Whos better in ODIs Sami or Gul?

[Inswinger]

Lets say Asif and Shoiab are fully fit, they give us a great opening pair with the new ball. But who should be the third seakmer in ODIs.
Gul ghas proven that he is better in Tests than Sami. Asif, Akhtar, and Gul are a lock for tests. But who would be better in ODIs. Sami or Gul.

ODIs
Name: Mohammad Sami (Pakistan) Born: 24/02/1981
Matches: 83 (2001-)
Wickets- 118
Runs- 3357
Average- 28
Strike Rate- 34
Economy- 4.9

ODIs
Name: Umar Gul (Pakistan) Born: 14/04/1984
Matches: 30 (2003-)
Wickets- 39
Runs- 1054
Average- 27
Strike Rate- 35
Economy- 4.6


From the stats Gul; is better and he is 3 years younger.IMO Gul, Asif, and Shoaib playing together gives us the best chance of winning.

[iZeeshan]

Gul. IMO, Asif doesn't look like ODI material to me at the moment.

Lets go with Gul, Sami, Rao in ODIs.

[Plasma]

Originally Posted by iZeeshan Gul. IMO, Asif doesn't look like ODI material to me at the moment. Lets go with Gul, Sami, Rao in ODIs.

why not akthar?

[sohaib17]

Originally Posted by iZeeshan Gul. IMO, Asif doesn't look like ODI material to me at the moment. Lets go with Gul, Sami, Rao in ODIs.

another akhtar hater

can't do much about it but plzzz he is a matchwinner just at the avg and strike rate

i will go with SAMI AKHTAR and ASIF

[iZeeshan]

Me? An Akhtar hater? ME? AN AKHTAR HATER?

HOW EFFIN DARE YOU! Dude, Akhtar is my IDOL. I LOVE Shoaib Akhtar!

BUT I also love REALITY.

GET IT? Didn't think so.

[Osman]

sami akhtar and asif .... asif should bowl his 10 over quota before 40 overs, till he learns how to bowl well at the death (he should practice in the nets against Afridi and Razzaq and then try to implement this in domestic games first.) Sami and Akhtar are good at the death of an odi innings and if needed Razzaq is a decent death bowler too.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Sami without a doubt. Gul bottled it big time in the WC....I have no space for chokers...

[infamous9383]

Originally Posted by iZeeshan Gul. IMO, Asif doesn't look like ODI material to me at the moment. Lets go with Gul, Sami, Rao in ODIs.

SA series is a total distant memory now but I would include Rao as the third seamer. Why? he's not a sexy choice but always seems to do the job when given.

[Osman]

Originally Posted by Naved Sami without a doubt. Gul bottled it big time in the WC....I have no space for chokers...

for once i have to agree with you here ...... even though he didn't give away many runs in that crucial Ireland game he still bowled poorly IMO... too short when he needed to be pitching it up and be more attacking. Wickets were the only way Pakistan could have won that game ... and he would have done well to follow Samis example and bowl a fuller length. In the absence of Asif and Shoaib, Gul was our major hope and he let us down badly.... even Rao should definately be picked ahead of Gul in ODIs.

[Shoaib Akhtar's Fan]

Sami is defintely a better choice for ODI's.

[The Godfather]

gul for me

[cricket_crazy]

In Sami's last 2-3 odi series, he has been better than Gul, but I worry that he will soon be going back to bowling his old rubbish, but for now I would nervously pick Sami over Gul.

[iZeeshan]

I don't why Rao is consistently ignored. The debate should be between Rao and Asif, forget Gul and Sami! This guy extrememly economical and picks up wickets a good pace. Like infamous said above, he ain't sexy, nor does he have a big name in cricket, but he gets the job done.

[Easa]

Haha, Rao isn't in the same class as Asif. He is a good bowler but Asif is special. A couple of ODI's dont change a damn thing.. Asif is the next big thing, while Rao is a handy bowler. Don't compare the two at all.

