Sachin wasn't out, admits umpire

[D BHAI]

As the battle between India and England is getting louder and sharper, umpire Simon Taufel is slowly becoming its first victim.

The 36-year-old Australian, who had blundered twice on Sunday, conceded that he had wrongly given Sachin Tendulkar out.

"I always look at the big screen after giving a decision. The minute I saw replays of Sachin's dismissal I knew I had got it wrong," he said.

Taufel insisted he couldn't be faulted in Sourav Ganguly's case. "I would have given him out every time," he said.

"As the ball crossed his bat there was a sound. Even non-striker Laxman heard it." Yes, but the bat was at least two inches away from the ball.

Taufel told Sky Sports that he was very upset with himself for giving Tendulkar out. He, however, didn't make any effort to speak to the third umpire or call Tendulkar back, as he had done in Kevin Pietersen's case in the first Test.

Taufel had lifted his finger when MS Dhoni claimed a thick edge off Pietersen. He, however, succumbed to the pressure when TV replays showed that the ball had hit the turf before Dhoni caught it.

Seeing Pietersen coming back, on instructions from the English dressing room, Taufel consulted colleague Steve Bucknor and overruled his own decision.

Tendulkar was too stunned to react. He didn't come to the press conference even though he was the day's best performer.

"The big disappointment is that people come to watch top players and I gave him (Sachin) out wrongly," Taufel told the host channel, revealed commentators David Gower and David Lloyd.

[Invictus]

Taufel is a very good umpire. Everyone makes mistakes. As long as its not deemed to be intentional you cant fault the guy.

[sohaib17]

thats called a great and humble person



not many people accept thier mistakes and realize and ask for an apology


HATS OFF TO YOU SIMON TAUFEL

[ECB]

Great, now everytime there is a wrong decision; he will have to explain it?

Tailender wasn't out too, so wheres his apology?

[ahsan17]

Why is this being blown out of proportion so much by the media? What did the media do when Hair robbed Pakistan of the series last summer (not talking about Oval test but rather the umpiring at Headingley)? Oh right, all I heard was "Umpires make mistake, get over it." Mind you, even though I didn't see how close or how bad was this decision of Tendulkar, I can bet you it couldn't have been more obvious than when Hair gave KP not out and he went on to make 130 odd. Seriously, double standards are more than clear in cricket as well.

[Asim2Good]

what abt Bucknor who denied Eng win when he didn't give LBW to Sreesanth who was plumb agaisnt Monty ?

[muthoo]

Why must every umpiring error be linked back to Darrell Hair?

I feel sorry for umpires when they undergo trial by media after every mistake.

[ahsan17]

Originally Posted by muthoo Why must every umpiring error be linked back to Darrell Hair? I feel sorry for umpires when they undergo trial by media after every mistake.

It's not exactly the umpire that was standing there, but rather the decision that was made. If it was another umpire, I would still mention the pathetic decision.

[kablooee87]

I have never seen a wrong LBW decision get SO much attention. It wasn't THAT big a deal. A wrong decision yes, but not worth so many columns written about it and what not.

If any decision turned the course of a test match, it was the reprieve Peiterson got last year...but we all know how that turned out.

[jackal786]

Originally Posted by Asim2Good what abt Bucknor who denied Eng win when he didn't give LBW to Sreesanth who was plumb agaisnt Monty ?

Dravid was not out. But given plumb in the last test. Sreesanth would not have even come had Dravid continued to play. So it all evened out at the end.

[Daoud]

Its just when something happens to Tendulkar things get blown out of proportion. I remember the uproar when Bucknor gave Tendulkar out shouldering arms in the Brisbane test during the 03/04 series in Oz

[jackal786]

This test gets more focus because so many clear cut decisions went against India that involving top btasmen mostly involving Simon Taufel who suggested penalization for bad umpiring

1) Tendulkar, 2) Ganguly 3) Laxman all 3 are not out. but given out

In the second innings of England

1) KP 2) Collingwood both were clearly out with big nick. But not given. Snicko confirmed it on both occasions.

So 5 decisions involving big players went against India. On a different day these decisions could have lost the test for them. Obviously there will be more fuss.

[Easa]

It was a poor decision, but there is too much fuss being made about it. Sure the Indians feel denied and rightly so, but what about last year when Darrel Hair's stupidity and Doctrove's incompetency robbed Pakistan. Nobody made a fuss except the actual Pakistan team finally snapped in the final Test after so many wrong decisions. Where was the media then?

