Alam annoyed by coach's late arrival

[Mohsin]

Former Pakistan Test captain Intikhab Alam has questioned the late arrival of new national team coach Geoff Lawson ahead of next month's ICC World Twenty20. Lawson is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan on August 21, just 20 days before the start of the South Africa tournament, to begin his preparations.

The Australian will assess the Pakistan squad in the last phase of the training camp, which will be held in Lahore from August 19, but Intikhab believes that Lawson needs more time with players ahead of such a big event. Talking to Pakistan newspaper The Dawn, Intikhab said: "What is Geoff Lawson doing in Sydney? He should be here soon after the Pakistan Cricket Board appointed him as the new coach. "Time is running short and I do not see Lawson's effective role in preparing the strategy for the world championship in such a short time. Lawson has to know the psyche of each player and the local cricket atmosphere with a big handicap of communication problems. I think he will not get enough time to meet all the challenges in such a short time."

However, when it came to team selection, the 65-year-old has supported the PCB's decision to omit run-maker Mohammad Yousuf and all-rounder Abdul Razzaq from the squad. Intikhab added: "I believe our national selectors took a right decision by dropping Yousuf and Razzaq. "No doubt both are world-class players and they have done a lot for the country, but Twenty20 cricket requires alert fielding, good running between the wickets and line and length bowling to win matches."

Source: http://news.google.co.uk/news/url?sa...cid=1119379671

[in_cutter]

[Amir]

He is right. What type of coach i snot there to see the team he will be working with in the future.

[deviously~fading~away]

Originally Posted by in_cutter

And that sums up the reply to this thread

[Sheikh]

Originally Posted by Amir He is right. What type of coach i snot there to see the team he will be working with in the future.

You're about the 50th poster I'm going to have to explain this to: Lawson's contract is scheduled to begin on the 20th of August. The PCB are the ones to have offered the contract and it is them who stipulate when he should begin. Therefore it isn't Lawson's fault he isn't here; it's a matter of when his contract begins and that's decided by the PCB. Get it?

[MIG]

Should read : Alam annoyed.period.

[Sheikh]

Intikhab worried over Lawson’s late arrival: Backs team selection for World Twenty20



By Mohammad Yaqoob


LAHORE, Aug 12: Former Test captain Intikhab Alam, while supporting the decision to drop top batsman Mohammad Yousuf and veteran all-rounder Abdul Razzaq from the Pakistan team for the Twenty20 World Championship, has expressed concern over late arrival of new coach Geoff Lawson.

Intikhab is also critical of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) for threatening cricketers with bans for joining the Indian Cricket League (ICL).

Talking to Dawn on Sunday, Intikhab said the Twenty20 cricket was more demanding and youngsters were the better choice instead of ageing Yousuf and Razzaq.

“The South Africans also gave rest to seasoned Jacques Kallis for the Twenty20 World Championship and I believe our national selectors took a right decision by dropping Yousuf and Razzaq,” Intikhab said.

“No doubt both are world-class players and they have done a lot for the country, but Twenty20 cricket requires alert fielding, good running between the wickets and line and length bowling to win matches,” he said.

Intikhab said that with the introduction of new rules of free hit for every no ball, the bowlers had to be extra careful as no team could bear the luxury.

The former skipper, however, avoided to predict chances of Pakistan’s victory in the World Championship, which is being held in South Africa from Sept 11 to 24.

“Let us hope for better results, but no doubt the boys have to work very hard to achieve a respectable place,” he said.

Intikhab expressed astonishment over the late arrival of Lawson, the former Australian Test bowler. “What is Geoff Lawson doing in Sydney? He should be here soon after the PCB appointed him as the new coach. Time is running short and I do not see Lawson's effective role in preparing the strategy for the World Championship in such a short time,” Intikhab opined.

“Lawson has to know the psyche of each player and the local cricket atmosphere with a big handicap of communication problems. I think he will not get enough time to meet all the challenges in such a short time,” he said.

