Saddam Executed.

[kablooee87]

Originally Posted by Smooth_Operator i've seen worse videos..but still quite disturbing...the guy went to the gallows bravely!

That's exactly why I was surprised at being so disturbed by it. I've seen some videos that were so disturbing I wish I had never come across them (ie Daniel Pearl's beheading) but I was surprised at my reaction to this fairly tame(graphically speaking) video.

[Saj]

Originally Posted by wacho I did not see any single post on this site or read an article on the web which said Saddam's death will stop the civil war in Iraq. Because the civil war is raging due to the sunni groups( with active support of other sunni arab countries) unwillingness to give up power they maintained by inhuman subjugation of the majority community and the retaliation that follows. And you are ready to blame the americans for everything under the sun.

Wacho, it seems that many of the British and American people believe that now that "big bad" Saddam has perished, all Iraq's problems will now be magically resolved.

Also its been made into a Sunni/Shia war by the "Liberators of Iraq". Divide the country, create factions, create mistrust - many a country before Iraq has seen this hapen to them too.

[Saj]

Originally Posted by wacho Comparing what bush did with Saddam is the ridiculous.He may have made mistakes but comparing them with the atrocities Saddam committed is laughable.

Wacho, nothing about Iraq, George Bush or Saddam is laughable. Count the number of folk that have died as a direct result of Saddam or Bush's policies/decisions/brutailty and there is no comparison.

Bush will go down in history as one of the Worlds biggest mass murderers. Here are just some of the countries where innocents have lost lives due to Bush's policies :-

Pakistan
Afghanistan
Iraq
Somalia

Many others I'm sure that people can add to the list?

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by wacho Comparing what bush did with Saddam is the ridiculous.He may have made mistakes but comparing them with the atrocities Saddam committed is laughable.

why is it ridiculous?

much more people have died as a result of Bush and the american government than Saddam killed - just cos they call it a "war" doesnt make it any less despicable than what Saddam did

[zushy_786]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed why is it ridiculous? much more people have died as a result of Bush and the american government than Saddam killed - just cos they call it a "war" doesnt make it any less despicable than what Saddam did

Geordie, I think what we have here is another poster who is an apologist for Bush who is willing to justify the cause for going to war in Iraq and failing to comprehend the impact of Bush's decisions and autrocities over winning the so-called war on terrorism....

[wacho]

Originally Posted by Saj Wacho, it seems that many of the British and American people believe that now that "big bad" Saddam has perished, all Iraq's problems will now be magically resolved. Also its been made into a Sunni/Shia war by the "Liberators of Iraq". Divide the country, create factions, create mistrust - many a country before Iraq has seen this hapen to them too.

The "liberators of Iraq" created these factions to kill their own soldiers(3000 and counting) and spend billions of dollars so that a civil war happens and al qaeda can establish a firm foothold in the country?

The sunnis and shia all over the world are living in a spirit of peaceful coexistence and americans are the ones who are spreading distrust among them?Bin Laden, Zarqawi were all preaching shia-sunni unity and Iran and Saudi Arabia love each other and it is america who created enmity between them.

[wacho]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed why is it ridiculous? much more people have died as a result of Bush and the american government than Saddam killed - just cos they call it a "war" doesnt make it any less despicable than what Saddam did

I am not supporting the war in iraq orchestrated by bush and the zionist clan.

What I am saying is in the last three years majority of the people who died are because of ethnic clashes rather than american bullets/bombs.

The majority of the people in here tend to blame the americans at the drop of a hat but failed/or dont want to realize that this did not have to happen after saddams downfall.They could have created a country where they could have lived peacefully instead of killing each other.

If you just answer the question who is killing whom today in Iraq that will give the answer.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by wacho I am not supporting the war in iraq orchestrated by bush and the zionist clan. What I am saying is in the last three years majority of the people who died are because of ethnic clashes rather than american bullets/bombs. The majority of the people in here tend to blame the americans at the drop of a hat but failed/or dont want to realize that this did not have to happen after saddams downfall.They could have created a country where they could have lived peacefully instead of killing each other. If you just answer the question who is killing whom today in Iraq that will give the answer.

yes majority of ppl dying are as a result of ethnic clashes BUT this situation was created after the invasion by the US - beforehand there was NEVER this much killing happening on a daily basis.

[wacho]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed yes majority of ppl dying are as a result of ethnic clashes BUT this situation was created after the invasion by the US - beforehand there was NEVER this much killing happening on a daily basis.

Yes Boss.I agree with you.

We all know that Bush is the most idiotic president there ever was and I dont think he ever had enough brainpower to think of all this but he is not evil like Saddam.

My only point is if people(Saudi's, Iran, Syria, Mullahs etc) start focusing on how to stop this bloodshed and getting the americans out of the country it would be better than blaming america.

But rather all these guys are pursuing their own agendas and the fueling the sectarian violence and people are getting sacrificed as a result.

