A testament to the new Ronaldo

[Amir]

In Germany, he got alot of stick how he dove and his unlawful tatics. Now he has turned it around and seems like a bit or Rooney rubbed off on him. Yes he will whine about theodd call...like any other soccer player...but the days of him falling over seem to come near an end.



Watch this youtube video and see what the analysts have to say about his play. Plus City played absolutely dirty today.

[Big Mac]

Both of the 'penalties' yesterday were blatant dives, regardless of what the pundits say.

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Big Mac Both of the 'penalties' yesterday were blatant dives, regardless of what the pundits say.

ronaldo outskilled ball and he clipped his leg. y should he stay on his feet for.

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by hasbeen ronaldo outskilled ball and he clipped his leg. y should he stay on his feet for.

So what you're saying is he went down of his own free will? i.e. A dive.

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Big Mac So what you're saying is he went down of his own free will? i.e. A dive.

he got clipped on his leg and lost his balance. why should he try his best to stay up. a fouls a foul.

[Big Mac]

ahahahahah lost his balance. That's a good one, I'll have to remember that so I can tell it to people at parties.

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Big Mac ahahahahah lost his balance. That's a good one, I'll have to remember that so I can tell it to people at parties.

if your gona talk about ronaldo and his balance at parties, you really need to get a life

[Big Mac]

Dunno about that, quite a few of my friends are Man U fans but thankfully for my sanity not all of them are as ridiculously blinkered as you appear to be.

Watch the video above again, the part at 3:25 in particular and try and tell me again that he didn't dive. That amount of contact wouldn't knock my 3 year old nephew over much less a professional athlete.

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Big Mac Dunno about that, quite a few of my friends are Man U fans but thankfully for my sanity not all of them are as ridiculously blinkered as you appear to be. Watch the video above again, the part at 3:25 in particular and try and tell me again that he didn't dive. That amount of contact wouldn't knock my 3 year old nephew over much less a professional athlete.

i dont need to see it again. it was a penalty.when your running and dribbling at speed and you get clipped, you will lose control of the ball and also your balance.

[Big Mac]

Running at speed? So you obviously haven't seen it in the first place then. Ball was running at a greater speed AND there was more contact than there was for Ronaldo's dive, do you think that was a blatant penalty as well?

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Big Mac Running at speed? So you obviously haven't seen it in the first place then. Ball was running at a greater speed AND there was more contact than there was for Ronaldo's dive, do you think that was a blatant penalty as well?

im talking in general, not about yesterday.

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Big Mac Running at speed? So you obviously haven't seen it in the first place then. Ball was running at a greater speed AND there was more contact than there was for Ronaldo's dive, do you think that was a blatant penalty as well?

the difference with Ball's penalty was that brown stood his ground and did not move his leg towards ball. instead ball ran into him. ronaldo's penalty however, he outskilled ball and ball moved his leg towards ronaldo and clipped him.

[Rob H]

Good to know that as Ronaldo is diving towards the ground his head is already turning towards the referee looking for a penalty instead of having eyes on the ball.

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by Rob H Good to know that as Ronaldo is diving towards the ground his head is already turning towards the referee looking for a penalty instead of having eyes on the ball.

Who says he isnt skillful?

[Big Mac]

Fair play to hasbeen for keeping alive the stereotype of football supporters who are completely incapable of any sort of objective analysis due to the ridiculously large blinkers strapped firmly to their heads.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by Big Mac Fair play to hasbeen for keeping alive the stereotype of football supporters who are completely incapable of any sort of objective analysis due to the ridiculously large blinkers strapped firmly to their heads.

wait for the canadian contingent

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Rob H Good to know that as Ronaldo is diving towards the ground his head is already turning towards the referee looking for a penalty instead of having eyes on the ball.

yeh i suppose only ronaldo looks at the referee and no one else in the world does when they are brought down. what did baptista do today???

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker wait for the canadian contingent

oh WIY decides to crawl out of the gutter and have his say.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by hasbeen oh WIY decides to crawl out of the gutter and have his say.

gutter?

ahhaa - when u learn something about the game outside man utd, then i'll value ur opinion, at the moment, its worth absolutely nothing

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker gutter? ahhaa - when u learn something about the game outside man utd, then i'll value ur opinion, at the moment, its worth absolutely nothing

according to your sidekick madaboutlfc, you cant argue about football either because you aint a season ticket holder at barca. therefore at the moment your opinion isnt worth much either according to madaboutlfc.

