PCB moves to end ‘Inzamam culture’

[HillRock]

KARACHI, April 28: In a bid to get rid of the ‘Inzamam culture’ in the national team, Pakistan's cricket authorities have stripped the new captain of powers to have a final say or exercise the veto power in the selection of a touring squad or playing eleven, well informed sources said on Saturday. The sources in the board confirmed that now the selection committee would have the final say in the selection of a touring squad and the playing eleven. “In the past when Inzamam was captain the selectors could give him their input and views on selection matters but he (Inzamam) had the final say and veto power in these matters,” sources in the PCB disclosed. The board's ad hoc committee, while approving the appointment of Shoaib Malik as captain two weeks ago, decided that the team should be rid of ‘Inzamam culture’ as it had created a lot of problems and headaches for everyone including the selectors. “The committee also felt that it had led to Inzamam gaining unbridled powers in the team and, with Wasim Bari’s extremely weak presence as chief selector, a number of blunders in selection matters led to the World Cup debacle,” he said. The source disclosed that the committee had also reached a consensus that Inzamam should no longer be entertained even as a Test player although he has himself outlined his desire to continue playing in the Test team after retiring from One-day Internationals and stepping down as captain. “The main reason for shifting the balance of power from the captain to the selectors is that some board officials believe Inzamam will try to use his influence on young Malik and with a group of players still playing loyal to him, may end up calling the shots. So this could also be termed as a pre-emptive measure,” the source opined. He said in future the selectors will sit with the captain, coach, manager and vice-captain while selecting a full squad or a playing eleven but their decision would be final. “Which means that the board has given the selectors complete powers to override any move by Malik to draft Inzamam into the Test side,” the source said. The source disclosed that the board had also taken note of the fact that senior batsman and vice-captain Younis Khan had developed a mindset to stay away from the captaincy and was even pondering leaving one-day cricket because of the non-cooperative attitude of a group of players towards him. Younis earlier this month not only refused the captaincy offered to him but also turned down a chance to fly directly to Abu Dhabi next month and play in the three-match one-day series against Sri Lanka. Younis told the selectors he was more comfortable playing for Yorkshire in the English county championship at the moment. “The board realizes that there are other reasons for Younis wanting to distance himself from the team at the moment. They are also aware how a group of players — loyal to Inzamam —had ganged up against Younis when he captained Pakistan in the Champions Trophy last year, refusing to even speak to the Peshawar-born batsman,” the source said. The source added that the board was keen on former captain Imran Khan — a great supporter of Younis — to speak to him and make him change his mind on the captaincy. “But Imran refused point blank, saying he was upset with the way Younis had surrendered and he would not speak to him on this topic at all.” Critics of the game feel that the real test for the board and selectors would arrive when South Africa tours Pakistan from Sept 25. That is when the board would know if it has been successful in clearing the team of ‘Inzamam culture’ or not.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/04/29/spt3.htm

[Oxy]

Source is in good form thesedays....

[Amjid Javed]

Most other nations Aus, S.A etc go through process where selectors select final x1 and captains job is to deal with matters on the field.

Pakistan should be no different.

[davreading]

Should pick best 11/15 players and pick skipper from them.
Let selectors do the job of selecting and captain and captaining side, he is given.

[MIG]

and so starts another Inzi bashing thread. Not tool long before Inzis beard etc will be mentioned - but then I live in hope....

[Raza Sohail]

an artivle full of masala that even some Indian tabloids would be proud of. just makes you sad reading the obvious, overflowing bias that comes out of these "journalists" JUST to sell newspapers. is this really the true nature of our society?

[Amjid Javed]

Aslong as the selectors are not into sirafishi picking then hopefully pakistan wont have a problem.

[Saqlain_doosra]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed Aslong as the selectors are not into sirafishi picking then hopefully pakistan wont have a problem.

What are the chance of that? We are talking about pakistabi selectors here.

[Amjid Javed]

Originally Posted by Saqlain_doosra What are the chance of that? We are talking about pakistabi selectors here.

You can only hope and pray i guess.

