Time to get rid of the overated Imran Nazir?

[inzibhai]

most overhype player in the entire world...neve thought this guy is any special...i have no idea why is this guy in our team....how does he make it?

when was the last time he scored runs in an international match?please someone help me with ...how long be4 we get rid of this over rated guy?

[musti]

when he's not in the team, everyone wants him back.

when he's in and doesnt perform in a few matches we all want him out...

and btw he has been scoring in the odi's we played earlier this year

[Oxy]

How come no 'Bring back Imran Farhat Thread'

Enough bakwas spouted tonight - Farhat would be the icing on the cake...

[musti]

it takes 2 innings of 20/20 cricket for people to start wanting players out of the team...

that is ridiculous

[Oxy]

Originally Posted by musti it takes 2 innings of 20/20 cricket for people to start wanting players out of the team... that is ridiculous

I agree - it normally just takes 5 mins of an inngs.

Although Butt was NEVER 20-20 material!

[Zechariah]

Joker of the day is BUTT

[musti]

hafeez needs to be in for butt...

other then that we dont need any changes. I would say fawad alam should come in for misbah...but the chap proved himself out there tonight.

Butt just doesnt look the part...

[Neighbourhood policewala]

Sadly today's awful shot showed how with Imran you keep him quiet for one over and the next over he will play a disgusting shot and be out.....I cannot understand the theory behind not playing Hafeez in this form of the game, he's an inproved batsman, decent bowler and good fielder.

In any case we need to get our act sorted as I think we have the group of death!

[Amir]

Nazir is not the culprit to me, Butt is. He just seem to struggle and doesnt attack the ball. Meanwhile Nazir just seemed out of place today. He was trying too hard to score too fast. He should have just batted his normal batting style and the runs would have come fast (rather than him opening up every second ball).

[161]

Originally Posted by Oxy How come no 'Bring back Imran Farhat Thread' Enough bakwas spouted tonight - Farhat would be the icing on the cake...

well now that u mention it

[inzibhai]

Please someone remind me when was the last time he scored in intl match? forget about 20/20....i've no idea why this guy is in the team for so long without scoring runs? actually when was the last time he score into a double digit? can someone please check..

[12thMan]

array yaar his 160 against Zim last WC

[SUPERSAMI]

Bring back Mudassar Nazar!

[Noddy]

I enjoy these threads...

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by musti it takes 2 innings of 20/20 cricket for people to start wanting players out of the team... that is ridiculous

its the manner he played though. every ball was a slog ffs. every ball he faced it looked like he was trying to get himself out. at least butt was playing proper cricket shots. hafeez should replace one of these clowns against sri lanka

[jackal786]

I think Nazir is gully slogger. You cannot really pin your hopes on such a slogger. Butt is also woefully inadequate someone who don't have the range of shots to dictate terms to bowlers. You need proper cricketers up the order. You can accelerate even at the death if you have wickets in hand if the conditions are difficult in the beginning. Compare Hayden, Gilchrist, Ricky Ponting with Nazir, Butt, Kamran it is absolutely no match or even compare them with Jayasuriya, Tharanga, Sangakkara. Great players. This is joke of a top order.

[Usman Chadda]

Nazir needs to go back to playing normally. Right now he is just trying to hit the ball too hard and thinking of the ball sailing over the fence rather than concentrating on hitting the ball cleanly. The guy plays very well when he is just playing normally, without any intention of slogging every ball. The bad balls will come, he just needs to wait

[Cryin Out Loud]

He's not very good.

[musti]

when he played that innings against south africa on his comeback...nobody was calling him a slogger then.

he did get out in a terrible way...he tries to hit the ball too hard sometimes...but its better than doing nothing... e.g salman butt

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by musti when he played that innings against south africa on his comeback...nobody was calling him a slogger then. he did get out in a terrible way...he tries to hit the ball too hard sometimes...but its better than doing nothing... e.g salman butt

no, its not. Throwing one's wicket away cheaply is a bigger crime than eating up balls

[MIG]

To his credit - he did try to get things moving ( in his own simplistic way) But I am sure bowlers can see him coming from a mile !