[w4s1m786]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker gutter? ahhaa - when u learn something about the game outside man utd, then i'll value ur opinion, at the moment, its worth absolutely nothing

like your predictions

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by w4s1m786 like your predictions

coming from a spurs fan

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by hasbeen according to your sidekick madaboutlfc, you cant argue about football either because you aint a season ticket holder at barca. therefore at the moment your opinion isnt worth much either according to madaboutlfc.

but i've been to seen them play live on several occasions and inshallah when i complete my uni course, i'll have greater opportunity to go out there and see them play as well as visiting family!

[w4s1m786]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker coming from a spurs fan

yeah and i said 5th we will finish and im looking tobe on target with the way results went yesterday

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by w4s1m786 yeah and i said 5th we will finish and im looking tobe on target with the way results went yesterday

congratulations

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker but i've been to seen them play live on several occasions and inshallah when i complete my uni course, i'll have greater opportunity to go out there and see them play as well as visiting family!

several occasions?? haha ok then your an expert

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by hasbeen several occasions?? haha ok then your an expert

more so than u

[w4s1m786]

iv seen Pakistan play a good few times and im suddenly an expert at Cricket ?

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

i wouldnt say im an expert, just knowledgable about spanish footy

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker more so than u

or have you now? u sure about that? i forgot you seem to have your crystal ball out again

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker i wouldnt say im an expert, just knowledgable about spanish footy

and pretty clueless of english football. stick to your spanish football

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by hasbeen or have you now? u sure about that? i forgot you seem to have your crystal ball out again

going by the stuff u post on here, then it would be a resounding yes

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by hasbeen and pretty clueless of english football. stick to your spanish football

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker going by the stuff u post on here, then it would be a resounding yes

if you say so.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by hasbeen if you say so.

well i do

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker well i do

and i couldnt give two shiiits

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by hasbeen and i couldnt give two shiiits

thats the same view i have of ur opinions so its all good

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker thats the same view i have of ur opinions so its all good

yet we still keep replying to each other

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by hasbeen yet we still keep replying to each other

it's ironic

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker it's ironic

lol i aint got nothing personal against you, its just i disagree with everything you say regarding english football.

i agree with your views on barca and the likes of puyol thgh.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

Originally Posted by hasbeen lol i aint got nothing personal against you, its just i disagree with everything you say regarding english football. i agree with your views on barca and the likes of puyol thgh.

nothing personal against u either (are we agreeing! )- its just the wider utd fanbase

[w4s1m786]

same here, its just that on pp theres like a good group of 5 on here that wil rarely disagree on something even when everyone knows the player is Crap, they will still try to justify him being better then the other by saying "we have season tickets, so are opinions matter and yours dont"

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker nothing personal against u either (are we agreeing! )- its just the wider utd fanbase

agreement wont last long im sure we'l find something to disagree with pretty soon

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by w4s1m786 same here, its just that on pp theres like a good group of 5 on here that wil rarely disagree on something even when everyone knows the player is Crap, they will still try to justify him being better then the other by saying "we have season tickets, so are opinions matter and yours dont"

exactly. esp the bramble issue. i bet if GA said he is crap within a second the rest of the PPers would agree with him. i guess some people are easily convinced and dont have an opinion on their own.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

GA is really knowledgable on footy i must add

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker GA is really knowledgable on footy i must add

yeh i aint denying that, but if someone disagrees with him, it dont mean they aint knowledgable.

[w4s1m786]

Originally Posted by hasbeen yeh i aint denying that, but if someone disagrees with him, it dont mean they aint knowledgable.

my brother to be knowledgable u must have a season ticket at your respective club

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by w4s1m786 my brother to be knowledgable u must have a season ticket at your respective club

and a degree

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by hasbeen exactly. esp the bramble issue. i bet if GA said he is crap within a second the rest of the PPers would agree with him. i guess some people are easily convinced and dont have an opinion on their own.

