Disappointed in Malik today [Merged]

[kablooee87]

I've been one of his most avid fans on this board. But it has to be said, his captaincy at the end of the SA innings was deplorable. He's an intelligent guy and hopefully will learn from this but everybody and their uncle knew he was going about things in the wrong way.

[ebikhan]

This is just first game. He has proved himself well in T20. So I dont think we should not be harsh on him, based on 1-session performance.

[Pathan007]

can u elaborate please as to what exactly happened? bcz i just woke up and didn't c.

[kablooee87]

Originally Posted by Pathan007 can u elaborate please as to what exactly happened? bcz i just woke up and didn't c.

AB decided to totally farm the strike and refused singles. Malik had most fielders on the boundaries and allowed AB to get doubles constantly and then snag singles near the end of the overs. It went on for quite some time.

[Asim2Good]

Originally Posted by Pathan007 can u elaborate please as to what exactly happened? bcz i just woke up and didn't c.

I didn't see match, but followed it on cricinfo.
fans are angry as AB de Villiers was taking singles on 5th of 6th ball of evey over for like 6-7overs

[kablooee87]

Originally Posted by Asim2Good I didn't see match, but followed it on cricinfo. fans are angry as AB de Villiers was taking singles on 5th of 6th ball of evey over for like 6-7overs

not just that. But he was regularly sneaking doubles. The partnership with Steyn went on at over a run a ball for more than 30 runs.

[Pathan007]

well than that indeed was very sad piece of captaincy. bcz he's much smarter than that. hopefully he learns quickly and doesn't allow same situation arise again.

[ebikhan]

I think SA players have also come here to play cricket.Credit must be given to Pak team for taking 7 wickets for 98 runs.

[Islamabadi]

his first game...leave him alone...i'm more disappointed in younis khan, he didn't give any advice to malik

[ebikhan]

Originally Posted by Islamabadi his first game...leave him alone...i'm more disappointed in younis khan, he didn't give any advice to malik

Thats a good point.

[ebikhan]

I wonder if Smith should be criticized for placing fielders on boundary.

[MIG]

He is on the attack now ( atleast his team is ) - seems that he wants to take the attack back to SA - shades of Australia perhaps (Lawsons influence?)

[ebikhan]

Originally Posted by MIG He is on the attack now ( atleast his team is ) - seems that he wants to take the attack back to SA - shades of Australia perhaps (Lawsons influence?)

I didn't get whom you are referring to.

[deviously~fading~away]

Originally Posted by Islamabadi his first game...leave him alone...i'm more disappointed in younis khan, he didn't give any advice to malik

when afridi gives advice to malik, people here say that afridi is trying to act like the captain? anyway Malik lost the plot at the end, why he brought gul so late was a mystery to me (his yorkers were perfect for the tail-enders). There was no point in having asif since he barely bowls a yorker & edges were not traveling to wk or slips on this wicket

[the true passionist]

Malik has not been the best of captains in the first two days of his test captaincy but i think he will learn.

[PlanetPakistan]

To be honest he has been poor through out. First the strategy to prepare such a pitch was bad, the bowling changes on day 1 were not good and off course the strategy and the end of SA's innings was also poor.

Having said that he has done an excellent job in 20/20 and ODIs so hopefully it's just a question of time before he adapts to the more grueling form of the game.

[Zechariah]

A successful person is he who learns from his mistakes, hopefully this doesnt become a Malik bashing thread, and i know Malik will learn.

[jusarrived]

Frankly , I thot his captaincy even in T20 was ordinary......I always believed , Pakistan would do well under him as he seemed like an intelligent cricketer.....but haven't seen anything imaginative from him up till now.....but need have patience with him ...a couple of good results might give him confidence to take decisions .

[hellopak]

We shouldn't forget that he is leading a depleted side that is missing Inzi, MoYo, Razzaq, Afridi and Akhtar.

Just imagine if he had the services of these fours in the team instead of:
Inzi=Faisal, MoYo=Misbah, Afridi=Hafeez/Rehman, Akhtar=Gul/Asif

[hellopak]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan To be honest he has been poor through out. First the strategy to prepare such a pitch was bad, the bowling changes on day 1 were not good and off course the strategy and the end of SA's innings was also poor. Having said that he has done an excellent job in 20/20 and ODIs so hopefully it's just a question of time before he adapts to the more grueling form of the game.

Do you understand cricket or just draw your conclusions based on statistics from the net?