Also, do we need 2 Afridi type players?

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by indiafan no, its not. Throwing one's wicket away cheaply is a bigger crime than eating up balls

Yep. Getting out with a SR of 85+ is so much worse than eating up balls and increasing the required run-rate. Nazir's dismissal did not cost us anything, only thing we missed was a blazing start. But you dont need a blazing start for chasing 141 einstein

Butt's knock nailed it for Pakistan. He wasted balls, didnt even look to slog. The guy needs to be dropped ASAP!

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by Usman Sahib Yep. Getting out with a SR of 85+ is so much worse than eating up balls and increasing the required run-rate. Nazir's dismissal did not cost us anything, only thing we missed was a blazing start. But you dont need a blazing start for chasing 141 einstein Butt's knock nailed it for Pakistan. He wasted balls, didnt even look to slog. The guy needs to be dropped ASAP!

Nazir's wicket gave India the momentum so cost you more. If he had stayed for a few balls, India would have been downcast. His and Akmal's dismissals prevented Younis Khan from playing his natural game. Still think his dismissal did not cost the team anything?

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by indiafan Nazir's wicket gave India the momentum so cost you more. If he had stayed for a few balls, India would have been downcast. His and Akmal's dismissals prevented Younis Khan from playing his natural game. Still think his dismissal did not cost the team anything?

Akmal played his natural game mate. We were 30/1 in the 4th over. Salman's ball wasting resulted in us making only 12 runs in the next 3 overs. I repeat, as much as Nazir played like a goofus, I cant blame him for our defeat. The momentum was with Pakistan when Akmal hit a six and a four off RP Singh off the 4th over. After that Butt sahib took most of the strike and wasted balls, handing the momentum back to India

[Indiafan]

Originally Posted by Usman Sahib Akmal played his natural game mate. We were 30/1 in the 4th over. Salman's ball wasting resulted in us making only 12 runs in the next 3 overs. I repeat, as much as Nazir played like a goofus, I cant blame him for our defeat. The momentum was with Pakistan when Akmal hit a six and a four off RP Singh off the 4th over. After that Butt sahib took most of the strike and wasted balls, handing the momentum back to India

the frusturating thing is Nazir is a much more talented batsman than Butt and he throws it all away. It is a crime I tell you

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by indiafan the frusturating thing is Nazir is a much more talented batsman than Butt and he throws it all away. It is a crime I tell you

I agree. The guy is not just a slogger as he is making himself out to be. Graham Gooch was commentating and he said exactly the same thing. So much talent, so little utilization. Why do you want to hit every ball out of the ground?!

[Indiafan]

Maybe he had instructions to have a go so that the pressure was off from the rest of the innings but the execution was terrible.

[jusarrived]

Nazir has to play an important role if pakistan has to do well here.....he my not be sound technically ,but u need these kind of players in T20 format.give him complete freedom to go after the bowling , even if he comes off in 2-3 matches , pak are certain to win those .

I find pak's lower middle order pretty weak ......except afridi there seems to be no one who can get take 15-20 runs of over .......where are all the big hitters ?

& I don understand why hafeez was droped ? that paul adams type pace bowler will get killed on less helpful pitches .

[harrybeg]

Imran naair is an excellent player in 50 overs match but not 20/20 !

[iZeeshan]

Nazir has a lot of talent in general and is able to play this game. Someone, maybe, just maybe OUR COACH can explain it to him that he needs to play his natural game???...

[Muddaser]

Why have talent if you dont have a brain to use it.

Waste of time.

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by Muddaser Why have talent if you dont have a brain to use it. Waste of time.

Unfortuanetly we are stuck with two extremely hopeless openers in this tournament. One who has talent but no brain. One who has a brain but doesnt have the talent

[PlanetPakistan]

Nazir has been disappointing in the 1st 2 games but i think he will come good! He has the right approach for a 20-20 game.

