Why is it Farhat?

[iZeeshan]

Everyone says to drop Farhat, get rid of him! Every line up posted gets rid of Farhat with Hafeez and Hameed opening! Now what have they done? Yea I thought so. And this has been happeneing for quite a while.

Farhat scores, but Hafeez "looked good" so he should play. Cricket isn't a beauty contest, its a run contest. Whoever makes the most runs, PLAYS. I don't care if his shots looks ugly if that is thats even the case.

I just get very angry wehn I see Farhat dropped because quite frankly, hes the best we have in Pakistan after Salman Butt!

I am done for now, but will be back later!

[ahsan17]

I agree with you. he has been making runs quite consistently over the past some months. Sure, he hasn't look good, but at the end of the day, runs matter.

[Osman]

calm down ... hes only on 11 runs yet he hasnt done anything special. will most likely flash one to slips pretty soon.

[Raza Sohail]

Originally Posted by Osman calm down ... hes only on 11 runs yet he hasnt done anything special. will most likely flash one to slips pretty soon.

and that is the key. its not a technical issue, and its not a talent issue, its all about mental toughness. This kind of flashy batting may work in pajama cricket, but not on the test level.

[ahsan17]

lol. Didn't take him long to depart though.

[sharuk]

and hes gone, DROP the fisherman # 2

[Amoeba]

About as regular as clockwork! Farhat caught in the slips.

[iZeeshan]

Ok fine he went early! But he still played better then the others. And even if he didn't why is Farhat the first one to go?

[Sheikh_Ji]

And Farhat is out. Persoally im a fan of Farhat's and really glad to see he and Hafeez got a nice long run. But i think now its he's had more than enough chances. What frustrates me the most is the fact that none of our openners show any sign of improvement or willingness to learn from mistakes; and all of them have major technical flaws.

[Osman]

there you go, just like i said ... the cricinfo commentary sums farhat up perfectly.

Kallis to Imran Farhat, OUT, there it is! Well, you have to say that was coming! A fraction fuller, a fraction less seam movement, and a bit of extra bounce. Farhat could only fence that one straight to Graeme Smith at first slip, and Pakistan are in all sorts of bother!

[Raza Sohail]

Originally Posted by PepsiCola Ok fine he went early! But he still played better then the others. And even if he didn't why is Farhat the first one to go?

[midwicket]

Form follows function! True in an awful lot of fields. If it looks ugly it's forced and more liable to fail and be less adaptable to new conditions. If it looks right it's flows naturally and should adapt more easily.

[pak4life]

farhat is technically soo poor any decent bowler will work him over

[Asim2Good]

Farhat has been very lucky recently. been given chance (by opposite team) like every inn he has played.

on other hand Hafeez been looking solid since his return, but unable to carry on with big scores.

[the Great Khan]

Farhat is rubbish..how many times will he flash outside the off stump?? i wonder if butt has improved his technique becuase he was going the same way too..we need some solid boring openers..who can grind their way to 60-0 or 80-0...being 47-3 is just rubbish...we shouldnt have played hameed today at 3 as YK is better at 3...seems farhats father in laws tantrum has made sure he gets a run in the team..well until we find two good solid openers we are always gonna be stuck!!

[UJ]

Thats what amuses me. Farhat consistently outscores our other openers and yet people still want to drop him. Well, I'm no Farhat fan but at the end of the day its the runs on the board that count. For all his failings, Farhat manages to score runs, and as long as he remians lucky he shouldn't be dropped.

[rayhan]

Farhat is a very lucky boy, he gives five or six chances and manages to get a life in every one of them, Hafeez played well and got out to a great ball, also in previous innings Hafeez gives a chance he gets cleaned up, not so with Farhat. Hafeez looks better, Farhat & Hameed are Fisherman's friends.

[shan]

why every one blame farhat? he scored more runs the hameed and hafeez combined

[Saqlain_doosra]

Originally Posted by ahsan17 I agree with you. he has been making runs quite consistently over the past some months. Sure, he hasn't look good, but at the end of the day, runs matter.