[waqar_ahmad]

good move, player power needs to be broken

[WasimG]

“The main reason for shifting the balance of power from the captain to the selectors is that some board officials believe Inzamam will try to use his influence on young Malik and with a group of players still playing loyal to him, may end up calling the shots. So this could also be termed as a pre-emptive measure,” the source opined.

Thats exactly what I meant in the other thread. Inzi should be kicked out for good. He's become the most notorious Pak captain ever and rightfully so.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by HunkyPunky Thats exactly what I meant in the other thread. Inzi should be kicked out for good. He's become the most notorious Pak captain ever and rightfully so.

Did Inzi used to steal your food off you when yo were a kid? You have a huge agenda against the guy!

[siddharth]

Originally Posted by HunkyPunky Thats exactly what I meant in the other thread. Inzi should be kicked out for good. He's become the most notorious Pak captain ever and rightfully so.

That word ''notorious '' does bother.

[Saj]

If this is true, and I emphasise the word if, then my concern is that you could find yourself in a situation where as captain you have players in your team whom you dont have faith in and would not have picked for a certain match.

[Ilyas]

When you call this "Inzimam Culture", it clearly means PCB thinks bad World Cup 2007 Performance was due to Inzimam and just to put all the blame on Inzimam, it is totally wrong...Yes: Inzimam did a few things wrong, but to call it Inzimam Culture, it is toally uncalled for...

[WasimG]

Originally Posted by Oxy Did Inzi used to steal your food off you when yo were a kid? You have a huge agenda against the guy!

And did he share my food with you all the time? You want us to sing praises of this guy who's ashamed us and ruined a nation's hopes and dreams cuz of stupidity and stubbornness?

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by HunkyPunky And did he share my food with you all the time? You want us to sing praises of this guy who's ashamed us and ruined a nation's hopes and dreams cuz of stupidity and stubbornness?

Not once have you been able to articulate your arguments against Inzamam without resorting to insults of the man.

Hence I dont take your views on him seriously.

After all, you accused Inzi of 'killing Bob Woolmer'.

[Raza Sohail]

Originally Posted by HunkyPunky And did he share my food with you all the time? You want us to sing praises of this guy who's ashamed us and ruined a nation's hopes and dreams cuz of stupidity and stubbornness?

oh please, stop being such a drama queen. maybe if you did something useful and gave more meaning to your life, your hopes and dreams wouldnt depend on a cricket game. how does that sound?

[WasimG]

Originally Posted by Oxy Not once have you been able to articulate your arguments against Inzamam without resorting to insults of the man. Hence I dont take your views on him seriously. After all, you accused Inzi of 'killing Bob Woolmer'.

Had we not lost to Ireland, most likely Bob would've be alive today. If it wasn't for Inzi's choice of team and handling just the way he wanted we'd have seen Ireland through. Even purely as a batsman he is more responsible for defeat than anyone else. If you dont agree than you're kidding yourself and if I can stand your opinion than I shouldn't require your permission to state mine either.

Originally Posted by around-the-wicket oh please, stop being such a drama queen. maybe if you did something useful and gave more meaning to your life, your hopes and dreams wouldnt depend on a cricket game. how does that sound?

So now you're going to descend to personal insults cuz we have different opinions? Yeah maybe my life revolves around the Pak cricket team...that just gives me more of a right to express myself than you. So shut up! Good job making your life useful by whining about my point of view btw.

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Saj If this is true, and I emphasise the word if, then my concern is that you could find yourself in a situation where as captain you have players in your team whom you dont have faith in and would not have picked for a certain match.

Yeah, if true then they've basically tied Shoaib Malik's hands behind his back. If you don't have faith in him then don't make him captain. If you've picked him as the captain then you let him choose the team that he wants and you let him win or lose on his own.

Right now it seems as though the selectors want the worst of both worlds and it looks like Malik is just going to be set up as a scapegoat until they can find another captain or perhaps wait for Younis Khan to grow a pair and accept some responsibility for once in his career.

[Lara400]

Bickering aside be it in the national team or here on PP!!!

I'd like to make a point on this topic.

