Sohail Tanveer

[Inswinger]

Has Sohail Tanveer taken Razzaq's place as our fast bowler/ hard hitting batsman?

Has Sohail Tanveer passed Sami and Rao Iftikhar as Pakistan's 4th fast bowling option? (after Asif, Akhtar, and Gul)

I would love to see this ODI team!!!
(Very unlikely)

Khuram Manzoor/ Salman Butt/ Imran Nazir
Shahid Afridi
Shoiab Malik
Fawad Alam
Adnan Raza
Shahid Yousaf
Kamran Akmal
Sohail Tanveer
Shoaib Akhtar
Umar Gul
Mohammad Asif

[Inswinger]

what do u guys think?

[sehsan]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Has Sohail Tanveer taken Razzaq's place as our fast bowler/ hard hitting batsman? Has Sohail Tanveer passed Sami and Rao Iftikhar as Pakistan's 4th fast bowling option? (after Asif, Akhtar, and Gul) I would love to see this ODI team!!! (Very unlikely) Khuram Manzoor/ Salman Butt/ Imran Nazir Shahid Afridi Shoiab Malik Fawad Alam Adnan Raza Shahid Yousaf Kamran Akmal Sohail Tanveer Shoaib Akhtar Umar Gul Mohammad Asif

I am glad, you will not see atleast in near future,

have u seen these players playing

Fawad Alam
Adnan Raza
Shahid Yousaf

and if not then how can u say they are better then others?

b/w i will like to see fawad in there for now

[Inswinger]

How about a respond to these Qs.

Has Sohail Tanveer taken Razzaq's place as our fast bowler/ hard hitting batsman?

Has Sohail Tanveer passed Sami and Rao Iftikhar as Pakistan's 4th fast bowling option? (after Asif, Akhtar, and Gul)

[sehsan]

Originally Posted by Inswinger How about a respond to these Qs. Has Sohail Tanveer taken Razzaq's place as our fast bowler/ hard hitting batsman? Has Sohail Tanveer passed Sami and Rao Iftikhar as Pakistan's 4th fast bowling option? (after Asif, Akhtar, and Gul)

Not yet. He looks too much of a leg side player to me. I hope he become a better player then he is right now

I have never rate rao as a bowler. Sami is fast so there is no point to compare these 2

[harrybeg]

I'm still in doubt , what number should Tanveer bat at ?

[kablooee87]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Has Sohail Tanveer taken Razzaq's place as our fast bowler/ hard hitting batsman? Has Sohail Tanveer passed Sami and Rao Iftikhar as Pakistan's 4th fast bowling option? (after Asif, Akhtar, and Gul) I would love to see this ODI team!!! (Very unlikely) Khuram Manzoor/ Salman Butt/ Imran Nazir Shahid Afridi Shoiab Malik Fawad Alam Adnan Raza Shahid Yousaf Kamran Akmal Sohail Tanveer Shoaib Akhtar Umar Gul Mohammad Asif

1. What exactly has Mohammad Yousuf done wrong?
2. Younis Khan needs to be in the ODI team.
2. Have you ectually seen Shahid Yousuf and Adnan Raza play?

[Muzy]

yusuf and younis are part of the middle order maytee if you don't have them (well you already know what happend when there was no yusuf - we struggled)

having a young squad that consists of mainly allrounders even in ODI's is not a balanced team - it wont work all the time like it did in a few of the T20's

Tanvir has jus debuted lol and you are asking people if we think he has REPLACED RAZZAQ - no way hosay dude its too early to predict that - Razzaq was one of the best pakistani all rounders we had (hence the word had, but i still thought if he trained hard and played domestic cricket he would have been back)

[Usman Chadda]

Already a better bowler than Razzaq. His hitting ability is not far off either. We need to see him play when the team is not requiring 9-11 RPO. The two tims we have seen him bat, he has been under pressure to score quickly and get the run-rate down

[The Godfather]

i think his batting position should be 8

[Saj]

Has a bit of a Wasim Akramesque batting style doesnt he?

[Muddaser]

Did anyone else notice that he managed to swing the ball into the right hander?

[Majestic_Inzi]

thats 3 tosses saf have won in a row...

Akmal to open with nazir

Hafeez batting at akmal spots..

Tanvir, i hope the pakistan coaches groom this guy, looks like he has marvelous potential...

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by Saj Has a bit of a Wasim Akramesque batting style doesnt he?

His leg side play is definately a bit like Wasim but Wasim was also a very good driver of the ball.