Lawson was appointed new Pakistan coach in mid July in place of late Bob Woolmer. He is scheduled to reach here on Aug 21, just 20 days before the start of the World Championship. He will look at the Pakistan squad in the last phase of the training camp that is being held in Lahore from Aug 19.

“I believe if Lawson was here during the third phase of the training camp in Karachi, he would have some role in the team's selection for the World Championship, which was essential,” Intikhab pointed out.

Intikhab said no player should be banned for playing in the proposed ICL as it was the right of every player to secure his future.

“There is no need of imposing ban on those cricketers who intend to play the ICL and the PCB should not stop any one from doing so,” he remarked.

“It is the same case like that of Kerry Packer circus in the 1970s and the people still remember all the boards had to accept the reality and lift the ban on all players,” he said.

“The start of ICL is good for cricket as it will provide more opportunities to the players to earn money and to make their future bright,” he said.

Intikhab advised the PCB not to compromise on discipline and it had rightly imposed a cash fine of Rs300,000 on fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar for skipping out the national training camp in Karachi on Aug 4.

“Discipline must be the top priority of the PCB and it should not show any lenient attitude for any player in this connection,” he concluded.

http://www.dawn.com/2007/08/13/spt2.htm

[iZeeshan]

He's jealous, but in jealousy he made a really good point. Lawsome should really be with the team. Its less then a month to the tournamnent.

[ragoo52]

20/20 is garbage tournament anyways....but lawson should be in pakistan right now

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Sheikh You're about the 50th poster I'm going to have to explain this to: Lawson's contract is scheduled to begin on the 20th of August. The PCB are the ones to have offered the contract and it is them who stipulate when he should begin. Therefore it isn't Lawson's fault he isn't here; it's a matter of when his contract begins and that's decided by the PCB. Get it?

So what, as a coach he can't say to come earlier? He has to abide by that? And I am sure PCB were like "hey start on August 20th!" I am sure Lawson had some say. Don't give me this bull on trying to blame in on PCB like usual.

[Amir]

Originally Posted by iZeeshan He's jealous, but in jealousy he made a really good point. Lawsome should really be with the team. Its less then a month to the tournamnent.

How is he jealous? He did not apply for the coach position and he was a world cup victory!

[iZeeshan]

Originally Posted by Amir How is he jealous? He did not apply for the coach position and he was a world cup victory!

My bad. I thought he did.

[Sheikh]

Originally Posted by Amir So what, as a coach he can't say to come earlier? He has to abide by that? And I am sure PCB were like "hey start on August 20th!" I am sure Lawson had some say. Don't give me this bull on trying to blame in on PCB like usual.

I'm not blaming anyone; apparently that's your job. How old are you btw? How you ever had a job? Have you ever signed a contract? A contact stipulates the time frame involved and it is binding. The employers decide that time frame and the employee abides by it. For example, say you sign a contract to work at a management company which stipulates that you begin your job on the 1st of August. How stupid would you look if you decided to show up on July 31st? No one is prepared for your arrival; your accesses wouldn't have been set up; your group would be caught off guard; you would be throwing everyone off.

In this particular case the time-frame begins on August 20th and Lawson is abiding by it. If the PCB thought it necessary to have Lawson here earlier then they would have stipulated so. Apparently they don't and that's that. End of case.

[Indieview]

After the series victory by India (Without Head Coach) .... Guess this is not a serious issue at all considering the role of Coach in Cricket ... I think given 20 days or 30 days extra will not matter much ... He surely needs minimum 3 months to under stand the Team balance ..

[faizpak]

(Dawn)

14 August 2007

LAHORE — Former Test captain Intikhab Alam, while supporting the decision to drop top batsman Mohammad Yousuf and veteran all-rounder Abdul Razzaq from the Pakistan team for the Twenty20 World Championship, has expressed concern over late arrival of new coach Geoff Lawson.

Intikhab is also critical of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) for threatening cricketers with bans for joining the Indian Cricket League (ICL).