Imran Khan advocates that a captain should have full control of the squad including selection, so on that basis we can easily say Inzamam has done nothing wrong quite tthe opposite.

I don't think for one moment he made selections on the basis of favouritsim or anything of the sort but rather who he felt would put up a showing when it really counted.

Now selectors will have it their way, they will oust Inzamam out of Test cricket to ged rid of this Islamic cultture and lay the reasoning on Inzamam influencing Malik.

A No win situation for the burly batsmen which is sad because he along with Malik I feel are the two batsmen who really give 110% for Pakistan and play with pride.

[Raza Sohail]

Oxy, youre not going to respond to sherlock Hunky there? i mean he does make perfect sense. but, by the same reasoning, isnt the REAL culprit for Bob's death the guy who invented cricket? no wait, now i get his point. God is to blame for all deaths. why did he start this chain of events anyway. what a great philosopher this hunkyPUNKY guy is. amazing stuff!

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by HunkyPunky Had we not lost to Ireland, most likely Bob would've be alive today. If it wasn't for Inzi's choice of team and handling just the way he wanted we'd have seen Ireland through. Even purely as a batsman he is more responsible for defeat than anyone else. If you dont agree than you're kidding yourself and if I can stand your opinion than I shouldn't require your permission to state mine either.

Hey - as long as you keep to criticising Inzi on cricketing issues, you can say what you want, but you just call him names / resort to insults of an abusive nature - and finish of by concluding that Inzi killed Woolmer.

[Raza Sohail]

Originally Posted by Oxy Hey - as long as you keep to criticising Inzi on cricketing issues, you can say what you want, but you just call him names / resort to insults of an abusive nature - and finish of by concluding that Inzi killed Woolmer.

air tight logic.

[SameerM]

Inzi culture??

talk about hitting a man when he's down..

Inzi aint dont nothing that other people havnt done b4 !! Inzi culture wot a useless and bias and in some cases a really stupendous phrase

I TELL u wat INZI CULTURE is... going out to kick a$$ in ALLLLLLLL his innings, he tried and he made it.. ok sometimes he didnt but he was the BACKBONE of Pak cricket for YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Some of u guys were probably in ur nappies when this bloke was kicking Int'l butt

[Lara400]

Originally Posted by SameerM Inzi culture?? talk about hitting a man when he's down.. Inzi aint dont nothing that other people havnt done b4 !! Inzi culture wot a useless and bias and in some cases a really stupendous phrase I TELL u wat INZI CULTURE is... going out to kick a$$ in ALLLLLLLL his innings, he tried and he made it.. ok sometimes he didnt but he was the BACKBONE of Pak cricket for YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Some of u guys were probably in ur nappies when this bloke was kicking Int'l butt

Absolutely in their nappies thats why their full of sh*t!!!

[Monsee]

Should'nt it be called 'Imran Culture'...cause he was probably the first captain to hold such powers and in the process selected players in his team; who had barely played a single FC season or two!

In the case of his insistance to include Inzi in the WC team...a selector actually resigned and then eventually the rest gave in to Imran!

Even Akram as a skipper pretty much did the same when he did not play Waqar and preferred his 'Favorites' over Waqar!

How is it called 'Inzi Culture'...and what is so wrong about it; a captain will have his backside on the line anyway in the end. He might as well select players who he feels will help the team in winning games!

Now that Pak has lost, it is all Inzi's fault but when we were winning, no one was raising their voices and even that hopeless and Pithoo Loser Bari was willing to take all accolades for team selection and their subsequent wins...

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by SameerM Inzi culture?? talk about hitting a man when he's down.. Inzi aint dont nothing that other people havnt done b4 !! Inzi culture wot a useless and bias and in some cases a really stupendous phrase I TELL u wat INZI CULTURE is... going out to kick a$$ in ALLLLLLLL his innings, he tried and he made it.. ok sometimes he didnt but he was the BACKBONE of Pak cricket for YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Some of u guys were probably in ur nappies when this bloke was kicking Int'l butt

Any chance of a translation for those of us who only speak English?