[Saeed Anwar-194]

Originally Posted by MIG Saudis have expressed their disdain at the decision to hang Saddam on Eid Day. I dont think Maliki Mian and the Saudi get along that well... Waisay, Think about it, historically speaking, prisoners are set free or their sentences commuted on Eid day so am not sure why the hurry to execute him on Eid ? Any ideas ?

So the shia can be more happy on eid since it was eid for sunnies in iraq yesterday and shia today it was a slap on the face for the sunnies on eid day.
by the way i found this new video of saddam being taunted by shia before hes death http://informationclearinghouse.info/article16030.htm shocking.
for saddam Inna Lilah Wa Inna Ilahi Rajioun for him this is the best thing they can do to him making him a martyr for the iraqi resistance.

[zaf1986]

Originally Posted by Saeed Anwar-194 for saddam Inna Lilah Wa Inna Ilahi Rajioun for him this is the best thing they can do to him making him a martyr for the iraqi resistance.

Sorry dude - rofl - with views like that no wonder there is sectarian violence in Iraq and elsehwere...

[Saeed Anwar-194]

Originally Posted by zaf1986 Sorry dude - rofl - with views like that no wonder there is sectarian violence in Iraq and elsehwere...

excuse me what do you mean do we not all come from Allah and return to him?
and is he not considered a martyr by hes supporters? and is not shown in that video shia are taunting him?

[zaf1986]

apologies dude - I misread and thought you were calling him a martyr - sincere apologies

[Joseph K.]

Originally Posted by MIG It is because of him but I have always held this view that scum LIKE Saddam ( child molestors, rapists etc ) should be used for medical research ! What good is he to any of us, rotting in a jail using up money that would go towards saving lives of Iraqis in hosptials ! As for the religious angle, First his hands should have been chopped off for stealing from the people of Iraq, then his head for murder - thats as humane as I would want it to be for the Butcher of Iraq. I am a benign person at most times but being a father, I know the pain and anger if someone like Saddam hurt my son or daughter...

History is being written by the victorious, YET AGAIN. Why should we hang Saddam only, just because he lost his grasp on power? Shouldn't we hang and kill the mass murderers who killed almost three million people in Bangladesh in '71? Most of them are still alive, living in our midst, living luxurious lives as retired officers in our big cities. We respect them. They are still Major Sahibs and 'Jurrrnail, Kurrrnail' saabs. We live under the rule of an army blemished by genocide in its short history and we are quick to point fingers at someone who just died yesterday. Why can't we let Allah decide his fate in the after-life and, being Muslims, pray for his soul?

Why don't we question the genocide of Kurds at the hands of Turks? Why are we silent about the Darfur region in Sudan? Why should we only blame the person labelled as evil by the only super power, or why should we only blame the person who has hurt people from our own sect? WHY?

[in_cutter]

Saddam was used and abused by the U.S, then disposed of. But he did commit some horrible. crimes

[Amir_rulez]

Good news.

[Amir_rulez]

Originally Posted by Saeed Anwar-194 So the shia can be more happy on eid since it was eid for sunnies in iraq yesterday and shia today it was a slap on the face for the sunnies on eid day. by the way i found this new video of saddam being taunted by shia before hes death http://informationclearinghouse.info/article16030.htm shocking. for saddam Inna Lilah Wa Inna Ilahi Rajioun for him this is the best thing they can do to him making him a martyr for the iraqi resistance.

Thats couple of Sunnis lying on the ground.

http://varifrank.com/images/kurd_15.jpg

fyi, Kurds majority did & does follow Shafai school of thought. Doubt if they either took Saddam as martyr, or took his death as a slap on their face.
As for you, you can certainly wish, hope and pray that he gets a "special" place in hereafter, & that you join him exactly at that very special place. I dont mind you doing that one bit.

[HillRock]

What is disturbing me most is the way I am feeling about Sadam's hanging. I know he was a tyrant and responsible for the killing of his people yet I don't feel like happy about this whole saga. Is it due to the fact that the whole trial thing happened under US shadow? or is it that the Shia/Kurd judges were hell bent on to hang him despite human right organizations' objections about fair trial thing. Is it due to the fact that he was hanged on Eid day? Is it the cell phone video and all taunts to him in that video or slogans about Muqtada (a well-known death squad leader) in the video? Can some body please explain it to me?

[Saeed Anwar-194]

Originally Posted by Amir_rulez Thats couple of Sunnis lying on the ground. http://varifrank.com/images/kurd_15.jpg fyi, Kurds majority did & does follow Shafai school of thought. Doubt if they either took Saddam as martyr, or took his death as a slap on their face. As for you, you can certainly wish, hope and pray that he gets a "special" place in hereafter, & that you join him exactly at that very special place. I dont mind you doing that one bit.

i think i have touched your nerve maybe we should leave it to Allah where he is going he is the ultimate judge and will give justice to saddam hussain and the people he commited injustice to.
and for you to make a judgement that he is going to hell how do you know you know the unseen or some angel has told you? maybe you should worry for yourself where you are going dont worry about saddam or me we have to answer to Allah about our deeds we wont be questioned about saddam, or anyone else.
btw whatever saddam did in hes life was bad but hes death at least was like a true soldier fearless and with the last words of the kalima shahdah. not everyone gets this kind of death he may not lived like a muslim but he surely died as a muslim.(ie reciting the kalima)

[Saeed Anwar-194]

Originally Posted by HillRock the fact Is it the cell phone video and all taunts to him in that video or slogans about Muqtada (a well-known death squad leader) in the video? Can some body please explain it to me?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...3CA02D04E8.htm

video shows Saddam being taunted
The grainy image of Saddam's execution was probably
captured on a mobile phone by a witness

A new video has emerged showing Saddam Hussein, the former Iraqi president, exchanging taunts with onlookers before the gallows floor dropped away and he was hanged.