Originally Posted by jusarrived Nazir has to play an important role if pakistan has to do well here.....he my not be sound technically ,but u need these kind of players in T20 format.give him complete freedom to go after the bowling , even if he comes off in 2-3 matches , pak are certain to win those . I find pak's lower middle order pretty weak ......except afridi there seems to be no one who can get take 15-20 runs of over .......where are all the big hitters ? & I don understand why hafeez was droped ? that paul adams type pace bowler will get killed on less helpful pitches .

the paul adams type bowler is actually an all rounder.

[Muddaser]

Originally Posted by Usman Sahib Unfortuanetly we are stuck with two extremely hopeless openers in this tournament. One who has talent but no brain. One who has a brain but doesnt have the talent

What is talent?

Pre meditated Cross bat shots?

Salman has talent but not for this format.

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by Usman Sahib One who has talent but no brain. One who has a brain but doesnt have the talent

Butt is quite talented and would be my 1st choice for the test and the ODI team but isn't suited for this version of the game.

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by Muddaser Salman has talent but not for this format.

Thus he shouldnt be anywhere near the Twenty20 team. I am sick of watching this guy single-handedly hand the game to the opposition every time he bats

[zam]

he can not play swing or seam, and does not have the technique of an opener but he should be opening with afridi instead of salman and fawwad should be there in the middle. But this is his last outing that's for sure.

[Rana]

Imran Nazir and Farhat are simply not international cricketeters, there batting is not what you would expect from good players!

[MIG]

Originally Posted by Usman Sahib Unfortuanetly we are stuck with two extremely hopeless openers in this tournament. One who has talent but no brain. One who has a brain but doesnt have the talent

POTW for me.

[MIG]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan Butt is quite talented and would be my 1st choice for the test and the ODI team but isn't suited for this version of the game.

Only problem is that he can speak English - and in todays world, that seems more important than anything.

[king_of_kings_ali]

Originally Posted by inzibhai most overhype player in the entire world...neve thought this guy is any special...i have no idea why is this guy in our team....how does he make it? when was the last time he scored runs in an international match?please someone help me with ...how long be4 we get rid of this over rated guy?

Give it a rest, why dont you just get of their backs. At least he tried to get Pakistan of to a flyer unlike butt, 2 innings and he should be out the team...Glad your not a selector mate

[Rana]

Our next few games are gonna be on flat trackers, we need great starts against good teams, therefore if Imran Nazir is staying, then he better get his act together because pakistan will need him at the Bull-ring!

[midwicket]

I don't like the way he plays, too many inside out shots. Agree with comment above, one Afridi type player is enough

[pak4life]

nazir will play one good innings from ten his last was against zimbabwe and the one before against SA. what really annoys me there dosnt seem to be any plan to his game just close your eyes and hope for the best.

[Mohsin]

Originally Posted by pak4life nazir will play one good innings from ten his last was against zimbabwe and the one before against SA. what really annoys me there dosnt seem to be any plan to his game just close your eyes and hope for the best.

Exactly, that just what i was thinking yesterday. The Pak management should lock him in a room and show him Sanath's innings against Kenya and New Zealand.

[jackal786]

Originally Posted by Mohsin_Pak786 Exactly, that just what i was thinking yesterday. The Pak management should lock him in a room and show him Sanath's innings against Kenya and New Zealand.

Look at Mahela 34 runs in 17 balls all perfect cricketing shots with great timing and great placement. Nothing can match that. No brutal hitting can match that. That is why he has the highest strike rate in 20/20 matches more than any slogger.

[W63L35]

we can't kick Imran out right now. We need him to score a meaningless 100 vs Bangladesh in super-8......like the one he did vs Zim in WI!!

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by W63L35 we can't kick Imran out right now. We need him to score a meaningless 100 vs Bangladesh in super-8......like the one he did vs Zim in WI!!