[Karachi]

Near Future

1- Khuram Manzoor (RH Opener / Bowling: Right-arm fast-medium)
2- Shoiab Malik
3- Kamran Akmal (Moving him up in batting order)
4- Mohd Yousef
5- Misbah-ul-Haq / Adan Raza (LH Middle order)
6- Fawad Alam (Slow left-arm orthodox)
7- Shahid Afridi (Legbreak googly)
8- Sohail Tanveer
9- Shoaib Akhtar
10- Umar Gul
11- Mohammad Asif

12- Salman Butt

[harrybeg]

If u say so ...

[sehsan]

Originally Posted by Muddaser Did anyone else notice that he managed to swing the ball into the right hander?

yes i did notice that as well. Good sign neverthless. He looks like more leg sided player to me. He have to improve his game.

[Islamabadi]

love sohail tanveer...now only if we could get rid of Hafeez and play fawad alam instead

[Boi]

Originally Posted by Muddaser Did anyone else notice that he managed to swing the ball into the right hander?

oh his inswinger could be deadly with the angle he bowls from that gcould become a fantastic delivery for him and if he has developed it he can get alot of wicket with that bowl

[161]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan His leg side play is definately a bit like Wasim but Wasim was also a very good driver of the ball.

he's got the makings of a decent ODI all-rounder ...

just needs to work on his control .. he showed good variation coming around the wicket and using slower balls ... but his odd loose delivery killed him.

[161]

Originally Posted by Muddaser Did anyone else notice that he managed to swing the ball into the right hander?

did he .. that's a very positive sign.

if he can develop an inswinger and work on his control .. he is well on his way.


however one point ... i don't like him taking the new ball ...

we need shoaib or sami or asif with the new ball ... tanvir will make a fine first change bowler.

[Inswinger]

With Asif, Akhtar, and Gul in the team Tanveer is the numer 4 bowler. Hes a handy batsman and should be useful at # 8. (i.e Razzaq)

[muhammad saad]

Tanveer has not got the controll and he has to overhaul his bowling action because with this action he is prone injury.

[Boundary View]

The key point is that players like Raza, Manzoor, Shahid Yousaf have not been proven. Hype is a problem with a lot of these players. Remember Irshad? Manzoor Amjad? Tariq Mahmood? The three under 19 bowlers (Jamshed, Anwar, Akhtar)?

We need to wait till these guys walk the talk before we get excited.

[Laboni]

Any news what Razzaq is doing these days? Is he playing domestic cricket or county cricket?

[Sultan Yusuf]

unnecessary hype! Yet again people are focusing on a player's secondary discipline as opposed to his primary. It's all very well that he made 20-odd, but I'm more worried about his bowling. He was pretty ineffective and got taken to school by de villiers (who, let's face it, is not the greatest player in the world. He's just a surprise bowler. Once a batsman gets used to him, he's just a slow medium pacer.

Yet a couple of sixes, a few runs gloss over his bowling. It's a constant cycle with our players. As soon as they show even the remotest aptitude in batting, we only concentrate on that.

Razzak - one of the most skilful bowlers pakistan produced was given more and more responsibility with the bat. He lost interest in bowling and turned into a pie-thrower

Malik - a very good U15 spinner who used to turn it miles. He now has completely given up bowling.

Akmal - started off his international career as a fine keeper. If anyone remembers it was his batting that everyone was worried about. His keeping was second-to-none. But a little aptitude in batting and he becomes opener, 1-down etc etc. His keeping deteriorates alarmingly and in now almost as bad as anything I've ever seen.

Tanveer can go and score a century of 36 balls and I wouldn't give a monkeys. He's first and foremost a bowler and if he cant cut it then he shouldn't waste a bowler's spot.

[muhammad saad]

Same thing has happened to Muhammad Hafeez.

[Muddaser]

Originally Posted by muhammad saad Same thing has happened to Muhammad Hafeez.

Sohail Tanvir has always been regarded as a batting all rounder!

[muhammad saad]

Originally Posted by Muddaser Sohail Tanvir has always been regarded as a batting all rounder!

Yeah I know and I was the first to call him a batting allrounder

[Muddaser]

Originally Posted by muhammad saad Yeah I know and I was the first to call him a batting allrounder

Well whats the problem then, why is he becoming a Mohammad Hafeez?

Hafeez has always been crap, the guy cant cut it with either bat or ball.

Naved fails to mention that Tanvir was our best paceman on show yesterday.