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Big Mac Any chance of a translation for those of us who only speak English?

No need to act High and Mighty either...

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Monsee No need to act High and Mighty either...

It's not acting.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by Big Mac It's not acting.

aha, we have a 'god complex' on PP stage...Mods, can we have a meeting about this

[the Great Khan]

Should'nt it be called 'Imran Culture'...cause he was probably the first captain to hold such powers and in the process selected players in his team; who had barely played a single FC season or two! In the case of his insistance to include Inzi in the WC team...a selector actually resigned and then eventually the rest gave in to Imran! Even Akram as a skipper pretty much did the same when he did not play Waqar and preferred his 'Favorites' over Waqar! How is it called 'Inzi Culture'...and what is so wrong about it; a captain will have his backside on the line anyway in the end. He might as well select players who he feels will help the team in winning games! Now that Pak has lost, it is all Inzi's fault but when we were winning, no one was raising their voices and even that hopeless and Pithoo Loser Bari was willing to take all accolades for team selection and their subsequent wins...

their actually talking about the islamic culture that inzi brought in..ok we had a crap world cup..but i distinctly remeber people raving about the team when we were winning..dr lotta nd mushy must have been silently seething and biding their time when the mullah cricketers would fail..its ok for wasim to have wasim culture(match fixing etc), and ok for imran to have imran culture, but inzi gets lambasted..what nonsense..bakwaas

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by the Great Khan their actually talking about the islamic culture that inzi brought in..ok we had a crap world cup..but i distinctly remeber people raving about the team when we were winning..dr lotta nd mushy must have been silently seething and biding their time when the mullah cricketers would fail..its ok for wasim to have wasim culture(match fixing etc), and ok for imran to have imran culture, but inzi gets lambasted..what nonsense..bakwaas

From what I have read and comprehended (I skipped on most of the 'Sauce Report')...it seems that they are talking about 'Dictator Skipper the Inzi' but I am sure you are dead on about the real reason!

[SameerM]

IF it is religious culture then SAY THAT! y say Inzi culture?

Big mac.. if u cant read english mate, go read the koran, might give u some sense

[Big Mac]

Nothing wrong with my English, I also read Arabic but I fail to see how either will help me comprehend mangled textspeak.

[the Great Khan]

thats what they really mean...now that many in the public have made fun of them for the islamic reasons, beard etc, their looking for another excuse..quite pathetic really!!

[WasimG]

Originally Posted by Oxy Hey - as long as you keep to criticising Inzi on cricketing issues, you can say what you want, but you just call him names / resort to insults of an abusive nature - and finish of by concluding that Inzi killed Woolmer.

If you read my first post it was strictly on cricketing issues. To which you replied "Did Inzi used to steal your food off you when yo were a kid? You have a huge agenda against the guy!". How was that cricketing and not personal? Another example you're setting is letting ATW take his p iss instead of discussing the topic on hand. He's been continuously calling ME names, not just a cricketer who we're here to discuss anyway. It just makes following your orders a little hard if you and that lil stooge is exempt from the rules.

[Monsee]

Originally Posted by HunkyPunky If you read my first post it was strictly on cricketing issues. To which you replied "Did Inzi used to steal your food off you when yo were a kid? You have a huge agenda against the guy!". How was that cricketing and not personal? Another example you're setting is letting ATW take his p iss instead of discussing the topic on hand. He's been continuously calling ME names, not just a cricketer who we're here to discuss anyway. It just makes following your orders a little hard if you and that lil stooge is exempt from the rules.

And you concluded by abusing Oxy: No

ATW: No, any other PPer: No

Poor Daarhi Waala Biryani Eater Got the nod isntead...waah waah kia insaaf hai

[Boi]

so that means shoaib malik cant pick one of the greatest batsmen pakistan has produced

well thats stupid im sure inzi will rally against him inzi would never do that

[the true passionist]

Although i disagree with a lot of what Inzi was doing but now the PCB will come off as having got rid of all problems after disallowing Inzi from playing for Pakistan which is not really going to change much.

Inzi should have probably retired from ODI cricket a year or two ago.