[jackal786]

Originally Posted by Easa It was a poor decision, but there is too much fuss being made about it. Sure the Indians feel denied and rightly so, but what about last year when Darrel Hair's stupidity and Doctrove's incompetency robbed Pakistan. Nobody made a fuss except the actual Pakistan team finally snapped in the final Test after so many wrong decisions. Where was the media then?

Do you see Hair umpiring anymore? That series was a feast for media more than this. This became fussy not because it was Tendulkar but because the umpire is Taufel. Taufel was some sort of bradman, ponting in the umpiring world. But he was utterly innocuous in this match something you don't see very often. He probably felt compelled to own up the responsibility.

Also Hair being a bad umpire is not really a news! It is everyday affair. But Taufel being a bad umpire is a rare thing to happen. Man who won best umpire award two years in a row.

[iZeeshan]

I don't like this guy anymore. Regardless of him making an apology, or whatever, it mentions that Taufel made an effort to bring back Kevin Pietersen but not Sachin. If he knew right away, then he could have done something.

[Easa]

Originally Posted by jackal786 Do you see Hair umpiring anymore? That series was a feast for media more than this. This became fussy not because it was Tendulkar but because the umpire is Taufel. Taufel was some sort of bradman, ponting in the umpiring world. But he was utterly innocuous in this match something you don't see very often. He probably felt compelled to own up the responsibility. Also Hair being a bad umpire is not really a news! It is everyday affair. But Taufel being a bad umpire is a rare thing to happen. Man who won best umpire award two years in a row.

Do you remember how many decisions went against Pakistan last year? They were so much that they might have cost us the series. Sure we, at PakPassion, were making a huge fuss and rightly so but I am talking about the international media. They termed these horrible decisions that went against us as 'part of the game' and used lines such as 'mistakes happen'. Until finally, after the final Test, people and the idiotic English media began realizing that these were not mistakes or human errors - these were done intentionally by that racist bloke, Darrel Hair.

It doesn't matter that he is not umpiring anymore - he cost us a match and maybe even the series and the media didn't react until AFTER the series had been completed and Pakistan had made their stand.

Yet this time, these mistakes were from the best umpire in the world, and were actually human errors and the media makes a bigger fuss than they made when intentional poor decisions were being made against the Pakistan team.

That is my point.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by jackal786 Do you see Hair umpiring anymore? That series was a feast for media more than this. This became fussy not because it was Tendulkar but because the umpire is Taufel. Taufel was some sort of bradman, ponting in the umpiring world. But he was utterly innocuous in this match something you don't see very often. He probably felt compelled to own up the responsibility. Also Hair being a bad umpire is not really a news! It is everyday affair. But Taufel being a bad umpire is a rare thing to happen. Man who won best umpire award two years in a row.

Um, you are comparing this LBW decision to what Darryl Hair did? Darryl Hair is not umpiring anymore becasue a) He called a team a cheat without proof. B) He did not resume the match when everyone was ready. C) He tried to blackmail the ICC for money.

Now, you are saying that is similar to a couple of honestly bad LBW decisions?

I seen Taufel make mistakes against Pakistanis too but he never came out and said I was wrong. I think sometimes people make a big dela of Sachin getting out. However if he knicks it, it is just brusehd under the rug and the "Little master shows his genius." (aka Mohali 2005 when he was caught behind off Kaneria for 4, but went on to make 94).

[shahzad_1]

Originally Posted by D BHAI As the battle between India and England is getting louder and sharper, umpire Simon Taufel is slowly becoming its first victim. The 36-year-old Australian, who had blundered twice on Sunday, conceded that he had wrongly given Sachin Tendulkar out. "I always look at the big screen after giving a decision. The minute I saw replays of Sachin's dismissal I knew I had got it wrong," he said. Taufel insisted he couldn't be faulted in Sourav Ganguly's case. "I would have given him out every time," he said. "As the ball crossed his bat there was a sound. Even non-striker Laxman heard it." Yes, but the bat was at least two inches away from the ball. Taufel told Sky Sports that he was very upset with himself for giving Tendulkar out. He, however, didn't make any effort to speak to the third umpire or call Tendulkar back, as he had done in Kevin Pietersen's case in the first Test. Taufel had lifted his finger when MS Dhoni claimed a thick edge off Pietersen. He, however, succumbed to the pressure when TV replays showed that the ball had hit the turf before Dhoni caught it. Seeing Pietersen coming back, on instructions from the English dressing room, Taufel consulted colleague Steve Bucknor and overruled his own decision. Tendulkar was too stunned to react. He didn't come to the press conference even though he was the day's best performer. "The big disappointment is that people come to watch top players and I gave him (Sachin) out wrongly," Taufel told the host channel, revealed commentators David Gower and David Lloyd.