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by Naved unnecessary hype! Yet again people are focusing on a player's secondary discipline as opposed to his primary. It's all very well that he made 20-odd, but I'm more worried about his bowling. He was pretty ineffective and got taken to school by de villiers (who, let's face it, is not the greatest player in the world. He's just a surprise bowler. Once a batsman gets used to him, he's just a slow medium pacer. Yet a couple of sixes, a few runs gloss over his bowling. It's a constant cycle with our players. As soon as they show even the remotest aptitude in batting, we only concentrate on that. Razzak - one of the most skilful bowlers pakistan produced was given more and more responsibility with the bat. He lost interest in bowling and turned into a pie-thrower Malik - a very good U15 spinner who used to turn it miles. He now has completely given up bowling. Akmal - started off his international career as a fine keeper. If anyone remembers it was his batting that everyone was worried about. His keeping was second-to-none. But a little aptitude in batting and he becomes opener, 1-down etc etc. His keeping deteriorates alarmingly and in now almost as bad as anything I've ever seen. Tanveer can go and score a century of 36 balls and I wouldn't give a monkeys. He's first and foremost a bowler and if he cant cut it then he shouldn't waste a bowler's spot.

In a very short 1st class career he has already scored 2 centuries and 5 fifties so quite clearly he is a bit of an all rounder and can be used as a 4th bowler (after Shoaib, Asif and Gul) and a # 7 or 8 batsman.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Muddaser Naved fails to mention that Tanvir was our best paceman on show yesterday.

That's a matter of opinion. And even if he was it wasn't much of an achievement as we were ****** overall.

Gotta look at the bigger picture...

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan In a very short 1st class career he has already scored 2 centuries and 5 fifties so quite clearly he is a bit of an all rounder and can be used as a 4th bowler (after Shoaib, Asif and Gul) and a # 7 or 8 batsman.

Yes but he's coming in at no.9 and taking up a bowler's slot - THAT is what I have a problem with. A so-called batting all-rounder is only useful if he can bat in the top 6. And anyway, why do we need batting all-rounders when we have 3 or 4 already.

If Sohail can be justified as a No.6 batsman. Only then should he be selected.

[Easa]

Too early for me to pass a serious opinion on this guy but I think he could do a job for Pakistan, provided he focuses more on his bowling than batting., We don't need another batting all rounder as we have an abundance of batting all rounders but if he works on his bowling (which is already decent), then he can do a good job for Pakistan.

[Phuzz]

Think its too early to tell how good this guy will be, he has a lot to prove. I think that awkward action has a lot to do with his success so far. We have to see what happens when batsmen get used to it.

[muhammad saad]

Originally Posted by Muddaser Well whats the problem then, why is he becoming a Mohammad Hafeez? Hafeez has always been crap, the guy cant cut it with either bat or ball. Naved fails to mention that Tanvir was our best paceman on show yesterday.

Who said that I calling him that he is becoming a Mohammad Hafeez ,and how you can predict that he is becoming Hafeez on his debut?
I just said that Muhammad Hafeez is also concentrate on secondary attribute like Malik and Kamran and A.Razzaq did.

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by Naved Yes but he's coming in at no.9 and taking up a bowler's slot - THAT is what I have a problem with. A so-called batting all-rounder is only useful if he can bat in the top 6. And anyway, why do we need batting all-rounders when we have 3 or 4 already. If Sohail can be justified as a No.6 batsman. Only then should he be selected.

No need for that. Kamran is good enough to do the job at #6 and after that you can have 2 bowling all rounders( Afridi and Tanveer).

[Kriketer]

He's a very talented batsman with an avg. of 35 in domestic, it shows that he can bat. His hand and eye coordination seems almost perfect. I still believe we lost the 20Twenty final b/c of his wicket...that much high I rate this guy.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by PlanetPakistan No need for that. Kamran is good enough to do the job at #6 and after that you can have 2 bowling all rounders( Afridi and Tanveer).

And so you're proposing we only have 3 specialist bowlers? This is why we have become a joke of a team. For years people have been advocating the inclusion of bowling all-rounders to lengthen the tail

But what is the point of batting all the way down when the match is pretty much over when No.7/8 come in? This is why we have become such a joke.

We need to stop ****** around and take a few risks. If you like Tanvir as your batting all-rounder, then sacrifice Afridi, Malik and Hafeez. If you want Afridi in there then sacrifice the other 3. There simply is no sense in picking even two of them.