[hellopak]

Originally Posted by Zechariah A successful person is he who learns from his mistakes, hopefully this doesnt become a Malik bashing thread, and i know Malik will learn.

Well said.

[hellopak]

Pakistan attempt to accommodate Butt in the side is costing them. First of all, they should have inform Yasir in the side ahead of Butt. Similarly if they are playing two specialist spinners in Rehamn and Kaneria; then there is no point bringing in an other alrounder in Hafeez in addition to Malik in the side. So they should have included Khuram Manzoor.

Also they saw Tanvir exceptional performance against left hand batsmen; and knowing that SA is playing 3-4 left hand batsmen; then Pakistan could have used the alround skills of Tanvir in this match.

1. Yasir
2. Khuram
3. Younis
4. Misbah
5. faisal
6. Malik
7. Akmal
8. Tanvir
9. Rehman
10. Gul/Asif
11. Kaneria

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by hellopak Do you understand cricket or just draw your conclusions based on statistics from the net?

Where did i use stats?

[hellopak]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan Where did i use stats?

Declaring that he did an excellent job in ODI and 2020; and feeling disappionted with his performance in this match.

I think he is learning and he is an intelligent person. First in ODI and Twenty20 matches, he got the right combination of players and they played their strengths. While here, first they are coming into test macthes after long lay off from this form of the game, plus every captain build patnership with their key players especially bowlers, and then they knew when to go to that bowler.

Right now he is going to Asif based on his reputation, and I am pretty sure it wouldnt be long before every one in pakistan cricket would realize that Gul is their premier bowler in all form and conditions.

So Malik captaincy is same in all form of the game; the only difference is pitch (which is PCB decision not a new captain) and resources on hand.

[rahulrulezz]

from 300-3 to 450 allout....i think he did fairly well...he shud get credit for getting big southafrican batting out quickly on rhw 2nd day...i mean from 300-3 u expect score to be 600 something...but 450 is stilll not bad on this dead wicket

[Muzy]

always have faith in malik sahb - he does produce results, this is his first test and i am very pleased to see him learning

no one can get it right the first time, and as waqar was sayin when he was made captain he had like 6-7 ex captains in the team already giving him advice whereas malik doesnt really have anyone to turn to,

this is where malik should pick up on, he needs to show that all players input into the test team as well as the ODI team should be valued, captain produces results players provide the assistance to ideas

goodluck to him for the remainder of the days, hope he can bat well out tommorow and score something decent - we all know malik is a keen learner and is hunger for success his time will come too inshallah

[cricket_crazy]

Malik wasn't even a regular in the test side, so of course he needs to improve his understanding of test matches. If you were expecting him to be Steve Waugh, then you should be disappointed in yourself.

He is an intelligent guy and would do good, but he will take time to improve as a test captain. Sadly, the timing for him becoming the captain when we have important series of Australia and India coming up means that if Pakistan does badly in the second and third test as well, he would probably be sacked.

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by hellopak Declaring that he did an excellent job in ODI and 2020; and feeling disappionted with his performance in this match. I think he is learning and he is an intelligent person. First in ODI and Twenty20 matches, he got the right combination of players and they played their strengths. While here, first they are coming into test macthes after long lay off from this form of the game, plus every captain build patnership with their key players especially bowlers, and then they knew when to go to that bowler. Right now he is going to Asif based on his reputation, and I am pretty sure it wouldnt be long before every one in pakistan cricket would realize that Gul is their premier bowler in all form and conditions. So Malik captaincy is same in all form of the game; the only difference is pitch (which is PCB decision not a new captain) and resources on hand.

In the T20 his strategy in the field was almost always spot on. The tactic to bowl Tanveer at the start, Gul at the end and the spinners from 6 to 12 overs mark made sense even before he actually made those moves.Compare that to the bowling changes he made in this test where he looked out of place and looked confused through out the S African innings.

Secondly if you read his comments before the test match it was quite clear that Malik himself wanted slow spinning surface.

[daddy]

1. he is playing with a depleted side
2. he is learning
3. this test match itself isn't over, let alone the two match series.
wait till he has captained for 15-20 tests.

[kablooee87]

Originally Posted by daddy 1. he is playing with a depleted side 2. he is learning 3. this test match itself isn't over, let alone the two match series. wait till he has captained for 15-20 tests.

I never said he's a crappy captain in general. I just said I was disappointed in the way he handled his team on that day.