Talking to newsmen here on Sunday, Intikhab said the Twenty20 cricket was more demanding and youngsters were the better choice instead of ageing Yousuf and Razzaq.

“The South Africans also gave rest to seasoned Jacques Kallis for the Twenty20 World Championship and I believe our national selectors took a right decision by dropping Yousuf and Razzaq,” Intikhab said.

“No doubt both are world-class players and they have done a lot for the country, but Twenty20 cricket requires alert fielding, good running between the wickets and line and length bowling to win matches,” he said.

Intikhab said that with the introduction of new rules of free hit for every no ball, the bowlers had to be extra careful as no team could bear the luxury.

The former skipper, however, avoided to predict chances of Pakistan’s victory in the World Championship, which is being held in South Africa from September 11 to 24.

“Let us hope for better results, but no doubt the boys have to work very hard to achieve a respectable place,” he said.

Intikhab expressed astonishment over the late arrival of Lawson, the former Australian Test bowler.

[karachiite]

I agree with Alam that the coach should have been here earlier. There's no point in blaming people about his late arrival but the point Alam makes about Lawson getting to know the players is a valid one.

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by karachiite I agree with Alam that the coach should have been here earlier. There's no point in blaming people about his late arrival but the point Alam makes about Lawson getting to know the players is a valid one.

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[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by Amir So what, as a coach he can't say to come earlier? He has to abide by that? And I am sure PCB were like "hey start on August 20th!" I am sure Lawson had some say. Don't give me this bull on trying to blame in on PCB like usual.

yes he has to. why would I start workign a week earlier than im supposed to. THis is a non-issuse i think. and even if someone is to be blamed, it is the PCB. they are the ones who offered him the contract.

[aussie-pak]

Originally Posted by karachiite I agree with Alam that the coach should have been here earlier. There's no point in blaming people about his late arrival but the point Alam makes about Lawson getting to know the players is a valid one.

oh c'mon mate..... ok ....lets put ur claims into ur shoes , after being successful at an interview and an the employer said to u ...u start on the 5th of X month.......WOULD U TURN UP TO WORK ....JUST NO NO UR CO-WORKERS BETTER?


i really doupt it...

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Sheikh I'm not blaming anyone; apparently that's your job. How old are you btw? How you ever had a job? Have you ever signed a contract? A contact stipulates the time frame involved and it is binding. The employers decide that time frame and the employee abides by it. For example, say you sign a contract to work at a management company which stipulates that you begin your job on the 1st of August. How stupid would you look if you decided to show up on July 31st? No one is prepared for your arrival; your accesses wouldn't have been set up; your group would be caught off guard; you would be throwing everyone off. In this particular case the time-frame begins on August 20th and Lawson is abiding by it. If the PCB thought it necessary to have Lawson here earlier then they would have stipulated so. Apparently they don't and that's that. End of case.

Thank you very much I have signed many contracts before. However not one that is for a position OF NATIONAL COACH. And I bet you haven't eitehr.

I get the whole time frame thing and I did before, you just wasted your time re-posting what I don't give a crap about. I already told you, this is a very prestigous position and one that media has eyes on. Lawson could have said he wanted to start earlier, PCB would have no issues with it. Hell, they would be delighted by the initiative shown by the man!

Do you see my point? Its not the time frame I don't get. Its the fact that Lawson didn't come earlier and he had a choice. Its a one in a million position. I am pretty sure the PCB were like "well you can start August 20th, we won't need you uptil then." (Considering they were looking for a coach for 3 months!).

[Amir]

Originally Posted by waqar_ahmad yes he has to. why would I start workign a week earlier than im supposed to. THis is a non-issuse i think. and even if someone is to be blamed, it is the PCB. they are the ones who offered him the contract.

However, how do you know they gave that date? How don't you know that Lawson told them that date?

Usually when you get hired they ask you "whens the soonest you can be available?"