[PlanetPakistan]

Zeeshan,

I guarantee that Asif will do well in the upcoming games. I am so sure that he will do well that if he doesn't do well i will have tomatoes for dinner

[waqar_ahmad]

Sami for me, but once again let me say it, only if he is allowed to bowl at pace and with freedom. I also think umar gul isnt a very smart bowler

[waqar_ahmad]

I understadn what zeeshan is trying to say. I dont agree with it completely, but i dont think asif is that great a bowler in ODIs yet. any batsman who will go after him, may be move around in the crease to try to change Asif's line and length can trouble asif a lot.

[tauseefm]

Originally Posted by Naved Sami without a doubt. Gul bottled it big time in the WC....I have no space for chokers...

atleast Gul performaned in 90% matches and choked in 10% unlike sami who is in the team just because of injuries not because of his performace... i have said it b4 and saying it again.. if i have option "Main sami di jaga IT(punjabi) rakha lakin sami noo team which na rakhan)"

[Sabika]

gul has done reasonably well recently so i guess i would go with him
asif should do okay in odis
hes not been great but it was onyl 2 odis
but he will find form im rpretty sure
if akhtar is fit ( which is not very often) he has to play
but if he isnt youve got to pick sami because we need someone with a little more pace.

[Lightning]

For me Gul is a fantastic bowler...however he does not compliment Shoaib and Asif well. Sami has raw pace and is very good at the death. Sami is a superb ODI player for my money. Great fielder which is rare for someone who hurls it at 90+ and he's a handy bat.

[mos123]

hmm both of them is good.Sami has pace and gul has seam and swing
both should get chance

[saj786]

gul for me any day, sami has had 2 many chances and failed, gul is young and for me is the most talented out of all the pak quicks, new ball hes got good dicipline and control, whilst with the old ball hes the master of reverse swing like the great wasim and waqar, and please please dont mention razzack hes a flop from the past, hes not going to get anybetter, and having seen arafat in county hes surely the guy to turn 2, so all u razzack muppets get your blinkers off u talk trash hes the thing of the past

[Luton Bad Boy]

Gul, as simple as that, Sami is too 'hot and cold' for my liking. At least Gul, has a better variety of bowling and thinks of different ways of getting a batsman out. Because Sami runs fast kinda makes him a little formidable.

[Easa]

And by the way, Gul over Sami any day of the week.

[faisalm]

Has to be Gul, Sami bowls to many 'hit me' balls, so he basically give a minimum of 16 runs by bad balls and on top of that he doesn't bowl many good balls so it's not difficult scoring about 40-50 of his 10 overs.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by tauseefm atleast Gul performaned in 90% matches and choked in 10% unlike sami who is in the team just because of injuries not because of his performace... i have said it b4 and saying it again.. if i have option "Main sami di jaga IT(punjabi) rakha lakin sami noo team which na rakhan)"

The concept of choking arises from crunch games. If you fail at the crucial hurdle despite performing 90% of the time, you're still a choker. Cases in point Tendu and South Africa.

[Luton Bad Boy]

Originally Posted by Naved The concept of choking arises from crunch games. If you fail at the crucial hurdle despite performing 90% of the time, you're still a choker. Cases in point Tendu and South Africa.

Valid point, but, at least Gul spearheaded our attack against England last year in comparison to Sami who was probably better off buying a ticket for the games rather than playing.

100% performance is a rarity, similar to Naved actually leaving his attic and saying positive comments (this statement could be labelled as a mix of a compliment and an insult, depends how you read it)

Gul has had matchwinning performances whilst Sami is still to shine even after about 5 years worth of cricket. Gul is the future and Sami is the past e.g. passed his 'best'

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Luton Bad Boy Valid point, but, at least Gul spearheaded our attack against England last year in comparison to Sami who was probably better off buying a ticket for the games rather than playing. 100% performance is a rarity, similar to Naved actually leaving his attic and saying positive comments (this statement could be labelled as a mix of a compliment and an insult, depends how you read it) Gul has had matchwinning performances whilst Sami is still to shine even after about 5 years worth of cricket. Gul is the future and Sami is the past e.g. passed his 'best'

I am being positive. I've just complimented Sami!

