Pace -v- Brains

[Jayed]

If you had a choice, which one would you take (I mean in cricket, not academically lol)?

I.e. Lee (for pace, no brains) and McGrath (brains no pace, he takes more wickets than Lee with half the pace). Lee relys on brute pace. This is just a paradigm, but, as a bowler, what would you take. Explain why.

[Vegitto1]

as a viewer Lee and as a captain/coach Maggy

[Oxy]

Well McGrath used to have pace as well as the cricketing mind- you are comparing 'old v youth' in reality.

[isr]

Well, at least its not Andre Nel (no pace, no brains)

[offcutter]

pace

[12thMan]

Shoaib has skills when he bowls plus pace and Bond has both. I think it is skills/control, with some brains on how to use them with what you have. both pace and brain are important but you need skills (control, slow ball, bouncer etc). Every team looks for the fast bowler and pace alone can beat a batsman or make him uncomfortable. on top of pace if you have skills it is great. if you have brains even better because because then you can also study the batsman, set them up, place the fielders and bowl according to the pitch (flat, too much bounce etc). McGrath has skills and brains. actually when thinking about it I don't know if certain aspect falls under skills or brains. Like bowling a slow ball is skill but when to bowl is some brain. if it is a flat pitch where to bowl (what length) and what type of balls to bowl (some say if it is also low bounce then off cutters)

[Slugger]

wasim akram = pace and brains

[Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar]

I'll take pace and brains which is Wasim - the greatest of them all.

[Farrukh]

Originally Posted by Slugger wasim akram = pace and brains

and satta

[lahori]

What about Sami? (Pace + Brains + no luck)

[Lara400]

Fantastic title of the thread.

First name springs to mind is Shoaib.

Of course the title of the thread would read Pace V Pace!!

[ThaSiccSense]

Rasel (no brains, no pace, no future)

[SameerM]

as a captain i would one of each.

A bowler with pure pace AND a bowler with brains

Also depends on opposition if its Kenya, then pace.. if its south Africa, then brains.

[Amjid Javed]

Any decent bowler needs abit of pace and brains.

If pace was be all and end all muhammed sami would be a world class bowler.

[Gujar]

Originally Posted by ThaSiccSense Rasel (no brains, no pace, no future)

Me and my brother were watching him bowl and we were getting so annoyed at how slow he was. There's guys at my club who bowl quicker than him! It really vexes me to see bowlers like that opening the bowling for a test playing nation.

[Jayed]

Originally Posted by Gujar Me and my brother were watching him bowl and we were getting so annoyed at how slow he was. There's guys at my club who bowl quicker than him! It really vexes me to see bowlers like that opening the bowling for a test playing nation.

he's dropped. still the pick of the bd bowlers that day, bowled better than mashrafe.

[ThaSiccSense]

Originally Posted by jayed he's dropped. still the pick of the bd bowlers that day, bowled better than mashrafe.

When is SH going to be given a chance? atleast he has pace.

[Jayed]

Originally Posted by ThaSiccSense When is SH going to be given a chance? atleast he has pace.

they'll pick my grandma, not sh for some reason. they should. he is great for polishing openers. goes for around 40+ runs sometimes though.

he has the pace..infact, astronomical pace for his age, but not enough pace to disgruntle top line batsman. 90 mph max is what he can go whilst ppl like ponting are used to ppl going at 100 mph.
besides, he's a sami. trys to either;

1. knock the stumps with yorkers...always
2. bowl short bouncers and attempts to break the batsmans jaws.

hes a batsman delight to hit at the moment. although he has improved. you'll see him against wi/ire for sure. MUCH more talented than mashrafe or whoever though.

[Pathan007]

^well i hope that he gets picked. bcz rasel is garbage and so is tapash. SH has got loads of talent. he should be persisted with although he does go for runs but it's OK since he hasn't played that much of cricket and still young.

[Jayed]

Originally Posted by Pathan007 ^well i hope that he gets picked. bcz rasel is garbage and so is tapash. SH has got loads of talent. he should be persisted with although he does go for runs but it's OK since he hasn't played that much of cricket and still young.

he will do. he should be persisted as he's something new. 5 wkt hauls against sri at 17-18 arent normal........

yes, he's young...but in great physical nick:

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ge/288209.html
if your wondering, the tall guys shahadat (6'4).

