see that feature that they use, the greatest point of slowdown is when it hits the ground. It just isnt possible to speed up

[Awesome Anjum]

It is IMPOSSIBLE for the ball to gain pace once it pitches. This is because most of the kinetic energy is lost, some also wasted in heat/sound energy.

[siddharth]

how many physics students are here????

[infamous9383]

Good to see the no ball king pick up 4 wickets though.

[Gujar]

Even in Tennis the ball will not speed up after hitting the surface! The 'top spin' means there will be less friction between the ball and the ground so the energy lost by the ball will be less than usual which will give the impression that it has come on 'quicker' of the ground, whereas in reality it's just quicker compared to the avetage shot.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by siddharth how many physics students are here????

clearly not enough

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by Daoud No. The ball loses a lot of kinetic energy when it hits the ground. If you see that feature that they use, the greatest point of slowdown is when it hits the ground. It just isnt possible to speed up

I suggest you see it for yourself. Put your middle finger on top of the ball, put your index on the bottom and make it spin as much as you can! Try to give it some flight and land it with in 5 feet from the release and i am sure you'll see that after pitching the horizontal velocity of the ball has increased!

[PlanetPakistan]

Sometimes you can even make the ball 'spin back' at a faster horizontal velocity than you threw it with and sometimes it can be also be done while batting( most times it's unintentional)

[jackal786]

Originally Posted by Nauman How can a ball quicken up after pitching? You statement defies all laws of physics.

I am afraid you have not watched Wasim enough. He had this amazing ability to rush the batsman of the pitch. I don't know what he does. I have not seen it from others.

Two bowlers bowl at the same speed. But one reaches the batsman faster. Case in point is Mcgrath and Pathan. Both were bowling at an average speed of 78. Infact Pathan was slightly higher. But Mcgrath's balls did hurry the batsmen. But Pathan's deliveries just sat up and begging the batsman to hit. Mcgrath's deliveries don't lose the pace much after hitting the deck. There will defenitely be some loss of pace with a normal delivery. Some bowlers lose the pace alarmingly after pitching. Case in point is Pathan. Some bowlers infact the only bowler i have seen hurries the batsman after pitching.

There is some unknown technique probably Wasim used! But he was defenitely one of a kind when it comes to moving the ball of the pitch, of the seam and in the air or all three together.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by Awesome Anjum It is IMPOSSIBLE for the ball to gain pace once it pitches. This is because most of the kinetic energy is lost, some also wasted in heat/sound energy.

i aint saying friction doesnt kick in but anyone care to explain the flipper?

[Gujar]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy i aint saying friction doesnt kick in but anyone care to explain the flipper?

There is just less friction. The ball is not speeding up of the pitch it's just slowing less then it usually would.

Ditto to the guy who was talking about Wasim and Mcgrath and Pathan.

[jackal786]

Originally Posted by Gujar There is just less friction. The ball is not speeding up of the pitch it's just slowing less then it usually would. Ditto to the guy who was talking about Wasim and Mcgrath and Pathan.

Murali's balls do gain speed after pitching. But i dont contend your argument that ball cannot gain speed after pitching. May be the loss of speed is significantly smaller after pitching for certain bowlers. How do you manage to just kiss the turf ? How do you bowl so that your ball has less friction than others? We can watch various balls of flippers, top spinners and learn more about it. It is an understatement to say that Bowling has turned into science.

[PlanetPakistan]

you'll find that it's normally the swing bowlers that try kiss the ball of the turf and it's the seamers like Flintoff and Mcgrath who bowl the 'heavy ball'....
The reason why Murli's balls 'seem' to gain speed after pitching because a 'doosra' is a prime example of back spin...

[siddharth]

[QUOTE=jackal786]I am afraid you have not watched Wasim enough. He had this amazing ability to rush the batsman of the pitch. I don't know what he does. I have not seen it from others.

i wonder what is that out of the world ability, he is not a super human i guess .

[Invictus]

I think it has more to do with the batsmen's perception then the the ball getting faster after pitching. The ball gets to the batsmen earlier then he anticipates which has more to do with the batsman's perception then anything else. I think it has more to do with Wasim's quick arm action. It was very deceiving.
Flipper is the same story. The ball does'nt get faster its just skiddy and straight. The batsmen thinks its going to spin but it does'nt.