I guess fan have learned to live with it, so players should do the same.
Cricket is very unpredictable, we can not say that he would have gone and made century in that inning. He probably would have been out on the next ball.
Look, what happen in second inning, he made just a single.
Now, people might argue that he was disappointed from first inning, therefore he was not able to concentrate.

But, Tufu is a good umpire. He wouldn't do anything like that intentionally to hurt Tendu.

[muthoo]

Originally Posted by Easa Do you remember how many decisions went against Pakistan last year? They were so much that they might have cost us the series. Sure we, at PakPassion, were making a huge fuss and rightly so but I am talking about the international media. They termed these horrible decisions that went against us as 'part of the game' and used lines such as 'mistakes happen'. Until finally, after the final Test, people and the idiotic English media began realizing that these were not mistakes or human errors - these were done intentionally by that racist bloke, Darrel Hair. That is my point.

Hair didn't even umpire in the 1st and 2nd test last year. You make it sound as if he was umpiring the entire series and all the wrong decisions were his doing.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by muthoo Hair didn't even umpire in the 1st and 2nd test last year. You make it sound as if he was umpiring the entire series and all the wrong decisions were his doing.

Still, look at that third test. What if we got Pietersen out early? We would have had a 200 run lead for sure and would not be battling on day five.

And then the fourth test? Ball reverse swining. Gul bowling and we seen what he can do with reverse. We were going to win that test.

[Mohsin]

Hair didn't even umpire in the 1st and 2nd test last year. You make it sound as if he was umpiring the entire series and all the wrong decisions were his doing.

Yeah like Amir said, if Hair had not only given Pieterson out but also another batsman (I cant remember which 1) out early in that game, we'd have blown England away, managed to have gotten ourselves a good lead, and probably won that test, and like Amir said, if Hair didn't interfere in the Oval test, we'd have won that match too and the series would have been won 2-1, and we would have all been saved from the infamous 'ball-tampering' row that Hair ignited.

[Indiafan]

I guess this was more highlighted because the umpire ADMITTED he was wrong which is a rare event.

[siddharth]

I still think he is a great umpire .just like players ,a kinda out of form .

[Easa]

Originally Posted by muthoo Hair didn't even umpire in the 1st and 2nd test last year. You make it sound as if he was umpiring the entire series and all the wrong decisions were his doing.

Well, the first Test at Lords was drawn and in the second, England just destroyed us on a bouncy pitch.

However, in the 3rd Test, crucial decisions went against us and in the 4th, before Hair intervened, we were well on our way to winning that Test. So Hair did interfere in the crucial moments of the Test series and without him, we could have won the series 2/1 with a little bit of luck. It should definetly not have been 3/0.

And all this with Younis, Malik, Shoaib, Asif, and Rana missing at different parts of the series and with Pakistan playing with a mediocre bowling attack.

[Jayed]

Ill never forgive him......he gave Sachin out for no reason...I don't care if he said sorry ;)

[Easa]

Originally Posted by Jayed Ill never forgive him......he gave Sachin out for no reason...I don't care if he said sorry ;)

Okay..

[hellopak]

Originally Posted by muthoo Hair didn't even umpire in the 1st and 2nd test last year. You make it sound as if he was umpiring the entire series and all the wrong decisions were his doing.

It doesnt matter who made bad decision, all Essa is talking where was the media. Why didn't media made a deal of it until the final test when Pakistan team took actions.

He is rightly saying that Pakistan was robbed many more times in that series even before final test than any other team, but no one talked about umpirings. It doesn't matter who were the umpires, it is a bad decision against a player and a team, it doesn't matter who made it. Especially if it is repeatedly done then media must condemn it.

In case of Simon Taufel, I know he is a better umpire than others, but about Sachin decision he only came out since India already won the game. If India was loosing i don't think he would have admitted.

Look at the first test, when Monty call for LBW was denied by umpire and India saved the test. Who knows that decision may have already cost England the series.

[12thMan]

It becomes a big deal because ESPN India was going to have a special program on that decision. This was mentioned by David Lloyd and he was supposed to be on the program. Later when Ganguly was given out Atherton remarked they might have to make two programs now.

It was a wrong decision but probably not the worst I saw in the match. it is getting blown up as it was Tendulkar and maybe also because he was near his hundred.