I have said many times that Brambles problems are more mental than anything else - he has the strength and pace to do well BUT unfortunately for him he still has a schoolboy brain. You are not cr@p if you can comfortably mark Drogba like he did a few weeks back and like he did last season

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed I have said many times that Brambles problems are more mental than anything else - he has the strength and pace to do well BUT unfortunately for him he still has a schoolboy brain. You are not cr@p if you can comfortably mark Drogba like he did a few weeks back and like he did last season

playing at the top level, you need to be pysically and mentally equipped. if he is mentally weak, then that means he is still too crap for the premiership. his concentration is his worst attribute and you need that in the premiership more than anywhere

[Amir]

How did this thread turn into bramble and abotu season tickets. Yes the Canadian Contingent is here loud and proud!

However, Big Mac I do not think it was a dive. In slow motion it looks like a dive but he was clearly clipped and that is a foul. The Man City players were playing dirty all day and continously tripped him. Plus I love how you call Ronaldo's a dive...but you didn't mention how Man city got their penalty? OR is it you only see what you want to see?

[Oxy]

I dont know if it was a dive.

But he deserved the penalty after that thug tried to break his ribs in the 1st min.

I must be going soft......

[Daoud]

It wasnt a dive - contact was there and he made the most of it.

Although Amir, the contact here was far less than when Arsenal was playing Man U and Henry got tripped by Neville and you were complaining about a dive then

But yeah, Ball deserved to be sent off after that stomp

[Filosifar]

ronaldo..a great treat in football

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Daoud It wasnt a dive - contact was there and he made the most of it. Although Amir, the contact here was far less than when Arsenal was playing Man U and Henry got tripped by Neville and you were complaining about a dive then But yeah, Ball deserved to be sent off after that stomp

I don't remember the Henry play but I do accept I was a bit naive and angry after we lost that game so I made some rash comments. I believe a couple days after the game, I refrained myself and apologized for my comments? If not, then I am sorry for being naive.

Just recently, Henry has been playing a new stlye of football which I have not seen of him. I had much respect for him (and still do) but don't think of him in the same way anymore due to his new diving found nature.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

henry has been injured for a little while amir

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Amir Plus I love how you call Ronaldo's a dive...but you didn't mention how Man city got their penalty? OR is it you only see what you want to see?

Hmmm, I guess you missed this post from me:

Originally Posted by Big Mac Both of the 'penalties' yesterday were blatant dives, regardless of what the pundits say.

Can't blame you for failing to spot it though, it was pretty well hidden after all. Let me give you a bit of help finding it:


IT'S ONLY THE FIRST BLOODY REPLY TO THIS THREAD



Now...what was that about only seeing what you want to see?

[Medic]

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Waqar's inswinging yorker henry has been injured for a little while amir

I know that, I am talking about his play in the past year whenever has played.

And Big Mac I stand corrected, my apologies. Nonetheless, Ronaldo's penalty was fair and square....and your such a big fan of Italian football, you must have seen worst "dives" than that, yes?

[Big Mac]

A) My years spent watching Italian football have given me the ability to spot a dive from a mile away

B) The fact that I'm not hopelessly biased means I am able to call a dive a dive regardless of who commits it and never end up trying to claim that they are "fair and square"

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Big Mac A) My years spent watching Italian football have given me the ability to spot a dive from a mile away B) The fact that I'm not hopelessly biased means I am able to call a dive a dive regardless of who commits it and never end up trying to claim that they are "fair and square"

to be fair to you, when i was watching it live and i saw it, my first impression was a dive. then i saw the replay and saw he had been clipped and thought its a penalty.

now i think where we are disagreeing with big mac is, what is seen as a dive???

most of us think because ronaldo was clipped by Ball, then it had to be a penalty because ronaldo went past him and ball clipped him. I do think ronaldo played for it but i dont see that as diving. if he wasnt clipped i would have said blatant dive. but ronaldo was clipped and he decided to go down and get the penalty. it may not be ethical but he has the right to do it. i can understand big mac's thinking it was a dive because the way ronaldo played for it once he got clipped. we just differ on views of what is a dive and what aint.