The video, first broadcast by Al Jazeera on Sunday, was captured on a mobile phone when Saddam was executed on Saturday.



Someone among the witnesses can be heard praising Muhammad Bakr al-Sadr, the founder of the Shia Dawa party and an uncle of Muqtada al-Sadr, who was executed in 1980 by Saddam.


"God damn you," a guard said.



"God damn you," replied Saddam.



Saddam appeared to smile at those taunting him from below the gallows. He said they were not showing manhood.


Then Saddam began reciting the Shahada, a Muslim prayer that says there is no God but God and Muhammad is his messenger, according to an unabridged copy of the video clip, which was posted on a website.



Saddam made it to midway through his second recitation of the verse. His last word was Muhammad. Then the floor dropped out of the gallows.



'Act of revenge'



Najib al-Nuaimi, a member of the defence team, told Al Jazeera on Sunday that no Sunni lawyer was allowed to be among the execution witnesses and that the conduct of those present showed it was an act of revenge and for political purposes.


"This is not in the normal procedures to execute a normal person," he said.

By several accounts, Saddam was calm but scornful of his captors, engaging in a give-and-take with the crowd gathered to watch him die and insisting he was Iraq's saviour, not its tyrant and scourge.



Munir Haddad, an appeals court judge who witnessed the hanging, told the BBC: "He said we are going to heaven and our enemies will rot in hell and he also called for forgiveness and love among Iraqis but also stressed that the Iraqis should fight the Americans and the Persians."



Witness account



Another witness, Mowaffak al-Rubaie, the Iraqi national security adviser, told The New York Times that one of the guards shouted at Saddam: "You have destroyed us. You have killed us. You have made us live in destitution."


Al-Rubaie told the newspaper that Saddam responded: "I have saved you from destitution and misery and destroyed your enemies, the Persians and Americans."


Saddam has been buried in Awja village, close to Tikrit.

[Usman]

Originally Posted by Rana My thread got removed, it actually had the execution!

Rana, would it be possible for you too tell me how I can get hold of this video with the full execution? Thanks.

[Bitman]

Originally Posted by Usman Rana, would it be possible for you too tell me how I can get hold of this video with the full execution? Thanks.

Go to the Google Videos site and search for Saddam Execution Video?

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Joseph K. History is being written by the victorious, YET AGAIN. Why should we hang Saddam only, just because he lost his grasp on power? Shouldn't we hang and kill the mass murderers who killed almost three million people in Bangladesh in '71? Most of them are still alive, living in our midst, living luxurious lives as retired officers in our big cities. We respect them. They are still Major Sahibs and 'Jurrrnail, Kurrrnail' saabs. We live under the rule of an army blemished by genocide in its short history and we are quick to point fingers at someone who just died yesterday. Why can't we let Allah decide his fate in the after-life and, being Muslims, pray for his soul? Why don't we question the genocide of Kurds at the hands of Turks? Why are we silent about the Darfur region in Sudan? Why should we only blame the person labelled as evil by the only super power, or why should we only blame the person who has hurt people from our own sect? WHY?

Jk - Happy New Year Bhai.

And I totally agree with you - ALL the people you have mentioned above should get their come uppance. But Saddam deserves his own place in hell too.

If people havent noticed, the "grainy video" image isnt an accident. It has been leaked deliberately to scare the pants off local rulers... Stay in Line or you will go the same way. The fact that Saddam also "happen" to kill a few thousand on the way is also relevant, IMO.

[z10]

saddam was a muslim, so it is not our place to condemn him to hell.

[Sean]

The video is bad, you see him fall and then they show him just hanging there.
I wouldnt be celebrating even though he was so evil.

[MIG]

Originally Posted by usb saddam was a muslim, so it is not our place to condemn him to hell.

Fine - but we may call him a mass murderer if you like z.

[z10]

ofcourse

[MIG]

Originally Posted by usb ofcourse

So you think mass murderers have a chance in hell, so to speak ? People like Bush, Osama, Sharon, Blair to name a few - are they all destined for a cushy life hereafter or are you drawing line between so called Muslim bad guys and non Muslim bad guys?

[Genuine786]

They killed the fake Saddam not the real one.

[Wazeeri]

Muslim or non muslim we can't say who will go to hell.
You can make general comments about murderers, rapist...etc as a whole but not specific individuals,

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Wazeeri Muslim or non muslim we can't say who will go to hell. You can make general comments about murderers, rapist...etc as a whole but not specific individuals,

So can I pray to ALLAH to send this man to Jahanam, just like we ask Him to send people to Jannah ?