[PlanetPakistan]

Originally Posted by Naved And so you're proposing we only have 3 specialist bowlers? This is why we have become a joke of a team. For years people have been advocating the inclusion of bowling all-rounders to lengthen the tail But what is the point of batting all the way down when the match is pretty much over when No.7/8 come in? This is why we have become such a joke. We need to stop ****** around and take a few risks. If you like Tanvir as your batting all-rounder, then sacrifice Afridi, Malik and Hafeez. If you want Afridi in there then sacrifice the other 3. There simply is no sense in picking even two of them.

I don't see anything wrong with that considering one of those bowling all rounder has been PAK's best ODI bowler in the last 3 or 4 years. For now a bowling attack of Akhtar, Asif, Gul, Afridi and Tanvir should do the job and if Tanvir doesn't perform with the ball then we can always replace him with M Sami.

Secondly i don't understand why you aren't willing to accept Malik as a batsman when he has consistently performed at the ODI level since 2004.

[muhammad saad]

Watched him batting yesterday for the first time and to me he just looks like a improved tailender like M.Sami and Rana Naveed. I m wondering is Pak Domestic circuit is that bad that players like him making 4 centuries in one season??
Or may be that was his bad innings but his shots look kinda stupid to me he push every thing towards legside in a stupid looking manner and he doesnt know how to play short ball either.

Can you post some video of his 1st match batting?

[muhammad saad]

And one more thing Albie Morkel batting is far superior than him.

[hassanpp]

well so far his batting has impressed me we should wait a couple of more matches to see how good at batsmen he really is. If there is a sign that he can bat good i think we should slowly push him up the order as what india have done with irfan pathan

[Majestic_Inzi]

Originally Posted by hassanpp well so far his batting has impressed me we should wait a couple of more matches to see how good at batsmen he really is. If there is a sign that he can bat good i think we should slowly push him up the order as what india have done with irfan pathan

To me it looks like he can only hit leg side..

BUt he sure is a talent.. Maybe the coaches can help him. I'd be dissapointed if they discard him...

[deviously~fading~away]

Sohail has no taken Razzaqs spot and i can't believe how you can even say that. Razzi with Afridi proved to be the most dangerous lower order batsmans in pakistan cricket history. Till now what i have seen of sohail is that he can play very attacking shots but he is not the type of player that you would expect to come in & score a quick 40-50 at the death overs. His bowling for me is missing the inswinger which at times makes him to predictable but as far as i know he is trying to develop it so lets hope he does that quickly. Sohail has the ability to be be a very dangerous player but it would take 8-9 months for that to happend, add to that it all depends on how badly he wants to be a great player.

[deviously~fading~away]

Originally Posted by hassanpp well so far his batting has impressed me we should wait a couple of more matches to see how good at batsmen he really is. If there is a sign that he can bat good i think we should slowly push him up the order as what india have done with irfan pathan

and we all know what happend to irfan once that happend. Sohail's primary role is & should be that of a bowler who can bat a bit. And i agree to some of the posters on thsi thread that sohail looks like he can only hit legside.

[Redflair07]

For me, the moment of the 20/20 World Championship was when Tanvir came in to bat with Pakistan doomed in the final against India: he smacked the first ball for six and that's when I thought this guy has the temperament and talent to succeed. It was a great, great moment.

[Savak]

Tanveer would definately be a handful if he can develop his inswinger. I am sure he can improve his batting technique. He looks like he can only hit on the leg side, but i havent seen him bat against spinners as yet. But batting should always be secondary. All allrounders especially fast bowling allrounders should focus on their bowling first and foremost. Batting should only be seen as a bonus.

[harrybeg]

Tanveer is stil in his learning stages , knowing all the experience so we have to be patience and wait for him to get everything settled.

with his leg side bowling batting etc ...

[shahidrazzaq]

Originally Posted by Inswinger Has Sohail Tanveer taken Razzaq's place as our fast bowler/ hard hitting batsman? Has Sohail Tanveer passed Sami and Rao Iftikhar as Pakistan's 4th fast bowling option? (after Asif, Akhtar, and Gul) I would love to see this ODI team!!! (Very unlikely) Khuram Manzoor/ Salman Butt/ Imran Nazir Shahid Afridi Shoiab Malik Fawad Alam Adnan Raza Shahid Yousaf Kamran Akmal Sohail Tanveer Shoaib Akhtar Umar Gul Mohammad Asif

Your right....very unlikely cuz Shoaib's career is at its death.

[Muddaser]

Originally Posted by harrybeg Tanveer is stil in his learning stages , knowing all the experience so we have to be patience and wait for him to get everything settled. with his leg side bowling batting etc ...