Gul seems a bit dheela to me......possibly a more consistent performer, but his dheelapun will probably stop him from performing dynamically....

[nedian21]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Lets say Asif and Shoiab are fully fit, they give us a great opening pair with the new ball. But who should be the third seakmer in ODIs. Gul ghas proven that he is better in Tests than Sami. Asif, Akhtar, and Gul are a lock for tests. But who would be better in ODIs. Sami or Gul. ODIs Name: Mohammad Sami (Pakistan) Born: 24/02/1981 Matches: 83 (2001-) Wickets- 118 Runs- 3357 Average- 28 Strike Rate- 34 Economy- 4.9 ODIs Name: Umar Gul (Pakistan) Born: 14/04/1984 Matches: 30 (2003-) Wickets- 39 Runs- 1054 Average- 27 Strike Rate- 35 Economy- 4.6 From the stats Gul; is better and he is 3 years younger.IMO Gul, Asif, and Shoaib playing together gives us the best chance of winning.

No comparison. Sami Marshall is a tried and tested failure. And before Sami fans jump to point out his ODI record is much better than Test, I just want to say that after playing so many matches and endless chance to show his infinite potential to the nation his ODI record is pretty mediocre.

Forget the stats Gul is miles ahead than Imran Khan’s chaheta. Sami is the luckiest cricketer to ever play for Pakistan. and in any other team of the world barring Bangla (even Murtaza is better than him) and Zimbo he wouldnt be picked on consistent basis.

[Luton Bad Boy]

Originally Posted by Naved I am being positive. I've just complimented Sami! Gul seems a bit dheela to me......possibly a more consistent performer, but his dheelapun will probably stop him from performing dynamically....

Whats this dheela sheela business Nav dude, at least with Gul you have the possibility of a wicket taking delivery, but, with Sami, it is more hope than expectation when he is bowling!

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Luton Bad Boy Whats this dheela sheela business Nav dude, at least with Gul you have the possibility of a wicket taking delivery, but, with Sami, it is more hope than expectation when he is bowling!

Maybe. I think Gul just irritates me.....never really rated him much. Too much was made of his 5-fer Vs India, and if you look at his successes Vs the Windies, can it really be much of an achievement considering sidearse has shredded them to prieces.

Sami's is an utterly useless bowler when he's not going flat out. If he bowls that 81 mph tosh, then yes he really is bakwas. But when he is going for it there's more hope from him than Gul.

Doesn't really matter though. Won't lose too much sleep whichever one is preferred.

[Inswinger]

IMO Asif and Gul are gonna be the top bowlers for Pakistan. (atleast in tests)

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by Naved Maybe. I think Gul just irritates me.....never really rated him much. Too much was made of his 5-fer Vs India, and if you look at his successes Vs the Windies, can it really be much of an achievement considering sidearse has shredded them to prieces. Sami's is an utterly useless bowler when he's not going flat out. If he bowls that 81 mph tosh, then yes he really is bakwas. But when he is going for it there's more hope from him than Gul. Doesn't really matter though. Won't lose too much sleep whichever one is preferred.

thats the main point which most people fail to understand. inzi turned Sami into a medium pacer. he needs to start bowlign in the 90s like he used to coz at that pace, he is a totally different bowler.

[Inswinger]

But he get wild too when bowling at 90 mph. Remember when he sent down seven wides and four no balls taking 17 deliveries to complete his second over against Bangladesh.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Inswinger But he get wild too when bowling at 90 mph. Remember when he sent down seven wides and four no balls taking 17 deliveries to complete his second over against Bangladesh.

Yes, but that also coincided with the time Bob made him reduce his run up - which ultimately led him to become that useless medium pacer that Waqar ahmad just pointed out.