[Saeed Anwar-194]

Originally Posted by MIG So can I pray to ALLAH to send this man to Jahanam, just like we ask Him to send people to Jannah ?

end of the day if saddam died with imaan and repented for hes sin who are we to say he is going to hell or pray for him to go to hell a muslim does not pray for any muslim to go to hell only Allah decides who goes to hell and who doesnt.
do we know are we going to jannah? no we dont so why should we say this person is going to hell or jannah this is a matter between Allah & He's slaves and he is the ultimate judge and will decide on Yuam al Qiyamah.

[OZGOD]

I'm not sure how it works in Islam, but in Christianity, if Saddam (assuming he was Christian) had GENUINELY repented for his sins, then it is up to God to decide whether he goes to heaven or hell.

[OZGOD]

I would have much preferred that Saddam had been sentenced to life in prison, hard labour, with no possibility of parole. Maybe they could have made him dig ditches or build houses or something for the families of the people he murdered.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by OZGOD I'm not sure how it works in Islam, but in Christianity, if Saddam (assuming he was Christian) had GENUINELY repented for his sins, then it is up to God to decide whether he goes to heaven or hell.

same thing in Islam

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by OZGOD I would have much preferred that Saddam had been sentenced to life in prison, hard labour, with no possibility of parole. Maybe they could have made him dig ditches or build houses or something for the families of the people he murdered.

I agree with that - atleast get something out of him

[OZGOD]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed I agree with that - atleast get something out of him

Exactly - get something productive out of him, and let God decide when it's time for him to be called before Him for judgment.

[Genghis]

The whole episode hits a nerve, not because Saddam didn't deserve to be punished, more so because it seems it was very much a political stunt. Seeing a man taunted in his final minutes and being told "go to hell" shows how low some people can go. Saddam has done many horrible things and while I agree a death penalty was the correct verdict (islamically at least), the way he went and the timing is disrespectful to Sunni Muslims.

Also as a Muslim we have no right to pray to Allah to send a man to Hell. Only Allah knows who will go to heaven and hell. Even wishing Bush/Blair go to hell is not right IMO, and it is better to pray that Allah shows them the correct path. In the end, Allah is all-knowing!

[Invictus]

It was a bit too political. Looked staged and seemed to be desingned to get political mileage. Its all in Allah's hands now people wishing this that or the other won't change anything.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by MIG So can I pray to ALLAH to send this man to Jahanam, just like we ask Him to send people to Jannah ?

"My MERCY BEFORE MY ANGER"


There is a Hadith narrated by Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri, about a man who murdered 99 people during his life time. Here is how that story goes.

The Prophet has explained this by relating the story of a man who had killed 99 people. He then went to a scholar and asked whether Allah would accept his repentance. The scholar told that he could not see that he could ever be forgiven after having committed all those murders. The man, then, killed the scholar and completed the number of his victims to 100. He then went to another scholar and asked him whether Allah would accept his repentance. This scholar told him that there was no reason why his repentance could not be accepted. He advised him to repent immediately and not to do any more crimes. When the man complied, the scholar advised him to go to a particular town which was full of good people. He would have there a good environment which would enable him to strengthen his resolve not to disobey Allah anymore. The man was on his way to that town when Allah caused him to die. The Prophet then explains that the angel of paradise and the angel of hell disputed among themselves to which party the man  belonged. The angels who are charged with administering punishment to sinners argued that the man never did a good deed, but the others argued that he repented and started acting on his repentance by traveling to this city. Allah sent to them an angel who advised them to measure the distance between the city of evildoers which the man had left and the distance to the city of good believers to which he was going. If he was nearer to the first, then he was still a sinner and should be punished. If he was nearer to the city of good believers, he should be counted among them. The Prophet then says: "When they began to make their measurements, Allah ordered the city of evil to move away and ordered the city of goodness to draw nearer. He was found to be closer to it [the city of goodness] and his soul was taken by the angels of mercy. He was forgiven." This Hadith gives a clear example that Allah forgives all types of sins, with the exception of associating partners with Him.

It is said after God made the whole world and the 7 heavens, before He rested on His throne, He wrote "My MERCY BEFORE MY ANGER"

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Saeed Anwar-194 end of the day if saddam died with imaan and repented for hes sin who are we to say he is going to hell or pray for him to go to hell a muslim does not pray for any muslim to go to hell only Allah decides who goes to hell and who doesnt. do we know are we going to jannah? no we dont so why should we say this person is going to hell or jannah this is a matter between Allah & He's slaves and he is the ultimate judge and will decide on Yuam al Qiyamah.

But we can pray to ALLAH to punish this man in the next life ? Is that so strange ? We ask Him to forgive the sins of our dear departed ones and provide a place in Jannah - you could argue that "who are we to second guess ALLAH?"

And what is this imaan that you speak of ? To his last dying moments he did not show any remorse for the killings he and his henchmen carried out - is that the strength of his Imaan ?