[Afridi_Fan]

I would have gone out to bat today with a positive intent and take on Paul Harris,For God sake he is Harris not Murali or Warne not even Bhagi and we are playing him like,well like he is some world beater.


So go out their and play some shorts,I wont mind if they get out while being positive but playing like this will carry us no where excpet 190 all out

[iZeeshan]

He's captain material, first of all.

Second up, its the kid's first game! He still has to learn strategies of the game and everything.

[Afridi_Fan]

Well he is not a bad captain at all,he attacked when he thought he shud,ever seen Inzy with so many guys in the slip cordon?

Ok he wasnt too smart when AB was batting with the tailenders and he didnt brought the fielders when after 4 deliveries were bowled,And yeah he is just too slow with the bat as yet who knows what will he come up with today while batting but i will love to see him attack paul harris

[jackal786]

Standing there for 20 overs and keeping composure is one thing. Standing there for more than 120 overs and trying to retain the same intensity is different thing. But he will soon learn how to create opportunities by smart field setting.

[Asim2Good]

now Malik's honeymoon period on PP officially finished. Sack him

[Afridi_Fan]

Originally Posted by Asim2Good now Malik's honeymoon period on PP officially finished. Sack him

LoLz

[PlanetPakistan]

Not happy at his captaincy again e.g after tea the only way for PAK to get back in to the game was to take wickets yet for the new batsman(Kallis) he only had 2 fielders around the bat.

[deviously~fading~away]

The fielding placements after tea were quite poor from Malik. Spinners barely had any close in fielders to put pressure on SA batsman who are quite happy to take singles with the odd boundary till mid-lunch tommorow & than send Pakistan in.

[Oval]

And the crazy thing is, instead of hoping our captain can lead frmm the front in the batting stakes, he has to bat at number seven!!

Our captain, who is in form, has to bat at 'effin seven! When a man who was unfit 7 days agao gets to bat at 4, a proven hopeless case gets to open the innings, and Mr you-know-who can bat at 5 so that get his 'effin day of glory!!!!!!

Bah!

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by Oval And the crazy thing is, instead of hoping our captain can lead frmm the front in the batting stakes, he has to bat at number seven!! Our captain, who is in form, has to bat at 'effin seven! When a man who was unfit 7 days agao gets to bat at 4, a proven hopeless case gets to open the innings, and Mr you-know-who can bat at 5 so that get his 'effin day of glory!!!!!! Bah!

I wonder what the reaction would have been if Malik had come in ahead of Yousuf!

[Oval]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan I wonder what the reaction would have been if Malik had come in ahead of Yousuf!

There'd have been riots in the streets of Raiwind and Dewsbury!

[muhammad saad]

First you select a cricketer who is not worthy enough of playing test cricket ,secondly you made him a captain of team ,so why should we are blaming him?

[Wasim_Waqar]

Agree with muhammad I'm afraid.

[Saj]

Originally Posted by Oval And the crazy thing is, instead of hoping our captain can lead frmm the front in the batting stakes, he has to bat at number seven!! Our captain, who is in form, has to bat at 'effin seven! When a man who was unfit 7 days agao gets to bat at 4, a proven hopeless case gets to open the innings, and Mr you-know-who can bat at 5 so that get his 'effin day of glory!!!!!! Bah!

He's the skipper, he should have the authority and the bottle to bat at any position he wanted to. If he wanted to come in at 4, he should have done that.

[deviously~fading~away]

Originally Posted by Saj He's the skipper, he should have the authority and the bottle to bat at any position he wanted to. If he wanted to come in at 4, he should have done that.

Maybe Malik doesn't like to show authority in front of Moyo, younis & Inzi? Maybe he is just too good of a guy. Which ofcourse will hurt him in the future if he doesn't change his attitude. A captain doesn't come to bat at no 6 or 7 in test matches, the faster Malik understands this the better. And his vc doesn't really help his cause either.