You're rhythm is obviously going to be affected when you're asked to change your run up from something you have been used to for years - leading naturally, to no-balls.

[Inswinger]

So they should let him play his game the way he wants too just like Afridi

[Sheikh]

Gul by a long, long way. Gul is one of the most talented bowlers in the world. He's still very young and will only get better. Gul and asif are the future of our attack. Having said that I'd rather Sami play odi's than Gul. We don't need our best bowlers bowling in useless pajama cricket.

[Hassaan]

hmmmm......i will go with the 2 fast people Sami and Akthat and then the next McGrath,Asif I think those people are a very good and I choose Sami only because he has more experience and he has more wickets and he just knows what should be done but Gul is excellent at test if it was over them 2 in test Gul al the way,Sami needs to work on bowling a lil more

[J-Essence]

sami seems to be coming out of his dark dayz....looks more improved.....i feel that he does good when he enjoys his cricket....Gul will be a very consistent bowler for Pakistan and should always be considered in both forms of the game.....i don't think any bowler should get automatic spot besides those who are in good form...player like asif, shoaib, rao, gul, sami, rana etc should remain close to the playing squad....sometime the weakest bowlers can raise up to challenge the best and keep them working hard for their spot in the team...

[Usman Chadda]

In the last few ODIs, Sami has looked much better than Gul. Right now it would be better to pick Sami as he is in much better rhythm than Gul, who looked out of sorts in Abu Dhabi

[Amjid Javed]

Gul is just starting his ODI Career off. Its been stop/start process thsu far.

Sami had a goo patch between early 2003-2004 were he produced some good performances. Since then thou barring odi game here and there hes been pretty average in ODI performances.

[Hassaan]

well sami has been bowling good and if i was the captain and I had to choose who would be in the squad it would be Sami because in the Abu Dubai series Sami was bowling a lot better than he usually does but GUl was really bad even though he picked up 3 wickets in 1st match so I'm gonna go with Sami because he should improvement and has a little more experience

[IMMY69]

Originally Posted by Amjid Javed Gul is just starting his ODI Career off. Its been stop/start process thsu far. Sami had a goo patch between early 2003-2004 were he produced some good performances. Since then thou barring odi game here and there hes been pretty average in ODI performances.

absolutely spot on amjid...

naved your statement regarding gul being a choker and that no place for chokers is complete and utter nonsense.....you can only call gul a choker once he has a little experience and then lets the team down...the bloke had a career threatening injury and like amjid says, he is just starting jis odi career..so give the guy a break...

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by IMMY69 absolutely spot on amjid... naved your statement regarding gul being a choker and that no place for chokers is complete and utter nonsense.....you can only call gul a choker once he has a little experience and then lets the team down...the bloke had a career threatening injury and like amjid says, he is just starting jis odi career..so give the guy a break...

Mr 69,

He isn't a newcomer to international cricket. Agreed he had a serious injury, but he came back from that nearly 18 months ago. He was being touted as "the one to watch" for pak in the World Cup. Surely he has enough experience to know how to take a few wickets against Ireland.

The reason why I called him a choker is not because of lack of ability. We know he has some, it was his failure to execute the ability due to fear of failure. He was reluctant to pitch the ball up for fear of being hit around.

There are two types of players in pressure situations. Some show total belief and overcome the pressure by trying to win, some stop believing in themselves and try their best not to lose or look bad.

I prefer the former and Gul is the latter.

[Waseem]

Give Gul as many chances as Sami and then compare the two. Sami has improved a bit as an ODI bowler but ONLY if we compare him with old Sami otherwise he is not better than Gul or even Rao.

Gul is a much better long term option (if he stays fit) and i will give him another 3-4 series before even thinking baout playing Sami ahead of him.

[PlanetPakistan]

M Sami for now.

After the "tactical mistake" by our former captain i am sure that the new captain and M Sami himself would have learnt from that so i see no reason why he can't get back to bowling as well as he was in 2002/03.

[immubhai]

Sami is defintely a better choice for ODI's.