I understand that ALLAH will judge us all on the day of judgement but pls note that not ALL of us are murderers or have commit genocide.

I also understand that ALLAH is most merciful but He will also not ignore the cries of an orphan or a widow, slaugheterd by Saddam ( or Bush or Blair or Musharraf or Zia or any other leaders)

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy "My MERCY BEFORE MY ANGER" There is a Hadith narrated by Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri, about a man who murdered 99 people during his life time. Here is how that story goes. It is said after God made the whole world and the 7 heavens, before He rested on His throne, He wrote "My MERCY BEFORE MY ANGER"

Excellent Hadith to quote but the murderer was asked to :

1. Repent unconditionally - very important.
2. Put his repentance to the test - ie started to walk towards the City of Good

Whereas he may have repented in his heart but how did he put that into practice ( point 2 of the Hadith) ? Did he announce his apology at the gallows ? No, infact he seemed defiant to the last minute - where was the remorse ?

Btw, does the above Hadith give a carte blanche to murderers or people to commit genocide?

[zaf1986]

Originally Posted by usb saddam was a muslim, so it is not our place to condemn him to hell.

He didn't care much about Islam during his rule...

[Zechariah]

Originally Posted by zaf1986 He didn't care much about Islam during his rule...

Of course all the Ya Ali madads care more for Islam who are joyous when a Muslim president is hanged.

[zaf1986]

Originally Posted by Brilliant Of course all the Ya Ali madads care more for Islam who are joyous when a Muslim president is hanged.

Funny how MMA types hate Musharraf the evil dictator but are sad at the death of Saddam the good dictator.

Go and read up on the history of the Ba'ath party and then come and talk.

[Rudi hater]

MIG. I am glad you are not an ultimate judge. Can you answer some of the questions

What do you call people who consipre against a country? in my books they are traitors and what is the punishment of the traitors? In any country even in Pakistan we would have done the same with reblious people what saddam did to those be it unfortunate.. Pakistan is currently doing it in triabl areas and they have done it in Boluchestan Akbar Bughti etc. Should we hang Musharaff too??

As far as him going to hell is concern we will leave it Allah the merciful. No need to pass judgment that is the Almighty's decision not mine or yours where he goes no matter how bad he was.

One thing for sure he died a like lion and not a pussycat.

[zaf1986]

Originally Posted by Rudi hater MIG. I am glad you are not an ultimate judge. Can you answer some of the questions What do you call people who consipre against a country? in my books they are traitors and what is the punishment of the traitors? In any country even in Pakistan we would have done the same with reblious people what saddam did to those be it unfortunate.. Pakistan is currently doing it in triabl areas and they have done it in Boluchestan Akbar Bughti etc. Should we Musharaff too??

Are you saying the Shias and Kurds were traitors to Iraq? If so, absolute crap.

[Rudi hater]

We have seen enough documentaries about Iran's Khemenie's brutalities in the name of Islam. Should he be hanged too?? I say no, thats his business and he will answer in hereafter.

[Rudi hater]

They are. There is no doubt about that.

[zaf1986]

Originally Posted by Rudi hater They are. There is no doubt about that.

Haha, well there's no discussion then. I believe in democracy (65% Shia population) you obviously don't.

The following verse of the Quran is enough for all oppressors, Saddam included:

"...and those who oppress shall know to what final place of turning they shall turn back."
-Chapter 26, verse 227

[Rudi hater]

Oppress rebels?? where does it says in Quran??

[zaf1986]

Rebelling against oppressors is perfectly Islamic. Hazrat Bilal and Imam Husain's examples are there for all to see.

[Rudi hater]

We know who colloborated with Kuffars and who didn't. That has been the case throughout the muslim history.

[Rudi hater]

For the sake of Islam not worldely gains Hazarat Imam Hussian didn't rebel coz he wanted chair or the kingdom. Kurd and shia want to create their own little nations.....which is nothing like Hazrat Imam Hussain objectives.

[zaf1986]

Originally Posted by Rudi hater For the sake of Islam not worldely gains Hazarat Imam Hussian didn't rebels coz he wanted chair or the kingdom. Kurd and shia want to create their own little nations.....which is nothing like Hazrat Imam Hussain objectives.

Don't blame them...

[Rudi hater]

Tell me this, do Kurd not want an indepentent nation??

[zaf1986]

kurds yes, shia no...

[Rudi hater]

Don't blame them...

Well they can rely on Kuffars and they will get what they want....dream on.

[Rudi hater]

What should any country do when some of the people just pick up arms and want independence?What shoud be done in such circumstances if people in one of the regions rebel?

[Invictus]

Okay so people are not discussing how what Saddam did was justifiable. Nice. Okay forget about shias for a minute since they dont deserve sympathy and need to be gassed and killed ( I am one by the way so do bear with me) but why were the people of Kuwait and Iran both Muslims were invaded and killed brutally? What good did Saddam actually do the muslims? He was very popular with the Americans before the Gulf war he was their favourate dictator but how things change.
Anyone who thinks Saddam was brave sadly does not know what bravery is and means. He did not fight with his soilders instead he ran and hide and left his two sons to die. He said the Kalima when he was left to die with no choice any cowardly muslim would have done the same.