He has been scoring big centuries and should be first name on the sheet. Some players will get chance to play wihtout scroing any century for 3 years becuse of talent. Where as some will never get a chance. I wonder what good bob sees in him.

Then again PP wanted consistancy and now you have it. Consistence failure being kep in the team for sake of it.

[Bailan]

the meaninglessness of the pakistan top order is getting really boring .... might as well play with 9 players instead of 11 ... atleast they won't be a liability ....

(insert your favrite animal here) like Hameed, butt, farhat, hafeez, imran nazir and others need to go and try their luck in other sports ....

[Legendary_Sage]

what do u guys think about the talent in shahid yousuf,misbah though he is old but trust me he is more mature mentally then these so call talented hameed n farhat
y not play shahid nazir he must be far better then both of them who will never learn

[whyhkk]

I think at least until the world cup, farhat will stay. Afterwards the new coach has to change him. Sure he makes more runs but at least learn from your mistakes. This just shows he is not maturing and there is just no point in keeping him in the team

[suhaib]

a 20 on this pitch is like a 100. plus he was batting at the worserest time, in morning with new ball moving everywhere

[immubhai]

Originally Posted by suhaib a 20 on this pitch is like a 100. plus he was batting at the worserest time, in morning with new ball moving everywhere

He wanted to be an opener? he easily could have become a panwala with his bandana but no, he wanted to face the new ball and give some good practice to the slip cordon....he always does the same thing over and over...he even gets at times lucky that he does not get contact with the ball leaving way out of the off stump but he likes to keep the slip cordon on their toes...Hafeeez gotten 2 times wrong lbw decision in this series but Farhat and Hameed (fisherman)...I ll kill them both with one stone...Pakistan plays with 8 batsman and 2 bowlers (-: Stupid team management

[SUPERSAMI]

The only time Farhat scores is when he's continually dropped, when he isn't he goes for a low score. Hafeez looks competent and you kind of think this with a few more chances he might just become a decent opener, but neither one has done his job this series, for whatever reasons.

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by immubhai He wanted to be an opener? he easily could have become a panwala with his bandana but no, he wanted to face the new ball and give some good practice to the slip cordon....he always does the same thing over and over...he even gets at times lucky that he does not get contact with the ball leaving way out of the off stump but he likes to keep the slip cordon on their toes...Hafeeez gotten 2 times wrong lbw decision in this series but Farhat and Hameed (fisherman)...I ll kill them both with one stone...Pakistan plays with 8 batsman and 2 bowlers (-: Stupid team management

Make that 1 and a half bowler, as Akmal destroys half of Kaneria's potency. I doubt that Warney and Murali would have half the wickets they have if they had to play with such a complete incompetent behind the timbers.

[musti]

time to bring imran nazir and salman butt back! give them a nice long run, im sure theyll come through

[immubhai]

Originally Posted by Amoeba Make that 1 and a half bowler, as Akmal destroys half of Kaneria's potency. I doubt that Warney and Murali would have half the wickets they have if they had to play with such a complete incompetent behind the timbers.

buddy, this is the thread about "bashing Farhat" go bash Kami in the next thread (-: but there I guess, you already have lost your temper...someone should really keep a watch on you tonight or else you yourself give Kami some kind of "Shoaib akhtar´s special KUSHTA"....relax...Danish is going to give Kami his speciall "Tambaakooo walaPaan " tonight and tomorrow we wont see much of Kamis behind the stumps (-:

[Raza Sohail]

Originally Posted by musti time to bring imran nazir and salman butt back! give them a nice long run, im sure theyll come through

youve changed my mind. I take it back, keep Farhat and Hameed in the team please!

[musti]

haha...but seriously...imran nazir has proven himself at test level, he just has a slight temprament problem but when he gets going, even andre nel would shutup.

as for butt, he has a sound technique, hes scored a century against aus in aus...that should be good enough..