Was swinging the ball away from the batsmen(Smith) in the last ODI.

Good to see that he is learning very quickly.

[Wazeeri]

I still rate Najaf Shah more.

[Muddaser]

Originally Posted by Wazeeri I still rate Najaf Shah more.

Najaf cant bat nor field.

Didnt see him swinging the ball either way. The guy falls over in his delivery stride.

[Wazeeri]

Najaf Shah is the same age as Tanvir and has 4 times the wickets. He is more experienced and from what I have seen a better bowler than Tanvir.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Muddaser Najaf cant bat nor field. Didnt see him swinging the ball either way. The guy falls over in his delivery stride.

I'm not too sure that najaf is the answer, but technically his assertion is right. I would prefer an out and out bowler as opposed to a limited bowler who can bat a bit.

We've got to get out of this "all-rounder" mentality.

[Wazeeri]

Najaf is the better bowler and you can consult their respective records for evidence. He is faster, more experienced and can cut the ball better. Tanvir has a natural away swing action but little else.

Both are young and prospects for Pakistan but Najaf gets the nod from me.

[Sultan Yusuf]

Originally Posted by Muddaser I wouldnt say Najaf is a better than Sohail. Just cause hes out and out(Specialist) doesnt necessarily mean he is better. Kallis is an All rounder and Smith is an out and out batsmen. Who's the better batsmen? etc.

That's not a very good example is it? Neither Najaf or Tanvir are at that level.

And it was you who used Tanvir's ability to bat as an edge to him being selected over Najaf, not anyone else. So the sarcasm was clever but ultimately misplaced.

Moreover, I don't know how much you know about bowling, but Tanvir despite everything is still not good enough for international cricket - he is no long term solution. Yes he's deceptive initially, but that's about it. He has been dealt with ease once a batsman's in.

Even if he learns to swing it both ways consistently, he's still too slow to be effective as a swing bowler. If he had impeccable line and length (a la Mcgrath or on a lesser scale Asif and Pollock) you may have a point, but he doesn't.

As I said in my earlier post I don't know if Najaf is the answer, but we do seem to be looking in the wrong direction for an out and out effective bowler by selecting Tanvir.

[Wazeeri]

Wazeeri, like you said, Tanvir has a natural swing action and Najaf doesnt. Thats enough for me to pick him over Najaf. Who cares if Najaf has taken more wickets. He's played more matches so what did you expect. The guy has taken them in our league not to forget.

Why exactly is a natural outswing bowling action better than an action of someone who bowls using an orthodox one?

Outswing is just one weapon in a fast bowlers arsenal. Najaf can swing the ball away from a batsman, any bowler worth his name is able to do so. Tanvir maybe better at it but look at all the other attributes, experience, inswing, seam bowling, PACE?????

Tanvir is not good enough at the moment for the test circuit. Najaf is, his more wickets mean that he knows how to take wickets and has learned more about the art than tanvir at this point in time.

[PlanetPakistan]

Played 4 out 5 games but still not sure where i would place him in the pecking order for the upcoming ODI series.

[muhammad saad]

He simply cannt bat so he is not an allrounder and for a bowler he is no where near International standards.

[Asim2Good]

we need to find a bowler who can bowl in test matches too and we need to find it quickly.

[Saj]

What an amazing story this is....only in Pakistan could this happen.

A couple of months ago nobody had heard of him....not even Mudasser and now here he is bowling so well against India and then being there at the end batting with Afridi to see the team home.

A fairytale story indeed.

[iafzal]

Originally Posted by Saj What an amazing story this is....only in Pakistan could this happen. A couple of months ago nobody had heard of him....not even Mudasser and now here he is bowling so well against India and then being there at the end batting with Afridi to see the team home. A fairytale story indeed.

And he is only 22.
Although not as fairytale as Waseem but who can touch Waseem

[dirk diggler]

Tanvirs contribution with Afridi was instrumental in the victory. Had he gotten out, i doubt the tailenders could've turned over the strike to afridi like tanvir did. a couple of very good boundaries at crucial times to keep up with the run rate too. played with maturity and guts

[The Godfather]

he played well at the end a bit like a razzaq innings

[Saj]

The thing I like about this lad is that he just doesnt look nervous or worried at all. Its as though he's been playing international cricket for years.

With some tweaks here and there, he could be a very useful one day all rounder.

[Inswinger]

Seems a better ODI option than Asif. Just my oppinion