[Rudi hater]

Okay so people are not discussing how what Saddam did was justifiable. Nice. Okay forget about shias for a minute since they dont deserve sympathy and need to be gassed and killed ( I am one by the way so do bear with me) but why were the people of Kuwait and Iran both Muslims were invaded and killed brutally? What good did Saddam actually do the muslims? He was very popular with the Americans before the Gulf war he was their favourate dictator but how things change. Anyone who thinks Saddam was brave sadly does not know what bravery is and means. He did not fight with his soilders instead he ran and hide and left his two sons to die. He said the Kalima when he was left to die with no choice any cowardly muslim would have done the same.

Firstly, I didn't know Iran was a sunni country but neverthess thanks for info. Secondly, I don't know when he invaded Iran he did invade Kuwait city. That should have been dealt like the way rest of musilm world and USA deals with Israel.

Thirdly, I don't know who is coward Moqtada or Sadam?? only people will tell you.

[Invictus]

I am sorry bud I forgot Iran is a shia majority country and needs to be invaded. I am sorry again as it seems like I asked you how the Kuwait issue was handled instead of asking how invading Kuwait was a great gesture of muslim prosperity. Let me ask you another question.
Please name something Saddam did to help Islam, anything would do and if you manage to find one thing Saddam did that helped Islam I would name atleast 10 that he did to destroy Islam.
You definately know who is a coward. I dont know why you have to add Moqtada into this I dont care much for them either. Anyway who chooses to run away from his fancy palace while his army dies for him is a coward. Anone who forces his nation into one war after the next just because his masters asked him to is a coward. Anyone who gets caught in a hole in his own country by the invaders and doesn't even try to fight his captors is a coward. I can go on but hopefully you get the jestt of my msg. Peace.

[Rudi hater]

He showed us muslim what Bush and Western can do to our rulers and how Islam is percieved in the west. He has shown us what happens when our rulers go against USA what happens to them and how the American treat different nations with double standards. I think that was a great service to Islam for me we needed a kick on our backside to realise. Next Iran then God knows who.

[HillRock]

Originally Posted by Invictus I am sorry bud I forgot Iran is a shia majority country and needs to be invaded. I am sorry again as it seems like I asked you how the Kuwait issue was handled instead of asking how invading Kuwait was a great gesture of muslim prosperity. Let me ask you another question. Please name something Saddam did to help Islam, anything would do and if you manage to find one thing Saddam did that helped Islam I would name atleast 10 that he did to destroy Islam. You definately know who is a coward. I dont know why you have to add Moqtada into this I dont care much for them either. Anyway who chooses to run away from his fancy palace while his army dies for him is a coward. Anone who forces his nation into one war after the next just because his masters asked him to is a coward. Anyone who gets caught in a hole in his own country by the invaders and doesn't even try to fight his captors is a coward. I can go on but hopefully you get the jestt of my msg. Peace.

Muqtada was not added by him. Watch the cell phone video, then you will know who added Muqtada into this.

[Wazeeri]

Rudi

Saddam Killed millions in Iran with the Kufar backing.
Saddam attacked Quwait
Saddam also came into power by rebelling

He killed people because individuals from communities tried to assasinate him.
He gased ordinary people who had nothing to do with the uprising.

He was not a hero, he was evil and doesn't deserve our affection just because another evil regime was at the head of his demise.

So can I pray to ALLAH to send this man to Jahanam,

Mig

I wouldn't as than you too are as bad as him. I am sure hell is worst than a Gas attack.

[OZGOD]

Originally Posted by Invictus Anyone who thinks Saddam was brave sadly does not know what bravery is and means. He did not fight with his soilders instead he ran and hide and left his two sons to die. He said the Kalima when he was left to die with no choice any cowardly muslim would have done the same.

Didn't look very brave back then, did he, hiding in his tiny hole.

[zaf1986]

Originally Posted by Rudi hater Secondly, I don't know when he invaded Iran he did invade Kuwait city. That should have been dealt like the way rest of musilm world and USA deals with Israel. Thirdly, I don't know who is coward Moqtada or Sadam?? only people will tell you.

That's why I told you to read some history before commenting.

[Genghis]

Saddam was a coward and an evil person. The sad thing out of this is that he was initially praised by the superpowers and was provided weapons. The US had no problems when he was killing Kurds and attacking Iran because he was doing their dirty work. He was a good man until he went against the US wishes and attacked Kuwait.