[Blistering Barnacle]

Ok. Now Hafeez and Farhat have both had a good run in the side and have both pretty much failed.

Let's go back to Taufeeq and Butt for a couple of series, before returning to Hafeez and Farhat after that when Taufeeq and Butt fail.

Seriously though, I'd like Taufeeq to be given a run like these others have. He's just played the odd test here and there. Hasn't been given a full series since the series India won in Pakistan 3-4 years ago or however long it was. Either that, or let's find someone entirely new.

[infamous9383]

well the pakistan tests before the WC are over(one inning remaing). After the WC, maybe its time to try out two fresh faces but until than just go with akmal/hafeez in odis and hope works out for the best.

[Raza Sohail]

Originally Posted by Blistering Barnacle Ok. Now Hafeez and Farhat have both had a good run in the side and have both pretty much failed. Let's go back to Taufeeq and Butt for a couple of series, before returning to Hafeez and Farhat after that when Taufeeq and Butt fail. Seriously though, I'd like Taufeeq to be given a run like these others have. He's just played the odd test here and there. Hasn't been given a full series since the series India won in Pakistan 3-4 years ago or however long it was. Either that, or let's find someone entirely new.

Yup, that is exactly the way to go. And this time, please, forget "talent" and "natural ability". Please find gritty grafters who can show some heart and passion in tough situations. These selectors make me pretty angry at times.

[Saqlain_doosra]

I would bring back Imran Nazir and give him same amount of chances as Farhat. Guranteed he will become good and do much better than farhat.

[immubhai]

I ll make YK the opener..in any case he does face 9-10 times the new ball and bring Bazid khan in the team and get rid of Farhat for good...He aint no good while batting and not good either in the slip cordon...

[Amoeba]

Originally Posted by immubhai I ll make YK the opener..in any case he does face 9-10 times the new ball and bring Bazid khan in the team and get rid of Farhat for good...He aint no good while batting and not good either in the slip cordon...

Spot on mate. I said that in the summer (apart from the Bazid bit).

Can I return to bashing Akmal now ......

[immubhai]

Originally Posted by Amoeba Spot on mate. I said that in the summer (apart from the Bazid bit). Can I return to bashing Akmal now ......

me spanking him too in the line (-:

[Geordie Ahmed]

Hameed is NOT good enough - YK should ALWAYS bat at 3

Also i do like the team to stick with players cos of continuity BUT the Hafeez/Farhat combo sucks - i thank them for their effort BUT methinks we need a change

When is the last time we had a good opening partnership - im talking 3 figures?

[Amjid Javed]

I think its time to stop going round in circles with likes of butt, hameed, farhat, taufeeq etc..

time to try some new openers:- afaq raheem, Nasir jamshed and few others should now start to be looked at.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed Hameed is NOT good enough - YK should ALWAYS bat at 3 Also i do like the team to stick with players cos of continuity BUT the Hafeez/Farhat combo sucks - i thank them for their effort BUT methinks we need a change When is the last time we had a good opening partnership - im talking 3 figures?

Probably the home series v india where we played on flat pancakes. am not 100% sure thou...

[12thMan]

When is the last time we had a good opening partnership - im talking 3 figures?

can't remember but I think around the home series against SA Taufeeq and Farhat (not sure about the names) had 3 stands of 100. that was like the record for Pakistan or close to it

[khalidali7070]

Frankly speaking the only hard time farhat has given the oposition so far is they dont know which slip fielder the catch will be going to............

[TaZ]

Can someone post some stats on paks opening partnership stats in the last couple of years? Who exactly have been the best and worst......

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by TaZ Can someone post some stats on paks opening partnership stats in the last couple of years? Who exactly have been the best and worst......

Il get on to it...

[Sultan Yusuf]

The reason why there is a call for Farhat to go is simply because most people blame him for taking their blue-eyed boy shoaib malik's position! Sad I know.