[Muzy]

well atleast he's not loosing with his hands raised up (unlike previously in the past we could tell when the players had admitted to defeat early on and played pathetically), malik is always known to put up a fight even if we loose - he will know and adapt to the situations more with experience and playing regularly in test matches

yes maybe he wasn't cut out for tests before, but it's not like he's failed in every test match hes played, he's still learning and right now what he needs is support, support from the players - they should use their initiative and give their input/say/advice to the captain before captain makes a decision support from his fans to believe in him and that he will improve as he progresses in this test format

what i dont understan is why people underestimate malik by saying that he cannot captain properly with the likes of the seniors and them being his brothers - complete crapadi
he knows and any captain will know being a captain aint an easy job, i still believe that if he is supported more by his players he will become more confident in being a captain - a good captain can only be successful if he knows what the situation requires from him, his bowlers/batsmen/fielders - and its not a one man show - its a TEAM game

[Raz]

Originally Posted by Muzy well atleast he's not loosing with his hands raised up (unlike previously in the past we could tell when the players had admitted to defeat early on and played pathetically), malik is always known to put up a fight even if we loose - he will know and adapt to the situations more with experience and playing regularly in test matches yes maybe he wasn't cut out for tests before, but it's not like he's failed in every test match hes played, he's still learning and right now what he needs is support, support from the players - they should use their initiative and give their input/say/advice to the captain before captain makes a decision support from his fans to believe in him and that he will improve as he progresses in this test format what i dont understan is why people underestimate malik by saying that he cannot captain properly with the likes of the seniors and them being his brothers - complete crapadi he knows and any captain will know being a captain aint an easy job, i still believe that if he is supported more by his players he will become more confident in being a captain - a good captain can only be successful if he knows what the situation requires from him, his bowlers/batsmen/fielders - and its not a one man show - its a TEAM game

I believe he is missing Afridi in the team as an unofficial vice captain. Butt as we know doesn't do jack in the field, whereas Afridi always is motivating everyone as well talking to Malik and discussing aspects of the game.

As you have said Malik is highly inexperienced and Afridi is perhaps the only one he feels comfortable approaching or comfortably approached from in the field.

[12thMan]

I believe he is missing Afridi in the team as an unofficial vice captain...

I think he is missing him more as a bowler who can also bat (a little) so there can be another fast bowler in the team. The mistake of 4 bowlers which some people here pointed out befroe the first test started should have been rectified in the 2nd test.

I do think that him not bowling Rehman more in first innings and not having close fielders in second innings was a mistake. But before that going in with 2 seamers was a bigger mistake made by someone (this and last test). The team will talk about it tonight and maybe they have a plan tomorrow to save the match. But saving the match does mean the batsmen have to perform and who knows if Asif can bowl tomorrow or not. They need to use this as a learning thing and be positive because such things will happen again so be prepared

[161]

he's a sharp guy ... just making some beginners mistakes .. no big deal.

[the Great Khan]

Originally Posted by Oval There'd have been riots in the streets of Raiwind and Dewsbury!

haan haan, bring the islam card in as usual..what has malik done?? diddly squat!!..he has shown himslef to be mentally weak, without inspiration and a follower rather than a leader!!..i could be proven wrong, but without yusuf our batting isnt even in the class of the windies!!...

enough of the tableegh jibes,..its this tableegh team that kept us in the top three with players like khalil for God sake!!..Malik needs to step up and inspire..he seems mentally weak..a paper captain at the moment!!

[deviously~fading~away]

Originally Posted by 12thMan I think he is missing him more as a bowler who can also bat (a little) so there can be another fast bowler in the team. The mistake of 4 bowlers which some people here pointed out befroe the first test started should have been rectified in the 2nd test. I do think that him not bowling Rehman more in first innings and not having close fielders in second innings was a mistake. But before that going in with 2 seamers was a bigger mistake made by someone (this and last test). The team will talk about it tonight and maybe they have a plan tomorrow to save the match. But saving the match does mean the batsmen have to perform and who knows if Asif can bowl tomorrow or not. They need to use this as a learning thing and be positive because such things will happen again so be prepared

And also as Raz mentioned Malik feels comfortable in asking afridi for advice. T20 cup & series vs SL in uae fro prove to this. Salman butt doesn't even talk on the field. PCB has made a huge blunder by picking butt as vc are we 'might' see afridi named vc for the indian tour (depending on his performance vs SA in odis)

[the Great Khan]

i thought VC wasnt a permanent position anymore? hopefully butt gets dropped from that position for the ODI's and put afridi in there!!..malik and him seem to get along!!...

[aussiecricketer]

Regardless if Pakistan go on to win this game or not. Shahid Afridi got an edge off Dhoni in the last ball of the over. The next ball of the next over and the next ball of his over, the slip was taken out.

There can be no excuse for this. This is club cricket captaincy. I think Malik is a talented batsmen. But in all honesty hes not a captain. Captains need to be attackive. And that move aslong with a lot of others are extremely defensive.

Whatever the outcome of this game, this type of captaincy will lead to a lot of defeats.