He has been trialed mostly for the killings he did during the period that he was a US puppet. It's sad that others nations who helped him carry out these attrocities will get away with it. I cannot understand how anyone can rejoice his death when the real culprits are still walking free.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by MIG I think that shows lack of mental stability ! For all talk of proof about US etc, he was able to provide none of that in his trial etc - just shows that he was full of hot air... To the people of Halabja and Marsh Arabs and countless others, I say - justice has been served - or maybe not. There is a picture of an old man kissing an unearthed skull that belongs to his son, killed at Saddams behest - ask this father and he would say hanging Saddam with dignity is no justice at all - he should have been tortured and gassed in the same way he treated his countrymen. And to those who talk about US injustices etc, I would say, lets clean up our own house and then look at the outside world for blame. People like Saddam were Arab to the core - they could have walked away from brutality at any time in their sorry lives but they continued till the end. For such people, the fires of Jahanam and a promise of judgement at some time are too easy a way out. My sympathies with the people of Iraq who continue to pay with blood for his legacy. Burn in Hell Mr. Saddam - you are no Muslim or if you are one, then I have been following the wrong faith all my life !

MIG, please - for your own sake you shouldn't be accusing someone of not being a Muslim.

I am not saying he is not guilty of anything. All I am saying is that we believe Allah is the Most Merciful. He may have forgiven Saddam for all we know. Now if it is at all possible that Allah has, then I'm afraid you have no right to imply he is not a Muslim.

As for halabja, it has never been confirmed who was guilty of that crime - presumably why his execution was rushed to avoid some truths that may have come out from that.

[Amir_rulez]

Few things I would like to touch base on:

1) There is not even an iota of doubt that your Lord is merciful. HE is compassionate, HE is forgiving. HIS blessings know no bound. HE can forgive your sin regardless of its magnitude, but one thing that is extremely important for you, as a muslim, to know is, when your sin involves a third person, rules and regulations change. If I assassinate your brother….. until & unless you (on behalf of your victim brother) decide to excuse me, neither can I pay blood money (instead of facing execution) in this world, nor will I be pardoned in the hereafter. That’s the demand of justice, and I don’t believe in a God that is unjust. Now if you think victims and families of victims have pardoned this murderer, good for you.

2) As for the bravery of Saddam, I would seek some explanation from those who made such claims.

a) 1959, the guy attempts to assassinate the military ruler of his time. Gets caught and is put behind bars. Later on he flees the country. How exactly does fleeing fall under same category as bravery?
b) In 90s, I still remember when he ordered his army to drag Ayatullah Khoi around dead bodies in Najaf, just to show his power and what he could do. Khoi, like Sistani was never interested in any power. Need for this brave act?
c) Invasion of Iraq by American troops started in March 03. The fall of Baghdad on April 9th, 03. How long did that never-ending period of resistance last? 39 months … no wait, 39 DAYS, AT THE MAX. Brave, eh? Surely the country that waged war against Iran for 8 years should have showed more courage here.
Forget fighting a man’s fight…. the courageous soldier was recovered from a hole deeper than a grave, i.e., 8 ft. Sounds more rat than lion to me.
Besides, I seriously doubt Wallace would have simply handed himself over to enemies without putting up any sort of resistance in the hole.
d) I haven’t watched the video, but read somewhere he was broken, very broken at the last moment. Unless you are not proud of what you did in your life, I don’t see a reason why you would break down?

3) As for Bush’s hand in all this. Well, I absolutely agree that Bush had committed crimes against humanity. He got blood of innocents on his hands. He is a tyrant as well. But this is how the system of Almighty works. Ever seen a snake? It reproduces and reproduces and reproduces. And then after a while, it goes ahead and eats up its own off springs. If it wasn’t for this, you would see snakes everywhere, and survival of mankind would be from hard to impossible.
Saddam, Laden, Taliban are all mini snakes created & supported by, you know who. Now the snake in command is swallowing its off springs. I don’t find that surprising.
Besides, I forgot the exact ayat in Arabic but doesn’t Quran says that, jab ek zalim ka zulm hudd se guzar jaye, to Allah dosre zalim ko is par qabiz kar deta hai?

4) And finally, the Sunni-Shia war.
Unless Imam Shafai’s follower Kurds don’t count, I think massacre faced by Sunnis isn’t too far behind that faced by shias. But full credit to media for shaping up an excellent Sunni- Shia war here.

[Amir_rulez]

Originally Posted by Amir_rulez Few things I would like to touch base on: 1) There is not even an iota of doubt that your Lord is merciful. HE is compassionate, HE is forgiving. HIS blessings know no bound. HE can forgive your sin regardless of its magnitude, but one thing that is extremely important for you, as a muslim, to know is, when your sin involves a third person, rules and regulations change. If I assassinate your brother….. until & unless you (on behalf of your victim brother) decide to excuse me, neither can I pay blood money (instead of facing execution) in this world, nor will I be pardoned in the hereafter. That’s the demand of justice, and I don’t believe in a God that is unjust. Now if you think victims and families of victims have pardoned this murderer, good for you.

P.S., A muslim murderer will face as much a punishment as a non-muslim murderer. You cannot be a muslim and simply get away with anything you want. The Law applies the same on everyone.
As a matter of fact, this is what sets us apart from Christianity. Just believing in Jesus or another higher religious authority, and repenting is NOT enough.
Surah Zalzalah in 30th chapter clearly says:

"Wa main yamul misqala zarratun khairian yarah
fa man yamul misqala zarratun sharran yarah"

YUSUFALI: Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it!