You never know with Bangladesh. A century against them might turn out to be crucial at the end of the day!

[king_of_kings_ali]

Originally Posted by Usman Sahib You never know with Bangladesh. A century against them ight turn out to be crucial at the end of the day!

I agree in the super eights if he scores anything close to a hundred, il take it.

[hellopak]

I think Hafeez or Akmal and Nazir pair will serve Pakistan best. Since Butt slow pace could put extra pressure on Nazir to hit. If runs come from both side then batsmen have the luxary to leave good balls and hit bad balls, but if you have a partner on other hand, who plays half of the balls and play them with extreme care and don't score at a rapid rate, then you goes after everything to accelerate run rate and it could cost you wicket.

I think thats what happening agaist Nazir. SO his pair with Hafeez or Akmal will keep strike rotating and runs coming from both ends so he will not feel pressure, and could get set and hit the ball on merit.

[Amjid Javed]

nazir from ball one was trying to slog everything thru the legside whilst out in middle. Like M.I.G said do we need to players like this in team when we have afridi?

personally ive never rated the guy and never will.he should be dropped.

[Phuzz]

Nazir should not have even been picked for this tournament, we'd be better off opening with Hafeez and Butt in the next game.

[jackal786]

If i were opposition i would be really happy he is playing. He lives more dangerously than Afridi from ball one.

[midwicket]

General point. It's only 20 overs. Why do you need professional openers, who after all are used to seeing off the new ball and setting up a base. No time for that in 20 overs. I say ditch the openers.

[KB]

He was trying to hit the ball far too hard - as many of the Pakistani batsmen were.

As Mahela Jayawardene said today at the toss, it still a case of playing good cricket shots, rather than just slogging in thoughtless fashion.

[Waseem]

Jayawardene is a prime example, he has the best strike in International 20/20 (around 200) and none of his shots looked like even close to being slogs. Jayasuriya has been successful and look at his shots, full of aggression but bowl goes to all part of ground depending on where the ball is bowled.

Watching Imran Nazir was embarrassing and i am sure he can do better than that, i have seen him playing good innings so capability is not the problem, it's just his mentality that every ball has to go for a SIX no matter where ball is pitched.

[Raz]

Yes lets do just that. Imran Nazir, rated as being one of the best 20/20 batsmen in Pakistan and after two failures (one of which was unlucky against Scotland) lets discard him. Over the top reaction and victimising Nazir for what was a collective loss and where more than one batsman failed in my opinion is unwarranted. I ask, had Pakistan won the bowl out, would so many be calling for his head? I very much doubt it.

I admit he was going too hard at the ball and for someone who is as a good a timer as he is, he needn't do that especially every ball, but for me remains one of the first names on the list for any 20/20 side that Pakistan field.

[12thMan]

After 3 months of practice this team was picked and calls for drops are coming then the whole 3 month excercise was a joke/useless or selectors didn't pick the right team. The practice matches were all wrong to begin with. You don't divide the bowlers and batsmen. Give a team target to score or defend/chase in 5, 10, 15 and 20 overs against the full bowling attack. All these combination of overs can come into play. But these practice mathces are still just close to net practice in known conditions and non-match conditions. But this Pak A & B or Bakri and Machli teams where team is divided into two was not the right way to go

[Imy]

Raz its not about getting out its how you get out I am sure you would agree that he was plying like a reatrd in the game with no plan if he does that again then he is a liability as we are playing 10 against 11

[Raz]

Originally Posted by Imy Raz its not about getting out its how you get out I am sure you would agree that he was plying like a reatrd in the game with no plan if he does that again then he is a liability as we are playing 10 against 11

Well I have already acknowledged that there was a serious flaw with the way he was playing, a method, which on that wicket was not going to ahieve much success.

However for me it seems like an over the top reaction from certain people to drop him just because of that. You need to point out his mistake and most importantly as fans instill confidence in such a player and provide him with the backing that could well spur him onto success.

