Why is everyone suddenly blaming the first class structure?

[suhaib]

why is everyone suddenly blaming the first class struchure after the world cup loss, who was talking about this in the 90s, suddenly everyone is jumping onto, agreed its very important and many more youngsters can flourish with a great domestic struchure but we still have great potential to be one of the best teams in the world and could have won the world cup, but we have many more problems that we need to deal with, that are a much bigger concern then the first class set up

Internal conflicts in the team
There have been way to many since Inzi took over, shoaib aktar, younis khan, afridi, bob, just to name a few. Untill the team is not united we will get no where. There are to many people in the team who act like kings.

Poor captaincy
Since inzi took over the whole morale of the team has fallen flat, he was a great batsmen but unfortunatly, the worst captain ever the cricketing world has seen, and on top of that he use to act like he was some sort of a god.

Bad management
There is no point in getting people like bob woolmer in this team and paying them croressss, when they are not gona have any power to do anything. Bob was a guy who transformed south africa from being one of the worstest teams in the world to the best, unfortunatly a great person like him couldnt do nothing to pakistan, and that shows how bad this team is managed, even making the best first class system will not fix this team, cause the juniors will never get to have a say and the seniors will just over power them.

[Truthteller]

There is no point in getting people like bob woolmer in this team and paying them croressss, when they are not gona have any power to do anything.

Correct.

You wouldn't hire a top heart surgeon for instance and let the medical attendant get in his way with his two penny worth, as Pakistan did with the likes of Salim Altaf being allowed to interfere with Bob's work.

[Pace]

People have been complaining about the first class structure since the 80's. The most vocal being Imran Khan. This is not a sudden realization. The points you have mentioned above are valid but are superficial compared to the rot set in our roots by an inept domestic structure and horribly bland wickets. The problems caused by our structure will take years to set straight (maybe even a decade). The problems you have mentioned above can be sorted out pretty quickly by introducing a proper management structure with valid regulations, checks and balances, transparency and accountability.

[kablooee87]

Suddenly? I can't remember a time when people weren't blaming Pakistan's first class structure.

[isr]

Originally Posted by suhaib why is everyone suddenly blaming the first class struchure after the world cup loss,

Where have you been for the last 25 years?

[Oxy]

The domestic structure has been the talking point in world cricket since I was a kid - Imran used to despair of it when he was a player.

Nowt has changed in 25 years....

[desi_larka420]

Suddenly?

Imran Khan and many other Pakistani Cricket Specialists have been crying for the last 2 and half decades its not suddenly.

[zam]

think pia is playing punjab universities; pia has hanif captain, asif, zaheer, mushtaq,bari, salim altaf, asif masood, mushtaq, etc and punjab univ has sarfaraz nawaz, shafiq papa, , sultan rana, munnaf etc... and punjab won the trophy first time and the university ground lahore was full with the spectators... then the players were give go by the spectators while watching those absorbing games...that's what we are missing ;;; a healthy competion among the players.. atleast we should have two good teams...Lahore and karachi and have a five match series..that's what we need.

[hellopak]

Imran started talking of domestic structure long time ago (before 90s), and all the good players we groomed are from county cricket. That is why always seniors players in past helped juniors get recruited in counties. Unfortunately, very few Pakistani batsmen made it to counties after the era of Asif, Majid, Zaheer, Javed, while many Pakistani bowlers made it to counties, so we could easily see that Pakistan in recent past always had world class bowlers in Waqar, Wasim, Akram, Shoaib, Saqlain, Mushy, Imran, Azhar, Yasir etc, but not too many batsmen with strong temperament, and professionalism.

No one would disagree with you as far as lack of leadership in team as well as proper management in the PCB is concern, but to bring good talent up, you need a source to generate and that source is domestic cricket so its structure needs to be fixed.

[suhaib]

well ofcourse it has been mentioned alot of times before, but since we have lost the wc its suddenly getting mentioned everywhere, in every speech by an ex-player, in nearly all articles on pakistan losing the wc, its suddenly the main reason why we lost.

[shahidrazzaq]

Originally Posted by kablooee87 Suddenly? I can't remember a time when people weren't blaming Pakistan's first class structure.

I cant either.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by suhaib well ofcourse it has been mentioned alot of times before, but since we have lost the wc its suddenly getting mentioned everywhere, in every speech by an ex-player, in nearly all articles on pakistan losing the wc, its suddenly the main reason why we lost.

Disagree - when we win its DESPITE the non-existent system.

They were saying the same things in 2003 - trust me on on this one

[suhaib]

Originally Posted by Oxy Disagree - when we win its DESPITE the non-existent system. They were saying the same things in 2003 - trust me on on this one

sorry but ive never heard it so much since the last 3 weeks, its suddenly all over the place.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by suhaib sorry but ive never heard it so much since the last 3 weeks, its suddenly all over the place.

And it will all go quiet after the WC.

Then wait for another disasterous tor/seroes....and it'll be dug up again.

In 20 years time, you 'll be telling your kids the same....

[IMMY69]

its not only about the competition (or lack of) in the first class games or about the wickets...its about ingraning professionalism into first class players...professionalism that leads to disciplined international players...professionalism is the key word...in every single way..

i think bob woolmer also made an excellent point about education...in that some of the players lacked proper education...this is fundamental...

[Amir]

Originally Posted by suhaib why is everyone suddenly blaming the first class struchure after the world cup loss, who was talking about this in the 90s, suddenly everyone is jumping onto, agreed its very important and many more youngsters can flourish with a great domestic struchure but we still have great potential to be one of the best teams in the world and could have won the world cup, but we have many more problems that we need to deal with, that are a much bigger concern then the first class set up Internal conflicts in the team There have been way to many since Inzi took over, shoaib aktar, younis khan, afridi, bob, just to name a few. Untill the team is not united we will get no where. There are to many people in the team who act like kings. Poor captaincy Since inzi took over the whole morale of the team has fallen flat, he was a great batsmen but unfortunatly, the worst captain ever the cricketing world has seen, and on top of that he use to act like he was some sort of a god. Bad management There is no point in getting people like bob woolmer in this team and paying them croressss, when they are not gona have any power to do anything. Bob was a guy who transformed south africa from being one of the worstest teams in the world to the best, unfortunatly a great person like him couldnt do nothing to pakistan, and that shows how bad this team is managed, even making the best first class system will not fix this team, cause the juniors will never get to have a say and the seniors will just over power them.

Because in the 90s other nations were also mediocore and did not have a great set up. This is the age when business and sport have begun to mix together meaning the entrance of proffesionalism. No longer can you just hope for natural talent to get you through. You need some sort of structure to harness that talent in todays world. Unfortunately we have been living off our past laurels.

A good team or any business always looks for new ways to improve rather than wait for a disaster to happen.