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YUSUFALI: And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it.

You will be held accountable for a sin even if it is as minute as a particle, or a grain of sand.
Doesn't say "A muslim is exempted" anywhere, does it?

[zaf1986]

Originally Posted by Amir rulez Quran says that, jab ek zalim ka zulm hudd se guzar jaye, to Allah dosre zalim ko is par qabiz kar deta hai?

Its a hadith, IIRC.

[HAFRIDI]

WARNING- watch the video on ur own initiative

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c5daa5b733

new 27 sec video of saddam after getting hanged.

also check this out

http://www.saddamnotdead.com/

[Adeel786]

so what exactly happens when someone gets hanged. Why the meat coming out of his neck. I thought you are just enable to breath therefore you die.

[Genuine786]

As they say who knows if it is the real Saddam or not?

[Hash]

Originally Posted by Genuine786 As they say who knows if it is the real Saddam or not?

I think they worked it out by getting DNA from his sons bodies and his palace. May be mistaken.

[Daoud]

Well check this out

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6244425.stm

It is a typical nondescript village - like many others - in the northern Indian state of Bihar.

It consists of unplastered brick houses, dusty lanes, thatched structures and dirt-laden children with no shoes and running noses.

There appears to be little running water or other infrastructure.

But there is one thing about the village of Lakhanow - and other settlements in the area - that makes them strikingly different.

Sunni Muslims

Ejaj Alam - a small-time civil contractor in his mid-30s - provides the answer: he has decided to re-name his three-year-old son.

Instead of being called Majhar Alam, Mr Alam has opted to call the boy Saddam Hussein in honour of the former Iraqi leader who was executed on 30 December.


Ejaj Alam and Majhar Alam
God willing one day our village will be full of Saddam Husseins
Ejaj Alam

Stalins and Lenins in India

What is more, the child will not be the only Saddam Hussein in the neighbourhood. There are more than 20 other Saddam Husseins in Lakhanow alone.

Local people say there are more than 100 Saddam Husseins in 27 adjoining villages dominated by mostly Sunni Muslims.

There is even a family with one son called Saddam Hussein and a younger sibling called Osama Bin Laden.

Perhaps it is no coincidence that all the children bearing the name of Saddam Hussein were born after the first American war with Iraq in 1991.

Before the war, the name Saddam Hussein was hardly used at all, says Mohammed Nizamuddin, whose grandson was born in 1991 and is called Saddam Hussein.

'Miscalculations'

And, now after the recent high-profile and much photographed execution of the Iraqi leader, the villagers of Lakhanow have decided to name all the new born baby boys after him.

"This is our way to pay tribute to our leader. We want to carry on his legacy here at least in our village," said Ejaj Alam.

"God willing one day our village will be full of Saddam Husseins."

Other villagers feel equally passionate about the issue.

Saddam Hussein in court. File photo
Saddam Hussein is hero of the village

"George Bush can hang one Saddam Hussein but we will create an army of Saddam Husseins. Let him come to our village and see how Saddam Hussein can never be executed," local leader Ayub Khan said.

There is no talk here of the former Iraqi leader's appalling human rights record, no mention of the people he murdered and no references to his numerous "miscalculations". All that is brushed aside by the Saddam Hussein personality cult.

Close to the village is the only private school, Dini Academy, where almost 100 Saddam Husseins come to read, write and know more about the former Iraqi leader.

"It was during the Gulf War we came to know about the bravery and valour of the Iraqi president who mustered courage to defy American diktats," Mr Nizamuddin said.

'Great leader'

The villagers make no secret of the fact that the American president is not their most admired personality.

Most argue that Saddam Hussein has been "immortalised" following his execution.

Many may have only scant knowledge of who Saddam was, but that does not stop them believing propaganda which confers him with almost God-like status.

So what do the new Saddam Husseins think about their name changes? The signs are that they have been told what to think from an early age.

Young Saddam Husseins in Lakhanow
Most say they want to emulate the Iraqi leader

"I feel extremely proud being named Saddam Hussein. He was a great leader, a lion who took on the might of America and became a saviour of the weak," said one "Little Saddam" born in May 1993.

"I too would like to be like the Iraqi president and die a death like him."

Another Saddam - born in May 1992 - says proudly that he "will try and live up to name of the great warrior".

Yet another calls Saddam Hussein a "dear leader".

The eldest Saddam Hussein in the village - born soon after the first Gulf war - appears the most vociferous.

"I owe a great debt to my father for naming me after our revered leader. It was only after his execution, when news and photographs appeared in the newspapers that I came to know how great he was," he said.

On the day of the execution, all the Saddam Husseins of the area congregated in the village mosque to pray for his soul.

Then they staged a procession and burnt effigies of George Bush.

But there is one problem in having so many Saddam Husseins, says villager Mohammed Hassan Abbas.

"In the playground we have Saddam Hussein running after Saddam Hussein, behind Saddam Hussein who is ahead of Saddam Hussein but too far from Saddam Hussein... it can all get a little confusing," he said.

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Very interesting scenario if a bit disturbing