[Mike Bassett]

Basically this guy is a fishermans friend or should i say a slip fielders friend!

[Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar]

Originally Posted by Naved The reason why there is a call for Farhat to go is simply because most people blame him for taking their blue-eyed boy shoaib malik's position! Sad I know.

first of all, Farhat has done a poor enough job to deserve all the criticism coming his way. I've always believed that he wasn't and isn't good enough to be in the team.

secondly, yes, Malik could do a better job than Farhat with his eyes closed and hands tied. though I would much rather have Malik down the order - preferably at 6 instead of opening.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar first of all, Farhat has done a poor enough job to deserve all the criticism coming his way. I've always believed that he wasn't and isn't good enough to be in the team. secondly, yes, Malik could do a better job than Farhat with his eyes closed and hands tied. though I would much rather have Malik down the order - preferably at 6 instead of opening.

I agree - Malik is more suited to 6, dont like him opening the innings BUT he is still better than the likes of Farhat, Hafeez, Hameed etc etc

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar first of all, Farhat has done a poor enough job to deserve all the criticism coming his way. I've always believed that he wasn't and isn't good enough to be in the team. secondly, yes, Malik could do a better job than Farhat with his eyes closed and hands tied. though I would much rather have Malik down the order - preferably at 6 instead of opening.

I agree Farhat hasn't done a great job, not any worse than malik though.

And regarding Malik batting with his eyes closed, if he actually manages to open them when facing the short ball he may have a chance to survive!

[iZeeshan]

These are exactly the kinds of replies I accepted! "Farhat looks bad/gets lucky, Hafeez looks solid but scores!"

Guys who the f*** cares! Its the runs that count! I get so mad when I see that "Hafeez looks solid" but does he make the runs? NO! Its Farhat who has been scoring most of the opening runs!

[Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar]

Originally Posted by Naved I agree Farhat hasn't done a great job, not any worse than malik though. And regarding Malik batting with his eyes closed, if he actually manages to open them when facing the short ball he may have a chance to survive!

I disagree. Farhat wasn't the one who saved the match for Pakistan by batting against a menacing Murli on a fifth day Sri Lankan wicket. while I don't want to see Malik open and despite all the criticism of him, he's saved Pakistan a match which most people thought was lost until Malik stepped up.

it's funny you say that Malik won't survive against the short ball. especially when you consider than Farhat looks like getting out on 4 out of 6 deliveries every single over - regardless of whether they're short or not.

[Blistering Barnacle]

Originally Posted by PepsiCola These are exactly the kinds of replies I accepted! "Farhat looks bad/gets lucky, Hafeez looks solid but scores!" Guys who the f*** cares! Its the runs that count! I get so mad when I see that "Hafeez looks solid" but does he make the runs? NO! Its Farhat who has been scoring most of the opening runs!

Of course you should care how a batsman looks. Farhat never looks settled and as someone else said, the only time he plays a decent knock is when he's dropped repeatedly. That doesn't augur well for when you play top-class teams, because they aren't going to drop you too often.

As far as Hafeez goes, I don't think he's done anything to distinguish himself from Farhat either, and would agree that so long as he's playing poorly, there's no reason to call for Farhat's head before his. Hafeez is also supposed to be bowling well for us, but he hasn't really helped much with the ball at all, particularly in the test when we really needed him to.

I would drop both of these guys and I'd probably drop Hafeez first.

[fight_club]

thier is a point in this discussion, hafeez looks good does not score, farhat is keenly working on the term sucidical-instinct. where has this "settled pair" led us? nowwhere. but Pakistan thinktank does not stop their hammed is coming at number 3. a place simply owned by Younis. Asim kamal has been kept out of test cricket beacause he came very close to solve the mystery of number 6 position.

its called being possessed by "mental disposition"

[Bailan]

May be hafeez could be tried with a different opener ... may be that will help him in some mysterious ways.