[foojam]

Originally Posted by sohaib17 thats called a great and humble person not many people accept thier mistakes and realize and ask for an apology HATS OFF TO YOU SIMON TAUFEL

yea can u imagine hair ever doin that??!!

[jackal786]

Originally Posted by Easa Well, the first Test at Lords was drawn and in the second, England just destroyed us on a bouncy pitch. However, in the 3rd Test, crucial decisions went against us and in the 4th, before Hair intervened, we were well on our way to winning that Test. So Hair did interfere in the crucial moments of the Test series and without him, we could have won the series 2/1 with a little bit of luck. It should definetly not have been 3/0. And all this with Younis, Malik, Shoaib, Asif, and Rana missing at different parts of the series and with Pakistan playing with a mediocre bowling attack.

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/engv...ry/255618.html

You suggest as if nobody has covered this!!.. Commentators did discuss about it.

[ahsan17]

Originally Posted by jackal786 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/engv...ry/255618.html You suggest as if nobody has covered this!!.. Commentators did discuss about it.

Dude. It got no where as much coverage. That's the only article, and it happens to be written by a Pakistani. Whereas this one decision of Tendulkar gets as much coverage as it's the end of the world.

[Easa]

Originally Posted by jackal786 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/engv...ry/255618.html You suggest as if nobody has covered this!!.. Commentators did discuss about it.

One article and that too by a Pakistan, who felt as cheated by the fat man's decisions as we did. Nowhere near the kind of coverage the Tendulkar/Ganguly non-decisions got - the commentators kept drilling it in, it kept getting mentioned, and articles were written about it.

[jackal786]

Originally Posted by Easa One article and that too by a Pakistan, who felt as cheated by the fat man's decisions as we did. Nowhere near the kind of coverage the Tendulkar/Ganguly non-decisions got - the commentators kept drilling it in, it kept getting mentioned, and articles were written about it.

What else you expect commentators to discuss? They discussed about pretty much everything. Infact most of the coverage was about Sreesanth's antics and general childish behavior. England went on and on about how Sreesanth was not given out in the first test. But they conveniently under played Dravid's decision. I don't know where you are going with this. Media coverage doesn't mean you are going to get another chance to bat. You will still get bad decisions. Like Tendulkar never got bad decisions. He has got several in his career. He will get whether the coverage is for 100 pages or 1 page. Every decision be it is sreesanth or tendulkar or anyone.. if the decision is unlucky they do say it is unlucky. Whether you write book about it or not it is still not going to change anything. Simon Taufel saw the big screen and disappointed with himself and he has experssed it in media. He also gave pietersen out wrong. Didn't he call him back? Infact most of the coverage i have seen from the bad behavior of both sides.

[ellawilson]

Everybody makes mistake , but those persons who repent after doing so is forgivable.

[Rob H]

On a slight tangent, the mode of dismissal is what annoys me. There should be a new rule in cricket called "leaving the ball". Why is it that when a batsmen leaves the ball outside off stump to a pace bowler and it hits his pad he is given out so often? Nearly every umpire has this obsession that when a player leaves a ball close to offstump it must be out. Nearly 95% of the time these decisions are wrong because the ball is either too high or missing off stump by a mile. However when a spinner is bowling and this happens, they are never given. A batsmen leaves a ball if he thinks it is not threatening the stumps. Now unless the ball has deviated a long way (like RP Singh to Pietersen in this match) or it is plumb then the umpires should never give these.

[PlanetPakistan]

Ganguly might have been out before he was actually given out so there shouldn't be too much complain about his decision...even SRT was constantly being hit on the pads and it was just a question of time.

[Rob H]

Originally Posted by Rob H On a slight tangent, the mode of dismissal is what annoys me. There should be a new rule in cricket called "leaving the ball". Why is it that when a batsmen leaves the ball outside off stump to a pace bowler and it hits his pad he is given out so often? Nearly every umpire has this obsession that when a player leaves a ball close to offstump it must be out. Nearly 95% of the time these decisions are wrong because the ball is either too high or missing off stump by a mile. However when a spinner is bowling and this happens, they are never given. A batsmen leaves a ball if he thinks it is not threatening the stumps. Now unless the ball has deviated a long way (like RP Singh to Pietersen in this match) or it is plumb then the umpires should never give these.

Don't mean to bump this thread up for the Sachin thing BUT as my post above goes on about, dismissal by leaving the ball has struck again! Ian Howell gives Jaffer lbw to a ball going miles over the stumps just because he left the ball. Why do umpires automatically give the lbw just because the batsman has left it??? They don't take any other aspect into account, it's ridiculous.