I am not believing this crock about PCB and that they are the ones who set the date. For such a high position, I am sure Lawson had more than enough say.

And then the arguemnt "why would you come a week early?" Well, if I was national coach...I would come a week early. My job depends on my performance and to complete at maximum performance I would need to see my players know wouldn't I?

[Sheikh]

Originally Posted by Amir Thank you very much I have signed many contracts before. However not one that is for a position OF NATIONAL COACH. And I bet you haven't eitehr. I get the whole time frame thing and I did before, you just wasted your time re-posting what I don't give a crap about. I already told you, this is a very prestigous position and one that media has eyes on. Lawson could have said he wanted to start earlier, PCB would have no issues with it. Hell, they would be delighted by the initiative shown by the man! Do you see my point? Its not the time frame I don't get. Its the fact that Lawson didn't come earlier and he had a choice. Its a one in a million position. I am pretty sure the PCB were like "well you can start August 20th, we won't need you uptil then." (Considering they were looking for a coach for 3 months!).

Yes I see your point and I won't elaborate on the finality of a contract. But dude seriously, he's coming 3 weeks before the start of the tournament, and that was decided before the practice tourney was announced. Now if he was coming on September 1st which is just about 10 days before the start of the tourney then yes, perhaps there should be an initiative from both sides for an earlier arrival. But for me, 3 weeks is more than enough time for an event which no international team has any experience of. If you think 3 weeks isn't enough then that's your opinion but you shouldn't be slating Lawson for that; both parties are equally liable.

[waqar_ahmad]

Originally Posted by Amir However, how do you know they gave that date? How don't you know that Lawson told them that date? Usually when you get hired they ask you "whens the soonest you can be available?" I am not believing this crock about PCB and that they are the ones who set the date. For such a high position, I am sure Lawson had more than enough say. And then the arguemnt "why would you come a week early?" Well, if I was national coach...I would come a week early. My job depends on my performance and to complete at maximum performance I would need to see my players know wouldn't I?

like i said before, this is a non-issue for me. what does it matter who gave the date. if i apply for a job, and they ask me when i want to start, i wil give a date i like, unless they make a strong objection to it.

the point is that the date is in the contract, and thats when the coach has to arrive.

[12thMan]

I think Alam was just saying that Lawson should already be here. He is not blaming him or blaming PCB for not calling him earlier. It is not a big issue. What if Lawson has other commitments and he cannot leave before they are finished and PCB would have known about it before he was confirmed. Maybe PCB didn't want Lawson there so they can do the training, filtering, squad etc themselves.

[Muzy]

someone needs to zip alam's mouth, that husky voice annoys me, i SO hope he aint gona be commentating on GEO for the 20-20WC!!

it doesn't matter if the coach is here or not, i mean look at INDIA they are doing fine without one, dont know what the fuss is about

[Amir]

Originally Posted by Sheikh Yes I see your point and I won't elaborate on the finality of a contract. But dude seriously, he's coming 3 weeks before the start of the tournament, and that was decided before the practice tourney was announced. Now if he was coming on September 1st which is just about 10 days before the start of the tourney then yes, perhaps there should be an initiative from both sides for an earlier arrival. But for me, 3 weeks is more than enough time for an event which no international team has any experience of. If you think 3 weeks isn't enough then that's your opinion but you shouldn't be slating Lawson for that; both parties are equally liable.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree. You think 3 weeks is enough I don't feel it is. The coach should be there prior to selecting the team because the coach is the one working with these players and his say is valued.

Anyways best of luck to Lawson!

[Zechariah]

The only people who should be getting annoyed are the players and the PCB and they are not annoyed at all.

Uncle Alam needs to watch more TV and not pass such comments, mind your own business. The PCB is not stupid that they dont know why is coming that late. PLus 3 weeks is enough time, heck in soccer new managers start the next day and cricket coaches have a much much smaller role than the soccer coaches to play.

[OZGOD]

I don't think Henry's concerned about Alam or his agenda.