[Rana]

Butt and Hafiz should openi nthe next game and play it as if it were a tape bal match! thats the only way the pakistani batting will come to the party!s

[Saqlain_doosra]

Originally Posted by MIG Only problem is that he can speak English - and in todays world, that seems more important than anything.

You mean "I buck my team".

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by Rana Butt and Hafiz should openi nthe next game and play it as if it were a tape bal match! thats the only way the pakistani batting will come to the party!s

If Butt opens we are guaranteed to lose. He doesnt deserve another chance. SR of 56.5 and 64 are pathetic in ODI Cricket, they are criminal in Twenty20s!

[Saqlain_doosra]

Originally Posted by Usman Sahib If Butt opens we are guaranteed to lose. He doesnt deserve another chance. SR of 56.5 and 64 are pathetic in ODI Cricket, they are criminal in Twenty20s!

Hafeez and Nazir should open and akmal given chance at No.3. Butt is better ODI and Test player.

[Showman]

Yes he has had a couple bad games. But we should stick with him as our opener because on his day, he is as dangerous as any player. Plus do we really have to go back to old ways and switch openers after 1 or 2 failures?

Next thing you know, people will be calling for the return of Imran Farhat!

[king_of_kings_ali]

Originally Posted by Showman Yes he has had a couple bad games. But we should stick with him as our opener because on his day, he is as dangerous as any player. Plus do we really have to go back to old ways and switch openers after 1 or 2 failures? Next thing you know, people will be calling for the return of Imran Farhat!

lol. How man times did virenda sewhag fail? india stuck with him and it has proven to be a blessing to them in the past.

Let him keep playing, so he will have more match practice and hopefully like sewhag he can hit the stumps.

[Rana]

Why cant akmal and afridi open?

[Boundary View]

He is not an international player sadly. Neither is Sohail Tanveer.

[Cricket Fan]

Nazir can make runs fast or get out. Hafeez CAN NOT make runs fast and can still get out after wasting 10 or 12 overs. which one is better?? it could go either way. I say we have afridi open in t20

[salman24]

As this team hs no Razzaq in it
I don't think we can afford to drop Nazir, we need as man big hitters as possible
Afridi cannot bear the burden alone
Therefore, under the circumstances Nazir can't be dropped

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by Boundary View He is not an international player sadly. Neither is Sohail Tanveer.

We are not talking about Sohail Tanveer in this thread. If you have a problem with him, open a new thread and rant over there

[Usman Chadda]

If I was Shoaib Malik I would talk some sense into this guy. Needlessly slogging across the line doesn't work every time, hitting straight is the best option. So I would want the coach/captain to tell him that even if he wants to hit, hit straight and aim for the long-on or the long-off boundary

[Bobaran]

The problem is we can't drop him. He can be as explosive as Afridi when he gets going.

And it's not like Nazir had a choice, he had to make up for butt going at 2 runs an over, which adds alot of pressure.....

[Amjid Javed]

nazir once again flops. majorly over-rated player who is a tried and tested failure.

[inzibhai]

an overrated player proved it yet again...this guy can not play ......time to drop him and give someone else a chance.....i say play Hafeez at opening and also go with Yasir Arfat....both Hafeez and Arfat can not do any worse than our great opening batsmen ....


someone please remind me the last time this guy score some runs in intl match? please use some sense and dont tell me in wc07 against zim......come on some one help me please..

[Usman Chadda]

Originally Posted by inzibhai an overrated player proved it yet again...this guy can not play ......time to drop him and give someone else a chance.....i say play Hafeez at opening and also go with Yasir Arfat....both Hafeez and Arfat can not do any worse than our great opening batsmen .... someone please remind me the last time this guy score some runs in intl match? please use some sense and dont tell me in wc07 against zim......come on some one help me please..

Lets be fair here. That was an amazing slower ball by Vaas, would have outfoxed most of the batsmen out there. One good thing yesterday was that he wasn't trying to slog ANY delivery. The six he hit wasnt a slog either!