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ge/243875.html
taller than hayden

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ge/279873.html

[Pathan007]

i've never seen him bowling live. but watched the clip where he made the hatrick against ZImbos. from that vdo i saw that his bowling action is somewhat similar to Shane Bond.

[DesiMD]

Originally Posted by jayed If you had a choice, which one would you take (I mean in cricket, not academically lol)? I.e. Lee (for pace, no brains) and McGrath (brains no pace, he takes more wickets than Lee with half the pace). Lee relys on brute pace. This is just a paradigm, but, as a bowler, what would you take. Explain why.

obviously brains...lol
i don't wanna get tired like brett lee after every 5-6-7 overs...
i would want to be like mc grath.....bowling 7 overs with EASE...even though he is turning old now...
but mcgrath's brains are better than lee's pace...

[Jayed]

Originally Posted by Pathan007 i've never seen him bowling live. but watched the clip where he made the hatrick against ZImbos. from that vdo i saw that his bowling action is somewhat similar to Shane Bond.

can i have a link of that clip, as i havent seen him in action for quite a while too.

[ThaSiccSense]

Originally Posted by jayed can i have a link of that clip, as i havent seen him in action for quite a while too.

[BD-fan]

No way he is 6'4". Nor he is taller than hayden. Look at the picture angle and their stances. He is at best 6'-2" and that is streaching a bit.

He has negative brains if that is possible. But I hope to see him in action against England or SA. He can only learn in the middle. We must endure the pain while grows up. With mash in his side he should have learned how to swing a little by now or what does line-length results you. He hasn't and that is why we see rasel.

Originally Posted by jayed he will do. he should be persisted as he's something new. 5 wkt hauls against sri at 17-18 arent normal........ yes, he's young...but in great physical nick: http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ge/288209.html if your wondering, the tall guys shahadat (6'4). http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ge/243875.html taller than hayden http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ge/279873.html

[Muhammad]

It's a shame Zimbabwe cricket is going down the drain because in Pommie Mbangwa they had a man who had no shortage of pace and as his commentary shows no shortage in the brains department either.

[safehands46]

he isnt that great.

[James]

Pace is always nice especially when defending a low total, but bowlers with brains are a lot more likely to be consistent wicket takers...

[Pathan007]

Originally Posted by BD-fan No way he is 6'4". Nor he is taller than hayden. Look at the picture angle and their stances. He is at best 6'-2" and that is streaching a bit. He has negative brains if that is possible. But I hope to see him in action against England or SA. He can only learn in the middle. We must endure the pain while grows up. With mash in his side he should have learned how to swing a little by now or what does line-length results you. He hasn't and that is why we see rasel.

bro, he's definitely much more than 6'2 bcz he's taller than Mashrafe. tell me, how tall is Mashrafe?

[Jayed]

Originally Posted by Pathan007 bro, he's definitely much more than 6'2 bcz he's taller than Mashrafe. tell me, how tall is Mashrafe?

mashrafe is over 6 ft (may be 6'1 to 6'2). shahadat is around 6'4 to 6'5

[Jayed]

Originally Posted by Pathan007 bro, he's definitely much more than 6'2 bcz he's taller than Mashrafe. tell me, how tall is Mashrafe?

hayden is wearing a helmet. if hayden is 6-4 ish, so is shahadat.
besides put it that way:

'is shoiab built' yes. is shahadat? yes.
is shoaib tall? yes. is shahadat? much.
is shoaib grown and bulked? yes. shahadat? more to come.

[Jayed]

Originally Posted by BD-fan No way he is 6'4". Nor he is taller than hayden. Look at the picture angle and their stances. He is at best 6'-2" and that is streaching a bit. He has negative brains if that is possible. But I hope to see him in action against England or SA. He can only learn in the middle. We must endure the pain while grows up. With mash in his side he should have learned how to swing a little by now or what does line-length results you. He hasn't and that is why we see rasel.

mashrafe is around that height. hayden is 6'2.

r you going to lie with the pics?

-shahadat looks well taller than any one on the bd team (including mashrafe) by atleast 2 inches:

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ge/239264.html
(i think mashrafes there)

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ge/271773.html

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ge/240197.html

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/c...ge/240197.html

dudes a giant!

[Uzzy]

Jayed, you sure are hyping up Shahadat.