[Big Mac]

He went down because he wanted to go down, not because the contact caused him to go down. Ball didn't make him lose his balance, he just fell over the moment he saw Ball's foot out there.

That's a dive anyway you slice it.

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Big Mac He went down because he wanted to go down, not because the contact caused him to go down. Ball didn't make him lose his balance, he just fell over the moment he saw Ball's foot out there. That's a dive anyway you slice it.

in my eyes, i think a dive is when someone goes down looking for a penalty without being touched or anything. in ronaldo's case he was looking for a penalty but he was touched and hence not a dive but clever play. he outsmarted ball and won his side a penalty.

[Big Mac]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Amir I don't remember the Henry play but I do accept I was a bit naive and angry after we lost that game so I made some rash comments. I believe a couple days after the game, I refrained myself and apologized for my comments? If not, then I am sorry for being naive. Just recently, Henry has been playing a new stlye of football which I have not seen of him. I had much respect for him (and still do) but don't think of him in the same way anymore due to his new diving found nature.

so i take it you dont respect Ronaldive . . . . . sorry i meant Ronaldo?

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed so i take it you dont respect Ronaldive . . . . . sorry i meant Ronaldo?

haha cant be worse than taylor though. plays like a sweeper/ gk and does acrobatic saves with his hands and goes down like he has been shot. good acting

[Uzi]

I don't think it was a blatant dive. More like a blatant foul.

Defenders have to get the ball when going in for challenges in the box otherwise it will be a penalty. In my view it was a deserved penalty.

[Waqar's inswinging yorker]

i have no qualms with it being given a penalty, there was contact and ronaldo made the most of it - that is fair enough but at the same time - i hate those ppl particularly the english commentators who in other matches would go on to applaud ronaldo for staying on his feet under similar circumstances.

There was a covering city defender, ronaldo went down - would he have if he'd have had a clear sighter of goal? its arguble

[adi 101]

Ronaldo done Ball once he outskilled him n there is contact he was bound to go down, it was a penny imo but Ronaldo did make most of it, i think another fact why he went down was to get revenge on Ball. On the other hand City should not have had a penalty Ball dived! Brown kept all part of his body to him self and didn't stick a leg out.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed so i take it you dont respect Ronaldive . . . . . sorry i meant Ronaldo?

And that is one aspect I really hated of his game. He has taken it out of his game now and you can see how changed he is. Even the pundits say so (but when they praise Utd, all of a sudden those pundits opinions mean nothign to you.).

Henry as of late has taken this upon himself. I noticed him doing it quite a few times now.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Amir And that is one aspect I really hated of his game. He has taken it out of his game now and you can see how changed he is. Even the pundits say so (but when they praise Utd, all of a sudden those pundits opinions mean nothign to you.). Henry as of late has taken this upon himself. I noticed him doing it quite a few times now.

like hell he has taken it out of his game - i was watching the review of the season on MUTV yesterday and there were a few incidents of him diving, the dive against Spurs to win a pen stood out and lets not forget his dive against Boro aswell - thats not to mention the numerous dives he does to win free kicks etc etc

I agree he has cut his diving down considerably compared to last year BUT its still a large part of his game, which is a shame cos he is a fantastic footballer . . . . much like Drogba

Henry as of late has been injured and before his injury i can only remember ONE diving incident, the one against Wigan. Ronaldo is far worse when it comes to simulation than Henry, to suggest otherwise is just plain ridiculous

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by hasbeen haha cant be worse than taylor though. plays like a sweeper/ gk and does acrobatic saves with his hands and goes down like he has been shot. good acting

yes he is worse than Taylor - Taylor has done those acrobative saves TWICE in his career, the last time being against Man-Utd at the start of the season whereas Ronaldo dives atleast once a match - and every so often wins a pen as a result

[Daoud]

Originally Posted by Geordie Ahmed yes he is worse than Taylor - Taylor has done those acrobative saves TWICE in his career, the last time being against Man-Utd at the start of the season whereas Ronaldo dives atleast once a match - and every so often wins a pen as a result

Plus those acrobatic saves are hilarious.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Originally Posted by Daoud Plus those acrobatic saves are hilarious.

the one against Villa was hilarious - i mean it has to be funny if it avoided being overshadowed by the Bowyer-Dyer fight