[Jayed]

Originally Posted by Uzzy Jayed, you sure are hyping up Shahadat.

some prospect. still, you shouldve seen me when shoiab burst on!!!!! after the double yorker to dravid/tendu i preached his praises from london to dundeee!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Muhammad It's a shame Zimbabwe cricket is going down the drain because in Pommie Mbangwa they had a man who had no shortage of pace and as his commentary shows no shortage in the brains department either.

Mogambo is South African. If he is not than someone should tell him

[mos123]

Brain without brain u can,t successful in any game

[salman24]

pace with a little brains

[sufyan786]

Originally Posted by 12thMan Shoaib has skills when he bowls plus pace and Bond has both. I think it is skills/control, with some brains on how to use them with what you have. both pace and brain are important but you need skills (control, slow ball, bouncer etc). Every team looks for the fast bowler and pace alone can beat a batsman or make him uncomfortable. on top of pace if you have skills it is great. if you have brains even better because because then you can also study the batsman, set them up, place the fielders and bowl according to the pitch (flat, too much bounce etc). McGrath has skills and brains. actually when thinking about it I don't know if certain aspect falls under skills or brains. Like bowling a slow ball is skill but when to bowl is some brain. if it is a flat pitch where to bowl (what length) and what type of balls to bowl (some say if it is also low bounce then off cutters)

okk!!

[BD-fan]

I know my boy. He is no 6'4". He is a hard worker. He will get there in course of time inshallah.

And what picture you are talking about Jayed and Pathan? Shahadat is at least ten steps ahead of Hayden. The camera is placed on knee height at the boundary. From that angle obviously the closer object seems to be larger.

And all the other picture you have linked here judge it yourself. Ashraful 5 feet flat. Mushfiq 5'1" at best.

[Bangla Tiger]

Originally Posted by BD-fan I know my boy. He is no 6'4". He is a hard worker. He will get there in course of time inshallah. And what picture you are talking about Jayed and Pathan? Shahadat is at least ten steps ahead of Hayden. The camera is placed on knee height at the boundary. From that angle obviously the closer object seems to be larger. And all the other picture you have linked here judge it yourself. Ashraful 5 feet flat. Mushfiq 5'1" at best.

mash is 6-1

shahadat is 6-3 (no taller than that jayed)

ashraful is 5-3, maybe 5-4 max

mushy is 5-1 or 5-2 max

[Amir]

I would take pace. Pace is natural you can't gain it, but brains you can be taught. Look at Latish Malinga, came on the scene and was just an all out pacer. However over the coruse of 2 years Sri Lanka have worked with him hard and developped a few tricks with him and now he is a very intelligent bowler.

Prior to this year he never had a slower ball. He use to just run in and bowl it fast and full as possible. He even lacked a good bouncer. Now he has developped one that goes for the batsman throat and an excellent slower ball.

Probaly amongst one of the finer at the death bowlers in the world right now along with Andrew Flintoff.

[ThaSiccSense]

All in all, anything is better than Rasel, SH should be given his place, even just for the experience.

[Jayed]

Originally Posted by Bangla Tiger mash is 6-1 shahadat is 6-3 (no taller than that jayed) ashraful is 5-3, maybe 5-4 max mushy is 5-1 or 5-2 max

hey, i'm 5'9 still growing.

mash is taller than that by atleast an inch.
mash is around a heads length taller than mushfiq.

shahadat is approaching 6'4..he might grow (lol)
still a very very very tall bowler. this is the optimum for a bowler to possess pace and height.

anything more would be curtly, height bounce but flop big time on pace.

[Jayed]

Originally Posted by BD-fan I know my boy. He is no 6'4". He is a hard worker. He will get there in course of time inshallah. And what picture you are talking about Jayed and Pathan? Shahadat is at least ten steps ahead of Hayden. The camera is placed on knee height at the boundary. From that angle obviously the closer object seems to be larger. And all the other picture you have linked here judge it yourself. Ashraful 5 feet flat. Mushfiq 5'1" at best.

hayden is 188 cm (6'2). i doesnt mean jack what stance he is in as shahadat is still taller.

who'd win, shahadat at around 28 v hayden (at beef)?
hayden has been known as one of the 'hard men' of cricket. do you think he'd take on shahadat?

[SameerM]

bring in the 6 foot PLUS bowlers is what i say

we need 5 FULL out pacemen..

4-5 medium pace all rounders

and about 4-5 spinners...

THAT way we are covered if there are injuries, bans etc etc


Point being PAK needs to GET wickets.. otherwise we cant win

SAME goes for batting but this was a bowling thread!!